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marinealways24posted 15 years ago
You don't know what happens or where you go after death.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I do know.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Refer to the previous comment I wrote on your philosophical "enlightenment" and "rebirth". You can use those when you logically explain them, then maybe someone will buy them.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Many do understand and one library has ranked my work next to the Bibles.Its not possible for someone who has not died ,seen the light and come back to write on it with such clarity.
  I am not the only one to do so every saint or sage on this planet till date has as well, its called enlightenment in English, satori in Japanese,samadhi in India, Fanaah by sufi mystics, fact of life.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How did I know that was coming. So explain what happens after death since you are so highly ranked. Maybe you are just high.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have before only to be mocked by people such as you but since is my job I will do so again.
  Your inner energy or soul travels in this tunnel towards this point of light at an incredible speed.Then you reach the end of this tunnel and this point of light becomes huge like the sun,the next thing that happens is you go into this light and explode into a limitless light,a light with no beginning and no end, bliss, you are this light, its your source where you have come from and will eventually go back to,god.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why would anyone mock that? It's perfectly logical.
  
  Where does heaven come in?
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why would anyone rank my work with the Bibles?
  
  Its something you need to experience for yourself in order to understand I was an atheist and didnt believe either.
  
  Heaven is this Light or god
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That doesn't explain very much. You would think for an "enlightened" one as you claim to be, there would be more detail.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No one can give you a more detailed and a clearer explanation than this.If you want to know more read some of my poems from my hubs and even more send me an email and I will send you my book.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe because no one typing on here right now is dead.
  
  Amazing that a person can have so many descriptions of something they have seen and all you have is a caveman theory "God is Light" with no explanation.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Meditate gain the experience for yourself and then you will be able to relate with it.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  "Meditate" is not an explanation.
  
  Please provide where you got your idea of God and enlightenment. I'm pretty sure you pulled your ideas from religious text. Enlightenment is finding yourself, no? Explain how you find yourself through religious text when religion does the opposite of teaching a person to find themselves.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Meditation or one pointed concentration is the key,
  But who say there is no fee.?
  
  Day to dawn makes no sense,
  What does we call non sense.
  
  I am enlightened ,its the experience which taught me I was an atheist before that.Yes enlightenment is finding yourself, the self being god the Light, enlightenment is more in light.
  
  Religions inspire man to meditate and find god, I cannot meditate for you.
  
  "When thy eye be single" Jesus Chritianity
  "Seven breaths of one pointed concentration will get one enlightened "Hinduism
  No one can meditate for you.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol You didn't answer my questions. Religions inspire people to be controlled by a belief that makes claims of knowing things they have no clue about.
  
  Yes, enlightenment does have the word "light" in it. Your bulb may be blown. If you were enlightened, shouldn't you be able to find yourself in the dark without light or is light a requirement?
  
  When you meditate, what does God say to you? Does he tell you his name is God when you meditate? What else does he say?
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Again didnt answer the question and rudeness is not required, you asked a question and I am giving you an answer.
  One of names humans have given to describe this divine is light is god,each language has its own name like each has its own word for mother or father.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, I saw that in the bible as well. Do you think this is logical evidence you talked with God during meditation? I appologize for saying your bulb is blown.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have seen you debating intelligently before ,I like that aspect in you, no probs.
  No evidence like the Buddha was mocked by some and asked for proof of his enlightenment to which he said "nature is my witness"
  
  My own parents called me mad when I told them many years back that I got enlightened, my mom told me to go to a mental assylum or jungles and my dad suggested a psychiatrist.This elder aunt of mine understood and told them he is different,you will see with time.Some understood and some did not.
  
  Its not something tangible.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for the compliment, that doesn't get you off the hook though. Explain "nature is my witness" and how you spoke with God during meditation. You are part of nature, can't you put the proof into words? It should be a simple task for something you see so clearly.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not going anywhere. dont worry.
  Nature is alive and not dead like most think.
  
  "This endless expense in front of us all,
  Is as alive as the closet insect to crawl.
  
  The moment you submit to the point of light,
  The word death is no more such a fright.
  
  Infinity you become at once,
  The human form then you trounce.
  
  Thats when you realize everything is alive,
  The wind, the rain even the nectar of the beehive.
  
  Man can communicate with the wind and rain,I have played many times with them, would go to this cemetery near the river very often to be alone and at times it would be pouring and ten feet around me it is totally dry not a drop would fall on me. My friends say I am lucky with the rain, there is no such thing its simple communication.
  
  The fabric of this entire universe is this light, alive and that is you, all is you.
  Ok now please excuse me its 6 am havent slept was working on a project going to sleep with come back later.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I must have missed it, where is the part about what God said during meditation?
  
  An honest opinion, I think you believe you are a enlightened prophet favored by God to spread the word that God is light. I think your belief and faith has taken over your ability to admit not knowing.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Many things ,I get answers to small and big descions.Was told to become a poet and spread his knowledge and to unite all the religions as he is sick and tired of egoistic man cliaming so and so is the greatest and truest prophet and best religion as they are all equally good and lead to him.
  
  I was called mad by my family and friends when I said I gained enlightenment and now I am going to become a poet and work for god.They couldnt understand as I took many years to complete my work and it was a full time job.
  
  Now no one laughs at me any more I keep coming in the Indian newpapers had an article day before yesterday, called the Shakespeare from Pune which is the Oxford of the east and been appreciated by many,ranked by a library next to the Bibles, everyone doent find that amusing .Was ranked by another library in top 10 poetry , 1 in Inspirational and religious poetry, top 10 religious philosophy and top 10 spiritualism.Need to clear out these false assumptions man has of god.I spread the knowledge that god is within everyone and if I can get enlightened so can you.
  
  Its not logically possible for someone to write one book and get ranked with the Bibles , you and most others, however intelligent you are will not be able to,no offense just the truth and I acknowledge my work to god .
  
  Like some of you insist that no one can know what happens when one dies ,none of you can write and get ranked with the Bibles as well.So I can do what you all cannot because of god.Sages from all communities have acknowledged and praised my work, Doctors have told me your poems have a calming effect on patients, some terminally ill patients say they lost their fear of death after reading my work, many are connecting.
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Mohit, with all due respect to your writing abilities, you miss the point entirely. Writing a book and having it ranked highly does not prove you are an enlightened man. You yourself say you are enlightened, fine if that's what you believe. Proving you are enlightened by telling people your poetry is ranked up their with the bible, does not prove you are an enlightened man. In India it is likely to prove that people don't read the bible much.
  
  Many people have seen lights and colors, explosions of great lights and are alive to talk about it, had experiences of bliss in meditations and had messages from and experiences with divine beings. They don't say they are enlightened because of them.
  
  When you continually use your poetry as the proof of your enlightenment, the opposite effect occurs. At the end of the day it only matters to you whether you feel you are enlightened. Having to prove it to everyone else detracts from you passing your experience or self proclaimed status. Enlightenment is a subjective term, not given to you by anyone outside of yourself. No one else can say you are enlightened, it's therefore fruitless to say "I'm enlightened, here is my book of poetry."
  
  If your work is good it should speak for itself, and so let it.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Fine jewels what ever you say.I have said there is no proof for enlightenment and have quoted the Buddha as well so I guess you are missing the point and not me.
  I explained at lenght a passage about what nature is my witness means, please read before jumping to such conclusions.
  I have also mentioned that Jesus couldn't give proof of his enlightenment and was crucified.
  You are either enlightened or you are not, you should have said this to the Buddha not to say he is enlightened and to Zaraushtra and Guru Nanak etc etc.
  If you ever do get enlightened you will say it as well because it becomes truth.
  Then I have also mentioned that literary pundits say a poetry book on god is possible only by the enlightened ones as it is too arduous a task to carry out and a normal human does not posses the intelligence or energy to do this, fight with the literary pundits and not me.
  
  Many have read just one poem from my book and said this guy is enlightened so either you can understand from my work or you cannot.I can read a persons book and come to know straight away whether he is enlightened or not its very simple for me to do so.
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Mohit, we have been down this road before. I said, with respect, that it is fruitless for you to impress upon other people that you are enlightened. To SAY you are an enlightened person does not give you credibility. You are missing the point entirely. I am attempting to pass something to you - that you can tell people all you like that you are enlightened. It is in your actions that you will show people. There is absolutely no point getting defensive as this does not serve you at all. It does however, show a level of insecurity which usually an enlightened one does not portray.
  
  Good for you that you say your book is up there with the bible. It does not prove you are enlightened. Enough of being defensive, Mohit. Personally, any quotes you have stated from your book of poetry does not convince me of your enlightened status. Perhaps one has to be Indian to get it. So be it. But as I said, why do you feel the need to prove it? If one was enlightened he/she has no reason to convince others.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry you don't find it credible you will not find the Buddha,Mahavira ,Zarathustra,Guru Nanank, Kabir ,Tukaram credible as well or many great poet saints who said they gained enlightenment, I find them credible.
  
  This is an international and not Indian library which has ranked my work, sorry.
  
  Now you are not enlightened yet speak of how one should be after enlightenment.Not putting a gun on your head and forcing you to believe.
  
  My actions are devoting many years writing and now I will spend the rest of my life spreading god knowledge.Try writing original lines you claim to be very spiritual,do I tell you dont do that, maybe then you will understand that you cannot.There is a poem I have written called Religions if your master writes better poem I will say I am not enlightened and I am a liar , fine?
  
  Poets are enlightened ones messengers of god and poetry is the tool they use to share their god knowledge.
  
  My work speaks for itself either you can understand or you cannot.Right now you are unable to do so doesn't mean everyone else is as well.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If he can't understand what you're saying Jewels, he will never do.
  I can't believe I have to see this argument over and over again!!
  As I said before pride and arrogance blinds people.
  It's a shame !!
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree. I think it is pretty interesting and ridiculous that a person will deny the perspectives of so many others for what they want to believe. I also think we are partially built on the pride we have. I think the key is to finding a balance. How do you think that balance is found in pride?
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hello I have thousands of fans today if not lakhs, you are the few.
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  skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  We seriously need Hub on logical fallacies like :
  - Appeal to authority
  - Appeal to popularity
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It is most unfortunate that many spiritual students in India have teachers who have totally lost direction. After the time of Sri Aurobindo and the Mother, it became popular to 'become enlightened'. However, there is allot of scamming going on in the 'spiritual industry' that is disgusting. What's abusive is that many innocent minds are led to something that has little integrity and ends up harming the student mentally. Apparently when one goes to India to find a good spiritual master, they have to look under rocks to find them.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You havent understood India and neither are you enlightened , after the time of Aurobindo what a joke, absurd statement.
  
  Some atheists can understand me but some so called advanced spiritual people cannot , what ego.I repeat if your master can write a better poem on religions forget and entire book I will say I am a liar and not enlightened.You are unable to understand an enlightened one through his words he is sure to do so.
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Again you would do well to watch your grammatical errors when writing.
  
  Re India - Not at all an absurd statement. It is a fact that many people disguise themselves as spiritual teachers in India. It is losing its heart which is very sad as it once held integrity.
  
  My teacher has written over 20 books on the subject of esoteric knowledge. Additionally he includes many poems in his books that pass knowledge.
  
  Which is why I question your ethics and have addressed you on several occasions for using sanskrit terms without context in your ramblings on this forum. I for one have never confessed to being enlightened. But it has become apparent that you have no understanding of the term and are the subject of your own delusions.
  
  The fact that you continually need to defend yourself is proof enough that you lack integrity. An enlightened person has no need to, nor a wanting to tell the world he is enlightened. It's just not the way of an enlightened person. You seem to be the only one in the history of spiritual teachers that has to spout this from his soapbox.
  
  Go back to your center mohitmisra. You are not listening to your own teachings, nor have you received enough guidance to deserve the tag you put on yourself.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well said.
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  skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  All i can say is this post is spoiling the game.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It won't.
  He never listens !
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I really dont give a damn about grammatical errors not in a literature class.
  
  So your master does write? Has any of his books been ranked with Bibles, Qurans and Bhagwat Gitas?
  For me one book is enough .
  
  He will then appreciate my poetry as other enlightened ones have, thats all I meant.Each master will work in his own way.
  
  My job is to unite the religions so I show the similarity in their philosophy.
  
  Do you tell your master what to do?
  I am enlightened and will say it, you got a problem with it is not going to stop me from saying it, simple.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If you are truly an enlightened prophet, shouldn't you be able to convince everyone and not just those that want to believe you?
  
  How do you claim to know when others are enlightened when you don't even know the morals of religion? It preaches against pride, I think you missed that part.
  
  Then again, religion has many contradictory morals that a lot of religious "prophets" seem to pick and choose around.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Marine for you someone ranked over the Bibles, Qurans and Bhagwat Gitas is not enlightened then who is? How can someones words be ranked next to the greatest of saints this planet has seen if god is not with him?
  
  It takes a master to understand a master , one needs to be in a similar vibration or else he will call me a fool "Guru Nanak
  
  This is me cant help it. You dont unerstand the prophets as yet, if you did you would not try to belittle them .
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  For starters, explanations would work rather than, "I am highly ranked".
  
  Explain how you are so "knowledgable" of religions and don't understand pride and self-awareness? Isn't meditation supposed to put these in check? I thought you are supposed to humble yourself from your arrogance in meditation to find your "inner self". Am I wrong on these things? I think I have a good idea of the prophets. Whichever ones make the most absolute and believable claims usually gets the most believers.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry, I will try to be respectful, but i'm not buying it. Why would God need you to be a messenger if God is almighty? An almighty person shouldn't need messengers.
  
  If you are supposedly helping people find themselves and God, wouldn't that include forming their own individual belief? I see this contradictory of what you do in your absolute claims. I see you telling people what God is, not giving them an open mind. I think if you make absolute claims, you should give absolute evidence and explanations.
  
  You are trying to reunite all religions? They separated in attempts to individualize trying to be unique from one another, who said they want to unite?
  
  You say your work is completed? Who did you say has an ego? In a life that learns new things everyday, only an egotistical mind would say that their work is completed. I think it is ignorant to be content with knowledge you believe you already have while limiting you from learning new knowledge.
  
  What does God think about your silly bragging of ranking all of the time? He didn't tell you it was egotistical to continually repeat your rating in efforts to gain credibility?
  
  There is a huge difference in helping a person find themselves compared to helping them find what you call God. Dr. Phil helps people find themselves, you have showed me no evidence that you are enlightened over dr. Phil.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Its the way this planet functions and has had many messengers, its required.All is god just explained that to you.
  
  You cannot connect with what I say so you call me arrogant, many do connect with what I say, not forcing anyone.
  
  Find your own evidence how many times do I have to repeat that god is a divine or spiritual light, the spirit is not something tangible it cannot be captured and shown to you.
  
  One needs to be very individual to gain enlightenment,ts a journey you take alone, the prophets are guides you need to walk the path, you say your individual ,not enough,you are just one of the many who hasnt gained god knowledge,no individuality at all, much more individuality is needed.
  
  What is silly about getting ranked so highly and I am supposed to be arrogant wow. You mock me after showing you my rankings, what sort of foolish ego is that?
  
  I was searching for myself and I found god , I was searching for god and I found myself " Buddhists saying. You dont know what the self is be truthful.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol It is really hard to respond to these things you write while trying not to fall out of my chair.
  
  You was searching for yourself and found religion.
  
  I think you are built by rankings. Rankings are materialistic. Do you worship the materialistic during meditation? lol
  
  lol I don't think you want to talk about individuality when you think it is found through prophets. An individual doesn't need prophets and preachers to recognize their individual self. This make sense to you?
  
  Yeah yeah, I know already. God is light. That is not explanatory. That is faith based. Again, if you see something so clear, you should be able to put it into words being as you are a chosen prophet.
  
  I am not the only one on the forums that call you arrogant. Maybe there is some truth in it.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Keep mocking my rankings, chop his head and grow tall is only fooling yourself.
  
  Anyone who comes on a religious forum and calls someone ranked 2 in spiritual and religious books till date arrogant is the arrogant one.You dont have the knowledge , ego cannot handle so I become the arrogant one for having the knowledge and knowing god.
  Tell me what is self and if the prophets were not individual you are? I dont think so.
  
  I am putting it into words but you are not ready, your time will come.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You chop your own head. It's not my fault you are not "enlightened" to see it.
  
  I can't tell you what yourself is, it's not for me to answer as you gladly try to answer for others. That is your prophet duties to tell believers how to find themselves.
  
  I don't think a person finding themselves requires a belief in God. Explain this.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Okay this is no longer intelligent, bye.I have quoted a Buddhist saying but you are not ready to understand.
  I know what the self is you dont that is the reason I answer and you dont.
  Meditation or one pointed concentration is the key, try it, its not easy.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol @ quoted a Buddhist saying. Seriously?
  
  If you know what the self is, explain how pride works on the self.
  
  Maybe you should try conscious meditation where you gain self-awareness to recognize the materalistic unimportance of your rankings to go along with your pride and inflated arrogance.
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  Mina Valentineposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  A Marine? this might explain everything! LOL! However, one would need to Be led to read The Bible and pray for clarification. God always sends an answer. ...."Seek and ye shall find....."knock and the door shall be opened unto you" ....and Mohitmisra? The Bible also says plant the seed and The Lord shall get the increase(u have done ur part, so step back).....The book of Isaiah says state your strong reasons BUT in Proverbs there's also a scripture that says do not argue with....(---)".....a very fine line here. AND I wouldn't call myself religious because 'the world is religious only praying @ thanksgiving, going to church on Easter, Mother's Day, Christmas or New Years OR get this, attending a funeral! hahahaha! I consider myself to have a relationship with The Lord Jesus Christ I am in constant prayer for ppl(everyone and everything). God is not to be mocked NOR blasphemed.
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  utuposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So what do you think happens after the giant tunnell, which can be explained as a lack of oxygen to the brain, Similiar to those that experience out of Body situations, these can be neurological effects through trauma, Maybe maybe not, I don't have the answer, truth is neither do you.
  Medicine and Science is searching for the answers, I believe some of us may not like them when they are discovered. As quite possibly people would prefer to think that they travelled on to greener pastures. I do not know how you could go out on a limb and say you know.
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  Cristaleposted 5 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, there are many studies being done about this topic today. Some people actually have had their heart stop beating, seen and gone to the light, only to return to tell their true story. Many accounts can recall speaking with a man who stated that it was not their time and to return to their bodies.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'll admit it...I think we all admit that....."it comes down to faith" (because we don't 'KNOW')
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks Mikel, I agree.
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  muslima61posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  hello again just looking this time.... heheh
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  Freya Cesareposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Me too.
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  SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have never claimed to know everything. What I know is what has been revealed to me. I can't say what happens immediately after death, but I do know that all will be judged according to their works. Some will inherit eternal life and other will inherit contempt.
  
  People don't look at what faith actually is. They call it blind. Faith is not blind but is based on evidence.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I would like you to explain how you know people will be judged after death.
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  SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus told me Himself.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Are you enlightened as well?
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  SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am a sinner saved by grace through faith not of works, lest any man should boast.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol Don't start writing in tongue and parrables. If you are saved, have you been enlightened? What did Jesus tell you about his judgements after death? Don't quote them from the bible, I want to know what he told you personally.
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  SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How can I explain what God says without using God's Word? I said before that I knwo what I do know and what I don't know I know not.
  
  If you are asking me if I am enlightened like Mohit, the answer is NO.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol Why don't you think you are on the same spiritual level as Mohit? Are you enlightened at all? Wasn't your claimed rebirth of excepting Jesus what you refer to as enlightenment? I want to know something Jesus told you personally, not some scripture you are quoting. Did he only tell you what was written in scripture? How convenient.
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  SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Mohit is enlightened only in his own eyes. He is a braggart and god of his own mind.
  
  We are talking about God who knows all things after all. He knows what worked in the beginning and what will work in the end. Should He change His word just to satisfy you?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think that is what Jesus told you. Final answer? Someone that wants people to believe shouldn't make it so complicated to believe. lol Why are you favored over non believers to believe the God of the bible?
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  SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You asked for an honest response and I gave it. Your not believing it doesn't make it dishonest.
  
  It isn't complicated except in the minds of those who do not really know.
  
  I have never said I was favored. I do ask you this. Would you expect help from someone you do not know before you would your closest friend?
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  (link snipped)
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Just like Jesus.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There are many consciousness level the holy Vedas puts man into some 3,000 categories depending on their conscious levels or awareness levels. Many have an awareness of god since birth some develop it with time.
  
  One doesn't have to be enlightened to have a connection with god,these are evolved souls working for god.
  
  How do you know he doesn't converse with Jesus. Many have claimed this before .
  Many claim different prophets or saints have communicated with them,I have communicated with departed saints as well so I believe Sir Dent does as well
  .I doesnt rule out the possibility, true he doesn't have direct god knowledge something which will help him see the oneness in all things which he lacks today.
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  Twenty One Daysposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  hmm, Mo, you should have a look at my thread: Beyond Consciousness.
  
  "One can see the conflict in approaching Purity, but so it must be. For Purity is not a thing to attain by that parallel, but is a thing already foreseen and is as a fullness of knowledge, lacking nothing, having everything. Thus, by any measure is infinite. As beings of human kind, we are then the expression of purity when we free ourselves from all consciousness; infinite when we disrobe ourselves of the veils of knowledge and accept our true nature, a creation of perfection, a manifestation of purity and one with purity itself."
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  Mina Valentineposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey SirDent? what GOD tells YOU is for YOU and YOU only. God will judge. We were not to be put on this earth to be judge and juror of anyone. Again, there is a fine line here where a person who has not been led to ...."seek HIM....." at least not yet anyways...LOL...we can pray that The Lord will answer AND LEAD folk to but every child/person born is not OF God. That IS first and foremost.
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  In fact the vast majority around the globe are not, and that's quite fortunate. No sane person would like to be associated with your petty condescending jealous idiot with self-esteem problems
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  Loves To Readposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hallelujah to that brother. I love to see people who not only declare their faith in Christ but who will actually stand for Jesus and what he did for ALL MANKIND so that we may have life and have it more abundantly.
  Would anyone of you out there sacrifice your life so your enemies could live a happy and prosperous life?
  Jesus did so we all had the same right to choose eternal life.
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  Twenty One Daysposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  'judgment' is no court room drama.
  'judgment' of purity v. impurity is the answer.
  
  how do we know? just as anything that nears the sun is burned by fire.
  what remains is pure, else is swallowed by the Consuming Fire.
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  Alessia Amnesiaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not sure if you're looking for Christians or what...
  
  But I'll bite.
  
  I consider myself a very religious person, although I am a Wiccan, not a Christian and I will openly admit that I have no idea where you go when you die.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nothing to bite really, I was just looking for honesty. Thanks for answering honestly.
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  kessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There are those who do not know.
  
  But there are those who do and there is much consistency to the stories without each merely repeating the others.
  
  The issue is, most are quite happy believing what suits them, and the truth is of no importance.
  
  But death and darkness and ignorance are synonymous and opposite to life and light knowledge.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What is the consistency of the story of life after death? White light? Very explanatory.
  How does a person find themselves if you say that truth is no importance. Truth is what makes a person. lol
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  kessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Marine if you do not understand the answer, it is better to ask for than to presume it is ridiculous.
  If you had the right answer, them by all means critersize.
  
  But to be ignorant and critersize from that basis is foolish.
  
  Death and life are all around us and they are perceived with the sight of the eye and the sight of the mind.
  
  When one "dies" physically, he is actually merely going back to his origin, which is either death, darkness, nothing.
  
  Or life, light, all things.
  
  Marine ponder first to know and not merely to refute, ignorance too is death.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol I have been "pondering" for quite "awhile". Have you pondered awhile?
  
  I keep seeing empty claims with no explanations, so yeah, i'm left to assume when someone makes empty claims with no explanations. Most often the correct assumptions for claims with no explanations is that they are based on faith without explanation.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Meditate and find out , I did ,kess has got his own realization.
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  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Faith in God is kinda like this...
  You are sitting on the couch when your 6 year old daughter comes into the living room on Christmas Morning.
  You hand her a very pretty wrapped box with a bow and card on it.
  She has faith that you love her and that there is something in the box. She doesn't know what it is ... She just has faith in you that the box is not empty.
  
  But if that box has to go through a couple of middle men?? ;
  Her faith could be greatly decreased when she opens the box.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol These parrables kill me. First, I don't have a daughter, I have a son. Second, middle man or not, whats inside the box will likely not have a God voice when the box is opened. In another words,
  
  Just because there is something in the box doesn't mean it's God. Too many people assume whats in the box before opening it.
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  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The question was why we do not know more about the afterlife.
  You do not seem to have much of an imagination, Does Logic kill Imagination?
  The parable wes spoken such that those with understand about Faith would immediately know what I was talking about while others would not.
  You were argueing wordage instead of looking for the spirit of the statement.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol Ok, so faith there was something in the box, wow. Here is my imagination. Does faith that something in the box mean that there is before you even open it? I agree faith makes you feel better about the chances of having a present in the box, this doesn't make it absolute that there is a present in the box. It relates directly with death as my previous comment. I think you are the one with the lacking imagination.
  
  Relate not knowing whats in the box with not knowing what happens at death. It takes faith to both believe there is something in the box before looking and to believe there is an afterlife before dying.
  
  If you wouldn't attempt to use so many Jesus parrables, it would make things less complicated. Or does using Jesus parrables mean you have an enlightened imagination?
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  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I would not call it a Jesus parable.
  Some people would call this analogy.
  And no I am not claiming anything of myself other than to be a simple man with simple understanding.
  
  Sometimes it takes a simple mind to see the simple answer.
  Why do we look for such complicated answers for simple questions.
  I think that Jesus used his parables in an attempt to show this to the Pharisees, because they were so HIGH minded, he wanted to answer as simply as possible and yet they still didn't get it.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Some would call it an analogy unless the person writing it is a follower of Jesus and has already used parrables multiple times on the forums. Come on. They are pretty much the same anyways.
  
  Maybe they didn't get it because he didn't have the ability to "enlighten" them.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And you havent found god so you assume believers assumptions are foolish and egoistical, why do you want to go to a place filled with such fools?
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  skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry to get in between but if you ask me it is good business opportunity, your faith my business. This is how shops outside temple and church/durga/mosque etc work. This is how politics/religion works. There needs to be product to sell something, faith is one good product.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You dont have to buy.Not forcing you or threating you with any consequences at all.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol You are right, I do think most assumptions are foolish and egotistical. They make claims through faith without explanation or evidence. Are you sure it is me in the place of fools?
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You keep calling me a fool and arrogant and I am supposed to say yes , how can I not be one only ranked with Bibles Qurans and Bhagwat Gitas,have to be a fool no one else can do such a thing, only foolish prophets and saints can.
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  Mina Valentineposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  MARINE.....the example given about faith......and their six yr old daughter....hmmm?......u responded about having a son WHICH was irrelevant to what was said as an example again and while HAVING A BABY or a child is wonderful....(Bless The Lord for children), I feel you have not truly tried to be open minded about what has been said. How do you know what a parable is and how would you know if these ARE Bible quotes IF they haven't given you a scripture OR you haven't read it for yourself?(New King James version for YOU would be an easier read) You must read The Bible. the answers are in there. Instead you lean unto 'man' (humans)FOR answers instead of seeking The Lord.
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  awareposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i have ideas
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  With explanations?
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  connorjposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I went to a place that I could "best" describe as Eden; however, I could not conclude it was Eden. If interested you can read my probable near death experience (NDE) from a website. The URL is:http://www.nderf.org/john_c_probable_nde.htm
  Although there is no quantitative evidence to conclude anything in after-life; perhaps our faith is our greatest catalyst/weapon and our greatest inhibitor is lack of faith. Before my NDE I had little faith. Now I am filled and as you may summize my cup is running over.
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  Davidsonofjesieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  not sure where i am going, but do know where i am not going!
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  Pandoras Boxposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not a religious person. But I believe in life after death. We die. Our bodies rot. This provides building blocks for new life forms. Life after death. It's a cycle, and we're all part of it. Unless you get cremated and spend eternity in a jar.
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  EWSposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think the best way to to answer that question with a question:
  
  a) Why do you ask that in the first place? There has to be something that prompted that question (I assume)
  
  and more importantly
  
  b) If we do not go anywhere when we die, then what is your outlook on "the end." Do we live 70 yrs old, maybe 90 if we ar strong, and then die, and thats it. Thats is a scary outlook
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  Sara Tonynposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Actually I was just following up on what was being discussed. I'm not sure if it really existed on Earth. Of course I'm not a believer in a literal version of the Adam and Eve story so...
  
  I think there's something more after we die cuz I think we're energy that continues taking different shapes and forms. Does that make sense?
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  Dim Flaxenwickposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I can't speak for anyone but myself, but as far as I'm concerned the Bible is God's word.Like a letter from a loving father far away and he tells us at Ecclesiastes chapter 9 verse 5 ....that the dead are concious of nothing at all. Just a nice long sleep till the resurrection.
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  vox vocisposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The sight goes as far as the thought goes!
  A religious person doesn't know but has faith.
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Isn't it possible for you to see beyond your thoughts, and then allow thoughts to fathom what you see? Vision is limitless and only limited by your thoughts. Consciousness is an expandable vehicle. It even reaches beyond what we know as heaven. The universe is an enormous playground of vision.
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  justhumorme167posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why would any religious person admit that? Wouldn't that negate the purpose of faith?
  
  I'm not religious at all, but you are the kind of person that makes non-religious people look as silly as religious people. You don't know how to debate from an intellectual standpoint.
  
  I hate being rude, but since you've been rude to anyone who even attempts to answer your question, I'll be rude, too. You should learn this lesson: do not ask a question if you do not want to get an answer. You are asking for opinions - really, you are asking for a fight.
  
  And this "enlightenment" stuff is incredibly interesting - you keep harping on it. You need to study religions and understand how people who follow those religions think and the terms they use. Many western religions don't use that word, so you are simply confusing people into losing a rather one-sided argument.
  
  And those who try to debate with you about the life after death thing... all I can do is sigh. It's walking into a trap. They will learn.
  
  As for you, you sound like someone who just got in an argument with their religious mother, and decided to come on a forum and rant.
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  Kingfisher7posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Wisdom. Peace to you.
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  L. Andrew Marrposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Of course we don't know...noone can know for certain.
  
  But we can believe. It's the belief which is important to us, not the verification of that belief.
  
  As R.M. Hare said: We all have a blik (certain way of looking at the world) which will never change.
  
  Just because we don't know doesn't mean we will stop believing.
  
  Hope that clears some things up
  
  Luke.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Do you think Jesus ,Buddha, Mahavira and the other prophets and saints didn't know and spoke totally out of blind belief?
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  shiva tattvaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Many saints and yogis have already elaborated on this. Hence there's no ambiguity here.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  there's always ambiguity in beliefs.
  no proofs
  no clues.
  Millions of different interpretations.
  
  Only Faith.
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  Daniel Carterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nope. Don't have a clue. No solid evidence one way or another that I can find. I *sense* there is plenty beyond this life. I only sense it.
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Not quite understanding what response your looking for hon. Please explain.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  An honest religious person that admits they don't know everything they claim or their religion claims. I think the promise of life after death is of religions biggest recruitment tools.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, that's not true.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Alright, why not? Would a Muslim suicide bomber blow himself up without the promise of heaven and virgins?
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you very, very much.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  she wasn't talking to you, nor the topic you're in !
  do you understand English ??
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  skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  In this thread right now i'm experiencing something different. And we have evidence as well that religious people claim something more than what they have.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The prophets have had to face a lot of abuse and ridicule for speaking the truth, they don't need to lie, what do they get for it ,torture and crucification? You think it is fun?
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  skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Fun ? Oh galactus, this is above my head now.
  
  I asked you to prove that you ranked in sales and ranking that's it. No abuse and no torture fun etc. If you're denying your own claims with some funny one-liners then i can't help it. Just give me the stats that you're much better than dan brown and my mouth will be shut.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you for being truthful and saying its beyond your comrehenson.
  Look up my profile its so easy to do that.Dont need to lie to you.
  I like your quality of saying show me proof and I will accept , I have shown many others here including tantrum but even after that they still insist on trying to ridicule me .
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  skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Beyond my comprehension ? read again "above my head". You ranked high with this English comprehension ?
  
  Come on, santa kill me now can't tolerate this "self bais" anymore
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Did you seen my profile you said you will stop once you have seen proof unlike some others.
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  skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes i did. I have seen those links and your ranking on those sites is not as you claim. Did you take screenshot ?
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Tantrum juts put up those rankings how do I post a screen shot will do so right now, I believe you are reasonable.Do guide me now and I will put up a screen shot immediately.
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  skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Download software like shotgenius or hit print screen when you see the sales stats and your raking in comparison to other books. Save the image in jpg/gif format and post it on imageshack dot us site. And post that link on your profile by editing your profile.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you skyfire, the link is at the bottom of my profile page.
  You are being reasonable so i will just post the link hope the moderators understand.
  
  http://find.franklin.com/nav/ca/Spiritu … /ebooks/36
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol this is the same ebook elibrary rankings that I just posted. You base your pride on what the elibrary ranks you?
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  skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Mohit seriously, you need to take screenshot when you rank high. This is part of promotion you didn't think it before you say don't you. Better try publishing from lulu.com and some other publisher where you can get stats and reports. This site is not at all showing ranks of your book, i afraid you need to rank high again to show up in list.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  sorry skyfire I was trying to look up Dans brows Angels and Demons and posted the wrong page have corrected it, posted link in previous post.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  sorry wrong page was looking up where Dan browns books are he was ranked in top 10 till recently
  here is the link
  
  http://find.franklin.com/nav/ca/Spiritu … r/ebooks/0
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol why are you scared to answer my question?
  
  You base your pride on your elibrary book rankings?
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Is it something bad?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes! You created dependency on your ranking and your pride makes you fight and defend anything that disagrees with it. It also makes you blind to other perspectives that go against your ranking. Your ranking is superior in your mind, not everyones mind.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I said it before even if my book was not ranked by any library I am spiritual poet /philosopher by profession.Look at skyfire after showing him proof he no longer tries to mock me, its called decency and using ones intelligence, but you even after showing you will try to find some excuse.
  
  There are other atheist here you had the intelligence to stop mocking me after seeing these rankings, some even congratulated me and today we have and intelligent exchange of views, mutual respect without one trying to belittle the other.They connect with some things I say but you are blocked and refuse to do so.
  If you want to learn empty your cup first.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol After this comment, if there was any before that stopped commenting to you, this will likely get them to return.
  
  I think they stopped commenting to you because it got boring and you don't listen. Not because of your rankings.
  
  When my cup is empty, I don't pretend it has things in it. You are the one that needs to empty his pretend cup.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Look you will never rank my work in top 10 spiritual and religious books but clearly someone is connecting and doing so.
  For once you are speaking the truth by saying you dont have the Knowledge.
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  skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I was never mocking you to begin with to say that i stopped. But stop this self-promotion on each and every religious thread. And you never presented proof for higher ranking, you got pawned badly on that one. I hope you understand that.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I just answer someones question but when I get abused in return I show then look I am qualified in this subject.
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  skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why Dan brown will rank high in Spirituality and religion genre of books ?
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He wrote on Jesus,he Illuminati which was composed of enlightened or illumined minds and Mary Magdeline, the church was against it.
  That is not very important I have seen a reasonable side of yours, are my books rankings good or bad? Dont I have credentials in the topic of spirituality? Is it something to be mocked at?
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  skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  yare yare... what i'm supposed to say to you man. Dan brown is mystery/thriller writer for that book. And that book is not religious.
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  skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I Forgot to answer you few questions. You have reason to write. I just expect you to start writing better(including typos) and take criticism in right direction, i'm saying this cause you are contradicting your own stuff that you preach on forums(that includes your anger/attitude etc. Your poetry is good, keep writing those. And choose better publishing sites next time (one that shows stats).One important point to learn for you is never put personal issues in debate threads,that way you'll only end up being defensive and will think that others are mocking but it was your mistake to put your stuff in front of others for no reason.
  
  I'm Done here on this topic with you let's get back to thread.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I know you are reasonable and not some fanatical atheist and you have proved it,peace my friend.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  and where's the proof ??
  He said he would stop, when you can prove you're ranked above D Brown
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  skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i give up on that one, i'm longer fan of D Brown.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I like Dan Browns books, fascinating mind and superb reads.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Everyone is not the same. Not everyone who believes in God is religious.
  And..you have no such evidence. How can you assert evidence????
  You can't
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  skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Lurk for a while as we are airing it live, if you read this thread you can figure it out that some religious people do claim that they have known more things but they don't in reality.
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  Brian McKinlayposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's not life after death that most concerns me as a Christian, it's this life, here and now--how to live well. That's what Jesus was on about.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Both actually, the first as you say after one is reborn he lives a more complete life and on death he goes back home.
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goldenpathposted 15 years ago
Sure, as a minister I will admit that I do not know for certainty what happens after death. However, because of my long years of study, searching, praying and hoping I have acquired the satisfactory answers to my question. Now, all the answers to my questions portray a magnificent tapestry of life that I cannot deny. I have a deep faith and testimony in those answers but I kid no one. I have not been dead so I cannot paint the picture for anyone. What I can do though is continue to offer answers as I have acquired them. The good thing, though, is that on occasion someone likes and accepts the answers given and become heirs of that same faith.

But to each his/her own.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for an honest answer. I am confused. Do you preach that you don't know what happens after death or do you preach what scripture says of going to heaven?
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  goldenpathposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I mince no words with anyone. I preach faith according to scripture, continued revelation and the knowledge one gains through their faithful service and good works. These all constitute the perpetuation of more knowledge according to worthiness. I can say I know what goes on after death but I can only give you the work that goes on as an outline. Details no one can give but I can give an outline according to the knowledge I have gained.
  
  I know that all this is clear as mud but that is how I can explain my answer to your question.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol, If you contradict yourself, I will pick you apart. I don't think you are being honest. You first claim that you don't know what happens after death and then say "I can say I know what goes on after death but I can only give you the work that goes on as an outline."
  
  Scripture says a person that is saved and accepts God goes to heaven after death. You said earlier that you don't know what happens after death, but you say you still preach what scripture says happens after death.
  
  "Details no one can give but I can give an outline according to the knowledge I have gained."
  
  Please logically explain the knowledge you have gained of life after death along with the outline. I find it faith based that you can have knowledge after death without dying yet. Don't try to use "enlightenment" or "rebirth" on this one either. I am talking about literal death, not philosophical death from which you claim wisdom.
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  goldenpathposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry for any confusion. There is no contradiction. You wanted to know if any religious person will admit that they don't know. I submit to you that anyone has not crossed the valley of death themselves cannot tell in concrete the footpaths trod along the way. That is all I am saying. Now as far as salvation is concerned and the workings of the yet disembodied, yes, I can explain those things. I don't believe I have contradicted anything. Sure, it may sound as such but it really isn't. I have acquired my knowledge through the things I've stated above and I believe it firmly.
  
  We are all individuals. The path to the other side are many and each of us has a varied path according to our deeds, faith and ordination. I think it is in these varied paths that you and I are misunderstanding each other.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Alright, please explain what you know about life after death.
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  Kingfisher7posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  "Scripture says a person that is saved and accepts God goes to heaven after death."
  
  Christian scripture does not say that. Our soul will rest until the end times when His enemies have been put under His foot and satan is cast into the lake of fire. At the resurrection, Judgment Day, when the Book of Life is opened, we will live forever in His Kingdom.
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  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If I am correct in the way that I understand my KJV,
  When a person dies in the Lord, they do go streight to heaven.
  But that is because I believe that the first rescurection has already occured, approx 1114 years ago.
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  caravalhophotoposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I could not have replied to this topic any better. Nobody knows what death is like except those who are dead...so the question is still not understood by me.
  
  I am a Christian with a fear of God, some do not understand why the fear...my answer on that question is because I believe in God and his Word (my interpertation of the Bible-no one elses). I also believe; after death, I do want a life of love and peace, no disease, no war...that is what I want here and "Man" has destroyed that for all, not God.
  
  No matter what your religion, faith or lack of belief, I believe that my beliefs make me a better person because I want for something better after death. I'm not claiming I'm perfect, I have made huge mistakes and have turned my back on God many times, but when I take the time to sit and talk and pray to God...my life always takes a dramatic turn for the better. That is my proof to myself that I want the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost by myside here on Earth and after death.
  
  Like goldenpath said "to each his/her own"
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Is thought or will free if it is based on fear?
  
  If you say everything is mans fault and say man is creation of God, you are saying it is Gods fault. If I raised my child to be evil, he would probably be evil. Why did God raise his children to be evil?
  
  I don't think theres anything wrong with having faith in an afterlife. I think it is possible. The part I think wrong is people telling others what will happen as if they know.
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  caravalhophotoposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It is MY belief and MY want to fear God, because I believe in His word.
  
  God did not start War...Man did. God does not Steal...Man did. God does not Rape or Molest Children...Man did. If you have no faith or belief in Him, how would you not know better...people want to blame God for everything, so for them he doesn't exist...
  
  I take responsibility for my own decisions and I except the consequences to them good or bad...I don't blame God for my decisions,I learn from them. If I was wrong or I hurt somebody, I apologize to that person and try my damdest to make it right...I ask for forgiveness from that person and I forgive myself...
  
  Children are brought into this World innocent, they are taught and molded by their parents and unfortunetly; society. Children aren't born liars, theifs, biggots, raciest-they are taught that as they are growing by the actions of their surroundings...if that is all they are taught, chances are that is what they will be. Who created their surroundings...God? No. Here is a take responsibility for yourself moment, while blaming God is an easy out for some, others (like myself) would look at it as a cop out a way to not take responsibility and make things right.
  
  Whether you believe in God, a higher power or are Spiritual but not religious and even if you have no belief at all...if you are a good person here on Earth...and by the way ALL OF YOU DO live by the Ten Commandments...you may have strayed off now and then, look them up...ya do, it is MY belief YOU will be with God after your time here is over.
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  thevoiceposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  no one knows yet knowing of God Jesus the holy spirit you can feel lost loved ones its like insight into life beyond life. God feels lives in all human life Jesus taught this for all people
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The Ropeposted 15 years ago
I don't know what goes on after death and I've never really understood why this is such an issue. I do completely trust God so whatever happens is perfect. Sounds trite but that's my view.
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  Jane@CMposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  another
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What do you think happens to those that don't believe in a God?
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habeeposted 15 years ago
I echo Rope's thoughts on the matter!
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
OH !!!! NOT AGAIN !!
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  muslima61posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  hahahah... yep and i didnt start this one hehehe
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A Texanposted 15 years ago
I think God is sending me to Nebraska, I haven't been very good.
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  goldenpathposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm in Iowa - that's Purgatory!
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  muslima61posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  hahahaha...... so is Manchester . uk
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  goldenpathposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'll trade you for a week. I've always wanted to see the UK. I'll gladly give up my towering snow drifts.
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  muslima61posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  hahaha your on...... !!! hehehe
  
  manchester great dump of the north hehehe
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  Sufidreamerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There is one good thing about Manchester...
  
  ...at least it's not Birmingham
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  muslima61posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  hahahahahaha 2 great dumps of the north heyyyyyyy hehehe
  
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  muslima61posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  go check my hub about smiling hehehehehe ) )
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  muslima61posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  hahahaha ) not joking its!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  
  no i'm a lady cant say but you can guess.... now Greece .... ooooooooo im jealous ......... hot summers .... be lucky to get one day here lol
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  The Ropeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  : : : : : Sorry I can't stop laughing!
  
  Marinealways - my question back is whose God? (I have very expansive and inclusive views.)
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know, I was referring to your use of the word God.
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  SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  For not being good you are sent to Australia.
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  muslima61posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  oo is it snowing there as well ??
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  SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think it is summer in Austalia. I am in the USA, West Virginia to be exact.
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  muslima61posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ooo okkk im looking for some sunshine, darn horrible british weather summer winter all the same )
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  Sufidreamerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not much better in Greece, at the moment, but it will be summer in a couple of months
  
  I miss my family in the North, sometimes. The weather...not in the slightest
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That must be why there are so many more women in Australia....lol
  
  (7 to 1 ratio isn't it?)
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  SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Could be. Not sure about the ratio.
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So does that mean God is ok with bad people if he sends them to paradise?
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  SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You have to know the history between Tex and Earnest to know what is meant.
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  OK I'll stay out of that loop. Tks SirDent
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am pretty sure that was the last line of Raising Arizona...
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teJQwslU9D4
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  tobey100posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  My God, Nebraska???? What on earth have you been doing?
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  justhumorme167posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol i've been in hell in Erie. I'm moving to Tucson - that should be heaven or at least one of the many heavens some religions describe, right?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I hope so !
  Heaven and Hell are within us.
  Try to live in Heaven
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nice avatar! Are you a girl ?
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cheaptrickposted 15 years ago
Well according to Maven, who has converted me to the Frisbeetarian Church,your soul goes up on the roof and gets Stuck.
And I believe him.
Praise be to the Great Frisbee on the roof.
Amen...
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skyfireposted 15 years ago
Appeal to authority.
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theirishobserver.posted 15 years ago
I have a very simple understanding of God/faith what ever, I could read myself to death but I bother not, I intend doing a hub on my personal experiece once I get of these forums (love them), when I was at my lowest ebb in life and all my friends had abandoned me I reached out to someone/something and I was brought back to start life again....it will make more sense when I write about it in a few minutes....
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am not arguing that there couldn't be an absolute energy or power guiding us and the universe, I think it is possible. I think it is only assuming to title the energy God.
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skyfireposted 15 years ago
How is it possible to unite religions ? I mean in islam there is 1 god, same with Christianity, 33 crore gods in hinduism, 1 god FSM, Million Elohims experimenting in Raelions,santa,galactus and religion list goes on..How can someone in their wildest adsense dreams can unite all religions ? It's like steve jobs promoting SQL server and Microsoft promoting Next Apple OS using Linux operating system.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Good points. To unite all religions would also mean that they would all have to sacrifice some of their control and power over followers to meet at a common ground and belief. Possibly an irrational belief to believe all can be united. Maybe only believed through faith.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Watch me.
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  skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Try all you can, start with typos/grammar in writing before you do that. Just friendly suggestion.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not at all important, dont give it importance.
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  skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There you go, this is where it starts to fall. You want to unite the world without giving importance to language with which you want to communicate with the world ? Is this over confidence or ignorance ? In any case you know what it is if you're close to what they call spiritual. Isn't being perfect in action counts or that is just another adjustment ? If so, you did first adjustment and is going to be barrier towards your world-uniting goal.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  My work is ranked 2 in spiritual and religious books if you want to castrate me for a typing error, you are being very petty.For such a small mistake years of my life and work go for a toss is being childish.
  Would you ridicule the Bible Quran or Bhagwat Gita for a typing or spelling error, any book for that matter?
  The message is more important.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol How about back up your claims with documents that show your rankings to go along with your sales. Also post those nasty feedbacks people left you after purchasing what you wrote.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Again being petty many more positive review than negative but yo will look at the few negative reviews only, which book in the world hasnt got negative reviews as well. yours on the self?
  Juts petty and nothing else.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  As of today, how many copies have you sold in comparison to how many copies of the bible has been sold?
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  skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Petty ? I bet not. You ranked among "spiritual and religious" genre and not among "All-time top Book seller list" right ? You know what i mean. It is business, i can get 10,000 followers in twitter in 2-4 days. Selling religious book is way more easy as delusional people outweighs rational. Try writing something like Harry potter,angles and demons and compete with JK Rowling/dan brown, if you intended to boast on numbers. This boasting of numbers will get you nowhere. Atleast people here will tolerate that as most of us are not book writer.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Since its so easy for you write and get ranked over Bibles Qurans and Bhagwata Gitas so many have till date you can easily do so with your wisdom.Too childish.
  This is me try to understand there is one on this planet who can give you a better explanation about life and god.
  Ranked over Dan Browns books by this library.Ranked 2 do you understand?
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  skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Don't make me laugh by saying you ranked better than dan browns. You know what other than that book store you own and hubpages, people know dan brown more than you.
  
  Lol you're making me laugh. Have you heard about word " cognitive dissonance" ? This is today's lesson for you: read about it and also do search nizkor or google for "Logical fallacies".
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry to dissapoint you but my work is ranked over his books.Have been reclusive recently stepped out, was given the signs to do so.
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  skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Let's try google test:
  Mohit mishra- Results 1 - 10 of about 6,14,000 for Mohit Mishra. (0.30 seconds)
  
  Dan Brown Results 1 - 10 of about 65,700,000 for Dan Brown. (0.13 seconds)
  
  Now tell me in those 6,14,000, how many thousand "Mohit mishra" results you own ? Your book is promoted by how many organic links ? I repeat organic links.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Google search is no criteria for library rankings.
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  skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That was small test for popularity and ranking, ok so let's take it that dan wins that one over you.
  
  Shall we proceed with Amazon and Barnes & Noble ranking test ? That will be fair right ?
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He is more famous than me today I never said he isnt but my work is ranked over his.I enjoy reading his books nice mind.
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  skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Really ? On Amazon or on Bn.com ?
  
  Try searching your name on bn.com,you'll see big list of your books reviews and even on amazon your name gives more relevant results than dan's . So i take that with those typos and ranking/etc dan is inferior over you and your work(+typos)is ranking more is it right ?
  
  This thread is doomed with religious-fantasy writers assumption.
  
  Sorry marinealways24. I'm done proving what i wanted to,rest of people will get that. And I rest my case.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I never said amazon or Barnes and Nobles either.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol Thanks for trying to enlighten the prophet to reality, but he already knows everything. Sorry it was likely for nothing.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I speak the truth, try being truthful.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  Where have I lied at? I try to explain everything I write, you just throw our your faith based comments and tell people to go meditate on it. Where is your book sales and rankings at? You should surely have a link to them.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I dont know would be a good start.Put up these rankings many times look it up, you are not as important as you would like to believe.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol More words of wisdom from the prophet. Rankings of others don't matter to me, they matter to you. You base your pride on them.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Its your pride not mine try being honest and say I dont know.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol Of course I don't know and neither does anyone else who isn't literally dead and typing right now. Your faith has you believe that you do know with no logical evidence or explanations besides your silly rankings.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So you dont know so no one else can ? Not even someone ranked and I have foolish pride .
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So you dont know so no one else can ? Not even someone ranked at 2 in this topic and I have foolish pride .
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Honestly, I think you have an unbalance of pride. Not to say you aren't intelligent, it just impossible to tell because you are so ignorantly and arrogantly blind because of your unbalance.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So you dont know so no one else can ? and I have foolish pride ?.
  Ranked 2 is spirituality is silly?and I am supposed to be arrogant?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm absolutely positive that someone that puts so much importance on his rankings has his documentation of it along with his sales. Where is your documentation?
  
  I will give you credit Mohit, you provide stimulus, but not as a prophet, more as a prop.
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  skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You lack skeptic inside your mind. I only upvote something if i feel that it is worth it. I even ask people who read my writing to critique if there are mistakes. Those who go into "self bias" don't intend to evolve but to stick with their small world. You know now what is my answer to finding error in scripture. Being skeptical i have literally scrutinized scriptures and made remarks which many times in these religious threads ignored by wanna-be preachers.
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  (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Is there some reason why you feel the need to high-jack every single thread with self-promoting gibberish?
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Is there a need for you to try and ridicule me every single time I answer a question?
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Twenty One Daysposted 15 years ago
death has power over you. for you are no longer ruled by the law, instead you are ruled by Grace -Great Grace.

enjoy the day
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  kessposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  if I may...kess
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skyfireposted 15 years ago
Look at this contradiction, in Hinduism preachers say that god is beyond logic and comprehension and on another side they say you need to realize god. See word play ? I guess most of religions do preach something like that( They want to get enlightenment from something that is not comprehensible & beyond logic, some even claim that they realized god, another assumption of theirs is they think prophets are necessary but god can't lower his knees for his creation(busy fellow in recession).
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It seems to me like they are pretty much saying to use faith over logic as you stated with word play. I think most religious preachers know that logic puts/keeps faith in balance. If they had balanced believers, the believers likely wouldn't be dependent on the preachers. I think part of the enlightenment concept that a lot of religious have is simply wanting to have more favoritism over others. Most religious that think they are enlightened seem wanting to spread the message that they are closer to God than those not enlightened.
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  Kingfisher7posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Faith....
  
  When you walk to the edge of all the light you have
  and take that first step into the darkness of the unknown,
  you must believe that one of two things will happen:
  
  There will be something solid for you to stand upon,
  or, you will be taught how to fly
  
  Patrick Overton - The Leaning Tree
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Onusonusposted 15 years ago
I do not know for sure where I will go when I die, but I was planning on getting a nice, comfortable, pine box. Of course not everyone goes to the same place, some people end up on their relatives mantle in an urn, others are buried at sea.
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Jeramiposted 15 years ago
Marinealways said...
Some would call it an analogy unless the person writing it is a follower of Jesus and has already used parrables multiple times on the forums. Come on. They are pretty much the same anyways.

Maybe they didn't get it because he didn't have the ability to "enlighten" them.

Jerami says...
Some people can call it anything that they want to.
This doesn't change what it is. Such a simply stated message that some people can not see truth in it..

When Jesus was doing this "Those" that did not understand were those that God had said that their eyes would be blinded that they NOT SEE.
For had they been able to see prophesy might not have been fulfilled.

I have to go to work in a few minutes; and make a living but will be checking back in later.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol You are pretty much saying that God knew the people wouldn't listen to Jesus, but sent Jesus to them anyways. This is saying that God used his son Jesus as a science experiment to make a point just to fill a prophesy. Sounds pretty silly to me.
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  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  God knew that not everyone would believe Jesus. YES!
  We do not know how many did! It was not an experiment cause he knows the outcome and that the way that he is doin it will yield the maximum product; so to speak.
  to answer another question that I read while reading through the previous posts;
  Human biggest downfall is his arrogance, conceit, and his pride in himself for the things that was given to him or her. These things that we were given to us , we had NO control over so why are we proud?
  If we are pretty, intelligent, strong or mighty, if we have a pretty head of hair (which I do) has nothing to do with our abilities to be this way. So take this pride in your/ our self and wrap it up in Christmas wrapping paper and all that we will have is a ball of wrapping paper. Where ever we are at we can only count it as a blessing.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It can still be an experiment if someone already knows or has a good idea of the outcome.
  
  Why are we proud? Ask the bible. It teaches that believers are favored and should be proud for believing in God. You aren't proud that God made you a human instead of an ant? If you wasn't proud, you may not believe in a God.
  
  When you say our abilities don't matter in furthering ourselves, I disagree. If a person continually works to improve themselves outside of how they are born and what they are born into, their pride and proudness could have been the main motivation that drove them to be a better person and learn new things.
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  skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  this is again assumption and biggest faith-protection plan(insurance plan you can say) from believers that god said this and that, is there any way you can validate god said this ? words in bible are from human and not from god.
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
With something called INTELLIGENCE
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Some are intelligent without pride. That could be as blinding as pride without intelligence.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nobody is intelligent without pride.
  Intelligence makes you proud of yourself in a healthy way. Intelligent people have ,and a lot, but they know it's intelligent to conceal it.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with that as well partially. But I do think so people can/are intelligent without ever discovering they are intelligent. Maybe the most intelligent ones are the ones that have balance of pride and intelligence while getting the closest and most honest to who they truly are.
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Onusonusposted 15 years ago
With my luck, my kids will have me stuffed, and I'll end up in the living room, dressed like Teddy Rosevelt.......
I'll shut up now.
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theirishobserver.posted 15 years ago
As promised I have just done my new hub on this very topic...
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
whatever ! It's too hot for me to think.
we have 37 degrees here !
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol It is pretty "hot" here as well. Where are you from again? GM to you btw.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Buenos Aires, Argentina
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have never been there, but I like the name. lol
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
How can an enlightened prophet can be so CHILDISH !!!
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  skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Moreover some even go by marrying a child...
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tantrumposted 15 years ago

someone in here needs a walking stick for blind people !

Can't believe it's still going on !!!
what arrogance can make of a man ! Wow !
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skyfireposted 15 years ago
I never blame something that doesn't exist. I'm not anti-theist. So i guess this applies to only small percentage of people who hate entity that earlier exist for them but not now.
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skyfireposted 15 years ago
I used to think like Nihilist many times, but these type of people gives me hope that there is some more meaning to Life( and that is humor out of delusion that one rational must enjoy) Thanks santa for this fun
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Still ranked over Dan browns books Who is delusional?
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  skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  Oh please i'll die laughing man. Is there any smiley for ROFL TSNUNAMI. i want that one,..
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  OHHHHHHH please !!!!!!!!
  
  this is too much.those rankings !!!!
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
STOP this childishness , pleasseee !
I can't stop laughing !

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tantrumposted 15 years ago
And here we go again !!
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skyfireposted 15 years ago
Ok let's get back to business, In which Bookstore of internet you rank more ? Which is that most popular bookstore ?

Care to give us graphic of your sales stats and URL of site ?
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Have done so many times look it up.If you are nice I will put it up but like this no way.
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  skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Forget whatever happened so far aren't you spiritualist to forget such foul dance from infidels ? Don't act like child you need to have tolerance for criticism, aren't you with god knowledge? So forget sinners like me.
  
  Just put those stats on your hub profile that will do for me and all those hubber who think dan-brown is better than you.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I havent abused anyone of you while debating right now you all have abused me.
  Marine asked questions and I answered them but since he couldn't relate and neither could you all I got was attitude .
  Marine was rude earlier and he ad sorry and I said no probs, lets continue and intelligent debate.
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  skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Abuse ? Asking for proof of claim is abuse ? I just asked for your stats that's it,i have nothing to ask from you about what you are and what you did in that book. Look at your earlier posts, you're boasting your numbers which are not their in first place. So that is why we're repeatedly asking for stats of your sales and ranking in bookstore on internet.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I said I have posted this many times look it up, look at my profile, was asked not to post links by the hub pages moderators so I am not.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am currently looking at book sales for amazon books in spirituality. What number are you?
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  When did I say amazon sales?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What site do I look the rankings up on?
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  skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Fair enough not here, you can place link on profile which shows stats of sales. Links on your current profile (none are pointing to detailed stats).
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  lol You answered my questions? You are kidding right?
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Mishaposted 15 years ago
He-he, Mo keeps entertaining generations of hubbers
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  it's entertaining me alright !
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It just gets boring eventually, after you ponder awhile
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  Well , after pondering a while I get bored eventually !
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yup and I remember you threatened to get me banned for saying I am enlightened so many time.
  Made friends with atheist like your friend Mark , he is a lot most likely to attain salvation than believers such as you.
  Far more intelligent and truthful than you.
  
  Still loading and taking your cheap shots.
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
Biography of Mohit Misra

Poet/philosopher author of 'Ponder Awhile'
Getting enlightened while sailing in the Merchant Navy has compelled me to write and share the God knowledge I have gained.
Spirituality and Religion-Franklin
http: //find.franklin.com/nav/ca/Spiritual%20%26%20Religion/gr/ebooks/0
1.the Holy Bible -King James Version
2.Ponder Awhile- Mohit.K.Misra
http: //www.amazon.com/Ponder-Awhile-Mohit-K-Misra/dp/1419646729

He's not above the Bible !
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Is ranked 2 something bad?something to laugh about? Ranked over 50 other Bible editons on that library.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  http://groups.google.am/group/uk.philos … efc8a7fe25
  
  Is this a page you made up and put yourself at the top ranking? This is what it looks like.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Rubbish I said a library, look properly.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol The elibrary?
  
  I think I found it. You are talking about an e library ranking? Wow
  
  http://e-library.net/Spirituality.htm
  
  Sorry, I posted the wrong link before.
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
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tantrumposted 15 years ago

this is getting better !!
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
that's not even official.
I'm just showing you don't even know how you're ranked.
If you do, show us !
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How put the link up ten times but since it fall into the category of advertising I cannot as I dont want to break the hub pages rule
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theirishobserver.posted 15 years ago
Compost
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marinealways24posted 15 years ago
Amazing. On the previous link I posted. The other link has a completely different list of rankings. Looks like an inside job to me.

http://www.bestwebbuys.com/Poetry-Inspi … books.html
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Very 'enlightening' !!
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Rankings keep changing was ranked higher than what is shown and its not the library I am talking about.
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  skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So you mean offline local store ? Fine for me. That way i can be a good artist in my city and beat piccaso by miles within my city but in any case stats are stats.
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goldenpathposted 15 years ago
Hello everyone! Well it looks like there have been some lively and useless debate as usual on this thread as in others. I just wanted to drop a note on some productive activity I've been involved with this morning.

This morning I and other leaders took our Young Men youth group and shoveled snow from around and paths to many of our community fire hydrants. This was a very worthy cause. Through their effort and faith they may have helped save a life by making way for a fireman to acquire water to put out a fire that may or may not happen. Because they have done a very noble good deed and have aided in that which was unseen (a possible fire) they have acquired greater faith in their service. This, I and the participants cannot deny. These works are written in their books of life and will be a benefit and evidence for them in the realm of spirits when they have passed on. If continued faithful in works it will help them qualify to come forth in the forward mornings of the Resurrection to dwell upon the Earth with increased responsibility and potential.
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  goldenpathposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  They have cleared about 100 fire hydrants. Coolness!
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why couldn't they clean out around the fire hydrants simply for the feeling of doing a good deed rather than expectation and favoritism of God in heaven?
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  goldenpathposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  They did! That is the reality of all good deeds. Sincerity of deeds is for the love of fellow man and not for recognition from God or destination. As their leader I am overviewing what their service has done for them personally.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  A good deed is a good deed simple.
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
Mohit,
you don't understand English ,I think !
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marinealways24posted 15 years ago
http://e-library.net/Ponder-Awhile__visit3792.html

lol And here is the link you where you are ranked above the bibles. On the elibrary.

Is this the money link that your pride is based on?
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
and i'm giving up on this thread !
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  SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You are not!!!!!!
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  so true.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well, maybe if you come in here, I'll have to stay a bit longer !
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  SirDentposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have been trying to read it all.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why to get your daily kicks by mocking someone believing in god.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What an idiot he believes in god , a higher intelligence,I dont I am so smart?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, I don't think thats how it works. I think it works by people to be honest enough to admit when they don't know things or to at least explain what they claim. You like many other religious seem to have a problem explaining your claims.
  
  An explanation is not: Meditation = God is Light.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Without even trying to meditate you have already decided what I am saying is wrong, no hope for such a person.Many connect with what I say you dont doesnt mean my claims are wrong.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol Hold on enlightened one. Where did I say it was wrong? I said it wasn't an explanation. It seems if you are really a prophet, you should be able to clearly write and explain your ideas without saying, "go meditate". This is not an explanation.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How many times have I said its a very personal experience, direct and not indirect knowledge, given you Buddhas and Jesus example as well haven't I ?
  
  All the prophets and enlightened one have been mocked by some , I am not the first.
  
  What explanation is there for the earth revolving around the sun.
  That we need the sun to live, that we need the breath to live, that we die?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Am I talking to you?
  Sirdent knows perfectly well, what I'm talking about.
  I'm not mocking him.
  you get things wrong all the time !
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  and by the way, I'm an enlightened one ranked 1# on Religion forums
  worship me !!
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  skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  All hail Goddess
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I will try to unite Religions !
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  skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  Oh yeah you need prophet goddess ?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i can do with a couple ! would you like ?
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theirishobserver.posted 15 years ago
Unite that sounds real good
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
I'm going for lunch
Goddesses have to eat too, apart from men
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  skyfireposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Please mercy on Pasta god.
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SirDentposted 15 years ago
I am going to hunt my hip waders. It is getting deep in here.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And, what do you think the non-believer say, when believers begin talking the bible?
  
  Just a thought?
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It takes intelligence to understand the wisdom in the Bible , appreciating the words of a prophet requires intelligence, its a deep connection.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  When I see one, I'll be sure and remember that.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Cannot give you that intelligence it comes from within.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Didn't ask if you could, then again, I don't remember, ever asking you anything for that matter.
  
  So, this is what you do. Invade other people's lives for your own pleasure.
  
  Just in case, you hadn't notice. I have not said a word to you. Because, I choose not to talk to you, a mystic who is full of himself, so much so, he thinks he knows all.
  
  I didn't ask you anything. And, I rather you didn't talk to me in the first place, but I'm sure you'll come back some witty remark as usual.
  
  Either way, I don't care. Have a great whatever?
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Be honest with yourself, I dont know I have never had any experience where god is concerned,try that path.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Man, you don't get it do you? Are you this sad on every day of your life?
  
  You speak of "GOD" as something real. I am honest with myself. I am not pathetic enough or sad enough in my own faith of myself, to have to look to some psychotic entity that needs worship.
  
  Boy are you gullible. Then again, I don't know why I bother with you in the first place. Don't worry, that will stop eventually too.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Again the rude language, too egoistical and not honest to admit you dont have any god knowledge.
  This thread is proof of gods existence f you have any vision, people who are connected to god have joined in .Deborah, goldenpath and Sir Dent have that connection .
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You find my words rude, then it is you who obviously thinks too much of himself and cannot get over himself or his ego.
  
  Psych 101 - philosophy 101
  
  And, like that makes a difference. More people talk about their belief in "GOD" as it is real.
  
  There is NO PROOF "GOD" or THE "GOD" CONCEPT ever existed. And, your supposed enlightenment is nothing more than a ruse to usurp whatever you can gain from it.
  
  I'm done with you.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This is the millionth time I am repeating that it is too personal an experience.Meditate in order to understand.You need to walk the path take the effort there are no short cuts in spirituality.
  I found my own proof no one else showed it to me.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Cant help it if you dont relate with it and I am not forcing you to, so when you ask me a question after replying I get abuse from you its not very nice and is very rude on your path.
  If you are not interested why ask in the first place?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  In other thread ,you said SirDent was a very poor spiritual man.
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  mohitmisraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He has not seen god yet he does have a connection.
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  Loves To Readposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You are so right about the fact that it takes intelligence to read and understand the Holy Bible.
  However the real understanding only comes as it did with the Prophets. when we choose a personal relationship with Christ Himself.
  The more we seek the more he reveals to us.
  Sadly something many will never understand.
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  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The mystery of understanding scripture is where to start our believing. What verses to establish our foundation upon before we believe something elss worthy to be the next truth to add to what we already have.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It takes indoctrination and gullibility to believe any religious tome, as one needs to overlook all the neurosis and psychotic threatening words from "god"
  
  The bible is a pile!
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ThePhoneDetectiveposted 15 years ago
I know where I won't be going after death! To come back to this forum and posting the real answer!

Daytona
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  goldenpathposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Of all the posts on this thread this one is among the most genuine, sincere and real.
  
  Thanks.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Really? And, that means all the rest are not? I am sure all the other people/hubber will appreciate your insight.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  it must be a Mormon point of view
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goldenpathposted 15 years ago
Look beyond your own noses. I meant amidst the back and forth tongue lashing it was a genuine statement.

As far as being a Mormon point of view I stand by my faith regardless of the shackles presented by not only the world but the fatigued within cyberspace. You would not have said it had I been an Episcopalian, Catholic, Buddhist or even a Wiccan. This should give you pause into the stereotypes you build your own minds up with. Mormon or not I have always been polite to you. Show the same respect and leave specific religions out of it. If you are truly that curious as to the specifics of my beliefs just ask. You don't need to splash little cliches with the word "Mormon" attached to it. The more you attack specific individuals the more you downgrade your own view in the eyes of others.

Thanks again for your exchanges.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If on a thread you say :
  
  'Of all the posts on this thread this one is among the most genuine, sincere and real.'
  
  Where a lot of hubbers have been posting their genuine and sincere points of view, it's obvious someone is going to say something about it.
  anyway, why do you get angry? you're belittling everybody, and I only made a joke.
  what's wrong with being a Mormon?
  where's the lack of respect ?
  Show it to me!
  I think it's only in your mind.
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alexandriaruthkposted 15 years ago
do you know whats happening to the mind of a dying person, have you been dead yet?
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Cagsilposted 15 years ago
Hmmm.....?
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awareposted 15 years ago
sure detailed ones to but there ideas not factual
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Are they based on ideas or facts?
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awareposted 15 years ago
ohh and im not religious is that cool?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Very !
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awareposted 15 years ago
after death we first go for a ride in a ambulance to the morgue. then depending on the mode of disposal to the crematorium or funeral home . then you go to a place to be viewed . and cried over or spit on . you get the idea . after death we go places. difference tho is that we don't do the driving.
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  Loves To Readposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You are right in what you believe happens to the mortal body after death. However God tells us in the Bible that the earthly body returns to where it came from. Ashes to ashes dust to dust but the soul lives on forever. We Christians don't care what happens to the flesh as long as we know our soul lives for eternity in the Heavenly realm with God
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