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paarsurreyposted 14 years ago
Hi friends

Jesus was flesh and bones like any human being; he was no god or son of god.

The Bible does not mention from where he got bones; it mentions of flesh only. Flesh is a weak substance; not fit for a god. Is it not true?

He himself said he was Son of Man; being a weak person like all of us. What has God to do with weakness?

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  SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  what has God to do with weakness ?
  
  A lot!
  Look at yourself!
  
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  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend tantrum
  
  You are right; I am a weak person.
  
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  God is omnipresent meaning present in all things including every human ans so all humans are the sons and daughters of god.
  
  Jesus was an enlightened one someone who has fused with the Divine Light (Allah ,Jevovah, Brahma).
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  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend mohitmisra
  
  You mean it is not literal or physical but symbolic or spiritual. I agree with you.
  
  Do I get it correctly?
  
  I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran
  
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yahshua was flesh, blood and, bone. However like all of us, he was the Temple of God. God dwelled in him and Yahshua realized this. He knew he had the calling to bring God to mankind (The Father is in all of mankind and in everything, however many did not know this) He focused on the Father and came to cause us to look up and see God. He taught by action and teaching that, even we who are in the flesh can realize God in us too. He taught we could overcome the flesh. By this he meant such things as: Ego, Lack, Disease, Unhappiness and what the Christians call sin..(which is actually the lack of faith).
  By being upright and seeking God's righteousness he became the son of God.
  Christ taught that we can also become the sons of God.
  When Christ was able to make it to the end without sin he overcame death and ascended to God the Father. He was given a place on the right hand of God which signifies divine power.
  
  Though Christ was a man on earth. He pleased the Father and once he ascended to the Father, he became divine.
  
  Though he humbled himself as a servant, he was not weak. Showing love without ego certainly shows a strong, not weak person.
  He did have the capability of sinning but didn't.
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  lostdogrwdposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  yes Jesus was a man. he was God words turn flesh. and is not the words of God God? the same God who spoke to bring in the sun and the worlds and man.love is not weakness. to the evil man love is a weekness. For God so love the world that he gave his only son to save man if man wanted to be save and only God in the form of man can save man with his blood for Jesus was with sin and only God can save the world. no man can do that. Allah, the All, the Cerator, in many nation he still God. read the from God and not from youself. seem hard but, ask God for help and you will get it
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  lostdogrwdposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  without sin
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aka-djposted 14 years ago
If you are always trying to get to the "truth", maybe you should go and actually READ the New Testament, and then post something worth discussing.

It's perfectly clear you are ill informed on just about every Biblical topic you have so far tackled.
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  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend aka-dj
  
  I have read the Catholic Bible (OT&NT)from cover to cover and also the Protestant Bible(OT&NT) from cover to cover. I started from Genesis and finished at Revelation; I know this is not what the Christians do ; they would first finish the NT and then they would read the OT; so the Christians read it upside down and hence their understanding. Sorry to state that.
  
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus says I tell you you are all gods and the kingdom of god is within you.
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  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend mohitmisra
  
  So what do you understand from it? Please elaborate for us.
  
  I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran
  
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hi paarsurrey,
  
  The divine light is god our source ,we all come from and go back to it.
  
  Meditation is the key. The great prophet Muhammad would meditate in a cave regularly when he had his spiritual experience, unfortunately we don't know what sort of meditation he was doing and whether he came across god or an angel.
  
  Jesus "when the eye be single "is when you can enter the kingdom of god.
  
  This means one pointed concentration or meditation.
  
  Patanjali the founder of Yoga" seven breaths of one pointed concentration will get one enlightened" basically merge with the light or god.
  
  Three stages in life man then god- man and then on death god.
  
  "Unto Allah is your return and he is able to do all things" The Holy Quran
  
  "I am thy shield and they exceedingly great reward" Holy Bible
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree %100
  Matthew 6:22
  The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
  
  However this isn't the physical eye. It is rather the mind united into one.
  
  James 1
  5. If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
  6. But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
  7. For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
  8. A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
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  Rishy Richposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So why dont u guys just quit hubpage & start meditating?? And you can always come back after bcoming God or the enlightened one
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  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend Rishy Rich
  
  Meditation is done in real life; only one has to fix right a priority of moral and spiritual over the material; being ascetic is not needed; participating in the real life yet focussing on the Creator- God Allah YHWH is needed. One cannot become god; but God Allah YHWH showers his attributes on one and he become one in Him. This is what happened with Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908, and he has elborated it himself in many of his books.
  
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  Rishy Richposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ...Yeah Mirza called me last night. He told me to tell u something...
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  Rishy Richposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ...Yeah Mirza called me last night. He told me to tell u something...
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  sagbeeposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why have you written everywhere that "I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim" There is no need to define that you are a peaceful muslim. I guess when we share something about humanity and talk about god and religious beliefs then there is no point in mentioning that you are peaceful when your caste might create panic among people..
  
  I do not think that all muslims are same..
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ikeunegbeposted 14 years ago
Religion of whatever description could be limited in understanding the scope of spiritual matters. Man is both pyhiscal and spiritual. The physical has its base as the front brain. The spiritual part of man, has its base as the Intuition, linked with the back brain and the solar plexus in that order of communication.

Jesus Christ came on a Divine Mission of salvaging the spiritual man from the domination of his intellect, and to awaken him to the great use of the intuition. The same way people can feel the impact of air, without necessarily seeing it, that is how the intuition works. It gives you the answer without getting enmeshed in the proof procedure as you have in everyday science and thinking.

Christ's mission lies in His Words, which one can easily read and absorb, and then thereby imbibe the Christlike Spirit.
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  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend ikeunegbe
  
  Well that is the purpose of all the Messengers Prophets of the Creator-God Allah YHWH from Adam to Muhammad in between them like his senior Moses or Noah or Jonah or the John the Baptist with whom Jesus got baptised.
  
  Do you agree?
  
  I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.
  
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  philip carey 61posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Elegantly said.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not exactly an accurate understanding of brain function though is it?
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  philip carey 61posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not going to disagree with that assessment...
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errum fattahposted 14 years ago
its the most important thing that there's no any verse of bible in which jesus himself claimed that he's son of God. And every christian should know that in bible there are the marks of coming of Mohommad(pbuh)as the last prophet.

jesus himself says that another prophet has still to be come he will be the last one and his name shall be ahmed. And u should know that Ahmad is the name of Mohommad(pbuh)

" and how much u will betray the blessings of God"
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus said in John 10:36 "Why do you call it blasphemy when I say, 'I am the Son of God'? After all, the Father set me apart and sent me into the world."
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  errum fattahposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  let me provide u this verse of bible;
  " I have much mopre to say to you, more than you can bear now. But when he, the spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you in to all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will bring glory to me by taking what is mine and making it known to you"
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He did say he was the son of God.and that we can also become sons of God through adoption and being grafted back into the branch. .and he spoke of no other Messiah coming after..that's your Quran stating that..not the word of God.
  
  You betray yourself.
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  Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  errum fattah, سلم عليكم اليدين,
  
  show proof of this: unless you are speaking of the Teacher -which is the Spirit -who is the Revealer of the Word & Testimony- who is the Spirit of prophecy.
  
  (and though I am sure to regret this later, well said Creepy, and correct, there is no prophet after Him and none before Him.).
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Even if there are a hundred more prophets after Jesus the message will still be the same.
  
  Finger pointing to the moon, dont focus on the finger or else you will miss the glory of the heavenly bodies.
  
  The message is to be focused upon more then the messenger.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This world is in an ugly mess right now with Muslims and Christians at each others throats, God will need to send more messengers to correct this situation.
  
  Fighting over superiority of ones religion and prophet is stupid as the message is the same of all the prophets.
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paarsurreyposted 14 years ago
Jesus was flesh and bones like any other human being. He never claimed to be a god or son of god in literal terms . What God has to do with flesh and bones?

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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  From god comes all including every human, god permeates everything so yes Jesus was flesh and ones but his spirit or essence was that of gods.
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cheaptrickposted 14 years ago
"For it was the Simplicity of what He taught that made them Stumble"
Anybody want to Identify Where this quote came from?
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Deborah Sextonposted 14 years ago
O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, thank You for hiding these things from the wise and prudent, and revealing them unto babes" (Matthew 11:25).

The prophet William Branham
"Man's wisdom based upon a personal interpretation of Scripture is hubris and foolishness to God Who is so great He has revealed Himself in simplicity over which they stumble."
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Deborah Sextonposted 14 years ago
Paarsurrey.. do you believe in reincarnation?
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  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend Deborah Sexton
  
  No, I don't believe in re-incarnation; one who dies would not not return to this word neither in body nor in spirit; likes of him could come in sybolic form. Jesus died in India ; he is not to return; his return is in his smybolic form in the shape of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 to revive his true teachings and to expose what Church has been doing in "Jesus" name.
  
  In Mirza Ghulam Ahmadi true character of Moses, Abrahm, David, Jesus,Zoroaster, Buddha, Krishna etc have been revived; all religions are to unite under his banner being a Caliph of Muhammad called Imam Mahdi.
  
  I think you understand.
  
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I appreciate you for educating me about the beliefs of the Ahmadi. I also admire your patience.
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  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think you may have a convert or two.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So you feel a man can be in one lifetime what he needs to be in order to see Adonai?
  And that we are only given one chance..which is our short lifetime?
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  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend Deborah Sexton
  
  If Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 could reach Adonai the Creator- God Allah YHWH, in one life time; why could not others. Once one is recognized by the Adonai a faithful believer being totally absorbed in Him and the direct contact of Revelation is established; it becomes easy; as the rest is done by the Adonai; not by the believer.
  
  So there is no physical incarnation; never
  
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  There is absolutely no way to know if someone else has reached God. We can only know within if we have reached him. If we are able to fulfill the law then we have reached God..Love is the law. Love will not hate those who believe differently. Love does not teach that it is man's duty to kill those who don't believe. God is able to bring judgement of others.
  
  Anyone who teaches that it is OK to kill those who don't believe, are not of God. They are there secretly to control others.
  
  I am not speaking of reincarnating the physical body. Reincarnation is the spirit/soul coming back in another body.
  
  However..Yahshua ascended his body along with his spirit.
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  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend Deborah Sexton
  
  Like Adam and Eve knew when they received Coverse with God ; sameway others reach to God; and He starts the Converse or Revelation; one knows one has reached to God or God has manifested Himself to him.
  
  Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 has elaborated it in many of his books; he did receive Converse with God.
  
  Please read :
  "The Speaker is Honoured with Divine Converse .................... 184 "
  
  http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Ph … -Islam.pdf
  
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bojanglesk8posted 14 years ago
GodisImaginary.com
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Jeramiposted 14 years ago
Hay everyone Just checked in for a bite of food for thought; before falling down on the bed for the night.

I just had a thought. Why do we always say "WHEN" as in "When" the spirit comes... He "will" guide you.
And he "Will" make it known
Does "When" depend upon us ... as in "WHEN" we are ready or Willing or ABLE to accept "IT"
But only as much as we are able to understand ?.
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theLife Manualposted 14 years ago
Flesh and blood cannot inherit eternal life (1Corinth.15:50). That is the reason why human dead bodies are buried when the spirit comes out of them. The flesh of Jesus Christ was never made of our material earth (humus), but was a direct product of the spoken word of God. The Angel Gabriel took the news to Mary that she would conceive and give birth to a child who shall be called the Son of the Most High God, and that He shall save mankind from sin (Luke1:26-33). Being a virgin, and not yet married, Mary replied, "How shall this be, seeing I know not a man"? (verse34).

The angel went on to explain to her that the power of the Almighty shall come upon her and she shall conceive by the Holy Spirit (without the involvement of a man's sperm cell and her ovum) [Luke1: 35-37]. When Mary consented by faith and said, '...be it unto me according to thy word (i.e. the word of God delivered to her by the angel Gabriel as he was sent) [verse 38]', she conceived immediately by the Word of God, and nine months later, "...the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us..." (John 1:14). But that flesh was not made up humus material like our human flesh, as I said earlier, but of the incorruptible Word of God. That is the reason why it was impossible for the grave to hold Jesus Christ after He died (Acts2:22-36); that is the reason why He rose from the dead after three days, according to the predeterminate counsel of God.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "I tell ye you are all gods"
  
  "The kingdom of god is within" Jesus
  
  Sorry wrong definition of Jesus,man and god. .
  
  Every human is the son of god.This is Jesus main message ,he tried to wake humanity from its slumber.
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theLife Manualposted 14 years ago
Not every human sir, but as many as receive Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior (John1:12); those are the ones He gives the power to become the sons of God.

In a way, it is not difficult to understand and accept this you know. If you are a parent (for instance) only the children bore by you can be rightly, correctly and biologically referred to as your children. Otherwise, they must be adopted by you (there must be a basis for relationship). How can people claim God as their Father without a basis for Father-child relationship? Jesus Christ is the only basis that God has provided for any human relationship with His Divinity.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry this is false and you have been taught wrongly.There have been many messengers of god who teach the spirit or god is in every human being.
  
  One needs to meditate and come across this truth as to who one really is and what is god and death.
  
  Many have preached about god before and after Jesus.Its sad some just don't want to look at this fact of life.
  
  Its due to Jesus that many Christians found god by following his way ,one needs to walk the path.
  
  Saying he is the only way and greatest will not gain one salvation as the message has been totally lost.
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  theLife Manualposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  There was a time that the spirit of God was in man; but man sinned against God and became ostracized from the spirit of God. Death is actually the absence of the spirit of God in man. Jesus Christ came to reconnect man with the Spirit of God, and the reconnection is called regeneration. People get regenerated when they become "born again" by accepting Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. John 1:12; 3:3 and 6.
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Again you have been taught wrongly.
  
  Death is the door to god, the union of man and spirit.
  
  One needs to follow the path Jesus spoke off "when thy eye be single" or one pointed concentration(meditation) is required to merge with god.
  
  By accepting Jesus as your saving and doing nothing that he tells you to will not get one anywhere.By saying such things one does not get salvation as he has not understood Jesus or his message.
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  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend mohitmisra
  
  With a little rephrazing I agree with you. The Creator-God Allah YHWH is no spirit; all spirits have been created by Him and obey His commands; He is attributive; known by His attributes.
  
  The sentecne would be:
  
  Death is the door to God, the union of man and the attributive Creator- God Allah YHWH; in other words it is called Heaven.
  
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  ceciliabeltranposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You know, I think I am getting your drift, but it's possible that you're at level that many people will not understand. The "attributive" Creator requires that you define 'attributes' in a language that can be understood by the people here.
  
  Do you speak of attributes in a philosophical sense, or a theological sense (apophatic)?
  
  You are discussing G-d as an abstract concept that merges with the physical manifestation -- the human embodiment of such concept, no?
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  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend ceciliabeltran
  
  I don't believe in human embodiment of the Creator- God Allah YHWH. His attribute work in and out of us in the real world.
  
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Spirit is referred to god as divine spirit, light or god , Allah, Brahma, Jehovah, Holy Spirit., Great Spirit.
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Deborah Sextonposted 14 years ago
There is absolutely no way to know if someone else has reached God.
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  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend
  
  It is know from the word he speaks and the Word the Adonai or the Creator- God Allah YHWH spoke to him; the Converse between the two would determine it.
  
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  Deborah Sextonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Anyone who teaches that it is OK to kill those who don't believe, are not of God nor have they reached God. They are there secretly to control others.
  
  Hitler was afraid of the Jewish Mystics..He wanted their secrets and knowledge.
  His fear of them caused him to kill thousands of Jews. He hid behind the guise of God..stating he was a Christian and that God wanted him to kill the enemies..the Jews. He had many followers who he taught that, people with blue eyes and blond hair were of God, but those with brown eyes and dark skin were to be killed.
  His followers believed him or was afraid of him and carried out his orders. He was not of God nor had he reached them.
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  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend Deborah Sexton
  
  Then what wouild you say about Moses who killed 3000 Jews; he himself ordered as per Bible and ensured the execution; yet he spared the chief culprit, I seek refuge from Allah, Aaron; rather he gave the priest-hood to his off-spring.
  
  What would you say about Krishna; who had to fight with his own uncles and cousins and other relatives?
  
  One has to go deep to understand such phenomenon; and I am sure you have the faculty to go deep.
  
  I love Moses, Krishna and Muhammad the Princes of Peace.
  
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Muhammad also fought battles.
  
  Some of the Sikh prophets were warrior saints.
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  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hi mohitmisra
  
  Morals are doing something on its proper occasion. This is what Krishna taught to his famous cousin in Gita. Had Krishna not fought at that time ; it would have been an immoral act? Krishna was a Prince of Peace yet he had to fight with his uncles and other kith and kin.
  
  I admire Krishna.
  
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes I understand .
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
the writings of the Church fathers show that they were constantly forced by the Pagan intelligentsia to defend what the non-Christians and other Christians ("heretics") alike saw as a preposterous and fabricated yarn with absolutely no evidence of it ever having taken place in history.
Religion is control by fear, what I find hard to understand is that the propagators of these myths do not know their own story or it's history.
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  kimberlyslyricsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ditto to that
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paarsurreyposted 14 years ago
Jesus was flesh and bones like any other human being; and that is why he himself stated that he was Son of Man or Son of Adam. He could commit mistakes and errors like anyone else can; and that made him a human beings.

To err is human; and if the Christians say that he was a human in any form; then he must have made mistakes otherwise he could not be considered a human. The Christians please mention the mistakes Jesus made or please accept that he was not humanly in any form. Please let Jesus be a human; and god he never was.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran

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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If you know god you will see god is all things including Jesus.
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  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend mohitmisra
  
  Please elaborate further.
  
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  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The Light or Allah, Jevovah, Brahma is a very fine light, love tissue , supremely intelligent and permeating everything in this universe.
  The basic essence of man is this light as well, all is god.
  
  "Countless in front are you entity,
  Each having and individual identity."
  
  "You are made of such fine Light ,Love tissue,
  No beginning, no end an ageless issue."
  
  man is gods extension, this material universe is god extension.
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
I have yet to meet one non indoctrinated religionist or even hear of one.
Nobody with a clean slate and enough brain cells to function could conclude there is a sky fairy.
I have never heard one religionist address that their beliefs were there thousands of years before the bible or quoran either!

Lies of omission! .

If you run a search on scientists who believe in god you will find they were educated in a religious school, had religious parents or usually both.

The same thing applies to scientists, you can't get an intelligent person up this road without paving it with religion.
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  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friends
  
  Our friend earnestshub can find his ideal clean slate man only in the abnormal persons; normally evolved persons would be always indoctrined in a religion or a non-religion culture.
  
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Do you even know what indoctrinated means? Normal people are not indoctrinated into religion. Sheep are indoctrinated, some others can think for themselves!
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paarsurreyposted 14 years ago
http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/40539

Deborah Sexton wrote:

1. Yahshua was flesh, blood and, bone.
2. By being upright and seeking God's righteousness he became the son of God.
Christ taught that we can also become the sons of God.

Paarsurrey says:

I agree with the first one; Jesus was no god; only a human being made of flesh, blood and bones like anybody.

The second one is only symbolic being in image of God; otherwise God needs no wife, no children.

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paarsurreyposted 14 years ago
Hi friends

Flesh is a weak substance cannot stand without bones; just not fit for a god. Bible mentions Jesus having flesh only; its concept of a god of flesh only is therefore fallacious. The Creator- God Allah YHWH is neither flesh nor bones; He is only attributive:

[112:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[112:2] Say, ‘He is Allah, the One;
[112:3] ‘Allah, the Independent and Besought of all.
[112:4] ‘He begets not, nor is He begotten;
[112:5] ‘And there is none like unto Him.’

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