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   Jeramiposted 13 years ago

   Christians believe in God and Jesus Christ!
      Christians believe that Satan will do anything that he can to win a war against God.
      
      Will Satan infiltrate the ranks of religion if he can?
      How would we know it if he does?
      What keeps him from doing it?

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      Obscure Divineposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Who is Satan?  Everyone else?

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      Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Satan is a concept dreamed up to shift the burden of responsibility to a third party.

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         Daniel Carterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Bingo. Pass Go and collect $200.
         
         Satan is symbolic for every individual's own ego, I believe. Satan is blamed so that we don't have to take responsibility for our own egotistical hatred, unkindness, etc., etc.
         
         "The Devil made me do it."
         
         Yeah, right...

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            SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            
            
            When did Flip Wilson enter this forum and post?
            
            Earlier in this thread it was mentioned that Satan cannot make anyone do anything. He can only present the idea. He is the tempter.
            
            I actually wrote a hub titled, the Devil made me do it a couple years ago.

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               Daniel Carterposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Point noted, SirDent. There are many such as you who do have a better take on the Devil, however my experience is that all too often people blame the Devil for their own refusal to accept where they are, that it was because of their choices they are there, as a reason for them to not move forward or take responsibility.
               
               If I appeared to make a generalization, I was mistaken. That wasn't my intent. Thanks for clarifying.

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                  SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Adam did blame Eve for what he did. Many will blame Satan and God does also, but God will also judge each person according to his/her own works. Satan will not be with them when they stand in judgment.

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                     Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     He never was there, your actions are your actions. Deal with it.

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                     skyfireposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     How you're so sure about this ?

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         qam2119i832489999posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         The world has been turned on its head. People are all up for reading the darwin theory but when it comes to readin the books sent by allah people dont look that way. Our minds have been polluted by a freemasonic led media and many religions infiltrated. All countries and politicians have been hooked into their agenda. We all know that in the end the battle is between good and evil. The dajjal(cyclops) has been mentioned in all abrahamic books. Read the tawrah, the bible ( these books have been altered, remember the bible has an old and a new testament). That is what the world has been prepared for. Women think they have been liberated but they bodies have been used by the devil and ponographic industry is one of the largest in the world. For me the down fall of humanity is the way in which man has used the woman to portray his evil ideals. look at the media today the all show 1 eye, (look at lady gaga kanye west, jay z and rihanna) Most importantly look at the dollar. And also i recommend that you watch the arrivals.
         http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q … s&aq=f
         Watch it, it may open your eyes to the evil you look up to. and the peace we have all watched being destroyed.

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         Denseposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Couldn't agree more.

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      goldenpathposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, he has infiltrated the ranks of most religions.  Not just religion, but all ranks of man.  This includes religious, political and private.  If you are conscious of what the Spirit tells you is right and wrong and act on those promptings you will be guided and blessed with discernment of the adversary's dealings with man.

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         susanlangposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         goldenpath.. once again you said it best!!  Thanks,

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      Hokeyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Dont worry. He's playing craps with The Flying Spaghetti Monster!

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         earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         

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         SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         While non believers are posting crap with him.

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      yvensposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      It's happening right now.  Pay attention to the news, natural disasters that seems to coincide with biblical writings and warnings; let us not forget Nostradamus and the Mayan Calender .   These current events does not give humanity the right to throw everything up in the air with a conceptual attitude that all is lost.
      That charge, changes made changes everything! it really does.

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         Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Just stoped by the house for a few minutes goin to work.
         
           Yea the news does seem to point to s 79 car pile up.  Too many things getting stretched to their limits all at the same time.
            I think that it has been building to this for the past 1600 pluss years.
            I also think that prophesy will not be fulfilled the way most people think that it will.

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      getitriteposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       
      
      
      I just talked to Satan, and He told me that the Seven Deadly Sins are, in fact, all instinctual to human nature and not sinful at all, and as all of these so-called sins are natural to humans, they should be embraced and even considered virtuous. This, for example:
           Envy and greed are the motivating forces of ambition -     and without ambition, very little of any importance would be accomplished.
             
      Satan wants Christians to stop using Him to justify sending people to church, because this fallacy is a device to guarantee that humans within the Christian religious framework will surely sin and have no choice but to beg God for forgiveness; therefore, dependence upon the Church is assured.

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         Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         You got that right ????????????

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   Jeramiposted 13 years ago

   Obscure Divine
   who is Satan?  Everyone else?
   
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     Christians know who he is.
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   Beelzedad
     Satan is a concept dreamed up to shift the burden of responsibility to a third party.
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     If that is who he is ; then it being a Christian concept;
   Christians know who he is in their concept.
   
     So I guess Christians must be the only ones that can answer my Question.
    
     But if you can answer my question I'm happy to hear it.
     And if you have questions I'd be happy to attempt to answer them.

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      karobiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      jerami, it baffled me most of the time the way the christian faith is being at any slightest oppprtunity. I have gone through most of the comments by every one and I have found out that any time there is a discussion about evil and unevil (sorry) people immediately turn it to an avenue to attack the christian faith instead of addressing the issue as it should be. So now Jerami is it only christian that  talk about satan among every  other religion? I think, I begin to know the position of the christian faith among other religions.

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         Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         @karobi... I have not studied other religions enough to answer the question about their views of Satan.
            It is my opinion that The Christian bible refers to him as an entity. It seems to refer to Antichrist as more of a state of mind.
            The NT speaks of people being possessed by demons; possibly Satan possessed those in powerful positions ???
         
            Part of the problem is that Christianity has become too diversified. Too many Denominations, too many belief systems.
         
            I do believe that the more we use our imaginations when interpreting scripture, the more we add to the problem.
            To have blind faith in there being a God in Heaven is one thing.
            To have blind faint in a religion is something else entirely.
            Many times a professing Christian has blind faith in those things that the preacher tells them to be truth! And every pastor has a different prospective as to what that truth is.
         
            I still think that everyone that professes to follow Christ should forget everything that the preacher has taught them and study the prophesy of scripture for themselves.
           Remember what 2nd Peter 2:10 says... "Knowing this first....that no prophesy of scripture has any private interpretation"
         
            Study the prophesy as written; interpreting nothing.
            I think that Daniel is the best place to begin.
         It appears to me that the Book of Revelation is a sequel to the book of Daniel. These prophesy are not all mixed up together but are sequential. As in any sequel, the book of Revelation begins with overlaping the end of the book of Daniel.
         
            When we do this it immediately becomes obvious that "Religion" has  NOT  been teaching an unadulterated version of prophesy.
         
            @hgbotoe  your statement  seems to have truth

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   dfagerposted 13 years ago

   Sometimes it's easier to find reason to believe in Satan than God; afterall, it is Satan who rules this world.  Mankind often does blame Satan when they should look inside their own hearts.  Of course Satan will try to decieve the Church of God and at some time in the future, the anti-Christ will demand people worship him.
   
   I believe that Satan is already at work trying to destroy the Church, with divisions, trying to deny the supernatural power of God, with consumerism and materialism, political correctness and secular values, with Christians judging other Christians and the list goes on.

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      Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I think that he is real.  But no the devil didn't make me do it.  My poor pitiful live is all my making.
        I do wonder if he has already infiltrated Religion. Actually I would wonder why he would wait untill now.

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   earnestshubposted 13 years ago

   Christians, like Muslims deliberately "miss" the bloomin obvious.
   
   Had they been born in another or each others societies their beliefs would be entirely different. The Muslims would be christians, the christians muslims etc!
   
   Religious beliefs are social concepts learned because of location.

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      FranyaBlueposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I was born and raised in England to an athiest family....I'm Muslim
      
      But I get what you mean.

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   Mishaposted 13 years ago

   To answer the title question - posting on these forums

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      Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I'm sure that you are right.
         Do you think that he is everywhere?
      
      
        Do you want to point a finger?

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         Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Umm, don't see myself everywhere

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            Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Na .. you ain't him. 
            
              He is suposed to be really good looking.
            
              Maybe it's me ??   ...NA 
              He's suposed to be good looking. specially when we remember he is inteligent also.  Caint be me.

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   lightning johnposted 13 years ago

   You ask what is he doing?  And is he infiltrating religion?
     Duh!  I don't believe in a devil, only evil that is cultivated in a persons mind!

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   dfagerposted 13 years ago

   True, we believe with the measure of faith given to us.  I usually don't go around trying to convert other believers unless they try to convert me first or ask a question.  Questions seem fair game.  I can't judge atheist too harshly either because I used to be one.  I usually just prefer to try to understand someone with a different perspective or belief  because I might learn something.

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   Rochelle Frankposted 13 years ago

   If there is a Satan, he goes to church every Sunday.

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      lightning johnposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      True!

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      Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      If Satan exist,  and half of what we have heard about him is true,  I am sure that you are correct.

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         lightning johnposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Jerami have you been sittin round the barbee having a few?
                        Again?

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            Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Nope ,,, Not yet...
               Real question that most, if not all Christians don't wanna think about. If he is supposed to do this thing that he is supposed to do; 
               Why would he wait till now to do it?

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         Rochelle Frankposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I'm not saying that church-goers are bad-- just that they need to be aware that 'Satan' likes to look like he's doing the right thing.
         
         Naturally, he would hang out with those he would most like to deceive.

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            poetlorraineposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            amen to that well said

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            Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I have to agree totally ..  I am not saying that they are bad either. 
               I am just saying that Satan probably infiltrated the Church to influence all that he is able to deceive.
               And he has been doing that from the beginning.
            
               This is why there is so much confusion created by Interpretations of scripture in the church today.
               After all this is what it is said that was done in the garden?
               The serpent interpreted Gods intentions for Eve.

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   dfagerposted 13 years ago

   People have always made claims that the anti-christ was the Catholic Church or that it was Martin Luther or one of the other Protestant reformers.

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      Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I don't want to point fingers as yet on this thread.
        Keeping the origional question of the thread in mind...
      
        Would he infiltrate religion if he could?
        I would think  YES
        If he couldn't?  Would he build a religion of his own that in many ways mimics the real one.
      
        I think that it was prophesied that he would do exactly that.
        That prophesy came forth in 96 AD to John while he was on the Isle of Patmos.
        My question is that if this prophesy was true?
        Why would Satan wait 1900 years to do this?
      
        Especially when The book of Revelation says " The revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave unto him to shew unto his servants things which MUST shortly come to pass" 
      "For the time is at hand"
      
        How ever you all are welcome to point fingers or point out facts that you believe to be true.

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         dfagerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Time is a difficult concept in the Bible.  Where Satan is, also is difficult.  Satan dealt with Job, Satan tempted Jesus in the dessert.  Satan seems to be both on earth and in the heavens.  He also wages war both in the heavens and on earth.  In the Revelation, Satan is cast out of the heavens completely with all his fallen angles.  This is a time in the future.  I believe that he has always persecuted the Church and caused divisions.
         
         "For the time is at hand" - some believe that the Kingdom of God can be realized at the present time, that it always could be found at the present time in a spiritual sense.  (like having become enlightened.)  Like living in both an earthly and heavenly realm at once.  Some believe that the Church will be raptured before the tribulation and some believe the Church will be raptured after.  Some Christians don't believe in the rapture at all.
         
         Whether Satan will invade the current Church or build his own, I don't know but he will say that he is Christ.

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    poetlorraineposted 13 years ago

    Satan means slanderer, i believe.
    
    i think Satan is so clever, he fools people into believing he does not exist, however i feel he is very powerful.

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    poetlorraineposted 13 years ago

    we need to get back to reading the bible, sometime there can be a huge difference between what some churches teach and in fact what the bible actually says.

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    SirDentposted 13 years ago

    Satan is the adversary.
    
    He is also an accuser.
    
    He is a liar and the father of lies, the truth is not in him.
    
    He infiltrates through those we are closest to, but only if we allow him to. The Holy Ghost will check us when Satan is close if we would only listen to Him.
    
    He is evil through and through. Nothing good ever comes through him.
    
    He is not omnipresent like God is, thus he has unclean spirits to help him.
    
    He has decieved his own self by thinking he can put his throne above the throne of God. Many unbelievers have done this very same thing. New age beliefs are most adamant at calling themselves God.
    
    Rochelle mentioned Satan going to church every Sunday and she is right. Satan doesn't care to go to church. Where good is evil is also present. He will do whatever he can to get your mind off of God.
    
    He wants to get between you and your prayers, you and your worship, you and your praises. He wants to steal your joy and your relationship with God.
    
    He tries to copy God.
    
    The devil cannot make you do anything. He can only present something to you, but you must make the decision to do it or not.

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       Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I am sorry Sir Dent...  This post almost slipped past without my noticing.
          Just happen to be checking back through for that purpose.
       
          I agree with everything that you posted above.
          He has been doing these things for a long long time and is very good at his job.
       
           I'll bet ya a nickle that he has a few tricks that we are not aware of.

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          SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I would say so. This is why it is necessary to have the Holy Ghost to warn us of impending danger.

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             Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Rev 12:15  And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood and the earth opened  her mouth and swallowed up the flood.
             
                 I think that the water as a flood was Lies, false interpretations and the earth swallowed them up(believed them) 
                  I think that these lies predominately pretained to Prophesy. And the Authority of the Church. 
             For only one truly has authority and that is the Father,
              
               I think that this happened long ago.

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    Jeramiposted 13 years ago

    poetlorraine wrote...Time is a difficult concept in the Bible
    
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    Time is difficult to understand. I believe that it is necessary to understand the prophetic timeline as described in scripture if we are to even attempt to understand the scriptur as a whole.
    
       And I believe that the concept of prophetic time is explained in Daniel chapter nine.  For this reason.
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    poetlorraine  wrote
      we need to get back to reading the bible, sometime there can be a huge difference between what some churches teach and in fact what the bible actually says.
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      OH .... so so true.   And we should read it as if we didn't already know what we were reading.
    And when We do we need to forget about every INTERPRETATION that the Churches have been teaching for past centuries

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       poetlorraineposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       absolutely, we should pray for holy spirit to help us understand.

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          Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I did pray for understand; specifically that concerning the prophesy. I did this because I was deeply concerned about many things that Religion was teaching about them that seemed way too self contradicting.
             Wisdom on this matter can easily be found.  It is standing right there in plain sight, behind a mountain of interpretations.

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    Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years ago

    

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       Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       God said;....
           Now children ...Don't make me have to come down there!

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          Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I saw one in Tucson, AZ that read:  If you think it's hot here...
          
          God

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             Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             I think that what little witt I've got has gone to sleep.
                Woke up about 18 hours ago; manuel labor all day. Doin it again tomorrow. 
                 Good night ....goina go fall down in the bed.

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    donotfearposted 13 years ago

    I bet the devil is standing around with his big red self, holding his pitchfork, twitching his tail back and forth while glaring with those yellow eyes and laughing like a maniac.
    
    

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    donotfearposted 13 years ago

    ...........or he usually comes around in disguise!!!
    
    

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    Hokeyposted 13 years ago

    Dont know what satans doing but his fans sure are waiting.
    
    

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       earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Ah the good old days when satan was a clown with an oversized tomato for a companion!

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    Greek Oneposted 13 years ago

    I think she is speaking at a Tea Party rally this afternoon
    
    

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       earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Talking in tongues does that to ya!

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    pisean282311posted 13 years ago

    afraid to interact with humans , he is in his den and dormant

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    Hokeyposted 13 years ago

    I see he is up to his old tricks again.
    
    

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       earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Not that old levitating Lucifer trick again!!!

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    Ashmiposted 13 years ago

    For what it's worth. The devil shows himself everytime we do not do what we know we should do.

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       Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Don't you think it's time to start taking responsibility for your own actions rather than shifting them to a third party?

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          SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I think maybe you should reread what was written above.
          
          everytime we do not do what we know we should do.
          
          I think the person who wrote it is taking responsibility.

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             Ashmiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Thank you SirDent....I was going to respond but thought..."what's the point/"

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             earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             By passing them on to the psychology of "devil in the corner?"
             Making another in this case imaginary person the guilty party?
             Not the old "the devil made me do it!!" TV evangelist one?
             That is called shirking or sidestepping ones personal responsibility to my mind, and having cause outside of self.

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                SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                Do you think someone can tempt or provoke you to do something you wouldn't ordinarily do?

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                   earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   Certainly. But I will take full responsibility for my actions from that point forward. I ran businesses for many years. I had plenty of temptations as many of us do, and as I said, it is I not anyone else who is responsible for my actions.

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                      Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                      Gooday earnest...  have you ever thought that you are more GOD centered than many Religionists would want to admitt.
                      
                        I have often said that the God that I know does not want to sit on the end of out noses blocking our view of this wonderful world that is around us.
                         I don't think that he wants us to have him on the forefront of our every thought.
                         I think that he just don't want us to forget where we came from.  That is the most important thing to him. 
                         Just like we feel about our children.
                         I'll come get ya when ever ya get in trouble, But don't be makeing that work any harder than it has to be... OK...ok then

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                Ashmiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                The devil is there every time we lie, cheat, deceive, manipulate, exploit, abuse etc etc......is it clear now? I am not talking of an external being. To me, both God and the devil exist within us and it is up to us who we serve.

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                   Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   Again, you have created these entities to shift the burden of responsibility of your own actions to third parties.
                   
                   Of course, if you are deceiving, manipulating, exploiting, abusing, etc etc, then you haven't really learned any values despite a religious upbringing.

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                      Ashmiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                      For your information I didn't have a religious upbringing. I wouldn't even consider myself religious as I follow no tradition.
                      
                      I think the difficulty lies with your capacity to understand what is being said. It is obvious you do not comprehend what is being expressed.
                      
                      Either that or you are just here in order to provoke contention.
                      
                      I hope it is not the latter.

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                         Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                         No, I do comprehend. Perhaps, it is your ability to express yourself that is the problem. 
                         
                         And yes, you are very religious. 

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                            Ashmiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                            Somehow,  I doubt very much that I will ever get a half intelligent response from you.
                            
                            I will leave it at that, and hope you can see that there are better ways of passing the time than trying to pick a fight.
                            
                            There is no need to feel shame for lack of education. Just try and control yourself and you'll be fine.

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                               Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                               I'm apologize for not being able to provide the deluded fantasies you require to sustain your "education." 

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             Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Maybe, you should read it:
             
             The devil shows himself
             
             
             
             Who cares? Don't you have a mind of your own to think for yourself or do you just blindly follow anyone who tells you... ?
             
             Never mind.

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                Ashmiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                Do yourself a favour and try not to take everything so literally. Can you tell me whom I am supposed to be following?

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                   Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   No one. Just be yourself and decide for yourself what kind of life you want to lead.

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    skyfireposted 13 years ago

    I wish i can see some christian forum posters who can claim "abortion is temptation of satan,as god is running out of human seeds to farm".

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    andromidaposted 13 years ago

    Satan is busy in making sure that there is no Satan

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    somelikeitscottposted 13 years ago

    Well, I had lunch with Satan last week and he was just going on and on about the usual stuff - in-laws, minions (you know, they're like puppies, you think you want them but then they'e so needing and start crapping up the whole house)but most of all he was bragging about Twitter. He's pretty proud of himself over that one and the entire time we were at lunch he was tweeting about the Cobb salad he was having. Needless to say I got very bored but my interest was piqued when he told me about his new reality show in development. It'll be sort of like Survivor or the Bachelor and the person who wins gets their own pitchfork. Sounds like a hoot! So really kids, no need to worry about Satan, he's just as boring as you are!

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       earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I am here but hell I can't disagree with that last point you made!!!!

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    earnestshubposted 13 years ago

    I agree I have learned enough from life itself to decide what is important moraly to me. They are also the things that do me the most good. Love for example is a doing thing, it is not just an emotional response that comes from something you believe. It is bloody hard work too.
    I don't have to be told it is a good idea to help others out who are battling or protect and nourish children or do the right thing to the best of my ability. Those are if examined good selfish procedures I can be comfortable with, not something I need a boogy man to force me to do under threats of fire and brimstone! Geezzzzzzzz

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       pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       infact that is better than doing for incentive of heaven or fear for hell..doing because u believe in something and doing out of no fear and greed is best thing to do...

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    pisean282311posted 13 years ago

    i asked my friend who is online this question..he said she was cooking dinner..guess he has exciting married life..

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    paarsurreyposted 13 years ago

    what is Satan doing?
    
    Hi friends
    
    Christian concept that Satan or devil was once an angel that became devil or satan is wrong.
    
    Angels cannot do any evil as they are always for the positive.
    Satan or Devil cannot do anything excetp evil; when there is a positive pole, there has to be negtive pole.
    Man has the option to do evil or not to do evil.
    
    So devil or Satan is doing evil as he has always been doing. If men to good deeds and virtue; there will be no existence of the devil or Satan; it is not a force or power.
    
    Thanks
    
    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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       Obscure Divineposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       What did you just say?  Evil is a type of pole?  Maybe the pole becomes negative in a downward fashion, after it is finished, okay:
       Angels are slaves to the positive pole, man decides whether to use the pole, and Satan is the pimp of all polarities?
       Mr. Parlay, that is an interesting version you have of the Yin & Yang pole theory...  Ha-ha!

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          Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          yeah,, stop dancing around the pole...
          
          (that's the first time I have ever said that to anyone)

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             Obscure Divineposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             That was great; hands down...

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             kimberlyslyricsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             and we respect your honesty and support you sharing.  We're behind you.

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                Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                what the hell are you doing back there???

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       getitriteposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       
       
       
                    WHAT?!!!
       
                      

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          Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Looks isn't always all that inportant...  It's the attitude that matters most.

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       dfagerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Christians believe in freedom to chose to believe in God or not believe in God.  We believe that angels are also free.  There is no faith without freedom.  If God had wanted his creation to be slaves he could have created all things that way.  But the essense of love is freedom. 
       
       If God could be found by reason this also would hinder freedom.  Jesus walked on earth and yet people had the freedom to decide if he was the Redeemer of the world, the Christ.  Many, although they ate with him and followed him, still could not believe.  Jesus told Thomas when he appeared to him to touch his hands or his side so he could believe that he had risen from the dead.  Even by the authority of God's own son, Thomas could decide for himself whether he believed.

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          paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Hi friend  dfager
          
          Please quote from your scriptures for the claim and the reasons.
          
          Thanks
          
          I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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    kimberlyslyricsposted 13 years ago

    screwing with my hub scores is what!!!!   

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    Jeramiposted 13 years ago

    Greek One  wrote
    stop dancing around the pole...
    
    (that's the first time I have ever said that to anyone)
    ===================================
    
       Don't think it matters what the issue is...
      We cain't stop dancing around the pole.

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       Obscure Divineposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Yeah, it is called gyrating. 

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          Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I hope we all think that we look good doing it.
          Maybe it aint how it looks but  how it feels.

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    Greek Oneposted 13 years ago

    damn I miss my ex sometimes

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       Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I miss your ex wife too. 
          Just teasing>
           that wasn't nice  sorry

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    Richieb799posted 13 years ago

    If that's what he looks like in that photo, I would say he's been heavily drinking and has an alcohol problem, look how yellow his eyes are

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       Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       do ya think he might need  bath oil and handlotion rubbed all over his body by some babe.... 
       might put a smile on his face.  That's what is missing.. a smile on his face.

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    kimberlyslyricsposted 13 years ago

    someone said bum.

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    Jeramiposted 13 years ago

    Back to the origional post.
    
      What makes Christians think that Satan would wait for 1900 years to begin fulfilling prophesy?
    
      Even is he was supposed to wait for 1900 years before he began fulfilling prophesy;   Do ya think that he would??

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       SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       It boils down to this. Can God hold Satan back from doing anything? God says it will happen, and it will, but n ot before He says it is time.

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          Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          God can hold Satan back if he wants to.
          If God says something is going to happen it will happen when God says that it will.
             We can interpret what He has said all that we want to, and it happens as he says that it will/did?

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             SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             
             
             What God says will happen will happen no matter how we or anyone else interprets it. It is not up to us to interpret God's Word. We are to recieve it as it is revealed by the Holy Ghost.

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    dfagerposted 13 years ago

    All in all, I just don't understand the question.  Maybe all this has already happened.  Maybe time is always present to us but not to angels or God.

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       Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       The question amounts to ...  Why do Christians not believe it possible that prophesy has  been fulfilled up to the final battle?

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       Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I think that God gave Gabriel a message to give to Daniel.
       The Lord spoke the message to Gabriel in terms that Gabriel was sure to understand. God used Angelic terms.
       
         Gabriel then told Daniel the message exactly as it was given to him.
       
          Thus he told Daniel; That That Hebrew Nation has been given 70 weeks to quit sinning and anoint the Most holy if they were going to stop the prophesy from total fulfillment.
          
          He told Daniel that it shall be 69 weeks unto Messiah the Prince
          He also said that it shall be 62 weeks and then they are going to kill the Messiah.
          This 62 weeks was a length of time as measured by the Angels.
          This reference to a length of time turns out to be equal to approx 568 of out years.
       
          There is no need to interpret this message to mean something other than what is plainly stated.
       
         It has to be analized YES; but not Interpreted

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          Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I challenge anyone to read Daniel 9:21 thru 27
          Do not NOT interpret these written words.
             Understand that the first verse identifies this message as having been given in the first year of Darious the Mede
          (538 -535 BC)
             
            V25   Know therefore and UNDERSTAND that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto Messiah the Prince , shall be seven weeks,and three score and two weeks. (69 weeks)
              There is one thing to consider.
              Theologians say; "If we only knew when the COMMAND came forth to restore and to build Jerusalem this would be a key to better understanding prophesy!!!   What ??
             Construction of Jerusalem began in 535 BC,
             You would think that the commandment did come forth before the construction began.
             Gabriel said that "I have come to give you skill and understanding". "At the beginning of thy supplications THE COMMANDMENT camd forth".
          
             I do not understand the confusion.
             If we can just understand this Chaprer of Prophesy first; before we begin to interpret all other scripture to fit what we want to believe, we would end with a diffrent understanding than the one that  "Religion" has been teaching since 326 AD. 
          
            In this New beliefs system, Jesus still loves you. Jesus still died for our sins. 
            "But the times have been changed"

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    dfagerposted 13 years ago

    Because nothing like a star has fallen, none of the oceans have become like wormwood, the anti Christ has not forced people to worship him.

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       Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I think that those reasons are a matter of interpretation.
       
          When we speak of things that need no interpretation, because they were already interpreted by Gabriel or Spoken by Jesus in terms that were spoken so clearly that it should be considered criminal to change the meanings.
       
          Consider this..  In 538 BC Gabriel said that in 62 weeks they were going to kill the Messiah. 62 weeks were fulfilled 568 years later.  These last next 8 weeks must be hidden out there in magical interpretation land for the next 1980 years and counting.????
          62 weeks took 568 years to come to fulfillment yet
          8 weeks has take 1980 years and still counting.????????
          When we choose to believe this... 
         We then have to interpret everything.  And it doesn't make sence.?????

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    Jeramiposted 13 years ago

    I do not mean any disrespect.
    And   I want to thank everyone for their comments.

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    Jeramiposted 13 years ago

    I sometimes wonder;  If my concept were to be correct,
    that the signs of the times that everyone is expecting to see such as the rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem; The earth being hit by a star etc was not going to happen before "THE END"
    
       That "THE END" comes before people see these prophesy come to pass????
    
       If all of these prophesy has indeed already been fulfilled?
    
       Would anyone  NEED to know.  WANT to know??
    
      I would think so; as far as the NEED to know is concerned.
     
      I think that we would all see the prophesy differently when we understand just a few things that is written in scripture  to mean exactly what is written.
      If we believed that we shouldn't interpret those things that is written that Jesus is said to have spoken?
       What IF when Jesus said that "This generation shall not pass till all of these things be fulfilled"
       "What if" we reexamined our interpretations of what we think that he said? 
      What God said is true.
      It is our interpretations that I am questioning.

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       SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       
       
       
       God does not leave His children in the dark. There are things we do not yet know, but wer will when the time is right. You keep going back to talking about our interpetations. Our interpretations are wrong unless revealed by the Holy Ghost as being right.
       
       The Holy Ghost is key to understanding anything in truth.

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    Jeramiposted 13 years ago

    I am not very good at recalling Chapter and verse, but I have a fairly good memory as to the things that I have read.
    
       I think that it is written that we should "always" test the spirit that tells us things; and if it contradicts the written  scritpure to not believe it.
    
       I believe that to interpret clearly stated scripture in such of a way as to change the meaning of that scripture because a spirit has told us to do so; is to do so in error.
    
      I guess we could say that this is just my interpretation????

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       SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       We are to try the spirits as you said. We are to hold fast to that which is good.
       
       I agree if the spirit that tells us to change it is not the Holy Ghost.
       
       Satan tries to change scripture constantly.

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          Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          I Do appreciate this discussion!!  And do not intend to seem arguementive.
          
             As I asked earlier
             What   "IF"   Satan has already changed the meanings of scripture hundreds of years ago, by teaching us that we "SHOULD" or HAVE to interpret the scripture in order to understand them correctly?
          
             And "IF"   this is exactly what has happened ? 
             Should people be told ?
             Would they want to know ?   "IF"

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             SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             If he had alreayd done it, there would be nothing we could do about it unless God got into the mix and fixed it. Many are deceived and believe they are to interpret scripture all the tim on their own. I have been guilty of it myself at times but I am still learning.
             
             
             
             Read my hubs. They are full of warnings telling them about it. In truth, they do not want to know. They don't want to hear the truth. They want to follow what they want without anyone saying they are wrong or even hint they may be wrong.

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    Jeramiposted 13 years ago

    Good morning.. 
    
    SD....  If he had alreayd done it, there would be nothing we could do about it unless God got into the mix and fixed it.
    ====================================================
    jerami....  All that we could do is to be mentaly  ready  to accept whatever comes.
      Understanding this will be the biggest test of our lives. For me; knowning (thinking I do) may make it easier to assept what is to come and act appropriately?
    =================================
    SirDent......They don't want to hear the truth. They want to follow what they want without anyone saying they are wrong or even hint they may be wrong.
    =============================
    jerami...  I am coming to that conclusion! 
    I may be in that group but do not think so. 
    Guess no one wants to rethink the foundation of their beliefs.
    
      I  have to go to work again today. Laying a few ceramic tiles.
    I will chect out those hubs when I return home this evening.

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       SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       You should come do my tile work for me.
       
       We are in the middle of a kitchen remodel and it is going way to slow.

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          Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          they always do tend to take too long. Especially when you can not dedicate yourself to it from start to finish.
          
            Doing this stuff for a living... I'm usualy too tired of doing these things to finish the projects around my house.
           
            I do not have a honey-do list..  I've got a honey do book.

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             SirDentposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             I do the same for a living also. Been a carpenter most of my life and plumber, and electrician, and . . .

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                Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                I shouldn't have gotten confortable earlier; Just woke up and it's almost midnight.
                
                   I'm getting too old for this kind of work.
                I do not do the big Jobs any longer. But used to do it all.
                Nothing was too big of a repair.

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    Hokeyposted 13 years ago

    Dont worry. He is just hanging out with Saddam.
    
    

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    Hokeyposted 13 years ago

    

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       Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Been reading a few hubs. A Godless world was one.
       Nice poem. And I can see where that concept might be true for some.   But for more people than not; A belief in God is what keeps them from taking a car ride in the closed garage.
       
          As the topic of the thread sugests; I believe that Satan; Whatever/whoever he is has been working hard within the religions of the world.
       
          I think that without his influence; A simple relationship with God would not have turned "RELIGIOUS".

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    earnestshubposted 13 years ago

    Just wondering how much martyrdom could be milked from an image like this!

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    Jeramiposted 13 years ago

    Good night yaul ...   Goina see if I can get a few hrs. of sleep before getting up in four hours.

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    paarsurreyposted 13 years ago

    Hi friends
    
    The devil or Satan is doing what he was to do as per the only secure and protected Word of  Revelation from the Creator God Allah YHWH:
    
    [7:11] And We have established you in the earth and provided for you therein the means of subsistence. How little thanks you give!
    [7:12] And We did create you and then We gave you shape; then said We to the angels, ‘Submit to Adam;’ and they all submitted but Iblis did not; he would not be of those who submit.
    [7:13] God said, ‘What prevented thee from submitting when I commanded thee?’ He said, ‘I am better than he. Thou hast created me of fire while him hast Thou created of clay.’
    [7:14] God said, ‘Then go down hence; it is not for thee to be arrogant here. Get out; thou art certainly of those who are abased.’
    [7:15] He said, ‘Grant me respite till the day when they will be raised up.’
    [7:16] God said, ‘Thou shalt be of those who are given respite.’
    [7:17] He said: ‘Now, since Thou hast adjudged me as lost, I will assuredly lie in wait for them on Thy straight path.
    [7:18] ‘Then will I surely come upon them from before them and from behind them and from their right and from their left, and Thou wilt not find most of them to be grateful.’
    [7:19] God said: ‘Get out hence, despised and banished. Whosoever of them shall follow thee, I will surely fill Hell with you all.’
    [7:20] ‘And O Adam, dwell thou and thy wife in the garden and eat therefrom wherever you will, but approach not this tree lest you be among the wrongdoers.’
    
    http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=10
    
    Thanks
    
    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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    Jeramiposted 13 years ago

    The entire book of Daniel speaks of four kingdoms that are given dominion over that Hebrew nation.
     
      Daniel 7:23  Gabriel’s interpretation of the description of the fourth beast that is seen in the vision.
      23  The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon the earth (Not the 7th or 8th but the fourth)
    24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise, and another shall rise   AFTER   them ... and he shall subdue three kings.
       When the 14 Emperor of Rome died
    Daniel 12:1  And at that time shall Michael stand up for the children of thy people, and there shall be a time of trouble as never was...  And at that time thy people shall be delivered, everyone that shall be found written in the book...
     
    
      What does these verses say when we do not interpret them???

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    earnestshubposted 13 years ago

    

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       Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Please save us from your followers
             And help ALL of them that have lost their way to find it.
            
            Please forgive them for they know not what they do.

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    Jeramiposted 13 years ago

    A misinformed electrician is dangerous.
        A misinformed doctor is dangerous
        A misinformed "anything" is dangerous
    
      Dear Jesus save us from misinformed people.

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    4x4posted 13 years ago

    what is Satan doing?
    The same thing he has been doing ever since his fall.
    
    Will Satan infiltrate the ranks of religion if he can?
    He already did.
    
    How would we know it if he does?
    Everything he will do will keep you away from God.
    
    What keeps him from doing it?
    As I have said, he already did, if you have read the New Testament, Paul wrote about this in one of his writings.

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       Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       4X4 wrote...    He already did
       
          jerami...  when and how did he do this?
       
       and how do we know that he hasn't touched the New Testament?

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          4x4posted 13 years agoin reply to this

          >When and how did he do this?
          For the simple reason that ALL religions are man-made & run by humans.*
          So ALL religions are subject to "inflitration" even by "unforseen" forces. We are talking about "spiritual things" here right?
          
          >and how do we know that he hasn't touched the New Testament?
          Because, the NT tells of his doom and it paints him as the bad bad really bad guy & Jesus as the good good guy who didn't do anything wrong.  But in the off chance that he he did though, he obviously did a bad job.
          
          
          *Jesus didn't establish any religion, he just told his closest disciples some simple instructions, which they did even to the point of death & which some people of today still do.

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             Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             I think that Satan was there when Constantine established a Church for purposes of streightening the empire. 
                
             The Empire tried to eradicate Christianity for centuries. That did not work.  New strategy...  Gather them together into one organization and control them.
                       Get a handle on it.
             
               A governmental type structure was established from the beginning with the Emperor as the ultimate authority.
                The church leaders had good intentions; but it was necessary for them to make a few compromises that turned out to be more costly than expected.
               Satanic forces were at work from the beginning (326 AD)
             
               Basic doctrine remained pretty much intact.
             Two things had to change.
             
               Spiritual authority was established and given to a few men.
               Man came between Man and God.
             
               Understanding of Prophesy had to be taken away in order to hide the fact that prophesy was being fulfilled at that time.
               A few Interpretations had to be accepted as mandated doctrine.
             
             And eliminate all opposition to this New institution.

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                4x4posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                I think you got it all covered and then some.

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                   Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                   I have always wondered why there wasn't more written concerning the philosophies that Jesus taught?
                      There is so little of that mentioned in the New Testament.
                   
                      I truly believe that the MisInterpretation of Daniel 9:21 thru 27  was absolutely necessary in order for the New religion that was created by the Roman Empire to carry out its plans.

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    earnestshubposted 13 years ago

    He is just advertising, promoting, building up a fear base, the usual stuff.

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    MikeNVposted 13 years ago

    I believe he is a Lakers fan?

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       earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Seriously funny! .. except to lakers fans!

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