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   qwarkposted 15 years ago

   Israel, Jewish
   Iran, Muslim
   Both believe in the same "god" thing: the "god" thing of Abraham and Moses.
   Which of the 2 nations do you think this "god"thing/"allah thing" will show preference to?
   Pls post your reasons.

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      qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Hahahaha...:-)

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         A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         

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            lyricsingrayposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            

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               (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this

               I'll match your and raise you a

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      de'Arabposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      neither, they are both corrupted places.

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         Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         One thing that people do not think about is that
         "Gods chosen people"    "WAS" that Hebrew Nation that ceased to exist around 135- 138 AD. 
           So the Nation of Israel today is not that same Hebrew Nation that once had God's favor.
          
           Mohamed might have been a true prophet "But" his following split into two totally diffrent sects upon his death.
           And I am not sure how many diffrent sects there are today.
           I believe that there is a true faith, and I think that Islam and Christianity both has a place in it.
            But which sect is it?  This dilemma was created by the Anti Christ.  If ya caint destroy the truth...  bury it in 1000's of interpretations, resulting in 1000's of denominations and sects.
           Right or wrong We have to find our own answers with a personal relationship with whatever God we decide to follow.
           And if we have a pure unselfish heart we will choose the right one.
         
         Now that is free will .. for sure. 
         
           Again.. every diffrent belief system that claims to be teaching the "TRUE" faith as spoken from God can not (can not) be correct. 
             This does not mean that there is not a God.
             This means that people are messed up.
            
           I probably didn't say exactly what I was thinkin. But kinda like that.

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         Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Really? Whatever you say.

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   A Texanposted 15 years ago

   Go spam another site

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   Cagsilposted 15 years ago

   Hey Qwark,
   
   Wrong forum category for your topic.

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   tobey100posted 15 years ago

   Guess I'll have to come down on the side of Israel and the Abraham and Moses thing.  Can't go along with an Allah that proclaims kill all those that do believe the way you do.  I think Allah left the Muslems a little wacked out.

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      earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      The bible is the same, plenty of scripture that says similar.
      
        If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord."  When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through.  (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
      
      Nice!

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         aka-djposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         This sums up your entire bible. It's about all you ever quote.

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            earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            You don't read many of the posts do you? I have used this text from your bible about 3 times, out of hundreds of posts!

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               aka-djposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               No I don't. I have precious little time to do that.
               Sadly though, this one verse keeps popping up time and again from you.
               BTW, it's not from MY Bible. I keep it under lock and key, so yopu couldn't have gotten to it.

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         Hokeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         I'm with him! 

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      Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Good for you.
      
      How's your nose? Wife? Kids?

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      Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Lately the kill ratio between Israel and Palestine has been around 500:1, Palestinians to Israelis.

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   sweet kittenposted 15 years ago

   smile!

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   qwarkposted 15 years ago

   Their problems all boil down, simply, to the fact that both are willing to jeopardize mankind over what?.....a belief in a mythical god thing.
   I have to presume that they are, both, exibiting serious and debilitating mental disorder.
   Their"insanity" may perpetrate the next world war. That war will not be fought with "conventional" weapons!
   Their abject ignorance and lack of "understanding," may take "man" to the brink of extinction.

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      A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Hate speech! Ron, can we get a ruling?

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         Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         OK so far.  Though Tobey should realize that both religions revere Abraham.

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      aka-djposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Except for the "mythical god thing", you absolutely NAILED the rest!
      I am proud of you

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      Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      mythical human thing.

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      Obscurely Diverseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Yep, it is obvious:  The "Muslims" need to drink alcohol and eat swine, as their current restrictions deprive them of happiness...and from many other things - as well as their random, adamant aspects of asininity!   I agree, they have some serious mental issues!  Praise be!  Ha-ha!

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   Twenty One Daysposted 15 years ago

   Both were promised to become great nations and that promise has been kept.
   
   one son Ishma`el born of Hagar, a servant.
   one son Isaac born of Sarah, a wife.
   
   *ps, the sons of Ishma`el settled near Egypt, married Egyptian women and became known as Arabs. The ambiguity (which is actually Isaac translated) is between Arab & Hebrew, not Hebrew and Persian (present day Iraq/Iran).

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      onthewritesideposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      the "gods" of ancient mesopotamia were all from the same "stock".  the word Hebrew stems from the word "Ibri" which itself is a transliteration from the word N'ibri, or N'ipri...meaning someone from the city of N'pr or Nippur.  This was a city of great renown religiously in the middle of the third millenium BCE.  The patron "God" of this city-state was called Nannar, or by the Babylonians, SIN.  Abram's father was a priest of Nippur and a priest of the God SIN.  The Anunnaki gods had many traditions that carried on into the peoples of ancient mesopotamia.  The one most known in this case was the tradition of succession, where it was not the first born son that was the heir apparent, but rather the first born son of a half-sister...which isaac was and ishmael wasn't.  Read Genesis 20:12.  The fact that Ishmael defied this tradition is reminiscent of the denial by Marduk that he was not the heir apparent as first born son to Enki, even though he was not born of Enki's half-sister, Ninmah.

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         earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Always educational, thank you.

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         Twenty One Daysposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         According to Babylonian Talmud, Ishmael was the rightful heir.
         It is disputed because Isaac was born after Ishmael, but from direct Sarah. After Sarah died, Abram married Keturah, from which many Arab tribes stem.
         
         Again, why would the Hebrews have issues with the Persians?
         Their issue is with the Arab nations, the sons of Ishmael who lived opposite Egypt.
         
         And even more, both the tribes of Ishmael and tribes of Israel remain today.
         What is referred to as the occupied territory or 'palestine'.
         These are those tribes.
         
         Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, the southern Caucuses, Pakistan, India have very little to do with it. Perhaps global pressure in these nations is causing problems and a small handful of leaders. But in all reality, Israel has no issue with them, they are in a land and birthright dispute.

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      Deborah Sextonposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      You're right. Definitely not Persian

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   mikelongposted 15 years ago

   I find it interesting how a nation with such a low GDP (Israel) is able to afford the latest, cutting edge military technology...like the drone aircraft they recently acquired that could fly to Iran...carrying "diverse payloads"..(the words from the article I read on this topic)..
   
   Oh yeah....it is the American taxpayers who are subsidizing those costs.....
   
   How could a nation so minescule in terms of economic power and resource wealth gain nuclear weapons?
   
   oh yeah........outside interference again....
   
   When will the West take responsibility for the mess it has "steroided" into today's crisis? 
   
   For being a "brave" people, Americans largely lack the courage to look in the mirror honestly......

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      Sab Ohposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      'Americans' aren't brave enough to agree with you? Is that it?
      
      Courage...

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   mikelongposted 15 years ago

   No one has to agree with me....I didn't come up with the problem...
   
   The facts speak for themselves.....

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      Sab Ohposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      No one has to agree with you... they are just wrong if they don't - is that it?

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    Twenty One Daysposted 15 years ago

    the 'bible' has absolutely "jack sprat" to do with this issue.

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    mikelongposted 15 years ago

    Why don't you answer to what I said Sad, aside from simply perpetuating aimless argumentation.....you're living up to my hub on that topic...
    
    
    How about a real response that requires 1) you sharing your actual views, and 2) demonstrating your knowledge on the subject as opposed to being contrarian to me as a person...

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       Sab Ohposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       My comments addressed exactly what I intended them to.
       
       While we're at it, I notice that when it is someone else they have "views" but when it's you it is 'the truth.' That's interesting.

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    mikelongposted 15 years ago

    Then answer the questions I asked...
    
    How can a relatively poor nation like Israel afford the technologies they do now, from nuclear weapons to advanced military hardware?
    
    Why did the British honor their agreement with the proto-Israelis and not with the Arabs....they made promises to both...
    
    Real answers Sad......

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       Sab Ohposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Israel is not a poor nation. They have the 4th largest GDP in the region, produce high-end electronics specializing in aviation, communications, defense, digital, electronics, electro-optics, imaging, medical, etc. and boast a thriving tourist industry.
       
       And yes, they recieve aid from allies who value them and what they stand for (and where they are standing for it).
       
       Israel is culturally and politically allied with the West and always has been (despite some rocky incidents here and there). Israel has never declared British life, culture, and faith as an evil that must be destroyed and the government of Israel has never bused in thousands of people to burn British flags and call them 'Satan.' Stuff like that strains relations.

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    mikelongposted 15 years ago

    Turkey, Iran, the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia......all have more income than Israel....Mexico is doing better economically speaking than Israel...
    
    Greece has more of an economy than Israel....
    
    
    But Israel is the one with the hookups......30 billion dollars in American "foreign aid"...this is the answer I was looking for, and what you avoided to mention...
    
    Yes, you are right.......Israel is a colony of the West...which is why they receive and others don't......thank you for answering my question...
    
    Now the issue is, why do they receive, and not others.......
    
    Begin with my Sykes-Picot article and then we'll move forward...
    
    Britain built Israel, to the detriment of the Palestinians (whether they are Jewish, Christian, or Muslim)....so, I would not expect Israelis to bite the hands that feed and protect them...
    
    Again...why did the Israelis get special treatment, while the Arab delegations received worse than the cold shoulder?
    
    Riddle me this...

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       Sab Ohposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       "Turkey, Iran, the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia......all have more income than Israel"
       
       Turkey and Iran are technically in another region, and Israel's GDP is greater than that of Saudi Arabia who, like Iran, is economically dependent on one resource (and that doesn't tend to work out too well in the long run, historically).
       
       Israel is NOT a poor nation.

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       Sab Ohposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       "Yes, you are right.......Israel is a colony of the West..."
       
       I didn't say that, so don't attibute it to me. Didn't your professors teach you better than that?

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       Sab Ohposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       "why did the Israelis get special treatment, while the Arab delegations received worse than the cold shoulder?"
       
       
       
       Israel is culturally and politically allied with the West and always has been (despite some rocky incidents here and there). Israel has never declared British life, culture, and faith as an evil that must be destroyed and the government of Israel has never bused in thousands of people to burn British flags and call them 'Satan.' Stuff like that strains relations.

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       Sab Ohposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       "Britain built Israel, to the detriment of the Palestinians"
       
       
       Neighboring muslim countries (and some not-so-neighboring) have done no favors to the Paletinians either. They have done themselves no favors either. The average family there just trying to live and get by has gotten the short end of the stick for too long for too many reasons.

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    mikelongposted 15 years ago

    There were no neighboring Muslim countries then Sad....
    
    Why don't we discuss Lebanon and Jordan? Egypt? Iraq? Iran?
    
    What is the European connection to these?  What imbalances were erected, and what biases have clouded the current public perception of this entire issue?
    
    The Allied Condominium....that is Israel today....and I think it still follows the same purpose as the Sykes-Picot agreement implied.

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    Twenty One Daysposted 15 years ago

    interesting notes on both sides.
    
    
    Even still, the Arab & Hebrew Nations collectively have more global control than any other from natural resources to precious metals to religion.
    
    That said, regarding preemptive strikes. What would either the Israeli's or Arabs gain by doing so? What do they need?
    Oil? nope. Economic Control? nope. Social Territory? nope. Weapons? nope. hmmm. So either group has no reason to strike Persia (Iran/Iraq).
    
    The West & the Brits are most certainly pushing in that direction.

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    calpol25posted 15 years ago

    Hi qwark
    
    Look in my view its like this each to their own, but they are both as bad as each other when it comes to the political side of things.

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    errum fattahposted 15 years ago

    quack! quack! sometimes i like iran cuz of its the islamic but sometimes i dislikes cuz most of people there r shia's which r nearly known as non_muslims cuz they abuse our sahaba's. well, i dont want to say some more.
            <snipped hate speech>

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       Obscurely Diverseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Are you biased?
       Well, at least your current thoughts support population control...  Praise be; ha-ha!

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       Twenty One Daysposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       And still the two brothers war. why?
       Abram is both your Abba.
       Your blood is his and his yours.
       Why do the brothers war against each other and dishonor Abba, themselves, each other and their children's children??

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    earnestshubposted 15 years ago

    Because both their cultures are run by religionists war is the only way they know.
    "My invisible fairy is right!
    "No mine is"
    What a way to run a country!

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