Most people are affraid of god cause they dont know him .and they are scared of him cause the cant see im ,but thats not true ,you can see him everywhere no matter what and here is some thing to prove it."one night i dreamed i was walken along the beach with the lord .many scenes fromo my life flashed across the sky.in each scene i noticed footprints in the sand .sometimes there were two sets of footprints in the sand,other times there were one set of footprints.this bothered me because i noticed that during the low periods of my life ,when i was suffering from anguish ,sorrow or defeat ,i could see only one set of footprints.so i said to the lord,"you promised me lord that if i followed you ,you would walk with me always.but i have noticed that during the most tryen periods of my life there have only been one set of footprints in the sand .Why, when i needed you the most , you have not been there for me?" the lord replied ,"the times when you have seen only one set of footprints, is when i carried you" this is another reason to beleive in god .cause he will carry you through the tuff times.
Your dreams are proof of god?
Some are not afraid of your god because your god is little more than words in a book written a long time ago by people who believed lightning, thunder, wind, etc. were gods.
What people, Daniel, Ezekial, Jeremiah, and Jonah did not belive, nor did they write that thunder and lightning were gods. Ezekia, in fact saw in vision God riding in his celestial chariot.
Seriously, please check your facts. The authors of the generally accepted Canon of Scripture, 66 books by 40 different authors, were not pagans who worshipped the sun, moon, or weather. The Bible actually teaches us just the opposite. Now if you don't believe the Bible, that's your prerogative, but don't spout off unfounded criticisms of a book you obviously haven't bothered to read.
Speaking of checking the facts, did you not know there were no books as the printing press was not invented yet. Did you also not know people in that day and age did not understand what lightning and thunder were but instead believed it to be gods?
are we to fear God? has any one looked up the hebrew or greek word that was used and found out exactly what the word actually means. king james' people did not allways use the beat word to use,
for example look up the greek word that was used to write about the golden street in heaven, should they have used the word street?
look up the greek word for mansions,
(Proverbs 1:7) The fear of Jehovah is the beginning of knowledge. Wisdom and discipline are what mere fools have despised. The fear of God is healthful; it is an awe and a profound reverence for the Creator and a wholesome dread of displeasing him.
so you state he was carrying you through the wort times. well if he was carrying you , why could you not feel his love ? using a dream as a way of believing in something sort of supports that idea that god is all in peoples heads i would say.
To fear God in hebrew means to reverance Him above all others. God is not evil I John 1:5 states:
1Jo 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
Only man and the prince of darkness bring darness.
Afraid of God? I think not, people are more scary
There is something really magical about the whole footprints thing. I am a spiritual teacher (psychic medium). One day before I was heading out to go to church I saw psychically (clairvoyantly) footprints on my wall!!
I thought, 'what the heck does that mean?!' I've always had paranormal things happen to me my whole life and sometimes...well it is a little ridiculous!!
I get to church and head down to the nursery with my baby. To my astonishment I notice at the end of the steps on the cement floor they had taped down small footprints. With a note on the wall to follow the footprints. I didn't know where I was going but I followed the footprints in total amazement that that was actually happening after my paranormal experience at home. It was kind of like deja' vu.
To my surprise I was led by following small footprints through two hallways to the chosen room where all the children would be for that particular day.
Strange but that's how my life has been. Since then I hold the footprints thing close to my heart.
It had meaning!!
I cling to the belief that everything is going to work out as it should. Actually for the best when we look at the big picture.
I'm not askeard of God! I'm just skeard that I'm not going to like it after it works out the way that ..I.. make it go.
Sometimes we get to going so fast that something has gotta get in the way to slow us down ... so we don't run over the clift. Sometimes runnimg into a brick wall is a good thing.
We don't like it, but it was a good thing.
Just got a Ph. call and gotta go for a bit.. later
Some people are afraid to even admit that God does exist. So many contradicting statements have been made, and some are attributed to the Bible itself. I do agree that the fear of what God might do to you is a factor. Most people don't understand what is even written in the book, even those who preach the word, and very few are prepared to let their defences down long enough to understand, settling with letting others tell them what is there.
I am not afraid of God nor do I fear wht God might do to me.
Why do the people who don't believe in Him, believe Him to be feared?
"are peope really afraid of god or afraid of what god will do to them?"
This is really a great question. I would venture to say that many if not the majority of god-believers in the world believe in god and go through the motions of ritual and ceremony not because of any rational or logical reasoning, but rather because of the emotional (and ultimately irrational) FEAR of what god will do to them if they don't obey.
It is the exact same dynamic as with children: children do not understand right and wrong, but they do understand reward and punishment, and they also understand authority (parents or teachers).
It's too bad that so many adults have chosen such an immature and simplistic mindset to guide their lives.
And, regarding dreams: I had a very vivid dream the other night that I was the richest person in the world. Therefore, I guess it must be true...
Yeah, take away the fear of death and punishment, and there is no REAL reason to serve God.
You make this statement quite often.....
Are you afraid of death or ....
are you looking forward to nothingness?
Actualy that didn't sound nice but I was really wondering.
How to Atheist feel about their impending death? Is there any fear? Thinking there is nothing else at all.
Even if I didn't believe in a God;...I'd still have to believe in some kind of life continuence.
Why? Did you worry about anything before you were born? Technically, you were not alive before conception, were you?
Hay Randy I hope no one took offence. I was just curious.
If there is nothing after death I know that there will be no fear then. But do ya fear this life coming to an end.
This is intended as an honest question.
Don't know why I even thought about that aspect before.
Sometimes the fear of living too long may cancel out the fear of not living long enough. Such would be a person in great pain or either living as an invalid.
Each person deals with it as best they can, I suppose. But to me, life is for living, not worrying about a supposed afterlife which cannot equal this one.
No, I do not relish my dying. But it can't be so very hard, everyone does it!
it is a philosophy.
I see now that you just want to be true to yourself. That is the source with all this god-angst.
Wrong! I just do not want to be true to "you"! LOL!
you don't want to be wise, i see. its too ew.
reptiles and caterpillars fly later on you know...caterpillars do it in a matter of weeks and reptiles were able to do it for a couple of thousands of years. great, now we can eat them.
Sorry for not responding quicker. After a bit I went to work on another hub.
I like your answer.
Like Josey Wells said... Dieing is easy.. It is the living that's hard for men like us.
It's true if you can just realize it! Some people think hell is here on earth. I happen to think it is both heaven and hell. It depends on you which place it turns out to be.
i agree with ya you have a way of puten it and i like it alot.
Well as I see it from my great great granddaddy on, we all just turned into worm food or ashes. Both are OK by me.
Somehow it seems that those with religion assume others are without spiritus or without morality if they accept becoming worm food.
Something about it speaks to me and helps me have a wonderful life using the "religiosity of soul" as Carl Jung put it, to direct a path that does not include religion.
people are not afraid of god. they are afraid of themselves.
Ah, very deep!
But don't you think that many people are indeed afraid of the negative consequences of not obeying god, as it has been described in their religion (thinking mainly of the Abrahamic religions)? And thus, that fear motivates them to do whatever it is they are ordered to do?
they are afraid of their guilt based on an external notion of right and wrong.
they are cut off from self-knowledge.
How can you know they are afraid of guilt?
And, more to the point, that "external notion of right and wrong" originates from their idea of God and/or the religious doctrine in question, does it not?
it can come from any external source.
they are not afraid of guilt. They are afraid of their choices because they are in conflict.
Well, you said just before "they are afraid of their guilt."
I agree that fear can originate from any external source, and in the case of many followers (not all) of these Abrahamic faiths, that external source is God or the religious doctrine, is it not?
you have to trust in yourself to have the faith needed
the consciousness is mainly concerned with itself and itself alone. It organizes only when it finds its center. Most people cannot find their center and so they rely on others to tell them where it is.
but the center exists and it motivates emotions and reactions. so when the center is in conflict with the fake self...fear and conflict such as guilt manifests. and they project it to their notion of G-d.
I like this - SO manifestations of g-d are actually just a mental illness, thought so !
projections of the drama of the consciousness...i however contest that it is not always mental illness. mental illness afterall is just when you cannot translate your inner language of symbolism to "reality" as we agree it is, to the beta state.
what G-d is though is a vast topic.
Or no topic at all. Wanting not to die would appear to be at the root of it all to me, the intelligent translation of a prime life requirement impacting the spiritual soft spot in the brain.
Not afraid of either. Am afraid of some of those who are!
Ever hear the term "God fearing Christian"? I think that says it all......
I have a faith in a life after death that came long before I had faith in a God that created the universe.
I still don't have a definition of what that God is.
And it is written that we never could.
But I know he/it is.... "I AM"
i have played with a couple of snakes in church,
little ones made it into church down stairs where the children are for sunday school and it was my job to get them out, no one else wanted that job
Some churches down here would consider snakes entering a time for fellowship! No kidding!
The last time I saw snakes indoors our cat had found a copperhead nest and was bringing the babies in one at a time. He had a half dozen in the house before we figured out what was going on!
When my eyes first landed on this comment I thought habee said it.
I admit, I've handled a couple of snakes in my day - mostly just harmless little ones.
Nobody goina ask how ya pick up a bunch of rattlesnakes by accident?
Ok I'll tell ya
I was picking up taters when I was a kid... saw what I thought was a bunch of worms under one of the taters and picked up a hand full of them. Moma wouldn't let me keep um tho.
Sorry Jerami! Rattlesnakes are so common here we have heard all kinds of encounters. A local man was struck by a rattler a few weeks ago when he got on riding mower and the snake was lying on the deck. He was elderly and died very quickly. I've killed quite a few lately, a huge canebrake yesterday I almost stepped on.
I haven't seen but a couple of copperheads and a corn snake.
They are with Jesus now. I sent them there. If I had known what that ugly corn snake was I might not have hert him.
Killed it looked under his belly and saw that it wasn't poisoness. Wont kill the next one if I see one.
Sometimes it's hard to tell a corn snake from a coral snake. Do you have coral snakes there? Are you in VA or TX??
I did it by accident one time..
A bunch of rattlers all at one time
Nah, we Presbyterians gave up snake handlin' a few years back. We're animal lovers and decided it was too cruel for the poor rattlers.
Yeah right! Light headed and oh-my-goodness!
I'm goina leave yaul to it. It has gotta be later in virginia than it is in houston huh?
This old man is goina go fall down somewhere and go to sleep
Johnny's co-worker's dad was struck and killed a few weeks ago while he was mowing. The rattler was wrapped around the blade. When the man turned the mower over to repair it, the snake got him.
Nope, we live in town. Now. Randy lives in the boonies. We still have a few snakes here in town, though. In fact, we had a big ratsnake attend our Memeorial Day cookout! We moved him to a wooded area so he'd be safe.
Yes, and I love it. Just today I saw 4 does with the fawns tagging along behind them feeding in the fields. Two of the does had twin fawns about 18 inches tall. A mother raccoon and 4 little ones were crossing the road and of course, many snakes. turtles, and a fox.
This is why I love my new camera. Plenty of photo ops!
They are really crawling now! The one I killed yesterday had been feeding recently and was in an area I walk through frequently. I've gotten to where I can spot them because I know where they prefer to bask in the sun. Snake tanning and rubbing snake oil onto their skin!
RD, do you think the canebrakes are as aggressive as the diamondbacks? The reason I ask is because I've prodded a few canebrakes with sticks and never could get them to even coil up.
You must have prodded them when they were cold because the ones around here are usually very defensive. Neither are very aggressive toward humans but will strike you if they feel threatened or accidentally stepped on.
In the early morning hours before they warm in the sun they will be more listless!
RD, Johnny saw another indigo snake at the hunting camp yesterday. This one was smaller.
Wow! I wish he had taken a photo! I just missed getting a pic of a huge coachwhip a while back. He rose up and looked at me before streaking away. They have excellent eyesight and are very intelligent. The way they look at you is kind of disconcerting, if you know what I mean.
RD, even here in town we have coons, possums, and a fox or two. No deer, though. Grendel hates that dang fox! When I take the pooches out in the middle of the night, the fox stands at the edge of the neighbor's yard and barks at the dogs. One night he followed Grendel around the yard. I think he's lonely.
Is it a red fox or a gray one? The red ones are very social. They always make their dens close to the houses around here so they can scrounge around and eat the dog food kept at most country homes.
Going to Mauk this weekend! I'll tell everyone you said HAY!
It's a red fox. Every time I see it, I think of Hunter's Horn.
Tell the Mauk crew Goober said hi!
i guess, we need to believe something superpower or almighty that can do anything so that we can stay humble in good times and stay strong in bad times..........
The first thing god wants to do to people is have them believe in him. That gets them into jesus' book of life. The next thing god will want to do is clean up their life... and this is what people are afraid of.
I don't see it that way at all. I clean up my life because I take responsibility myself to be a good father, a good friend, an honest trader, a good grandfather.
These people are in my life every day. I don't need instructions from a malevolent invisible totally no-show entity written about by some goat herders telling me I don't love my grandchildren, or know how to be a moral person.
and you still have some cleaning up to do
Christianity isn't about morals, although they come with the territory its about God and this thing called "personal relationship" which means just that, the relationship is personal.
Salvation by works is not the way, all people think they are the best they can be until god comes along.
Hold that thought while I go get a bucket of popcorn. This should be a good fireworks display.
Good for you cousin. Preach it and judge - don't bother living it.
Interesting interpretation you have there. I also do not recall Jesus saying to go out and live it in any way. Yes - preaching and not acting is best. Well done.
Mr. Knowles I find this statement very telling:
" I also do not recall Jesus saying to go out and live it in any way.'
I never would have guessed you two had personal conversations.
Aww - How sweet - I forgot you religionists do not understand the concept of irony. Jesus did not exist and no one has conversations with him. It was a joke to point out the hypocrisy of cousin yochanan. I didn't mean to get your hopes up. Sorry.
I'm not a religionist, but I do understand irony...I think it's ironic that a soap-box , damn it all...atheist such as yourself , listens to what Jesus is saying!
Why? Because I don't believe in the invisible super being I am not capable of reading, understanding and incorporating good things from books I have read - including The Nonsense?
Guess you don't usually read what I write. Oh well.
No - no , good for you...finding good things in books such as the bible are good. Be better to be open to possibilities of imagination also, but - hey!
I haven't read "The Nonsense" is that an atheist book?
No. I have renamed the bible. Sorry - I keep forgetting you guys don't understand subtlety and irony. I will try and remember.
Glad to hear you say that your religion is just a "possibility of imagination" and not something to take as anything other than. Good for you. Maybe we are getting through.
You should call it the Mark Knowles version then.
You guys? - you lump males and females in the same word? boy you are full of subtlety. But don't strain your cells trying to remember.
I try to take things people say at face value and forget that some have more then one.
Who's the "we" getting through, do you speak for more then one or is this one of those irony things?
You will get there in the end. Guys in this sense is a-sexual. Sorry - I should have explained you can call girls "guys" as well. But - great riposte. Love the two-faced passive/aggressive attack as well - very Christian.
I'm not trying to get anywhere...just annoy you.
You can call your girl a guy...most of us girls prefer the feminine.
P.S. See you edited your last post...had to read that sentence again eh...
I can act anyway I want...I'll take your suggestion and give one back go back to "Dear me" and "Oh Dear" Now thats sarcasm. - very atheist
So far out in left field i can't even see the field you are standing in. Every born again christian states they have a personal relationship with the god of the bible. For us, this is fact. For carnal thinking unsaved sinners who claim to be athiest it is a stumblingblock. For us, the cross is a fact. For carnal thinking unsaved sinners who claim to be athiest it is a stumblingblock. There is never any hypocrisy in what i say its just that carnal thinking unsaved sinners who claim to be athiest can't relate.
Good for you mark you have given me an opportunity to enlighten you once again. Christians are allowed to judge or weigh up situations, we need to be able to do this to 'reprove works of darkness'. I'm sure you know the scripture this comes from We are not allowed to pass a sentence as in a court room. If i said you need to clean up because you are going to hell that would be a judgment, but because i recognized the work of darkness that needed to be reproved i simple stated he had some cleaning up to do, if when you read the posts and notice the anger, i am right.
If you knew half of what you think you know you might know some things of value in this forum. Not really a judgment but an observation
And i thought you said whales were your cousin, clearly i am not a whale.
Thanks for stopping by but no thanks for your comment as i know you will not be enlightened. Again another observation and no sentence passed if i had've added because you are thickheaded now that would have been a sentence passed and i am not about to say that.
“are peope (sic) really afraid of god or afraid of what god will do to them?”
Not so much afraid as resigned... I watch the news and live life; bad things happen to good people millions of times every day; this includes kids and babies who are way too young to be “judged”.
This fact could be used to refute the concept of god, but that’s another discussion…
To answer the op.
Some people have always been afraid there is a troll under the bridge of life.
fear of unknown is always there...what if is something which would always generate fear in most cases...
Love God for he loves you. Fear Justice for he could care less and is as a beast on a chain of obedience to his father. A disobedient and spiritually vapid generation has much to fear from Justice or who you would call the Destroying Angel.
The duality of all things, multiplicity, ancestors rise within, speak, and make dreams and visions, clouded by the mists of time. Positive and negative, like the beating of the heart, the thinking of the mind, the blinking of the eye. Energy as in E=MC2 as in, the value of E. Einstein as god.
lol Justice doesn't speak for himself he is usual considered and written about as the rod of His mouth amongst other euphemisms. Justice is an angel not a God and would never consent to being worshiped but in Exodus was a force to be reckoned with all the same. He witnessed and then presided over the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. He stood in the pillar of fire and repeatedly punished Israel when they rebelled against Moses. He consumed the sacrifice of Elijah. These things he did and more in the name of his Father who is God. He is an angel and a voice in heaven of a specific tenor none the less. If you didn't understand that you don't understand your scriptures and blamed your loving Father in Heaven for all that distemper.
well i dont believe in religious god and so fear induced by most religion dont effect me...if god is real i dont think god is something to be sared or feared of...and if god is not there again what is there to fear?...so in both case fear is last thing which should be attached with god...
Amazing eh kelly. You post something wonderful and glorious like that and all the evil venom of satan servers zooms to your doorstep, one moderator away from cursing at you. LOL
sad isn't it.
well pssst, they all failed at christianity probably because they are too evil to be good
God bless you for it.
We the righteousness of God enjoyed reading your post.
Keep up the good work
God loves you and so do those of a 'higher morality' love you to, your christian brothers and sisters.
Thanks beautifully said.
Nice to read a positive post for a CHANGE
You are the higher morality, cousin?
My oh my what a high opinion you have of yourself. No wonder you cause so many wars.
That is what Satan tole me ter tel ya.
Jesus is the "higher morality", how can you not know that?
divisive post as usual mr. mark
people obviously do judge others by themselves.. what i wrote is not about ME.
i have no doubts your heckles stood up and that your flesh dictates what you say.
have a good day, mr mark
You are the one claiming a "higher morality," cousin. And the rest of your attacks on anyone who does not believe as you do is not anything other than divisive.
All your posts are about YOU. You are only qualified to cast judgment in your own name. You are what I believe is called a "false prophet," in your speak.
You are not speaking for Jesus or god, you are speaking for YOU.
What a shame you are unable to see that and will continue to purposefully raise hackles by speaking in this fashion. Then - of course - you can accuse the other person of something for rising to your bait.
As far as I can tell, you have accused and judged just about every one you have spoken to on these forums. I must admit I lolled when you were laughing at some one because you think they are going to burn in hell while you rest in paradise.
Is that what you have learned from Jesus' "higher morality"?
This is what you actually said:
So - you were not saying Jesus has a higher morality, you were claiming that honor for yourself and your christian brothers and sisters.
But - I forgive you for falsely accusing me.
This is why i prefer emails now to trolling the forums. Your comment by the way i just deleted and it did me great pleasure to do so .... feel free to leave another.
When i realized that no atheist really cares about truth and i don't mean biblical truth, although they really dislike that lol, just ordinary truth, basic, human, truth. God showed me Matthew 10:11-15 and said this now applies.
So free i am.
I will pop in occasionally and answer some questions but the bottom line is i will not get into discussions unless i am emailed. I am spending more time with God and you can be chagrined about that all you want.
So you see the higher morality is any christian who doesn't go out of their way to post 'lies' or 'misinformation', it would be one who actually cared if his contradictions were shown NOT to be contradictions, but even in this, the higher morality of atheists parallels the muslim dogma. "Do whatever you have to to acheive the goal". Its not even the high morality you claim, however falsely to aspire to, it is basic human truths that are not in the rules of atheists. Like so many deluded atheists whose bumper sticker says: "Gehenna bound" enjoy your trip
My real brother is a pastor
I'm non Christian; do you have a higher morality than me?
Are you really no better and no worst than me?
No offence intended
I see that nobody has tried to define what they understand "God" to be before discussing it. So does anyone in this thread really know what anyone else is talking about? I think a discussion like this needs to begin with people stating what they take "God" to mean, otherwise everything that follows is pretty much meaningless.
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