How do you know God exists ....?
I never said I didn't understand what he said. Just that it was clear as mud
- sandra rinckposted 17 years ago
0Life is an instatution. I can't wait for God to come and take me out of these skins.
My life is what I make it, and your life is what you make it. We are presented with everything - but we see only what we want to see.
If you want to see an institution - you see it. If you want to enjoy your daughter instead - you can do this, too. And then there is no need to flee from here, cause you can't enjoy your daughter there.
Granted, events themselves often don't depend solely on us - but how we interpret events and react to them definitely does.
IDK Sandy, it looks to me you need to enjoy your daughter more and worry about random people doing wrong things less. Just let them. As if God already took you out of your skins. You can't be held responsible for all the evil in this world. In fact even for a tiny part of it - unless you made it yourself.
If you have TV or radio - sell or trash them, so they don't spoil your life with negativity. That's what I did, and I feel much more sane since I got rid of them
You asked the question...
...and you can't tell me you didn't see it coming...from a mile away!
This is only the case if you limit your definition of "answerable". The God I know is not one to be put into a box. I believe if you leave your options open and ask Him specifically to prove Himself to you, He will.
I realize this poses a cart-before-the-horse problem, one which I struggled with for a while, but, if there is a God, wouldn't He be the best source to ask?
Thom - That would be the one
I think Jenny is saying much the same thing.
No apology necessary.
Baby steps. Try that book I was talking about. It doesn't have all the answers but it certainly helped me to formulate the question.- RFoxposted 17 years ago0
Misha:
If you want an interesting experience that might spark something for you try meditating in a room with a large group of people. Or even just sitting in a room while others are deep in meditation. After a short time the energy in the room becomes tangible almost solid (only way i can describe it). I've been lucky enough to meditate in rooms with up to 150 people and if you just relax, close your eyes and expect nothing you might experience something. Many Buddhist temples and organizations have open meditation nights where people gather as a group.
In the States the Chopra center does all sorts of group meditations also.
Forget any of the ideology involved and just enjoy the experience.
Another way to experience the kind of connection Mark and Jenny are talking about is to go hiking in the wilderness by yourself for an extended period of time. Being completely alone surrounded by nature also does something to our senses that can trigger these experiences.
It is the reason why Aboriginals go Walkabout, or Native Peoples have Vision Quests or Buddhists go into Retreat.
There is so much 'noise' in our daily life that if you want to experience this form of connectedness you have to find a way to rise above it or get away from it. Once you experience it a few times by accident you can then learn to trigger it at will, anytime.
I've actually had the opposite problem in my life. I was born connected and had to learn how to control and filter it (hence why I turned to Buddhism.) because as Mark expressed: it makes it difficult to function on a day to day basis when you're that connected.
Anyway hope this helps.
And Thom: According to my beliefs you will be God one day, and then everyone will be worshiping YOU, the Atheist! Lol.Ditto. I would rather be a human than a God any day. Much more fun to be revered on earth than in heaven.
- sandra rinckposted 17 years ago0
- sandra rinckposted 17 years ago0
I like this. Your trying to sell your book, but I am glad I get to read some for free. blessings, Sandra.
You can read it for free on several other threads too sandra.
You answered another question on another thread with exactly the same answer - twice. And a different question with the same thing on another thread. LOL
It is spam.
Better than quoting scripture I suppose.....
LOL Mark, this guy is going to fight and die for his right to post his poem to every single thread here
Misha - LOL I know.
He's a clever as all the other internet marketers. If he'd just done one thread and had a few hubs that weren't two lines of his poetry and an ad for his book it would have gone unnoticed.Yeah,
There is nothing new in this life, and people do repeat the same mistakes over and over and over... One might think a spiritual poet would be an exception - but not, he is like others, tooWhen you post it once - no question.
When you post it twice - people start thinking there is something wrong with you.
When they see you posted a bunch of other poems of yours within the last day, and a bunch of hubs with the same purpose of promoting your book - they know they met the spammerI think that was a good move on your side
But this is not the only mistake you made. Try to read here http://hubpages.com/faq/#what_is_allowed and see how it relates to your hubs.
Hint: by Hubpages definitions, your hubs (at least the ones I looked at) are substandard duplicate content that contains links (including affiliate links) to external sites.
If you don't fix it, this is a sure fire way to get banned from this site...
He is so enlightened he didn't even notice I was actually giving him good advice.
Should it sound like blinded by the too bright light?
mohitmisra, a couple more links for you:
http://hubpages.com/hub/Overly-Promotional
http://hubpages.com/hub/SubstandardWhich is co-incidentaly, one of my favorite songs. (I know - I'm old)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6AFCJ1dLdg
Good driving music.Raven
I will certainly concede that first point. Perhaps if I re-phrase it to - Before we understood fire, humans believed it was from a divine source and created gods who were capable of providing that fire. There are any number of "gods of fire."
Basically because if we don't understand something and cannot control it, it must have been created by a god. And if you go back through the various threads you will see this argument used several times.
This allowed them some degree of understanding and eventually control. Although, I am also prepared to concede that there are limits to that control and it sometimes gets out of hand.
I know how thunderstorms and hurricanes are formed also. I do not "understand," them. Nor am I able to reliably predict them - which I would be able to do accurately if I understood them. But if you understand them and can therefore know the pattern ,direction and form they will take, I suggest you speak to the meteorological people. They will be keen to hear from you.
We have discussed these proofs ad infinitum already and collectively come to the conclusion that one person's proof means nothing to another person.
But if you have some "proof," as based on the dictionary definition that will be able to convince everyone else, I am certainly open to you proving that your particular god exists.
Welcome to the discussionNot sure I would call his behavior in his personal life wise.
And you can borrow this if you like:
Actually, what I found interesting was the fact that you chose to completely ignore that aspect of his life. Not that it is any more or less important than any other part.
But, you cannot take the one aspect without the other. Whether he was a great philosopher or not, he made some poor judgments in other areas that eventually ended with him being castrated and barred from the clergy.
Personally, I am Descartes man myself.
Nice vest by the way.
I am not sure my life has any "value," and I am pretty sure that whowever is doing the judging after I am dead will be doing much as you have done. Picking the bits that they wish to propagate and ignoring the bits they don't like.
I would certainly be interested to know what Abelard thought after losing his testicles. Do you think he would have written off all his other works to get them back?
Speaking personally, that's a glass-is-half-empty situation.
As you are no doubt aware, "History," depends a great deal on who is doing the writing.LOL, fix your hubs self-proclaimed prophet - or you are outta here and don't have place to talk about your enli... whateva
whateva. LOL. leave him be, how do you know he doesn't speak like this regularly?
I see the spam, but how can you be sure that he doesn't naturally speak in this tounge, like in Japanese or Swaheelie ( I don't know how to spell swaheelie) even though they are saying different things, it still sounds like the same repetitive word or sounds.Sandy,
Sure I don't know And I was just pointing out that he has to obey the rules of the place if he wants to stay. He seems to be getting the message, and now we can continue the discussion about enlightenment without the danger of abrupt interruption due to inevitable ban
Mohit,
I seem to share Charlotte's and Mark's feelings on this mostly. As hard as I try I can't recall any prophet who was promoting his own teachings, let alone spamming. For some reason they just said what they had to say, and people flocked to them. Or stoned them. Usually both... later shortly after former... Are you ready for stoning?
Frankly, if not for Sandy's interest in you, I would have written you off already as yet another religious marketer. Given her opinion on what you are saying, I'm willing to keep my mind open and to give you another chance to convince me you are for real
Sure you don't have to. And I am not forcing you in any way. I will just know then that Sandy was mistaken and I was not - that's all what you have to lose.In that case, you can call me Sensei. Or Master, whichever you prefer
You don't need my forgiveness. These are not my rules, I was just telling you how it is. If you want to apologize for jumping down my throat when I was actually helping you out that's a different matter.
I look forward to you sharing the knowledge you have gained and the ensuing arguments
But gamergirl does have a point about the enlightenment/sales pitch. It rather dilutes what you are saying when your apparent aim seems to be to sell your book rather than enlighten others.
Just leave a space before the :
LOL Since I'm MetaGod already, all other titles kinda lose their shine
Actualy Sant Kabir appears to be more than just a regular saint - there is nothing nowadays google can't clarifyLOL - I already had a title but I like this one better. Especially as I already forgot what the old one was.
God/No God - It has a nice ring to it.Well now you see God of No God, God exist because You exist. LOL. Mark, your my favorite God of No God.
- RFoxposted 17 years ago0
mohitmisra:
Yes, many prophets have stated in the past that they are enlightened, however they also all share a common trait.
Their message is more important than themselves!
The Enlightened Ones never SOLD what they were preaching. They gave FREE sermons and instruction to all who would listen. They had infinite compassion for people and were more concerned with others welfare than themselves. They were compelled and moved beyond words to help others even at the sacrifice of their own comfort and safety.
I am not saying you can't sell your poetry and beliefs in book form. The world has changed and we all need to make a living. However, when you are only providing guidance to people who are willing to pay then that's a problem. You haven't stated any clear beliefs on this forum only quoted from your book and suggested people buy it.
Don't you think that if you spread your beliefs and poetry for FREE (and you are truly Enlightened) that people would then flock to buy your book because they would want to be able to read your inspiring words day and night or any time they choose.
Those who are truly Enlightened don't have to SELL themselves, people are drawn to them naturally when they hear them speak.
I for one would like to hear what you think and believe. If it is truly inspiring then maybe I would buy your book. Right now though, the way you are presenting yourself I have no desire to read what you have written.
Just my humble opinion.You're right, I do not know you. I can only see how you present yourself today, and today you appear to be an internet salesperson. Maybe that is not your intention but that is how it is being received.
I am not trying to pick on you either. Just that if you want people to truly listen to your message you're going to have to look carefully at the way you interact on the internet.
This is meant as a helpful observation.The internet is difficult. No-one can really tell your true meaning when it is written in black and white. As humans we need to see facial expressions to truly know how a message should be taken. Without that face to face contact it is easy to misinterpret someones intention. You won't be ignorant for long.
As you have seen here, people will tell you how you are being received. It is a good learning experience. Lol.
Mohit,
How do you keep so youthful in your 710th year of life?
*insert sarcasm smilie here*- sandra rinckposted 17 years ago0
I have met some interesting spiritual people, I met a man who called himself and Apostle, but not by his making, and he too felt he had to defend his name as it came into being his name. His name is Father Robert Burdges, but his name was not really a good one, but it made the people around him who love him happy to call him Father Burdges, why, because he spends his time in Africa teaching the children about life and love and freely helping the people around him. So while there is stigma attached to the name Father, what he shared with me and what I learned from the Spirit about him, is that I was directed towards him if not for only one purpose, that is he had a message to deliver to me.
As for Mohit, I am sure it came about the same way and I don't see any folly with trying to make some money on the side because as it is, we still have to live in the material world, but money matters take away from what and who the person is to become.
Or as I have expressed in other places, with regards to Judas...that the apearance of money, is missleading when it comes to understanding what they have to offer.I know Mohit, I know.
mohit - we are all in a similar boat, but this is not helping your case. Writing poetry, whether spiritually driven or otherwise is generally regarded as a tough way to make a living. I myself have been trying to sell 2 books. LOL
If you want some more free advice - go live in Los AngelesI understand. The books are called "YouCube," and "Kissing Cousins." But I am not holding my breath.
I don't know what life is like in Bombay, but I suspect the chances of selling poetry are at least as slim there as just about anywhere else.
If you are interested, this guy is possibly the best I have ever read on marketing yourself:
http://sethgodin.typepad.com/
But, as you are discovering, jumping in and telling everyone you are a guru and trying to sell them a book at the same time will go down like a lead balloon.
Much better if you come in, say some of your very insightful poetry and wait for some one to come look at your profile and then tell everyone you are a guru.
For all I know, that is what happened in Bombay. You stood on a street corner, some one heard what you had to say and the next thing you know, people are talking about you.
Same thing on the internet. Unless you are in L.A LOL
- sandra rinckposted 17 years ago0
Mark, if you had experienced God, then you wouldn't be telling us there was no God. Therefore, it was a safe bet to say you had not experienced God. ---Keelly
I am really not so sure about that. In my opinion only, I believe that Mark did experience God, and that what he is trying to relate is that we need to live here on Earth together without God or at least with the understanding that us people need to change our attituteds towards one another as humans in the same world to make life a better place. Or as Mark and Thom say: what can God do that We can not do ourselves? Which then I would reply, God gives soul survival after death, which no man can do.
But I could be wrong.Sandra - you are very, very warm LOL
And welcome back Goddess.
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