That is the good news....
No matter how ragged you life, no matter how nasty your attitude, no matter what you have thought to do, or for that matter what you actually have done. He has forgiven all of us and all we have to do to experience His love is to receive it......
He delights in overwhelming those who hate Him with His love....
Unfortunately, to me this just sounds patronising. I certainly don't need saving, and neither does anyone else I know.
I respect that these are your beliefs, but it is unlikely that you are ever going to change another person's thinking or faith with this sort of statement.
Leslie, all I have to say about this thread is.................eat my shorts!
Ernestshub..
That just really sounds nasty....yuck!
Actually I reckon that Bart Simpson has life pretty much figured out.
He seems to understand his environment well!
earnestshub,
That was a pretty good retort...touche'
I'll think of something witty and get back to you......
Why do you foolishly think we "hate"?
I doubt the man ever existed, but the non-religious aspects of his suposed teachings are admirable and I would expect that almost all atheists and humanists would agree with that. Take out the religious malarkey and you have very pleasant, kind, and tolerant philosophy - amusingly, it is almost never what Christians practice as they tend to focus on the sky fairy aspects and ignore all the inconvenient tolerance that they dislike so much.
Ask the other atheists and I expect you will hear the same answer. You would also find that, as a group, we would be more in tune with that non-religious part than Christians are as a group. We are usually tolerant, generous and forgiving - of course so are some Christians, and I admire them also (while still poking fun at their silly beliefs).
'And ye harm none, do as ye will.' I think the wiccans got it right. Why did it take the christians a whole book to say basically the same thing but with more venom?
Pcunix,
Don't ya just love the English language....
I didn't describe you as one who hates.....you did. If the shoe fits than wear it, it if doesn't than there's nothing you need to defend...
I love the English language and nowhere does he say he hates anything.
It might get you to some understandding of something outside of your own ego if you stopped making flip, irrelevant, smug and mindless comments to people who take the time to post thought out responses to your nonsense.
The problem is when he delights in hating those who are indifferent to his love.
Your statement lacks knowledge and wisdom of life, and I'll leave it there.
All I can say is "here we go again" Round and round the mulberry bush. I am going back to doing something more useful.
Please Call me when something interesting shows up!
I'm not expecting any calls real soon!
Beautiful.
speaking of love, do you ever feel nauseaus or feel a buzzing in your ears?
HI
FIRST TELL ME FIRST
WHAT ARE THE LOSES BEFORE JESUS AND WHAT ARE THE GAINS AFTER JESUS.
SIMPLY LOVES MEANS WHAT. EVERYBODY LOVES EVERYBODY.
JAY.
Good to know ,hey ! That even your attitude is nasty and patronizing, Jesus loves you anyway, Leslie Adrienne !
If he 'delights in overwhelming those who hate Him with His love,' then he sounds a tad sadistic to me.
that by far is the smallest thing I have ever seen go to someones head.
And thank you it made my day.
Glory be to Almighty God for His grace and love!
Hey Misha, on Friday the local Jehovah's witnesses actually got dropped off in front of my house.
Mmmm spam. Oh wait ewww I just remember someone mentioning spam s'mores on another thread.
Invite them in for an orgy. I did thst once: "Oh, you are early! The orgy starts at seven, but come in, come in!"
Priceless reaction
I'm usually nice. I save my spite for the telemarketers (although why they don't accept my marriage proposals is beyond me!).
I usually dredge up big words like 'Greek Interlinear' and 'The trinity in relation to the ten commandments as proof that Saturday is the sabbath' to make the JWs think I know more than them. Usually works and they run. Coz I look about sixteen they think I must be the devil incarnate.
yeah but why will it end and have 100 years inteal we die so we so lots of time ok lol
paradigmsearch....
Please don't start that again....
It is encumbent upon thinking people to oppose the promotion, the continual promotion, of an ideology that has caused untold death, misery and suffering for the human race for so long. I look forward to the day when normal people look back at religion as a temporary insanity of mankind.
Yes he does. I know there has been times in my life that he has helped me even tho I never gave him a thought. He loved me even then, when I had no time for him.
Still
We can look back at so many times when things could have gone wrong and we know, that there had to have been supernatural intervention from the Lord because we are here today.
And hated every poor child on the planet by that same reasoning.
Unless you are suggesting that you are somehow more important than they are.
That's Megalomania folks!
Too bad he doesn't intervene with the kids who die daily of starvation. Perhaps, he's too busy intervening in your life?
God uses people to help people...so, there are many ways that you can be the hand of God to help curtain some of the starvation....are you interested in knowing more???
Why doesn't your god use those people to help you, instead? Why would god feed you instead of them? Why would he need people to help other people when he could do it himself?
God feeds me so that I can give to those who are in need....He uses people because He wants people to connect with one another....when we help oneanother, we show the love of God one toward another.......When a person is moved to help someone from their heart, that is God doing it.....
Excellent message. God is love, our creator, and our source. We are required to show love.
When people are moved to help another that is human compassion. By trying to pass this off as god doing it you are insulting your own humanity.
And.....
Humanity is only good to the extent of its training on what goodness looks like....
Surely, you don't think that your humanity or attitude toward mankind has not be a result of the influences of society? You couldn't possibly believe that you are good inherently, that you always want the best for all people or that you are only law abiding because of the consequences of violating the law?
So, why are you the one that gets fed but others are not? Why shouldn't those others who are starving get the food and then give it to you? What's the difference here?
I don't know....I just use what I've got to give to those who are in need...
You don't know? Thank you for an honest answer, you are one of the first to offer an honest answer to this most difficult question.
Perhaps, you would be willing to show your honesty again and walk through it with me?
Your god answers some of your prayers, which helps you in your life, gives you food and clothing and other such things, yet he does not provide anything for so many other people. These other people are Christians too, even though they are living on the other side of the world in abject poverty.
Hence, we have Christians who believe god answers some of their prayers and Christians who know for a fact god does not answer any of their prayers, as they and their children, and everyone else around them starve to death.
Perhaps, god doesn't really answer anyone's prayers and everything you have is the result of your environment and what you have achieved yourself due to the opportunities available to you. They are also in the same boat, however their environment does not allow the same opportunities, so they are unable to achieve the same things as you.
Would that make more sense to you?
Beeledad
Before we go on, let me say, NO-ONE, atheist or beleiver has the fullness of truth. Period. If we did, there would be no arguments ...
Of course, I believe that non-believers only look at circumstances and believe what their eyes and minds dictate. And, naturally I believe that those who have accepted Christ as their personal Lord and Savior have a personal relationship with the Lord.... and see beyond the natural things. Believers have a hope inside that is so remarkably real and an assurance that is solidly in place. We may not always sound like it, but it is so.....that being said, let's move on....
You remember the exploits of Jesus as He moved throughout the land, not everyone was healed, not everyone was delivered. In one instance Jesus referred to the unbelief of the people as the reason He was unable to do many works. (Matthew 13:28). Can you imagine our Lord with an inability....it is so.
It wasn't because He had not the power or compassion....if you recall when He was in the garden being arrested and Peter cut off the guards ear. Jesus put the ear back on and asked Peter, if he didn't realize that if he prayed to the Father, He would send more than 12 legions of angels to deliver Him. But He, Jesus, hadn't come to be delivered....He came so that the world would be delivered through Him...
I'm getting to the point.....
I wanted to show this point first...when Jesus walked the earth He didn't, couldn't fulfill all of the physical needs of everyone in Jersalem, let alone the whole world....In the gospelof Matthew and in Mark, he tells His followers to go into all of the world and teach them His ways....We have yet to go into all of the world and in some of the places we have gone, we have acted terribly. But our ugliness does not negate the desire or love of God.
He gave the job to us as His followers to do....we are to be His hands, his feet, His heart in the earth.....You may again say, well, if He is God why is this necessary? Get yourself some coffee and, I'll tell you more.
See, God is a God of His Word...He spoke the world and its inhbitants into existance. He abides and moves only on His Word. God gave this world to Adam and Eve to rule. They gave their authority over to the devil when they disobeyed God.
It is the devil who still has control of the earth. God cannot intervene in the affairs of men unless we invite Him. This is why we pray. Believers are like a colony in a land that is owned by another country.
When we pray, our prayer has to pass through the boundaries of this other country, this enemy land and connect with God. Through faith, we maintain that connection which allows God to move on our behalf. When we break the connection, we miss our answer. The devil is always fighting against the saints to get them to break their connection.....He is more successful than I would care to admit.
God, by His own law can do nothing in the earth without someone inviting Him in. Sounds like a good movie plot...but, it isn't. It is reality. But, when He moves, He really moves....The starvation, the mayhem, the hate and visciousness is not God....It is the devil....
What I am telling you messes with a lot of peoples theology..but only because most people don't see God as almighty...they see Him small within the confines of their own minds....most people say that God is a Big God, but they believe like He is small enough to put in a dresser or a knick-knack drawer.
(This looks like one of Misha's posts)
God has empowered His people to go and stop hunger, to go and show the miracles of God in all of the earth....to show people that He is not afar off, but near and that He loves all people and wants to deliver all people.....
It is not God's fault there is evil in the earth, it is the devils and, man has been lazy about carrying out the command of God to fight against the devil...
Do you know why I come in these forums? It is not because I need to prove that I love God or that I am a Christian....it is to draw out the heart of those who hate God.....to give them an opportunity to hear that Jesus is real and that He loves them....
People who hate God are often people who have been hurt by someone or something that relates to God.....but, that hurt or pain was not the intent of God.....People aren't perfect and the quickest way for a Christian to win an argument is to send you to Hell.....
Don' trip, Hell is as real as New York City is....and everyone who refuses to receive the free gift of God, Jesus Christ is going there.....
Not because God is mad at them, but because they got caught up in a mess that happened before there even was an earth. (that is another story)
Anyway, I hope I have been helpful and shed some light on why things are as they are...
God Bless you....
What if.. you don't believe in Jesus, but you don't believe in the Devil either? Would you be exempt from what happened before earth?
No, I don't ask why this is necessary, I ask why it is necessary for YOU and not for the people who are starving to death? They too are Christians, just like you, but for some reason, it is YOU who gets your prayers answered and not them.
Let's see if you can reason this one through...
The Christians who starve to death every day have been praying and inviting your god to intervene for a very long time, yet they continue to live a life of horror, misery and pain. You on the other hand, appear to not live such a life.
Again, the good Christians who die daily of malnutrition have been inviting your god in for some time. Nothing has happened.
This makes no sense. Again, why would your god only move for your prayers and not others. Why would your god ignore the invitations of the starving and instead let them perish? Why you and not them?
You just explained that your god answers prayers of those who invite him, why would he need to empower you and not them?
Unfortunately, that does not adequately answer the question as to why your invitations to god are answered and those who continue to starve to death are not.
You did no such thing. All you managed to accomplish is confirm the contradictions of your gods inability to answer the prayers of others and feed the starving while he answers your prayers and feeds you.
You have only made yourself look special over and above the less fortunate without explaining this blatant discrepancy as to why you get fed by your god and others do not. I can only conclude from your explanation that your god favors you over other Christians, for what reason is still a question unanswered.
And, here I was hoping you were going to be honest.
I know! I know!
It's cause the ones who get their prayers answered are SPECIAL!
Their faith is stronger. They go to the right Christian Church. They have a personal relationship with some invisible thing and the others really do not even if they think they do.
That HAS to be the reason. Nothing else would make sense.. well, except for there are no gods at all, which of course would be ridiculous because everybody knows there is, or are, or, well, everybody just KNOWS.
After watching a movie last night, a religious show came on, a fellow named Joel or something like that. He tried to explain that its all a matter of "perspective" that people have on any given situation. If people are starving to death, one person will look at it negatively while another will look at it positively, with the only difference being that the positive person is using the love of god as their guide.
At that point, everyone in the stadium held up their bibles and shouted, "Amen!"
Everyone in the audience, including Joel, appeared to be well fed.
That's the answer, then: Joel.
Where can I find him? I do so want to be one of a mass of people blindly shouting "Amen!. I'm tired of thinking for myself and am in desperate need of spiritual guidance and make believe love.
Heck, I might even get on that TV thing! That sure would be neat-o. I'm going to pray on that!
Beelzedad,
Sorry it took me so long to get back to you....
You missed my point and, I don't feel like restating it, so I won't. So, the discussion is moot. Believe as you wish about whatever you wish.
But, before you move on try this...
You, me, Ernest and Pcunix are highly motivated to get to the other side of a lake. The only way there is to swim. We all can swim, and we can all swim well.
The waters on the lake are unpredictable, and where we are is ok, but we would fare better if we were on the other side.
You wade into the water about waist high and stay there. You tell us you won't go any further because you don't understand why things aren't as good on this side as they allegedly are on the other side.
Ernest swims out to the middle of the lake, turns around and comes back to shore, swims back out the middle, turns around and returns. He tells us there was some dirt in the water at the mid-point which likely means there is no other side.
Pcnix just came along because she was carried by the momentum. She doesn't even get her feet wet.
But I jump in the water and swim all of the way to the other side. When I get there, I enjoy the fruit of what is there.
So, I suppose I am more favored than others, because I stayed the course.
I did not miss your point and the discussion is not moot and it has nothing to do with what I believe. These are facts, not beliefs. People starve to death praying for food, other people pray and are well fed. The contradiction is blatant.
Restating your point only restates the contradiction.
So, what you're saying is those who starve to death are not as good a Christian as you are? You're somehow special? Would you be willing to go to a country where Christians are starving to death and tell them that to their faces?
Do YOU feed your neighbors children as well as you do your own children?
Do you cloth your neighbors children as you do your own.
What a pile of arrogant ego drive self aggrandisement I see here!
This is what megalomania looks like folks!
She is one of our educators, according to her profile, Earnest! LOL! Definitely from the Bible Belt!
I loved this statement!
"Don' trip, Hell is as real as New York City is....and everyone who refuses to receive the free gift of God, Jesus Christ is going there....."
All are included in the hate filled psychotic prediction, unlike the gates of heaven which are closed to all but those who follow her version of god apparently!
Bloody hilarious!
Yes, unless we follow the advice of this very serious lady, we will burn in hellfire for all eternity!
Hey I know what megalomania looks like earnestshub.
It's often staring back at me from my mirror lol
As I chant
1 bloody mary
2 bloody mary
... I chicken out before the third round lol
Grog will do that to ya!
I don't get past 2 bloody marys these days.
And of course the always amusing "hating god" stuff.
I wonder if she hates unicorns, elves and leprechauns?
I can almost picture god saying " Randy! Leslie said you wouldn't think like her! You just get your ass in that fire and brimstone pit with Earnest and Mark! And no snickering at Leslie's back either!"
So, do we have to reject the gift now or after we die? Just so I know, I might not be totally screwed when I die and go, "oh crap, they were right?" hehe
I'm Agnostic, and I don't hate Christians or god at all. I just don't believe the theories taught in that religion. In ancient Rome and Greece, millions of people were convinced there were many different gods, and they knew it so because they had faith and the gods had touched them, too. It's another philosophy to me. But I'm totally down with other people believing in them. Just like I'm down with Hinduism, Judaism, etc. etc. etc.
Now the first post (Leslie) doesn't say "people who don't believe", it says "people who hate him". So, there are plenty of Christians shaking their fist in anger at god and I believe that statement was for them, right? I didn't take it as a personal attack, but I think some people did :-/
In my opinion, forcing beliefs or belittling beliefs of others is wrong, don't confuse this with debating. And that goes for Atheist/Agnostic/Christian alike! Cause both sides do it. And some don't, as well :-) Oh, and I'm totally filled with love and beauty and fulfillment all the time. Yay!
Pcnix,
Unicorns are alright, but those elves and leprechauns are real ugly little critters
Can't you guys IM or something? Using a thread to sit and make jokes to each other about a hubber you disagree with? Really?
Aww. Do you want us to make fun of some other religious person?
You think poking fun at ridiculous beliefs is immature? What would HAVING those beliefs be?
By Randy : I can almost picture god saying " Randy! Leslie said you wouldn't think like her! You just get your ass in that fire and brimstone pit with Earnest and Mark! And no snickering at Leslie's back either!"
You went beyond laughing at her beliefs - you made it personal. But you smarties know that.
So it isn't personal when others say those who don't think like them are headed for hell? That is a judgment on their part about the way I look at things and how wrong I am! But you don't think it's personal? Come on, you aren't serious are you?
I could tell ya but you wouldn't like what ya hear.
Suppose someone told you if you didn't worship a striped butted baboon you would spend eternity upside down in quicksand! Would you take them seriously? Answer honestly now! Wouldn't you be tempted to snicker a little over it or would you worry about your soul and lose sleep? Your answer?
Well, if (and my personal belief, so calm down if you disagree!) religion is essentially a form of government (example: marriage for procreation, behave or you'll be punished, etc), doesn't it make sense for this religion/governing body to make rules, such as not believing sends you to hell, to get more people afraid of not being that religion? And, in affect, more people to behave with what that society is looking to achieve at the time?
I am one of the calmest persons you would ever want to meet, JD!
Despite my posts, none of this phases me at all! I live among many fundies here in the deep south and have been amused by them most of my life! I can discuss anything without getting angry, but I cannot say the same for others!
And your question is fair! But who makes the rules in your scenario?
Hmmm! Was this a difficult question, H.A.?
Oh man sorry I was lost in another forum-land.. haha. I mean like, looking back at history when these religions were formed. Rome used the Pope hardcore to control people. Spain did, too, the Spanish inquisition. Things like that, where the religious hierarchy was in control. Also, how about when Constantine in Rome took the bible and changed things he didn't like! Wowzers, if you ask me! lol
LOL! This question was for h.a. borcich, JD!
Although I do know what you mean about Constantine and his efforts with manipulating the bible to mean what he wished it to!
H.A opted not to respond, apparently!
hahaha yea I totally saw that after I posted.. I'm in Jersey, it's late here.. my eyes are crossed.. that's my story and I'm sticking to it!
Grow up! It is the late at night and I took a flipping nap. Do you really think I would lose sleep over larry, moe and curly on hubpages?
By the way, if I post on a thread a few hours from now - it is because I don't sleep well. Nothing to do with you.
Does this mean you are not going to answer my original question?
You will have to lose sleep over it - I won't waste my time with you.
There was never any doubt you would duck the question! LOL! You berate me for not taking someone's idea of a deity seriously but refuse to answer a question which might show your own amusement at another person's equally ludicrous beliefs! Yep, I do indeed believe you are a christian!
I commented on how you attacked a person - putting her down as an educator, etc - all because you disagree with her belief. What is ludicrous is you thinking you are a grown up.
The little bully party must have put Earnest over the edge as he went on a scripture spouting spree over several threads - looks like a dog marking territory.
But you know that, and are probably proud of that.
I pity you, really. And I wonder what Habee's take is on this.
and I wonder why you and the other religionists can't answer honest questions posed by the bible scripture posted.
I thought you may at least have enough biblical knowledge to drag out the old OT NT lemon!
So you are saying it was ok for you to make fun of a PERSON even to the point of bringing her career into it?
Answer my question.
Do you really think I would lose sleep over larry, moe and curly on hubpages?
What careers were you referring to here? Brain science?
Christians like to judge others, not the other way around, Earnest! They feel they are above being judged except by their imaginary deity! As evidenced here on these threads!
I concede - larry, moe and curly could actually be funny.
Does this mean we are also allowed to decide what is funny or not? Or is it just for christians to decide for us? And actually, it isn't very funny to me when an educator of our children is delusional! They seem to want creationism taught in our schools and this is really going backwards, as far as education is concerned!
Why do you demand others to answer your questions when you refuse to do the same for them? You don't seem very fair for a christian! Or is that one of the perks? Must be, as it seems to be one of the rules followed by those of your ilk!
Why do you wonder what Habee's take on this is? She and I disagree on all sorts of things but at least she has the courtesy to try and answer a question asked of her!
You felt you had to jump in and take up for the "teacher" when she was spouting her religious garbage but don't have the nerve to show us how equitable you are concerning other foolish beliefs! Not surprising at all! LOL!
Since you don't have time to answer me, then please don't interject your opinions in the future! It was a simple question unless you are a traditional bible thumper!
I'm not so much as defending their reasoning, but recognizing why they do it in a logical sense. Which does make sense, I think.
Perhaps, but a religious sense and a logical sense are not compatible in most cases!
I view that more as a personal problem.
Hehehe.. well, for most people, at least. I think my Agnosticism is very logical! :-)
Mine too! Logical people are doomed, as far as religion is concerned!
H.A.
Thanks for your concern for me...that is really sweet and I appreciate it. Please don't think that I take any attack on my character, beliefs or career choice seriously....
There is an old saying, "Only a hit dog will holla'." That is all that they are doing...hollering. Let them holler honey, let them holler.
So, don't worry, besides, they may be right about my teaching....some of those kids-----absolutely terrible. Does anybody know what happened to respect for your elders? I think it's gone out the window.
I hope the religionists have got the right god!
What could possibly go wrong there? Oh that's right! We have too many versions of god!
But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.' You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?' If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)
What's the chances of not being killed by this god for worshipping from the wrong bits in the "good book?"
to show I read my bible, here is what they sed jesus sed.
Jesus first appeared to the eleven disciples in a room at
Jerusalem. Luke 24:33,36,37/ John 20:19
Jesus first appeared to the eleven on a mountain in Galilee Matt 28:16,17
Christ ascended from Mount Olivet Acts 1:9,12
Christ ascended from Bethany Luke 24:50,51
Which one was it and why?
Well .... one day he came down from mt Olivette another day he came to them in the upper room... You forgot to mention that on another day he made wine while attending a wedding.
And he went to Amerika like wot the mormons sez innit? Woz that after he is ded or b4? And then he was hanged and then his friends made a shroud wot looks jus' like him and that proves it.
If you believe it it gotta be so.
You can paint your reality any coluuur ya wont to.
I don't believe any of it Jerami - as you well know. But the Mormons believe Jesus went to Amerika.
believe it or not I don't believe everything that everybody says. He could have I'm not going to argue or agree with them??? But who am I to know.
I begin with believing them words written in red.
The Mormons only believe Jesus went to America because the Americans don't like it that the USA isn't mentioned in the Bible!
Wrong! The Mormons were scammed by a well known con man and still are, for that matter!
By a well known man that didn't like the fact that USA wasn't mentioned in the bible.
Ernesto, (that's Spanish for Ernest)
Here is your answer.
Answers.com :
In studying the Gospel accounts we must always consider the context into which they were written and by whom they were written. The custom of ancient historians was to pay attention to significant events and their meaning rather than strict chronology. So, effectively the answer to the question may never be known. All the events and appearances in the Gospels, including those recorded in Mark 16 certainly occurred and there is also most certainly no contradiction at all between them. The obsession with exact times and order of appearances etc is a 'modern' approach which is simply not how the ancient historians worked.
Further to this it must be stated that scholars have realized that there is no requirement that any particular detail be recorded in the Gospels. All four are written by different people with different editorial criteria and so, as with any eyewitness account differences, even major ones, would be expected. No conclusion whatsoever can thus be made of material which is not included. Contradictions are created by not understanding the documents, where there is no contradiction at all.
Nowhere does Matthew state that the appearance in Galilee was the first - he has merely omitted certain details mentioned by others. To say "Matthew's narrative forbids the supposition of any meeting in Judea" is totally incorrect. Nowhere does Matthew say this. A simple reading of the relevant passage in Matthew 28 will reveal this. Reading things into the text and de-contextualizing the text bring conclusions which are contrary to what it says and create contradictions where there are none.
To answer the question directly, the first place where Jesus appeared to His disciples was clearly in Jerusalem, where they were gathered behind closed doors for fear
The Ascension
Scripture indicates that the Jesus ascended into heaven in the vicinity of Bethany. This village is down the east slope of the Mt. of Olives (Mt. Olivet) about 1.5 miles ...
Here is my answer to religion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXUJLqgeuOA
I rest my case.
He is one of yours!
Mrs Robinson............ and others,
Jesus loves you more than you will ever know
"For God so loved Earnest that he gave his only Son; that if Earnest believed in him, he should not die but have eternal life." (John 3:16 -- God's Message to Earnest:))
Speaking of "pray on it":
A few years back, I told a customer that their eight year old computer needed replacing.
The guy said "I have to pray on that" and disappeared into his office for half an hour.
Apparently his god agreed with me, because when he came out, he told me to go ahead and get a new server.
It's good to know that his imaginary friend approved, bu too bad he had to pay me for advice when the big pretend guy could have just told him that directly. But those gods are always busy doing mysterious stuff, so you cannot count on them.
Beel you just scared the beelzedads out of me with that link
Did you read this page:
What We Believe:
We Believe…
* the entire Bible is inspired by God, without error and the authority on which we base our faith, conduct and doctrine.
* in one God who exists in three distinct persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. We believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God who came to this earth as Savior of the world.
* Jesus died on the cross and shed His blood for our sins. We believe that salvation is found by placing our faith in what Jesus did for us on the cross. We believe Jesus rose from the dead and is coming again.
* water baptism is a symbol of the cleansing power of the blood of Christ and a testimony to our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
* in the regular taking of Communion as an act of remembering what the Lord Jesus did for us on the cross.
* every believer should be in a growing relationship with Jesus by obeying God’s Word, yielding to the Holy Spirit and by being conformed to the image of Christ.
* as children of God, we are overcomers and more than conquerors and God intends for each of us to experience the abundant life He has in store for us.
Hmmm. I wonder if ole Joel takes donations for his ministry? Surely not, he probably gave all of his money to the poor, like Jesus would have done!
LeslieAdrienne wrote:
"But I jump in the water and swim all of the way to the other side. When I get there, I enjoy the fruit of what is there.
So, I suppose I am more favored than others, because I stayed the course"
You don't even spot the megalomania in your statement do you?
sad.
It still amuses me that an otherwise intelligent person could attempt to justify all the thousands of contradictory scriptures, yet still believe in those who wrote them being inspired by god.
What is inspirational about the psychotic god of the OT?
I defy you to explain how the omnipotent one true god is not a psychopath.
Thanks for assuming I am intelligent there are days when my intellect certainly fails....
You know I am not going to take that challenge. The only language that I could use to meet the challenge is the language of my understanding. And, since I believe the Bible justifies and explains itself, it would be presumptuous of me to try explain much more than I have already.
Besides, God proves Himself over time.....and the fact is that no matter what we think, or do, He is omnipotent....and, I don't think our opinions or arguments about Him will affect who He is....
Sidebar: would you consider writing a hub on common phrases (clean ones) used in Australia? I think it would be an interesting read....if you write it, let me know:D
Almost all my hubs about Australia have some local language with a couple explaining "Strine" I will see if I can find one for you if you like.
Leslie I have been free of religion for over 30 years now.
Here ya go.
http://hubpages.com/hub/Australian-a-mi … t-and-nuts
Thanks for the link....I 've read it and left a comment
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Did you know the name "Allah" means moon-god?
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