In your opinion, what is a "Religious Nut"

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Greek Oneposted 15 years ago
At what point does faith and the expression of someone's belief in one's religion cross the line and become wacko and Al Quida-esque??
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  When you're ready to die for it.
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  Greek Oneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  what about kill for it?
  what about injure for it?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Some people are ready to kill as well. Some are only martirs.
  One way or the other is foolish to die or kill for an invisible being or abstract idea.
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  Greek Oneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  hmmm... interesting...
  
  how about if I am not willing to kill or injure for that idea, but I am willing to devote my own life to it?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Then you haven't crossed the line.
  You're only boring !
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  Greek Oneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol
  
  how do you know that what i am devoting myself to is boring?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  When I say 'you' I'm being generic
  I don't know what you believe in, and I can't care less.
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  Greek Oneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  why I say "I" I mean the general "I" lol
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well, maybe I'm nuts !
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  All I have to say on that, would be sure that you do have all the facts for which you create a belief. Solely basing your beliefs on faith, isn't proper and can make you deceive yourself.
  
  Just a thought.
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  Greek Oneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  so is a religious nut someone who can't justify their faith by logic?
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  A "religious" nut is someone who cannot recognize that their faith is misplaced in this world.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  'Uncle Sam'...or patriotism?
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Both will likely get you killed? So, Like Tantrum said- when they are willing to die for it.
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  Mamelodyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  when you misunderstand the actual words of God and make up your own rules and laws..
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  donotfearposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  Great answer!!!!!
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  Springboardposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think, to some extent, that simply stating that one becomes a religious nut, or nut anything for that matter, occurs when one is willing to die for it is actually a bit oversimplified. A courageous American soldier is not a nut for being willing to die for his country. Jesus Christ was not a nut for having been willing to die for the sins of His followers and for His religion (and He WAS willing, because I'm certain He knew the consequences for His actions considering the time—He'd have otherwise been less outspoken).
  
  I think the point that one becomes a nut is when one's belief begins to cloud one's best abilty to make sound and rational decision. Hitler was verifiable nut because his beliefs led him to conclude that there were lesser human beings in the ranks, and the world needed to be 'cleansed.' To a degree this is the same logic fueling Al-Qaeda. We are, in their eyes, infidels, unclean, unholy, and therefore we need to be ridded from the world. That makes them a nut.
  
  If a Christian (and I'm not one BTW) decides that he is willing to give up his life for his religion in defense of the common better good, and to arrest the further development of a common threat of evil or bad, he is not a nut at all.
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  rebekahELLEposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think they rather define themselves... their actions in direct opposition to what they preach.
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  Greek Oneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree that hypocracy seems to be a clear sign...
  
  In other words, going to such an extreme in your thoughts, words and deeds to support a belief or position, that in reality you act in ways directly opposite to what you claim to believe in.
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  rebekahELLEposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  exactly.
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Greek:
  Without naming names in this forum...lol
  All "fundamentalists are "religious nuts."
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  donotfearposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  Uh-oh!
  Guess that makes me a religious nut. Actually, interesting you brought up those particular words because that's how Robert Englund described me in an interview he gave.:
  "...a fundamentalist, born-again Christian..."
  Well, guess it's a label I'll live with.
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Donotfear:
  As long as you remain harmless and don't proselytize, I have no problem with what you think.
  As you say, you have to live with it...:-)
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  donotfearposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you qwark. Good point.
  And I say the same to you: "As long as you remain harmless and don't proselytize (your belief/nonbelief nature), I have no problem with what you think. As you say, you have to live with it..."
  As long as there are no direct attacks on me, insults, name-calling, demeaning statements, verbal bashing for what I believe, I can interact in harmony with all. When one is personally attacked, one gets defensive.
  
  I say in general: My faith works for me. If that's what it takes for me to be a better person, let me be.
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Donotfear:
  Wonderful!
  We can agree to disagree with civility!
  ..:-)
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  donotfearposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  Yep.... we opposites must have boundaries or it ends up in personal verbal attacks. I think it's cool to question each other, but in a mature way...not bashing. Meaning no subliminal, passive aggressive statements. You know what I mean. I see it all the time on BOTH sides. I try to remain objective in my answers though it does sting sometimes.
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  Pandoras Boxposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  61 posts on this subject in 2 hours...
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  {In your opinion, what is a "Religious Nut"}
  
  In My Opinion...
  
  Salem Witch hunts
  
  The Spanish Inqusition
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  qwarkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ....and Pope Pius XII standing by his side!
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  RKHenryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Lookie here folks, looks like we have a couple of real winners here today, I tell ya.
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  (Q)posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That point is bolded.
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
Oh hahahaa

When they commit crimes like Al Quaida!

hmmm I think that's spelled wrong by both of us?
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  Greek Oneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  you have to commit crimes to be a nut?
  
  can't you be insane in thought and word.. and in deeds that are not necessarily against the law?
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, actually you cannot.
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  Greek Oneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  so ANYHTING I say and ANYTHING i do is sane, so long as no one else (or myself) is hurt?
  
  Keep in mind I am saying sane, not whether something is legal or moral
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Is it sane? That's a really broad term.
  
  Moral or Legal? Both carry a weight of ethics to live by. Sanity allows you to see them as they are and entitles you to understand.
  
  If you say anything and do anything, that doesn't harm yourself or others, then you are already morally justified, correct and/or legal. It only comes from sane and honest action.
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  Greek Oneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Is the act of judging others a violation of these ethics?
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No. Judging is only based on actions that hurt, harm or help others. A person can judge someone based on those and not be morally wrong. It's only a perspective/perception view. Technically, it's not really a moral right or wrong, because no physical action was taken against. Just a view was created.
  
  Judging others, based on anything other than their actions is futile.
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  donotfearposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  I like what you say h ere Cagsil.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you donotfear. How are you doing today?
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  donotfearposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  Very good....
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
Remember when lust is "conceived" and still not controlled, it leads to the commission of actual sin.
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  Greek Oneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  defined controlled please
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Controlled means not giving into temptation and entering into an adulterous marriage - which is a condemnable sin - when you've been divorced. Just an example.
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
self-control.

Suppose you see a beautiful woman.
Wait--I'm assuming you're a man, right?

If you are, suppose you see a beautiful woman. You're in admiration not just of her beauty, but you'd like to have her physically.
You have a choice, right then, to turn your mind and your eyes to something/someone else that doesn't entice you.
If you don't you'll allow conception of that lust, and you'll begin to dwell on it, maybe even act upon it by approaching her for the wrong reasons...
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livelongerposted 15 years ago
self-control.

Suppose you see a charming man. You're in admiration not just of his charm, but you want to get married to him. But you know that as a divorcee, you have no right to remarry - this is a condemnable sin that Jesus makes no bones about.
You have a choice, right then, to turn your mind and your eyes to something/someone else that doesn't entice you.
If you don't you'll allow conception of that lust, and you'll begin to dwell on it, maybe even act upon it by marrying him for the wrong reasons...
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  Greek Oneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i don't think i will have any problem turning away from a charming man
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ah.
  I see you continue.
  Guess you'll have to crucify me behind my back.
  See you later.
  It will be much more interesting anyway, to see how far you take this while I'm offline.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Baiting? Ridiculous.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Crucify you? Come now, Brenda. I'm just pointing out another example of unrepentant sin. You do a fantastic job of pointing out homosexuality over and over and over again. Doesn't seem fair to harp on one form of unrepentant sin and the punishment that awaits while not pointing out a glaringly obvious form, right?
  
  Besides, it's not as if I'm saying any of this behind your back. You reading and responding to it makes that abundantly clear.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So - what you are saying is that it is OK for you to go against the Word by preaching and having extra marital sex, but not OK for other people to sin?
  
  Did I get that right?
  
  Brenda - sin - OK
  Others - sin - not so much - sez Brenda.
  
  Does this mean that the sin of women preaching and having sex and marriage after breaking your word to God and getting divorced is less of a sin that say - homosexuality?
  
  Is there a grade to sinning I am missing? Where do atheists come on the scale? Are we above or below adulterers and people who break their covenant with God?
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  She's gone. A funny pattern of hers.
  
  She'd rather not face the truth and realize she's a hypocrite.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOL
  
  I am still keen to know where I am on the scale. I guess you guys are well up there, but I thought the only truly unforgivable sin was not believing. She keeps dodging the women preacher thing, but now I know she is divorced, well.... I am not going to let that slide.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  On her scale, everyone's going to Hell...except her. And other white, Dominionist Obama-bashers like her.
  
  She reminds me of this guy:
  http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archiv … ntheon.php
  
  The more they scream about others' sins, the more sinning they're doing themselves.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That is classic.
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If you're serious, Mark, it's my understanding that there really is no "scale" for sin as you so eloquently put it. All sin is abomination and God cannot look upon it (hence the need for agents like messiah and angels). Also, there is NO sin in non-belief. It is worse to be a hypocritical believer than to not believe at all. According to my understanding (which is, admittedly, only human and flawed, I'm sure) now is NOT the time when all things have been revealed and so belief is not necessary at this time. It's also my understanding that we're ALL going to hell, regardless of sin, because "hell" means "grave."
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well - it is kind of you to give me your personal interpretation of this, but I do not recognize the concept of sin.
  
  I was pointing out Brenda's hypocrisy and remembering why I do not do religion or a belief n an invisible super being.
  
  Nevertheless - he that blasphemes against The Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well I understand that, Mark...but how can you blaspheme against something you don't know, believe in, or understand? You might say empty words about the Holy Spirit, but you're incapable of truly blaspheming it simply because you've not experienced it.
  
  God isn't stupid; He understands how difficult it is to believe. That passage is talking specifically to the kind of person who proclaims their belief, then turns their back on the Holy Spirit--that's the true blasphemy. All the passages in the Bible are not meant for everyone. This is the difference between "meat" and "milk".
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  God doesn't exist. That which you have sadly mistaken for a god is something else completely.
  
  You are deluded and this "well you would not understand because you have never experienced god" statement - albeit in this case with different intention - is the root cause of the animosity towards "religious nuts."
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well, you can call it sad and delusional all you want. We've been here before. I'm not trying to force anything on you...you asked a good question and there's my answer. I can't prove that God exists (nor do I want to), and you can convince me he doesn't (and someone with your intelligence probably knows that). I don't really care if you believe in God or not, but it would be nice if you could be respectful enough of my person and my personal beliefs not to be insulting. I feel like I've been pretty respectful of you, even though we disagree.
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  stupid editor is still not working.
  
  that should read "can't convince me he doesn't."
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  donotfearposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  Good point, Spider!
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes - you think you have been respectful and choose to ignore when I point out that the "milk and meat" argument is absolutely insulting.
  
  But then - you are not open enough to understand that so I will not bother explaining.
  
  Let's just leave it at - "I understand something you cannot possibly grasp," shall we?
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Actually...The "meat" and "milk" part wasn't directed to you personally at all. Neither the milk OR the meat is for you, because you are not a believer (and that's fine, which is what I was trying to say before).
  
  The point I was trying to make is that the doctrine regarding blasphemy (which is considered "meat") is for one set of people being spoken to in the Bible. Other things (milk) are for another set of people who follow the Bible. Neither of them pertains to you.
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  donotfearposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  Spider, I understood what you meant here. It's a Christian term 'milk' or 'meat'. Someone who's not familiar with the terms may misunderstand it, though I think Mark understood.
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks
  
  I think Mark understands quite a lot; he's a very smart "evolved ape" LOL (That's a JOKE BTW, Mark--you know I don't believe in such silliness as one species spontaneously becoming another ). I believe he just enjoys being argumentative, along with the fact that he absolutely despises religion...which I can understand.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well much as you may choose to make fun of the fact that you evolved form another ape-like being - that is how it is - sorry. No being created in His image - unless He is an amoeba?
  
  My point is this - and - as I did mention in this case you are not suggesting this but the "do not understand" is actually offensive.
  
  I understand just fine. I evolved - as did you - from another less developed ape-like creature.
  
  But - I would not expect you to be able to grasp that - it is beyond your comprehension. So - as I said - lets just leave it at - "I understand something that you cannot."
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Mark, in all seriousness, I did not mean to offend you.
  
  If we evolved, then why aren't there "new humans" evolving still from 'lesser species'?...Why don't we still see animals becoming sentient?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It takes a long time sweetie pie. Hang around for a few hundred thousand years.
  
  And I am not personally offended - but you can see how that attitude - the "you would not understand" approach could be?
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey! I thought you agreed to stop calling me "sweetie pie" if I stopped calling you "Dude"!
  
  I can see how saying "You WOULD NOT (or COULD NOT) understand" would be insulting...however, saying "You don't currently understand" might be different. I don't understand how economics works right now...but I COULD...you know? One is just a statement of current fact; the other is a statement about one's intelligence and ability. I get that.
  
  If understanding evolution takes so long...how is it YOU understand it...How old are you anyway?? OMG are YOU GOD? No wonder you're so adamant...You're trying to find the faithful.
  
  ETA: Actually...economics might be a bad example. I'm not sure ANYONE understands it, or is capable of it. Maybe I should have said quantum physics or something.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Economics is actually far more complex and very, very simple.
  
  http://video.markpknowles.com/the-money-masters
  
  Supply and demand.
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I can't watch your video
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donotfearposted 15 years ago
Definition of a "religious nut".

Brian David Mitchell : abducted Elizabeth Smart in Utah and held her captive for months as his 'wife'.

Jim Jones : responsible for the suicide deaths of his entire 'flock' in Guyana by using manipulation and brainwashing.

Tony Alamo (aka, Bernie Hoffman): convicted of trafficking minors across the state line for sexual relations. Arrested for this and physical abuse of members of his 'cult'. In prison forever.

These 3 examples are either mentally ill with psychosis or grandiose delusions. I have no compassion on them for what they did. A combination of mental illness and hyper religion can be deadly placing a potential 'victim' in bondage. Defining when a person actually "crossed the line" into a 'religious nut' is fine. These examples are what I consider religious nuts.
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  Greek Oneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  but what is hyper religion?
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  donotfearposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  Hyper religion is sometimes present when a mentally ill person is in a manic state. They have an over-inflated sense of "religious grandiosity" believing they may be 'the annointed one' or 'the messiah'. They may pray inconveniently, constantly, inappropriately in public while using extreme expression through body language. They have a preoccupation with grandiose delusions of a religious nature. Way out of context. For example. I had a client recently who was 'hyper religious'. She was in her room, sitting on her bed with her hands pressed together in prayer constantly, even durring my assessment. Standing up, pressing her hands against the wall looking up. Continually making references to God, the Lord when it was un-necessary, out of context in the conversation. It's not hard to recognize when somebody is actually over the line. This was one sick woman.
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  Disturbiaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What about David Koresh of the Branch Davidians. I'd say he was a religious nut.
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  Pandoras Boxposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  donotfear says: A combination of mental illness and hyper religion.... (causes a religious nut to place) ...a potential 'victim' in bondage. (paraphrased just a little - see above for original, full quote)
  
  That sounds like religion in general. And sooner or later it's deadly.
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Onusonusposted 15 years ago
Did you say religious nut or religious gun nut?
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iantoPFposted 15 years ago
What about me?

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  TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What about you?
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Cagsilposted 15 years ago
Just to let everyone know....HubPages Staff just fixed the problem with the editing function of posts.
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RKHenryposted 15 years ago
Right wing Republicans.
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Faybe Bayposted 15 years ago
It goes on a bolt and has a cross on it.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
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Octavius7posted 15 years ago
Anyone who insists on forcing their religious views on someone else is a religious nut, period.
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RKHenryposted 15 years ago
Jim Jones
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RKHenryposted 15 years ago
Tammy Faye Baker.
Now there's a real winner. Them Christians, sure do know how to pick'em.
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SirDentposted 15 years ago
I am one of them also.
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Disturbiaposted 15 years ago
I guess in my opinion a religious nut would be a hazelnut as they appear to have a tonsure when you look at them directly from above.
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  Greek Oneposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i have never used the word tonsure in a sentence before today
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  Disturbiaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well every day brings new experiences.
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sandra rinckposted 15 years ago
In my opinion, a 'religious nut' is someone who is overly obsessed with anything religious either in favor of, or against.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Of course you are - but that is because you are a religious nut.
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  As are you. Actually, it seems like you are the most religious person on this forum. How does that work out? I dunno. I miss the good ole days when all things said were taken lightly with a good laugh.
  
  Thought I would come back after two months and see if anything has changed. Apparently not but heck, since I am here with nothing better to do today. I thought I would drop a line and see how quickly you would respond.
  
  I was pretty disappointed, it took you about 2 minutes.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Then we agree. You are just as much of a religious nut only you don't understand why.
  
  And this new ability to edit what the other person quoted makes us all look like idiots. Other wise - I ain't never agreeing with a Jesus freak like you. LOL
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOL, that is funny!
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BDazzlerposted 15 years ago
I think a religious nut is a pecan that goes to church all the time.
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOL, does peanut butter count?
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Arthur Fontesposted 15 years ago
Here is a religious nut.

http://www.killsometime.com/videos/3069

LOL
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  McAfee says that that link is bad.
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  Arthur Fontesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0sDv0YHmGY
  
  Here it is on YouTube
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Seen that one. Actually I think I saved it to my favorites too!
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
All religions are nuts!
I don't have a problem with those who don't try to "save me from hell". I never argue with the religious amongst my family and friends.
They understand clearly that I think their belief is bunk, and that if they start ramming it down my throat, I will suggest it is time to see a doctor.
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sandra rinckposted 15 years ago
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  Mamelodyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  no wonder cadbury tastes like heaven.. it was Jesus' fav chocolate too
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