The Earth who created it

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haj3396posted 14 years ago
The Earth who created it Jesus or God the father?
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  the pink umbrellaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The Flying Spaghetti Monster Created The Earth. Every one knows this - if you just open your eyes, you will see The Truth of it, because there is documented proof and evidence. Clinging to your old political religion is silly. Grow up - get with The Truth and stop being so closed minded. I genuinely hope you will learn to see the way the World Really Is - instead of this Jesus blasphemy that will result in - No Beer For You in heaven. :
  
  RAmen.
  
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  psycheskinnerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  +1
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  Stimpposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  iy, yiy, yiy...I knew this was coming.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You prophesied it?
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  Kimberly Bunchposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I love it!! Way to go to you!
  
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  Deaconessposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't need your stinking beer, cuz Jesus already promised me that the first thing we're doing together when I get to heaven is get wasted on the fruit of the vine (Mark 14:25)
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  pisean282311posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  who knows and who would know?...scriptures are ideas and science too doesnot have all answers..it is shopping mall..take what u like..from scriptures u can take any..there are many to choose from...
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Waaaaaaay to many choices, I just can't decide.
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  britneydavidsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  what i think better you know first yourself who your are? if you know who you are? you will easily know who is God and who has created us.
  
  Realise your real indentity first.
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  Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The word of His mouth actually created it.
  "...and He said..."
  This entire universe is simple a breath from Creator, this is why He is in all and everywhere.
  
  "..My Words will not return empty (void) but accomplish what I want AND prosper in the reason/logic I send it..."
  
  The word (a portion of himself) became flesh (even as he made man with his breath) dwelling with other men, showing the glory of Creator (as adam did before his choice to know good and evil).
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  pladecqalvoposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why are you assuming a "who"?
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  me
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  nightwork4posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  to say that either god or jesus created the earth is a bit like asking who is the smartest person to ever live and then giving only two choices.
  i think that it was like the big-bang theory. not some spirit but just a colosal explosion that ended up putting together the right ingredience to create life. as the earth aged , evolution set in and tada.... we have our current planet.
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  goldenpathposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Through the power and authority of the Father, Jesus Christ, Adam and others endeavored together to lay the foundations of the Earth. With the formation of man even Mother was an equal architect.
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  stephane86posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus is the Son of God and God is his Father. The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is one of the corner teachings of Christianity.
  
  According to this doctrine, there is both unity and personality in God, in whom there is a union of three Persons, consubstantial with each other and united in their Will and Intellect, and all their Divine attributes and Power. By this virtue, whatever one Person of the Trinity does or accomplishes, the other two participate in the work also.
  
  The Father is the Creator, for it is His particular characteristic as He is the Source of all that Is, and first and foremost of the Word, who is God and incarnate Jesus Christ himself. The Father created all things, but the Son shared in His creative works for He was the Reason for the creation of the world. The Spirit also shared in the work since he is the Love of the Father and of the Son.
  
  In this way, the Creative faculty, although it is properly that of the Father is shared by the other two Persons. By the same reason, although Redemption was the work of the Son, it is also shared by the other Persons who collaborated in his work and guided him during his pilgrimage on the earth.
  
  Therefore, Creation is the work of the Holy Trinity, and the particular work of the Father of Lights, Source of all Things, and of the Greatest Good: Jesus Christ himself, Son of God and Word Incarnate.
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Cagsilposted 14 years ago
Hey Mark, you couldn't leave it alone. It was dying nicely.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have no choice. I must serve the One True God and this abomination of a question irked me. FSM hates dishonest questions such as this and instructs me to Share The Truth.
  
  What is your excuse?
  
  RAmen.
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  the pink umbrellaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Mark, your wrong...me and my half priced melons created the world...lol
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Can you Share Your Testimony for us? Witnessing to Christians can be powerful Juju.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I figure the less of these foolish threads the better.
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  the pink umbrellaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  oh, come on cagsil...join us...i brought koolaid!
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think I'll let Mark and you play with one. I'm going to cozy up with my pillow, considering it is 3:10 am here. You enjoy.
  
  @Mark, have fun.
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  china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  just WTF is this coolaid that everyone on here seems to be obsessed with - am I missing some good stuff out here in China ?
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Onusonusposted 14 years ago
As the Father and the Son are one in purpose, they both made the Earth. Perhaps we can see it as there being one as the foreman and one as the laborer.
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Judah's Daughterposted 14 years ago
Yes, He did. Jesus is God the Father, who is Spirit (the Holy Spirit). Why not read Isaiah 9:6? The rest of the Bible, if you study it fully, reveals this truth. What, do some 'Christians' believe in plural gods? The Bible is clear - there is only One God. Look at 1 Tim 4:10 "For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers."

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word...and the Word was God."
John 1:14 "And the Word became flesh"
John 14:8 "Philip said to Him, 'Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.' Jesus said to him, 'Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?"

DO YOU KNOW HIM?
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Interesting in John 1:1 it says; In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Showing that there were two entities present before the creation.
  
  To be coupled with that statement, the original story of creation in Genesis 1-26 reads; "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:" showing multiple entities present.
  
  Also in several verses of the new testament we find Jesus praying to God the Father declaring such things as; Luke 22: 42 "Not my will but thine be done." Showing that Jesus has distinct will power from his Father none the less keeping true to the "oneness" that the two share in puropse.
  
  Many times in the Bible the word "one" is used to describe unity rather than a physical attachment, such is the case in Ephesians 5:31; "For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh." In this respect a man is not expected to be physically "One" with his wife, but rather to align his path in life with that of his wife, (and vice versa,) that the two may fufill the needs of oneanother and thus become a perfected household unit. Thus marriage is the closest emulation of the relationship that the Father and the Son share. Which is why Marriage and families are so important for our spiritual development.
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  Over The Hillposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why waste your time Onusonus,there is a plethora of scripture describing the attributes of the Father,the Son and the Spirit.People read their Bible but they don`t know what it says.
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think people have a good grasp on the Bible, though nothing of the topic at hand has anything to do with our eternal salvation, ie. faith and endurance in the Lord Jesus Christ, repentance, baptism, and receiving the holy spirit. Everything else is less important.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Funny how that doesn't even register on my radar as having any import. Or, with billions of others.
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It does to me.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, but................
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No pictures please.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I can see how that would confuse you, so I left them out.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Must be awfully lonely.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If you really STUDY the Bible, you will see that word "with" God is 'pros', which literally means 'to' (in both verses 1 & 3). If you look up 'with' (as in beside), it is not in these verses, but is the Greek word 'par'. In John 1:1 the word 'God' (which is theon) is the object, not the subject, to whom the Word was speaking. If you look up 'theon', the root of which is 'theos' (subject) this is what is used in the phrase, "and the Word was God". 'Theos' is the Greek rendition of the Hebrew word 'elohim', which includes angels and magistrates.
  
  You yourself believe that man is 'elohim' (gods - in the plural sense), as man is included in 'elohim'. However, where Mormons have it wrong, is that man does not become a god in and of himself. He is part of the elohim (family of God) when he comes to Christ by faith and is adopted into God's family (Rom 8:15). Look at Jesus' words in John 10:34 "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?" This comes from Psalm 82:6: "I said, 'You are gods [elohim], And all of you are sons of the Most High."
  
  Consider then that God (the Word) spoke to His angels and magistrates when He said, "Let us make man in our image" (Gen 1:26). The angels were created on day 4; man was created on day 6. However, it was not the angels or magistrates that created man, for when we see accounts of man beging created, it is by the LORD (Yehovah) God (elohim)...the Lord of elohim. Confirmed that the singluar of the word God (used in conjunction with the word LORD) is written in Ps 18:31 "For who is God [Elowah] besides the LORD?"
  
  God became a man, and as the 'Son of Man', Jesus was fully man, yet was also fully God, "For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form" (Col 2:9). God is Spirit, the Spirit that conceived Jesus and brought forth God as a man. However, God is omnipresent and was not limited to the body of Christ. For this reason, God was not only the Father of the Son, but was greater than He, for Jesus was made a little lower than elohim (also translated angels) - Ps 8:5; Heb 2:9. This is the meaning of Jesus and the Father being 'one'. Even the husband and wife are 'one flesh' (spiritually). God overshadowed Mary to bring Himself into the world; likewise Adam needs Eve to 'go forth and multiply'. Elohim means (multiply, great, exceeding). This is yet another way man is made in God's 'image'.
  
  Col 1:15 states of Jesus that "He is the image of the invisible God." (Remember, God is Spirit - John 4:24)? I have a hub on this called "GOD: Let Us Make Man In Our Image?" and, if you want to study the One God, I have a hub called "Let Me Tell You WHO GOD IS!".
  
  God created the earth. Since we've addressed John 1:1-2, let's go on with verse 3 (the Word of God being the subject): "All things came into being through Him [the Word], and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being."
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  Rishy Richposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sure!
  
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Because there are so many different interpretations of biblical script there continues to be a multitude of Christian religions which accept a variety of different thoughts concerning the same passages.
  In the respects of Mormon doctrine concerning the potential to become like God, you will note that biblical script agrees with this sentiment as it has never been stated by LDS prophets that we will become equal to or greater than God the Father. However to become Gods is an accurate portrayal when the Bible tells us . . .
  We were created in the image of God
  God is the father of our spirits
  We are the offspring of God
  Christ calls us gods
  Man has become as God
  We will inherit all things
  We will be co-heirs with Christ of all things
  We will have glory
  We will have thrones
  We will be filled with the fullness of God
  We will be partakers of the divine nature of God
  We will be one with God
  We shall be like Him
  Our bodies will be fashioned like His glorious body
  We can gain perfection
  
  Again we believe that man has the potential to become like God and not equal to God. As for the issues concerning John 1:1 I believe that there is error in the translation process of biblical text along with fallacious tampering which has brought us to lack understanding on the physical nature of the relationship between God the Father And God the Son. Thus the constant need for prophetic guidance from above continues to exist for the human family otherwise the world remains in a darkened apostate state.
  JST John:1-1 “In the beginning was the gospel preached through the Son. And the gospel was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made which was made.”
  Note also that in third verse it states “without him was not anything made which was made.” He could have ended his sentence with “without him was not anything made.” and there would be no doubt that God made absolutely everything, end of story. However he added “which was made.” implying that there were some things which were already in existence.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well JST is not in my Bible. Mormonism has changed the meaning of the Bible to fit its doctrines. Unfortunately, much of Christiandom believes God is three entitites. I'm pretty sure your JST uses the word 'with' as in 'beside', which the Holy Bible doesn't. See, both of my statements ~ that Jesus is the Father, and the explanation of John 1:1-2 align. Your doctrine goes against the proof, written down in black and white, the words of Isaiah and of Jesus, that Jesus is the Father. Which is true? I'm staying with the consistency of the Holy Bible.
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Mankind has changed the meaning of the Bible to suit their desires, thus the world continues to remain in an apostate condition. Biblical doctrine is much more accurate and provides an unshakable understanding of the truth when it is interpreted by prophets and apostles who have been ordained of God to restore the truth to the world. There continues to be nothing in the Bible which states that Jesus is the Father, however it does say he was with the Father, otherwise there would be no need for a distinction between the two, he would simply be God, and no extra biblical trinity explanation would be necessary.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What do you mean there's nothing in the Bible that states Jesus is the Father? YOU ARE BLIND! I've already posted the scriptures earlier, and I have hubs, which I won't promote here ~ but, of course, if it's not from Joseph Smith (whose name isn't in the Bible anywhere), you won't listen. So be it. In Mormonism, Joseph Smith is 'a god' now, is he not? Yet, he didn't die for your sin, nor raise himself from the dead! You don't think God would have told everyone of a prophet to come that would change the foundation of the Prophets and Apostles? Wake UP!
  
  The Bible Prophets and Apostles wrote all we will ever need, long before JS came along. Whose names are written on the 12 gates of the New Jerusalem? (Rev 21:12) Whose names are written on the 12 foundation stones? (Rev 21:14) I can tell you that God didn't know Joseph Smith, for his name was not found written in the Lamb's Book of Life. Don't worry, you'll see your 'prophet' again.
  
  Consider the rich man in Hades. He was NAMELESS! However, Lazarus, Abraham, Moses and the Prophets are all mentioned in that account of the afterlife because the LORD knows their names!
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Blindness is a judgment to be made by God and not you, I know what I speak is true by the power of the Holy Spirit. Angels speak by the power of the holy spirit, therefore they speak the words of Christ. It is an undeniable, and distinct feeling we receive when The Spirit of divine truth manifests its self to the individual.
  
  Again concerning the post mortal state of the Prophet Joseph, as it is with all of the prophets of God who have endured in faith and rightousness I believe they will all be consigned to a state of eternal happiness when they are reunited with their bodies to live in celestial glory forever with their creator, To be Heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, to be changed to the same image from glory to glory, for when we see him we will be like him, thus we will be like God.
  
  God knows all of his children, he knew us all before he formed us in the womb and yes he knew Joseph as well. I didn't see your name written in the book of life however I will not make any assumptions one way or another untill the day comes when the lord has judged us all.
  
  I find it simply amazing when I see those who believe in the Bible but refuse to fathom the possibility of apostolic authority to be the guide post of God's people in the last days. It's much like seeing a traditional Jew who is immersed in old testament theology and yet refuses to acknowledge the fufillment of those promises in Jesus Christ. I continue to see many biblical prophecies fufilled by my church alone, the restoration of the Priesthood, the building of Temples, the gathering of the church, and the gospel being spread to all nations kindreds and tongues. None of which can be accomplished without the priesthood of God, and no man can take this honor upon himself unless he is called of God as was Aaron.
  
  "BLIND" is infact the exact opposite of my spiritual awareness, I believe in Christ as I believe the sun will rise, not because I see it, but by it I CAN SEE!!!!!
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Gal 1:8 "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!" What do you think of Edgar Casey, who says the 24 elders in heaven are the 24 brain stems in our bodies? Now, it's very interesting, if you do research on this man who made more prophecies than Nostradamus while in a hypnotic state...in that he, too had an angelic vision in the woods as a teen-ager ~ just like Joseph Smith. You do believe in fallen angels, right? And that Satan disguises himself as an angel of light? Are these truths in your BOM?
  
  You try to claim that signs and wonders are happening within the Mormon church ~ you KNOW Jesus said false prophets will show many signs and wonders that will deceive (Mat 24:24). Did not Pharaoh's magicians do the same signs that Moses did? (Exodus 7).
  
  Of course my name's not in the Bible, nor is yours. You don't claim to be a prophet of God who would give 'reformed' revelation to start a new doctrine, write another 'bible', etc. do you? That was my point. If Joseph Smith would be given 'the way' in the 'latter days', his name should have been in the Bible.
  
  We have Revelation, which tells us what is to come, so why not tell the world about JS? He's not even one of the two final witnesses of God, for they will be killed at the same time by the Antichrist and their bodies left out without burial, then be resurrected for all the world to see. The only other 'prophets' mentioned to come in the Bible are false ones.
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This belief is firmly rooted in tradition, not the Bible. The Bible teaches the opposite of this traditional belief. "Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets." (Amos 3:7) God has always had direct dealings with man, through the prophets and through revelation. "Am I a God at hand, saith the Lord, and not a God afar off?" (Jer. 23:23) The Lord is the one who directs His Church, not man. This is accomplished through prophets. This is the process God uses, and has used since the time of Adam. "As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began." (Luke 1:70) Since "God will do nothing" except through "his servants the prophets" and He is, after all, "at hand" and not "afar off," and prophets have been "since the world began," it is only logical, and biblically correct, to expect God to have the same relationship with man today.
  
  Christianity claims that God does not change. This is a statement that Latter-Day Saints agree with. Yet, while making this claim, most of Christianity says God has changed. They claim we do not need prophets because Christ came and finished establishing and directing the "church." Christ did not come to do away with prophets, as traditional Christians claim. "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, til all be fulfilled." (Matt. 5:17-18) How important are prophets? If there were no prophets, mankind would be destroyed, in a spiritual sense. "Where there is no vision, the people perish." (Prov. 29:18)
  
  Just because someone claims to be a prophet does not mean that we should automatically accept him as such. You are correct in the unwritten premise that we need to test modern prophets against what the Lord has already revealed in scripture. Your problem however, is that in accepting the traditional belief that there can be no more prophets, you then twist the words of the modern prophet, and ignore the words of the past prophets, in order to justify your traditional belief.
  
  You are correct that Satan can transform himself into an angel of light (2 Cor. 11:14). and since many of the appearances of beings who have appeared to Joseph Smith and others in Mormonism were usually associated with light, the Mormon supernatural manifestations you assume they are of Satan.
  
  There are dozens and dozens of scriptures that refer to God and Christ with the word "light." For example:
  
  Christ is the light of the world. (John 1:7-9)
  "God is light." (I John 1:5)
  "[God is the] Father of lights." (Jas. 1:17)
  Moses and the burning bush is another godly example.
  When the Lord came at the time of Paul's conversion, "There shined round about him a light from heaven" (Acts 9:4).
  Satan, in the cited example, disguised himself as an angel, a heavenly being, to attempt to give himself credibility. But this does not mean that all appearances of a being clothed in light are satanic.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Any Prophet of God would not contradict the prior Prophets. You not only do not believe Jesus is God the Father in the flesh; in fact, since you DO believe Jesus is Lucifer's brother, and since Lucifer is an angel, Jesus must be, too...I mean, the FACT that you believe God had godess wives in heaven and that God was first a human being of flesh and bone who graduated to become the highest God is ludicrous! I could go on and on...how is it all you Mormons were born in heaven before you were born on earth? Who were your 'parents'? WOW! NONE OF THIS IS IN THE BIBLE.
  
  You don't even understand what you've written in Matthew 5:17-18! Let's write these verses here, and understand that Jesus had not died on the cross yet when He spoke these words:
  
  "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill (which is the Greek word pléroó - to accomplish, to make full, to complete). For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished."
  
  Hebrews 7:28 “Moses' Teachings designated mortals as chief priests even though they had weaknesses. But God's promise, which came after Moses' Teachings, designated the Son who forever accomplished everything that God required.”
  
  Yes, the word for Satan's 'light' is the same as Jesus' 'light'. The fact that your 'prophet' does not teach what the Prophets of the Bible did, clearly points out that he is FALSE. It's your CHOICE to follow the lie.
  
  Isaiah, the Prophet of God said in 9:6, "For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace." Jesus is God in the flesh, the very God that created all things, even you, from the dust of the earth, as it is written in John 1:3 and Gen 2:7. Don't dethrone Him!
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Please try not to be so presumptuous concerning my Beliefs, you have read nothing about what my religion truely believes accept what the Anti-Mormon websights have told you. Some of the doctrine which they produce is based on peoples opinions and are hardly ever actual church doctrine. There is nothing in cannonized LDS doctrine which touches on the so called "Multiple wives of God." We believe that we are sons and daughters of God which is completely congruent with the Bible, the fact that LDS prophets elaborate on details which are not present in todays bible, does not mean they are in contradiction. There are plenty of things in the physical world that mankind has discovered which were never mentioned in biblical texts and yet we still believe in it. It is simply something that can not be proven or disproved one way or another, and can only be leveled out to the individual by the teachings of the holy Spirit through fasting and prayer.
  
  Since Jesus is one with the Father in all of the attributes of perfection, and since he exercises the power and authority of the Father...the Father puts his own name on the Son and authorizes him to speak in the first person as though he were the Father. Since Christ may be spoken of as "the Father" in a great many senses, the modern Saints refer to God the Father as Elohim, and his Son Jesus Christ as Jehova to avoid ambiguity, regardless of which 'role' of a divine Personage is being discussed.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Okay, forget the 'multiple wives' and just stick to a 'spirit Mother'. You didn't deny the rest of what I wrote. We're off topic, and I'm not going to keep on contending with you; the Bible tells me to move on.
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Though the LDS religion infers the existance of a maternal counterpart to God, the idea of a mother in Heaven plays virtually no role in LDS worship or teaching.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Written by a-train: http://www.lds.net/forums/christian-bel … eaven.html
  
  "Yes, God the Father has flesh and bones. He lived a mortal life just like Jesus and rose to immortality and eternal life just as Jesus did. After having done this, He begat countless spiritual children. He ultimately brought these children to a grand council in heaven.
  
  In the grand council, God the Father outlined important future possibilities and His Plan for His spirit children. He told us that He would create an earth and we would go there and be tested to see if we will do His will.
  
  The earth was ultimately created and the spirit children of God the Father obtain physical bodies as they are born here on the earth. Our spiritual existance with God before our birth is called by LDS folks: the premortal existance or the antemortal existance.
  
  We know that our spiritual birth in our premortal existance was brought forth by a mother. That is about all we know about this mother. We know no name for her. We also know that the spiritual body we obtained in our birth into the premortal realm is an item of substance. The spirit body is material, but it is material made up of matter that is finer or purer than anything discernable with the naked eye.
  
  We do not know the actual process whereby our heavenly mother brought forth our spirit body. It is possible that the process could be very similar to the process whereby the physical body is formed, but it is just as possible that the process is entirely different. We simply don't know.
  
  All that we do know is that this spirit body was in some manner given to us by our Heavenly Father through some virtue or action of our heavenly mother." FALSE, FALSE, FALSE!! While active Mormons mask the deception of their doctrine to their members and do so also to deceive multitudes, ex-Mormons tell it all!
  
  The only 'sons of God' God created in the heavens were angels, and 1/3 of them fell to the earth. Is that what the LDS are? God has a one and only 'begotten' Son, and that is Jesus Christ. He would not be called 'only begotten' (John 3:16), if the LDS doctrine were true. God did not 'beget' any other 'spirit children'. He created the angels (Day 4) and He created man - from the dust of the ground (Gen 2:7).
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  There are several flaws in what was discussed by those people however you still fail to provide any cannonized LDS doctrine on the subject, what is implied there is made up to be shocking beliefs held by the Church. Doctrines on the fringe of LDs theology deceptively brought to the center of our beliefs in order to persuade others that we are not "True Christians" however this tactic proves to me that those who waste so much time and effort tiwsting the truth in the name of Christ are in fact not Christ like in the least.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  People need just to read the Bible to know a false doctrine, NOT read the Book of Mormon and then twist the Bible to 'fit' it. How does one recognize a counterfeit bill? By studing the true one to the enth degree. Not the other way around. I've shared enough with you ~ and those who are reading can and should research the roots of Mormonism and its doctrines and rituals for themselves.
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  In order to study the roots of Mormonism I would suggest reading from the texts which we actually consider doctrine instead of just surfing the internet for a bunch of random accusations. Anyone can see that Mormons for the most part lead Christ centered lives. The true test of a prophet is seeing the friuts of their teachings, and the influence they have for good on the people who follow them, by this you may know weather they are sent by God or not.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's exactly the conclusion we came to with the bible itself.
  
  Will the real god please stand up?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Does that count as contending?
  
  I love it when two religionists go at each other over who knows what the Invisible Super Daddy sed best. Powerful testimony. Thank you. Do it some more.
  
  The bible teaches you to move on huh? LOLOL Once again - thank you very much - It is people like you taught me the truth about the Invisible Super Daddy. Moving on and not contending is the same as shouting "FALSE!!" Just a question of interpretation I guess and "not contending" does not apply when there is a falsehood to shout down?
  
  Personally - I don't see their inane assertions as any more or less ridiculous than your threats of eternal damnation for those of us who refuse to "wake up" to the love you are sharing.
  
  Bet you don't really speak ancient Greek either.
  
  RAmen.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Engaging in debate with you isn't even worth the effort, Mr. Knowless.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I can see why you would think that. I do tend to tell the truth a lot.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You mean 'the hturt'.
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Say you love Jesus or I'll tweeze out your mustache hairs one at a time.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Try it, big boy.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Which bible?
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  None that I'm aware of.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  1 Tim 6:20-21 "guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge, which some have professed and in so doing have wandered from the faith."
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  Rochelle Frankposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If you make it complicated enough people will fall asleep or walk away.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  God wants us to 'wake up' (Rev 3:2 "'Wake up, and strengthen the things that remain, which were about to die; for I have not found your deeds completed in the sight of My God.") ~ this is a complicated subject because religions have made it so. Consider panning for gold. It's hard work, but it is worth it. Study; it's a matter of life and death. I've shared my study results to give a 'clue', if nothing else. Take it and run with it, or run away from it; it's up to you.
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  ggordieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Geez, JD. You certainly are opinionated. Maybe even a little stupid. The Father and the Son are one in that they are more or less the same person. They are two separate entities though. The bible says not to worship other Gods/Idols. It does not say that other gods don't exist. Jesus is A God. not THE God.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Except that Yehovah (the LORD God) said, "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me"; it doesn't mean we worship Jesus as another god. Get it? If Jesus is not God, we shouldn't worship Him at all...as some cults believe ~ that's why they're called 'cults'.
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  ggordieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  My reply to you:
  
  http://hubpages.com/hub/A-Deeper-Look-a … istian-God
  
  Just as I promised.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you, ggordie :-) I have replied and am praying for you, to Yehovah, our Savior and High Priest. Our Father called me to come home, and I believe He's calling you, too :-) from one foster kid to a homeless one...come home.
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Stimpposted 14 years ago
Perhaps a list of topics that have been done to death. "Death by Doneness" we'll call it.
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EnglishMposted 14 years ago
The universe 'made' the Earth. The universe made the absolute beginning of all life; the first of all life in the universe. The 'oneness' we call God.
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Flightkeeperposted 14 years ago
God
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climberjamesposted 14 years ago
The big bang?
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
The question makes no sense.

"What created the earth" would have been a better question.

The only available answer to your question is implied in the question itself.

"The sky fairy" is the answer you seek, and that is patent nonsense!
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  Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ..Putting Earnest down in the 'undecided' column
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ever reliable Greek One.
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habeeposted 14 years ago
Don't you guys know anything?? Earth was created by Gaea!
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I knew there was a woman in their somehow.
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habeeposted 14 years ago
Perhaps I taught Greek mythology a little too long!
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You do have a good handle on it. I always enjoy the banter with you habee. There is always humour and acceptance in your god-botherin.
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raisingmeposted 14 years ago
Heart did it and left a little h at the end so it ended up being Earth
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habeeposted 14 years ago
Funny, Earnest. I enjoy talking to you, also! I'm glad we can disagree on things and remain friends. I have a lot of respect for any man who is so devoted to his family and grandchildren. I never want to bother people with my personal views on religion. I just don't see how that would help spread Christianity - it seems to me that it would have the opposite effect! I totally support freedom of religion, along with the freedom to not follow any belief system. I think it's all very personal, and each human has to choose his own course. One of the most altruistic people I have ever known was an atheist!
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Cagsilposted 14 years ago
And people have the nerve to say that religion doesn't cause conflict with each other......
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Twenty One Daysposted 14 years ago
Tradition: old law.
Bible: new law.

One has robbed Peter to pay Paul to pay their ways --opps, whey, oops, way... Ah, religion, knowing chapter upon verse better than any; not understanding a single line of it...
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
Is this the "my god is bigger and better than your god" forum?

A good fight over who is the only true fairy?
Love it!
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  At least you can see that Mr. Mormon's god and my God are not the same, as they claim.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Along with many hundreds of gods, as claimed.
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Judeo Christian God? Jesus died on the cross for the sins of the world so that we all may be resurrected and gain eternal salvation? That one? Yes
  I do believe in the same God as you, I just don't believe that he is as merciless as you do.
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh yeah, and i believe that Jesus is the only begotten son of God. Other than that, not really much of a difference.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You don't believe Jesus IS GOD. Therefore, we don't serve the same God.
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  yes I do, Just a seperate entity from God the Father. All in all it's basic Christianity. Lets not hide behind the guise of monotheism by using made up terms like trinity.
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  Judah's Daughterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What does monothesim mean? ONE. Polytheism is what you believe...more than one God. You have God and then Jesus as a lesser god. It is you that doesn't believe in ONE GOD. I do not support the "trinity" doctrine, if people separate the Father, Son and Holy Spirit like Mormonism does. Messianic Jews do not believe in a "trinity" (polytheism) either. I have a hub you can read called "Let Me Tell You WHO GOD IS!" If you even want to know the LORD who created the heavens and all that is in them and the earth and all that is in it...even you...from within your mother's womb, as He designed. No man was 'begotten' (born) before he was formed in his mother's womb. I had my daughter's name in my heart four years before she was conceived. It doesn't mean she already existed.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The fact that your personal beliefs may clash with his personal beliefs in that regard, they are still just beliefs, and you cannot claim to actually know who god is just because you personally don't support a particular doctrine.
  
  He may be right, you may be right, or you both are wrong.
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Very true, the difference being thast I don't believe that you are going to Hell forever because you believe differently.
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Again you are mistaken, I do believe in ONE GOD, just not the same way that you assume that their relationship is physically. And I never said that man was begotten before he was born in the mothers womb. I simply believe that the spirit is immortal, and it is only common sense to believe that if something can live forever in eternity then it is only logical to believe that it had no beginning.
  You had your child's name in your heart before she was born, but you did not know her. However God knew her before she was born. She was a spirit that lived with God, decided to follow Gods plan to gain a body, go through the trials of mortality, learn and grow through experience, and later die to be ressurected, to have her spirit joined together with the flesh and become a perfected, immortal being. Mortality in of itsself is corrupt. Immortality however, is uncorrupted, flawless, and glorious.
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Italmeansumthinposted 14 years ago
The mother and the father. I call this term God. She is in everything and in everyone. Both the lady and the lord are responsible for our creation.
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Teresa McGurkposted 14 years ago
The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible.
- Bertrand Russell
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
I am shocked by the blasphemy on this forum!

We should all know by now. The FSM made the world, and those who disagree will not only do without beer in heaven, they will become noodleless as well.
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  Italmeansumthinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  People's beliefs are not blasphemy just because they are not your own. We can not point our fingers and say this is right and this is wrong. I do not judge people. Nobody should. Your God, my God, gave us freewill and the right to choose what we believe and what makes us happy. If believing different from you, makes me happy, that's all that matters.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't do god. Read up on the FSM and give your sense of humour a run.
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  Italmeansumthinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ok so I had no idea what FSM was..I guess I took the other comment too seriously, sorry about that.
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