So - if those pesky atheists/gnostics/christian kabbalists/agnostics/muslimists/ etc have not driven off the genuine christians - I have a kwestion.
When the rapture comes and you are taken off to be in heaven.....
What happens to your pets?
I saw that someone was offering a service to look after abandoned pets - and...... Well - call me a self serving skeptic if you will but - how much would you be willing to pay to make sure your abandoned pet is properly cared for after the event?
And would you trust an atheist to look after it?
I have a far higher regard for most animals than I do Kristians, so can promise to find it a loving home.
What would this peace of mind be worth to you - say as a yearly insurance fee?
An buddy of mine sent me a link to that site, I thought it was a joke. Turns out they were serious.
Since I believe in a post-tribulation rapture, and maybe/maybe not necessarily a literal one ... I'm not too worried about my pets.
Of course, I don't currently own any pets ... Just in case, you know
Most Christians don't even believe there will be an actual rapture, so stop lumping us all in with a 19th century American movement.
ohh heck. I'll bite. I'm just the sort mark is looking for---> more traditional that is. The answeres are in the book, not the "left behind" movies that this question seems to stem from.
The events in order.
1. the seven plagues will wipe out most of the population.
2. the plagues will kill nearly every animal living on earth.
3. Jesus will return, but never touch the earth.
4. All wicked will die in his presense. remaining animals die now as well. All that live now are the 144K that are saved. Could be litteral number, but it is prophetic and could be much higher.(nobody knows the real answere to this and I have studied it greatly... so please don't try to convince me of your version. I'd rather wait and see)
5. The dead in Christ will rise. (those in the grave)
6. The wicked dead remain dead in the grave or on the ground.
7. Those risen from the grave will meet with Christ
8. The few saved that survived the rapture meet with Christ
9. The wicked that are dead stay on earth(1k years prophetic) to rise once more...their judgement.
10. The wicked raise from the grave.
11. The new Jerusalem is placed on earth.
12. The wicked rally a final war against Christ and the saved.
13. The wicked are destroyed to an utter end by fire; consumed and dead as if they never existed.
This simple picture that I just painted can be pulled right from the bible. And to answere the question about the animals- well the bible never says what happens to them. Jesus said that every breathing animal has a soul. I'm sure their end fate will be surprisingly pleasant.
you mean...dogs don't go to Heaven?
'k, dat is scandalous
Dogs go to heaven!
Now, cats, they gotta stay down here with Mark and the nasty blended scotch whiskey.
hey now...wait a minute...I think I want to be where da cats go. I am willing to tolerate dem for some good scotch
Good single malt scotch is in heaven ...
Since the question has come up ... if I may interject for those who happen to believe the bible (for those who don't just put up with me for a minute or two, thanks!)
It's my interpretation that the bible says animals (dogs, and yes even cats!) go to heaven...
I base this on my interpretation of the following verse:
Revelation 5:13: And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne ...
It looks to me like the animals are praising the Creator in this verse.
So, sorry Mark, I'm not buying your rapture insurance for my pets. Except I don't have any. But if I did I wouldn't. 'cuz they're coming with!
Not only is your concept of the "rapture" off,
but no I wouldn't trust you to look after a rock, much less a pet.
Why don't you write a book about making money in the tribulation?
Many silly misguided people would probably buy it right now; you can be sittin' high and mighty on the stupidity of people, like Obama is!
Nice Christian response.
I guess your other cheek got slapped one too many times, eh?
Perhaps. Maybe by the mercenary type you're defending.
Some people see dollar signs in everything, just waiting to swoop in and grab whatever they can at someone else's expense.
My concept? I have never heard anything so ridiculous in my life, well.... except for everything you say.
Interesting that you have such a low opinion of my caring abilities though. Wouldn't trust me to look after a rock huh? I will have you know I have several pet rocks and some of them are not dead yet.
And while you are here being educated, may I recommend the concept known as a "joke"? It is what non-religious people do to while away the time and make waiting around to die more fun, instead of pointing accusing fingers at the sinners.
I understand Jesus liked a good joke every now and then.
You "have several pet rocks and some of them aren't dead yet"!
haha now THAT's a funny joke! I like it!
Yes even I have a sense of humor. Lots more times than I'm given credit for around here, for sure. But yeah I do.
It's rather good to see that you do too.
I do appreciate you being a bit kinder than usual in your reply, too. And am wondering if it's 'cause it's "your" thread.
Not holdin' my breath on a recurrence, of course....
Dear me - you do have a low opinion of me don't you? And all because I believe in love and tolerance. How odd.
Sure - you should expect a "kind" response for telling me you wouldn't trust me to look after a rock.
Great job on hiding the sense of humor though. I am fooled totally. Just so you know - if you have to tell people you have a sense of humor.........
sheesh! YOU had to tell ME you had a sense of humor! So what's the difference?
I'm tired of scrolling for now!
Gonna go have a snack. The talk of BBQ made me hungry!
Now ... if you're talking about a Chicago Style dog ... that's something completely different ... there was this place on Jackson or Monroe, a couple of blocks west of Michigan right off the loop .... don't remember the name, it was like 1986 or 87 ... had the best hot dogs in Chicago.
Yeah, the BBQ dog has more flavor than the "cat on a stick" that is often served at local Chinese restaurants, but the oriental stir-fry has a better balance of domestic animals - when it comes to random protein sources.
I believe two pets are allowed on the trip as long as they are carried on board.
Well presented. I don't have pets. I have exes. I assume from their dialog that I will be left behind with you to look after the kinder creatures of the earth. As for others, I await their responses...
I will sign you up as a "carer" immediately.
BDazzler - there is more than one kind of rapture? Dear me. Try as I might - I can find no such thing in the good bok.
The idea of the rapture comes from 1 Thes 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
The term "rapture" is from a Latin word used in the Vulgate for the phrase "caught up".
The question is when does this occur. I believe this question is open to interpretation.
The idea of a "pre-tribulation" rapture was introduced or popularized in the late 1800s or early 1900s (I'm doing this off the top of my head, so dates may be off) and became popular among evangelicals.
caught up together with them in the clouds translates to glorified, as in cloud by day, cloud of witnesses.
i don't think it points to an collective event..
You may be correct. I think that eschatological scriptures are among the most easily mis-interpreted, and that's why there's such a huge divergence of opinions on what they mean.
They are often based on conclusions from deductions from interpretations of translations ... which leaves a lot of room for error in my mind.
I'm one of the smartest people I know, and I can't figure it out well enough to take responsibility for teaching it!
If you are taken, you still have to make your alimony payments.
No - I am just worried about the abandoned pets. I mean - if Jesus does come back to whisk off the righteous - that will be an awful lot of pets
I will organize to take care of them. Daniel has already offered to be a "carer" and any fool can see he is a nice guy. Plus - I will make some money on the side.
You can't take it with you.
I wont be going so i guess I am a pet keeper as well.
Well someone has to keep the RSPCA in business
Then we flip a coin to see who gets the nice ones.
we could share that would be the Kristian thing to do.
No, I think we can determine an equitable solution without pretending to be religious. Besides the boss (Mark) is a hardnosed smart arse. We can't lose our jobs on the first day! There may not be a lot else to do beside poop scooping and between you and me, I think I'd rather save that for the religious nuts who didn't make the jump to light speed.
As principle fool (aka: "nice guy") in your operation, you'll need to be prepared that I charge a hefty fee plus perks and backend bonuses. There is a reason I won't make the rapture.
Well, according to one faith, we're supposed to be reincarnated as pets ourselves....so, maybe...we could all give each other company....!
That is an interesting question, but, only a smart televangelist will give you a money answer, as in how much is your pet's true salvation worth to you? As some televangelists are selling rapture kits to prepare you if you are not saved. $250.00!
That really tells you that if there is a rapture, these crooks are going to be lavishing themselves with all kinds of stuff from the money they will get up until a rapture occurs. It's just a bunch of BS. If there is a rapture as described in the bible, why would anyone need a kit? And, who would be stupid enough to buy one? It's like being at ground zero just before the bomb drops, and some idiot is trying to sell you water and life insurance.
There is always some con going on.
BTW according the the BAV (That's the BDazzler Authorized Version) of the bible, the pets and Single Barrel Jack are coming with, and y'all are getting stuck with nasty critters like viruses and nasty blended scotch and Evan Williams.
See- that is my definition of hell right there. Evan Williams?
Yeah, nastiest whiskey I ever had the misfortune of tasting.
I've been a fan of the Toronto Raptures since they started playing in the NBA. I'm not sure about their pets, but the players start disappearing around playoff time.
and what happens if they catch up the wrong person (someone like me, for instance) and bring them up into the rapture and then have to evict them for being ripe old sinners - do they just get dropped back anywhere? will they be put back in their homes? and then what? will there be "after-rapture ptsd" for the unacceptable ones? or do those kind of mistakes happen? oh, you have made me think of so many more queschings!
you'll have to go into the doggie daycare business, and expand it to cats, turtles, birds, hamsters.. lions, tigerssss and bears, oh my!
The rapture is the gathering of the saved to meet up with Jesus, both dead and alive. Are you wondering how to survive the plagues and be one of the 144K(prophetic). Those people witness the final events including the plagues. I don't know if all of the saved alive at the start of the plagues will survive. Guess time will tell.
I'm off. Peace to all, Sooner.
Mega1- I hope I answered your question. if not, I will try later.
Mark... you seem to be able to pinpoint those parts that christians are in error for believing.
There is a bug in the water! You spotted it !
do ya through out the baby with the wash cause there is a bug in the water????? Yea I guess ya do !
Mark, of all people I would entrust you to look after our 3 Cocker Spaniels, 5 Cockatiels and 1 Dove I know that you would give them plenty of TLC.
Well I am staying with the animals, so much nicer than being stuck with a load of people who willingly left their pets behind!!! My guess is that even Jesus will agree after a donkey was nice enough to carry him and Oxen, sheep etc were there at his birth, but people apparently nailed him to a cross and his followers didn't try and step in and rescue him. I reckon he needed a good pack of dogs behind him who would have defended him to the death
Since the question was directed towards genuine Christians such as myself, I'll go ahead and answer in loving meekness, that there is no way in Hell I would take the chance of leaving my pets to be exposed to such athestic propaganda. I would rather my dog and/or cat die a martyr's death than take the chance.
Signed, your brother in Christ.
I assume the only way that your pet could die a martyr is to murder it.
I think you may be painting yourself in a corner by what you said.
Ohma and I would be willing to rescue your death threatened pet, if we knew where it is....
This is, of course, a topic of serious debate among the various denominations... Consider these two churches across the street from each other ...
Wait. These guys HAVE to be in the religion forums already, don't they!!
This is way too much fun!
All cases dismissed regarding religion. These signs speak for themselves!
I'm taking my two Danes with me. The cats can fend for themselves! They're mostly feral, anyway, so I'd never be able to catch 'em.
My canine furkids are kinder and more compassionate than most humans I know.
When the rapture comes, my skin is going to be glistening with sweat and I'm going to be panting hard and heavy.
After the rapture comes, I'm going to roll over, exhausted, and sleep for about six hours... and nobody better wake me up either.
What about children who haven't converted? I don't see anyone offering to take care of the kids.
And what's with these parents? Going on rapture vacation and leaving the children in the hands of the sodomite baby killers????
That's what it takes?
I'm staying home!
Mark, I'll be over with the BBQ sauce after the rapture. You still plan on taking care of pets in year R+1? Right?
R+1 is the first year after the rapture.
I was actually thinking more along the line of a cat. You know, pus....
but that's actually more realistic, more likely to happen during the tribulation.....if the tribulation were real....
Jesus is not to come again physically. To know as to what it means by rapture, please google <Jesus 1835-1908>
Did he text you that He has been indefinitely delayed?
Jesus is out of gas money; more donations please... Damn, how much money does this guy need!!! Ha-ha!
A person who had died a natural and peaceful death like Jesus , who died in India; that person cannot come again; only another person like him can come. Jesus himslef explained to the Jews the meaning of Elijah's second coming. So Jesus' second coming is only to set right the religion called "Christianity"; this is being done very nicely by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908.
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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