All religion and man made philosophy have one thing in common
If I am expecting a place in Heaven, then God makes room. Who ever wants to can do the same.
Mohit - Thank you for responding. I have a couple of suggestions that I don't expect you to take seriously, but they are seriously offered:
1. Stop calling yourself Poet Mohit. Let others call you poet if they want. No real poet uses poet as a title.
2. Submit some of your best work for publication by a respected poetry journal where it will be scrutinised 'blind' by an editorial panel in open competition with the work of many others. Let me know how you get on.
3. My earlier suggestion - learn to practise a little humility as befits a holy man. Bombast is unbecoming in an enlightened one.
Good luckhmm, how about Mohit?
It may help if you expand on your question - right now it does not make any sense to me.
Lmao, best quote ever!
- sandra rinckposted 16 years ago
0Why are you guys pickin' on the Poet Mohit?
He asked us to.
If you read my poetry book, "Pander Awhile, I am enlightened and ego-less," I say:
The bible doesn't rythme,
pander awhile and in time
you will see
it will set you free
This book is available from all enlightened ebook sellers
Saint Mark AIPP, CMT, NCTBHuh? I thought I understood Sandra's question. Right, Sandy?
I did not pretend to answer original question. I still don't understand it. However, I think I was able to understand Sandra's question, and this is what I answered, and this is what you quoted
Pretending to be what? A Poet? I think he writes lovely poetry. Maybe you mean pretending to be an enlightened being? If that is the case, maybe your thoughts on enlightenment or what this means is different that what I consider enlightened. I guess I don't always agree with the books on what it is, but what could an unenlightened indavidual as myself know about enlightenment considering I am still sitting in the dark because I haven't read enough books.
Enlightened ones write the books, curious ones read the books and regurgitate someone elses 'knowledge'. That doesn't exactly equate to enlightenment.
All enlightened indaviduals come at the cost of humiliation, but I guess people are asking him to announce it to the world so you can get your kicks off of human emotions. Oh wait, I know, it must be because he is proud of his work as a poet and proud that he was number 1 for poetry.
In anycase, I have see far worse comments made by a lot of people, and to be honest, if this is coming from his comments to Mark, well....it isn't like Mark hasn't left a few comments of his own that were considerably more distateful than anything Mohit has ever said.Sandy, and you are asking why people don't like this guy? The answer is above - he always pretends to be better than other people, and now he is pretending to be the most intelligent one around.
It is called arrogant on my books, as well as pretending to be enlightened and selling your enlightenment $2.40 a piece
While I had some doubts at the beginning, by now I am pretty much sure he is not.
Just another religious spammer... smarter than the average, but still spammer...I was not even talking to you.
I was talking to Sandra, and you interfered.
As for enlightenment - I have enough life experience to tell with high accuracy genuine enlightenment from pretending. One even doesn't need any life experience in your case. Just one tiny thing gives you up with crystal clarity - not a single prophet SOLD his word. But most if not all false ones did.
No-one's arguing with that.
That's true too. But you can encourage the signs of intelligence by positive feedback and gently discourage seemingly unintelligent behaviour.
Engineer Paraglider
I wasn't. I was offering some suggestions on how to be taken seriously as a poet. So far he hasn't responded, but that's OK
- RFoxposted 16 years ago0
Paraglider: Your remarks are well thought out, helpful and to the point. If anyone is enlightened here it is you.
As to the original question: It assumes that all religious people are striving for heaven and peace upon death and this is simply not the case.
Heaven is irrelevant to me and death comes to us all.
Death reminds us that life is a precious gift.
I look for peace within the moments of my daily life. Living in the present (not the past or the future) is how I believe I can come to know peace, however, this is a very difficult thing for most of us to accomplish.
And mohitmisra: Paraglider is giving you good advice in a compassionate, helpful manner. Wise people always listen and never stop learning.I have no answer for you on this.
I hope everyone here finds peace however they can.
- sandra rinckposted 16 years ago0
ok, I see what you guys are saying now. Let it be the way it is ya know.
I wonder, why they call a folley a folley? Sandra - Even you would admit I am pretty selective about the people I insult.
Mohit - I, like Misha, also have a considerable amount of life experience. I have traveled the world, including your part of it. I am also aware that in your part of the world it is not unusual for people who consider themselves enlightened to sell their enlightenment. Or at least generate food from it.
As I told you before, you would have more luck in L.A.
But, I have yet to meet some one I consider enlightened who would attack me in the fashion you have done. You are nothing more than a spammer and incapable of listening to good advice when you are given it. I helped you when you first arrived because you would have had your account deleted if you had continued in the way you began.
You will be able to find many more people to take advantage of and sell your enlightenment, but it is unlikely to wash here.
If anyone has an ego problem, it is you. Arguing in this fashion is unlikely to convince anyone of anything. I really don't think I have ever met anyone as full of hubris as yourself. I realize you have stopped responding to me. I understand - I am very difficult to fight with. Especially with words, which is how I make my living. Which is why you resorted to attacks.
If you read my poetry book, "Pander Awhile," all will become clear. (Available from all good ebook sellers)
Saint Mark, AIPP, CMT, BscsGood night all - I'm off for an enlightening beer
A nice cool Pinot Noir for me.
Night.
Misha - Zen Buddhist monks have been doing it for ages and many "gurus" do it. But, usually with a little humility.
Sadly lacking in this case.Let's test if our poet just has to have the last word
- sandra rinckposted 16 years ago0
Another stupid joke...
How does one know when he has become enlightened?
When he passes gas and calls it uplifting. LOL.
Bad joke, I know, but it is making me laugh right.
I guess you haven't figured it out yet, lol. This tread is still on the subject. The answer...human stupidity, ignorance, and laughter. Try it out!
plus some others but hey...
I am still weighting for the other religious spammer who started the thread to drop by and tell us how it is
If you just buy my book of pottery, "Pander Awhile." you will understand. In it I say things like,
"Roses are red, violets are blue,
this is proof that god loves you."
It all rhymes and everything, like an enlightened pottery book should. (Available from all good ebook retailers)
Saint Mark CMT, AIPP, NCTMBROTFLMAO.
That is now my favorite poem. hilarious.My pleasure. Feel free to sell it in an ebook anytime.
- sandra rinckposted 16 years ago0
That's good to know. Thanks Mohit.
Sandra, you have made some interesting references/intuitions here that I can connect with. Some of the spiritual teachings I have read and connected within myself are similar to what I "feel" you are saying. Like, "we are basically fire". A term i have learned, is calling chi/prana/ kundalini energy, the sacred fire (of God). There are aspects of this sacred fire that manifests as some of the rainbow ray colors of the white light through/as our chakras for healing and clearance of "impure substance" (karma/sin).
This sacred fire literally (as literal as spiritual fire can get !) burns out the karma. I had always seen hell fires as having a purpose, metaphorically speaking, to "burn" out sin/karma.
And in the system I like most, love does arise from the heart, for it is in a spiritual dimension near the physical heart, where "God" resides. Where the Energy/God comes into animate all levels of physical being...but it is the mind area that is ignited with illumnination of God awareness of Life and the solar plexus area registers our comfortability in these earthly realms. And we tingly as we realize this Energy coming into, flowing through our being.
I don't fear death. But I am not going home. Home is here. Now.
When you become enlightened, you will understand. I suggest a different meditation technique.
Saint Mark CMT, AIPP, NCTMB Professional writer and humorist
Lol.
So I'm back and I need to clear up a few things that our dear Poet has espoused about Buddhist philosophy because I don't want the Dharma being misrepresented.
He stated: "The buddhists call earth a dimension of hell." We don't call Earth a dimension of Hell. The human rebirth is the most valued and revered as it is the one from which you can achieve enlightenment the easiest. This is due to the fact that humans have free will. (Going to Heaven is not as important as a Human Rebirth.)
If you want to delve into Buddhist Cosmology (which by the way is not a major part of our religion unless you are a Tibetan Buddhist) then here are the 6 levels of rebirth in Samsara:
1. The Heaven Realms (birth as a deva, or god-like being)
2. The Human Realm
3. The Realm of the Fighting Spirits (Asuras)
4. The Animal Realm
5. The Realm of the Hungry Ghosts (Peta)
6. The Hell Realms
Notice how 'The Human Realm' is one from the top in the cycle of birth/death and the Earth itself can contain all levels of existence from Heaven to Hell.
Next he stated: "The Buddhists on death
1. A Buddhist’s life is practice for death – cultivating positive, happy virtuous states of mind and abandoning non-virtuous, harmful, suffering states of mind.
A Buddhist's life is spent in the pursuit of Enlightenment. If you have not achieved Enlightenment before your death, then your state of mind at the moment you pass is extremely important to your next rebirth and continuing path to Enlightenment.
2. Death is definite but the time of death is indefinite so a Buddhist aspires to be ready by being mindful of the preciousness of life and the uncertainness of its length.
This statement is true. We do meditate on death so that we are in a peaceful state whenever it arrives. Death should hold no fear. It is merely a transitory state just as life is.
3. Death is an opportunity for great spiritual achievement if one is prepared and remembers one’s spiritual practices and beliefs / understandings during the death process."
Every moment is an opportunity for great spiritual achievement. Death is no more significant than life. Remembering your spiritual practices and beliefs at the moment of death is important because you want to be reborn with that knowledge in your next existence. Also you want to have a peaceful mind while passing as it makes the transition easier and your spiritual practices help in this regard.
The above statements "The Buddhists on Death" were taken word-for-word from The Amitabha Hospice Service website. The reason I clarified the statements is because they are taken out of context and may be misconstrued by the way our 'Poet' presented them.
mohitmisra is not well versed in Buddhist philosophy nor does he have an understanding of the Dharma or Buddha Nature (despite what he might say.)
Just needed to clear that up.Yes, thinking about the levels of consciousness and dimensions of existence is mind blowing...(pun intended)...Lol.
In my opinion clinging to material possessions at the expense of people causes no end of suffering. It is attachment at it's most obvious.
Of course I make money off my art and would love to make more and many religious people sell their advice and that's totally okay. Who doesn't love to make money from their passion in life? It's the intention behind your actions that is the most important. It's all about intention.
And if your intentions are selfish, fraudulent, deceptive, then you will heap suffering upon yourself. If your intentions are honest, kind, compassionate, giving, then you will feel freedom.
Just my two cents.RFox -
Thank you for stepping in and clearing a few things up. One word you have used makes all the difference:
intentions
Sometimes it is hard to see the intentions behind actions, other times clear as day.
Thanks
Lol. Wow, thanks Crash Jones!
I really enjoyed reading your hub on Trash and Mementos...too funny. Can't wait for more.
And there are a number of other lucid Eastern Philosophy people here, they just hide well. Lol.
In fact SparklingJewel has some interesting hubs. Gotta run. Time for supper! Yum....
You're welcome Gamergirl!
I would never pretend to be an expert on Buddhism as it is so complex and depending on what lineage you follow sometimes so different, but there are certain basic fundamental principles that are true across all styles and lineages and it's important that these philosophies aren't misrepresented.
OK, you lost me with this mysterious "Mo". Moses? Mohit? Both? Something else? IDK
Oh, and I don't consider Christian priests (and any other priests or monks for that matter) "enlightened" en masse.He's referring to Mohit.
I don't believe in en masse "enlightenment" either in the sense that you mean Misha and I don't think that's what Crash Jones means either. Wow, what a convoluted sentence. Lol.Yep, constant learning is a fun state to be in. I was reading up on Taoist philosophies the other day. Very interesting.
The Universe couldn't care less what you do.
What I did, my friend, was make a little joke, at the same time hinting that your word choice was not helping your case. 'retarded'? You won't win much support that way
- Zarm Nefilinposted 16 years ago0
My pleasure
Paraglider, your poetry is always nice. Thank you.
Maybe it will change the mood of the thread, maybe.
I'm not even going to respond to anything else from Poet Mohumorless. It's totally pointless.
Where's Misha with some wisdom when we need it?Gamergirl, Crash Jones -
Thanks for the kind words
Mohit -
Yes. I write quite a lot, but mostly under my real name, of course. ThanksWow Rachelle, that's a nice one. I really envy your clarity
Just one sort of disagreement - I don't think Stalin's goal was to kill people. I think he had different goals - but, yeah, his goals were not achievable without killing lots of people. Still, this was not the goal all by itself.
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