Are you honest enough to challenge your religious beliefs?
Thank you! She certainly does have some interesting theory , many begats genealogy appears to be a little off based on the words of the Bible I can respect her opinions but I do believe there was Mary and Joseph
Sorry AE, I misled you she is a he.
Of course not! That is the best way to keep ignorant. Just deny anything is real that you don't want to know!
You will need to address that question to the Osbourne family
Sheesh.... don't you even know that people from Oz are called Aussis??
What barren part of this earth do you come from?We are not hateful. We are not all gullible either!
Why don't you read and learn? Oh that's right, your bible doesn't allow that does it?Hate is for the religious. I don't do hate.
Wow tk! .... deep!
What? You don't agree with me? I guess you are not "honest"!
What logic ~Why don't you go read the hub and tell me what your profound thoughts are then?
Wow. I've dedicated my entire life to G-d. Now, after discovering those Hub Pages, I'm a total atheist. I owe it all to you, thanks Earnest.
Feel better now?I'd feel a bit more empathy if you had read them and posted a sensible reply!
Sure you have, I just thought that to post, you needed to say something worth reading.
The fundies are a huge problem to world peace. I really do think that the religious feel they are in a corner. In more recent times they have had to back away from so much dogma they are running scared. Demons do not cause disease, we have been to the sky the fairy used to lives in, not a sign!
Well I do not threaten people with eternal damnation for not following the sky fairy, my beliefs don't contain threats of eternal damnation and I don't do hate.
I have religious friends and family as most have who I get on great with, as I do with many believers here.
The bronze aged belief system simply gives me the shitsSome Christians do not believe that there is a place where God eternally tortures people, you know.
Some Christians realize that there is a difference between the truth about God and the hateful mess religions shove down people's throats.
But thank you for the recommendation; I will check the Hubs out.
Thanks for bringing this hubber to my attention Earnest
Some really interesting hubs there, which I'm very eager to read.
On a personal note, I challenge every belief I have over and over to see at what point it falls or if it does. This approach has served me wellMe too. My field of expertise helps me to see how much bad data is out there. In mechanical things logic is a strong tool to run alongside knowledge and intuition.
For example, people pay up to $1200 dollars to service late model cars and "tune" them, when they have almost no serviceable item any more, and the engine management takes care of the tuning itself!
Robbery using peoples ignorance. When I show them and explain it to them, they still go and pay $1200 for a job that should be around $200 including parts and time.
My silly son-inlaw did that with his Lexus. I marked all the service items with an invisible pen, and when he got it back I showed him exactly what he got for 1,200. Nothing but an oil change!
Religion is like that!Except, religion forgets to screw the drain plug back in.
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Try this for a major poke in the eye for the fundies!
Believe your eyes? sure can!
http://hubpages.com/hub/Unintelligent-D … -Evolution
Why am I not surprised that no fundies have anything to say to refute this?
Hi Ernest,
I presume that fundies are believers....but, what does is mean really or rather why is it used?
Thanks
Thanks tantrum for not saying "duh".... I appreciate that.
"Jesus spoke and that was love respect and help one another. That is a pretty good message that all of us could benefit from. 10 commandments seem to be pretty good laws too."
Perfect.I thought the rest of it was pretty good too. Did you read that Tom?
hello earnest its pinky and the brain here ive taken over the world and woundered how you were doing, I see you have upset one or two lol
Hello P&B! Nice to see.
jeez I'm a poet and didn't know it!
I am better now that you are in control!
Yip...it was all good.
I always see the same dumb comments even from intelligent religionists.
It is very difficult to compare blind faith with evidence, but somehow they see it as the same thing. Very strange indeed!
Thanks Ernesthub.....
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0 - Denno66posted 13 years ago0
I think that is called "reality"
Dang! That's the word I was looking for....
I wish i could have been like that some times lol you know how mixed up mine gets me when i talk about it lol
Well you are on target now, and with you in full control of the world we are safe for now!
What will we do tomorrow?
Here we go again.......give it a rest, will ya?
I don't know any parents that are that hands off.
OK, thanks for looking.
I feel sure some believers will have a view on this, and thank you for yours.
I found all of his hubs of interest.I would also have thought the majority of Christians are creationists as they seem dead set against the evidence of evolution. When I look at fossil records, mutations and scientific method I see nothing to support creation, just more proof of evolution.
My background is also in mechanical engineering by the way.The religious forums are full of those who don't believe in evolution or science!
If only that were true!
Masses of empirical evidence, theories tested rigorously by scientific method, psychology, brain chemistry are all fairly believable, testable and challengable.
Science does change it's mind in light of newer information, but none of it is even considered by religionists because it does not promote their indoctrinated belief in an invisible unlikely entity that apparently finds their car keys, cures their ills but hates the poor, starving and underprivileged.
Not one skein of proof in thousands of years, yet it is "the truth"
Religion mocks itself.
They would rather believe in a god who is a no show since the beginning of consciousness
Religious belief reminds me of people who claim the jeweller stole the jewels out of their watch.They are worth about 10c each, but the facts never get in the way of their belief.
I have in my entire life never seen a religionist with a mind open enough to pry a new thought in.
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- philip carey 61posted 13 years ago0
- Twenty One Daysposted 13 years ago0
Thank you pylos, you obviously read the hubs. Most religious followers read nothing that may upset their "beliefs"
I still contend that the reason they post endless threads is best explained by the reality that their sub-conscious will not accept their "truth" so they have to pump it so that they never have to do any self examination, observe scientific method or live in a real world.
I also contend that if any of them upped their access to serotonin their beliefs would vanish when they saw that the source of their belief is a fear of death.
Really simple for me to answer that.
I do not like hate filled bulls**t.
It does not have to be religion either. I believe we are all entitled to denounce lies, hate and fairy tales that cause hurt and damage to others.
The only thing religion "contributes" that is tangible is the sexual abuse of children.So, someone like Mother Teresa (or others who do good works, etc.) are ignoring most of their own doctrine?
Self evidently, yes.
What parts are they basing their good works on, in this "hate filled tome"?
Selective bits of the NT
Could it be that SOME parts are not hate filled? Can one base one's life on those parts, or emphasize them over the other parts?
Sure, I guess they must.
I heard Desmond Tutu speak once. He's another example. The goodness that emanated from that man was palpable.
Agreed.
How does one reconcile that with the "hate filled tome", as you call it, on which he bases his life and works?
I have no idea at all.
Are both of them choosing to embrace certain parts and shelve others? Absolutely!
Is it possible that religion itself is just doctrine, but how one relates to that doctrine can vary from person to person?
No, the doctine leaves no wriggle room at all.
Could the same book(s) cause one to be an intolerant fundamentalist and another to be something quite different, and better?
Not unless they pick bits of doctrine and ignore the rest.
Are they both Christians? How does one define a Christian, anyway? What are the key features?
A belief in the son of the hate filled insane entity of the OT without acknowledgement the evil of it, and the impossible connection as being that god and the "good"son of that despotic entity.
god.
(I agree, by the way, that there is a healthy dose of psychotic hateful God stuff in the Bible, and even more in the Qur'an. My concept of God is not at all that. It's a bit more subtle, more along the lines of the Rabbi Harold Kushner's view.)
But I do go on. Good discussion.
Thank you for the discussion.
A K A} = putting my brain in nutral and waiting to see what floats.
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