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10 questions for the religiously impaired.

  1. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    10 Questions To Ask A Christian.

    If you ever find yourself in the unfortunate postilion of having to spend time next to a christian it's important that you have things to say. Often at times when the christian feels the conversation is drying up they will start quoting passages from the bible in an attempt to indoctrinate you.

    So what I have done is compose a list of questions you can put to the christian to keep them on their toes. or if you are already a Christian, Try these questions on your priest, Minister or Pastor.

    1. Why does god hate amputees? - There has never been a case of a single amputee growing back an arm or a leg yet god (supposedly) sees fit to regularly cure cancer sufferers and the blind.

    2. Biblical Law - In Matthew 5:17-18 it states that Jesus wants Christians to follow the old testament word for word. Why don't they? And why do they actively disregard the parts of the old testament which they don't agree with or which are socially unacceptable these day, Like child slavery?

    3. Eye of a needle - If Jesus said it's difficult, Even impossible, For a rich man to get in to the kingdom of heaven why do so many rich people believe in Jesus? why is it the goal of nearly every single christian to become rich? And why do TV evangelists always want your money?

    4. Did god create Cancer and aids - Did he? If so why? And why do good Christians also get them? Or was it a mistake? And if it was, Why not do something about it now?

    5. Bible Revisions - The bible read by Christians of today differs by many chapters and thousand of paragraphs from the original. Which one is the word of god and why does man edit it?

    6. Second Commandment - If the 2Nd Commandment is "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image" why do Christians wear crosses, Have statues and make films with Jesus' graven image on them?

    7. Jesus Loves? - If Jesus loves why did he say "I will kill her children. Then all the churches will know that I am the one who searches hearts and minds." in Revelation 2:23. Is Jesus really a child killer?

    8. Allegory - The bible states that the Earth is between 6,000 and 8,000 years old, that it was created in 7 days, and that Man is made of dirt and Woman a piece of Man. The modern church says this is allegory. Where does it say in the bible that it is allegory?

    9. Witch trials, Inquisitions and crusades - Historians estimate the total number of people executed in the name of Jesus is as high as 15 million (mostly Jews, "witches" and pagans). How does it feel knowing that Jesus is responsible for 3 times as many deaths as Hitler?

    10. The only real SIN. - In Mark 3:29 it says "but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin". Is it true that paedophiles and child killers can be forgiven and get in to heaven but disbelievers can't?

    Source:
    http://godbegone.blogspot.com/2007/06/q … tians.html

    1. Jefsaid profile image61
      Jefsaidposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The Bible as with the Koran are stories written by men during times when there was a more primitive appreciation of the World around us.  They express a wonderment of what people would have discovered from a then incredibly sophisticated Egyptian civilisation whose stories went on to became fabricated into symbolisms like Chinese whispers. Those who are indoctrinated are brainwashed and do not see any illogic in its changing interpretations.   Did you hear about the minister who had his congregation doing all sorts of silly things like leaving their jobs in the wake of the World ending on 21st May.  Well he was nowhere to be seen on the 22nd. I suspect the only World that ended was his... lol

    2. Greek One profile image78
      Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      10 Questions To Ask A Christian.

      1. Why does god hate amputees? - There has never been a case of a single amputee growing back an arm or a leg yet god (supposedly) sees fit to regularly cure cancer sufferers and the blind.

      Answer to 1.
      God doesn't hate anyone... except, of course, Australians.  If blatant 'in you face' miracles occurred, then millions more would believe, and that would take the fun out of web forums


      2. Biblical Law - In Matthew 5:17-18 it states that Jesus wants Christians to follow the old testament word for word. Why don't they? And why do they actively disregard the parts of the old testament which they don't agree with or which are socially unacceptable these day, Like child slavery?

      Answer to 2
      The Old and New Testaments should be interpreted through a consideration of the following...

      And Jesus said.. "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets".....  and... A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another

      3. Eye of a needle - If Jesus said it's difficult, Even impossible, For a rich man to get in to the kingdom of heaven why do so many rich people believe in Jesus? why is it the goal of nearly every single christian to become rich? And why do TV evangelists always want your money?

      Answer to #3
      TV Evangelists are crooks.  It is difficult to be rich and be ready to give it all up if need be.. not impossible though.   Just as it is difficult to be a very attractive Greek male, and abstain from sexual relations with hot young office colleagues


      4. Did god create Cancer and aids - Did he? If so why? And why do good Christians also get them? Or was it a mistake? And if it was, Why not do something about it now?

      Answer #4
      Review the Book of Job.  (and Aids was created when Barry Gibb made love to a monkey while on tour)


      5. Bible Revisions - The bible read by Christians of today differs by many chapters and thousand of paragraphs from the original. Which one is the word of god and why does man edit it?

      Answer #5
      The original Greek version is the correct version.


      6. Second Commandment - If the 2Nd Commandment is "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image" why do Christians wear crosses, Have statues and make films with Jesus' graven image on them?

      Answer #6.
      Such images are not worshiped as Gods or idols


      7. Jesus Loves? - If Jesus loves why did he say "I will kill her children. Then all the churches will know that I am the one who searches hearts and minds." in Revelation 2:23. Is Jesus really a child killer?

      Answer #7
      Again, only the Australian Children will suffer.


      8. Allegory - The bible states that the Earth is between 6,000 and 8,000 years old, that it was created in 7 days, and that Man is made of dirt and Woman a piece of Man. The modern church says this is allegory. Where does it say in the bible that it is allegory?

      Answer #8
      Which modern Church are you referring to?


      9. Witch trials, Inquisitions and crusades - Historians estimate the total number of people executed in the name of Jesus is as high as 15 million (mostly Jews, "witches" and pagans). How does it feel knowing that Jesus is responsible for 3 times as many deaths as Hitler?

      Answer #9
      I don't believe Jesus gave instructions, implied or otherwise, to kill any of these groups.  In fact, he said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone".


      10. The only real SIN. - In Mark 3:29 it says "but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin". Is it true that paedophiles and child killers can be forgiven and get in to heaven but disbelievers

      Answer #10
      There are plenty of explanations of this particular verse which explain that the "blasphemes against the Holy Spirit" in the context of how it is written does not equate with 'disbelievers'.. except, of course, if they are Australian

      1. Castlepaloma profile image24
        Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You learn new made up things every day. I must have totally missed written parts where Australian is like the Jews. Canadian water will be more important to the USA than oil soon, maybe we will be the next evil doers. 

        Not even the End of World gags will stop the Canucks from winning the cup...

    3. Quilligrapher profile image89
      Quilligrapherposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hey Earnest, I never got to read your questions. Sorry but I was blown away by your preamble.  I think this is because I never considered myself unfortunate to be spending time next to a Christian.  Nor have I ever found all Christians try to indoctrinate me with passages from the bible when the conversation dries up.  And finally, I never felt the need to keep Christians on their toes when it comes to their personal beliefs.

      Maybe I live in a different world.  My world seems to be filled with believers, atheists, and agnostics all of whom, like me, are capable of error, misjudgments, and false conclusions. Naturally, I think I’m always right and others who don’t agree just don’t understand or just don’t get it. But, I’m pleased when people show respect for me and for my belief system.  That’s why I respect the beliefs of others even when I think they may be wrong.  When it comes to logic and the existence of God, I believe four things to be true:
      1. No one has ever proved God exists.
      2. It is impossible for humans to prove logically or scientifically God does not exist.
      3. Therefore, it is possible that God does exit and that humans may never be able to prove it. And,   
      4. It doesn’t bother me if some people think pigs can fly.

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hi Quillgrapher. I live in much the same way as yourself, and don't impose my view on others that treat me likewise. smile

        The questions asked here are not my questions, I did provide the source though. smile

        I do see much of what is believed by religionists as complete rubbish as you would know, and thought I may catch a few answers that made sense of what looks to me to be nonsense beliefs, and challenge those who would parade myths as fact and reality.

      2. Beelzedad profile image58
        Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Unfortunately sir, that is not logic, that is actually a logical fallacy and one that is often used here. If one were being logical, they would not rely on using fallacies to support their indoctrinated beliefs.

        Of course, you're free to base your life on a logical fallacy, no one will ever take that away from you, only logic can. smile

        1. Quilligrapher profile image89
          Quilligrapherposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Hi Beel. Unfortunately, I miss your point. I did not state logical arguments. I stated four truisms I believe are obvious. Therefore, 

          1. If you know of someone who proved God exists, please tell us about it.
          2. If you know a way to logically prove a negative, I would welcome the information.
          3. In the absence of proof, it is not reasonable to accept the possibility (not the probability) something exists?
          4. In the absence of proof, it is not also reasonable to accept the possibility (not the probability) humans might never be able to explain all the mysteries in the universe?

          None of the statements in my comment were arrived at from indoctrination. Therefore, I wonder why you assumed that they were?

          Thanks, Beel. I would be grateful to you for expanding your comment just a little.

          1. Beelzedad profile image58
            Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            And yet, you did use the word logic in your claim:

            "When it comes to logic..."



            Those are fine as they relate to anything and everything. However, when one invokes that which obviously violates the physical laws of our world, such as gods, one is not proving a negative, they are showing positively how gods cannot possibly exist in our world without violating those laws or invoking magic, and that is where the logic resides.



            Those are your logical fallacies. Science deals in possibilities and probabilities in the absence of proof. And if we turn to my previous point about violating the physical laws of our world, the possibilities and probabilities of gods existing are nil. In fact, there are higher possibilities and probabilities unicorns and dragons exist then there are gods, as those do not violate any laws.

            And, with statement no.4, you invoke the possibility that "humans might never be able to explain all the mysteries in the universe" yet you completely ignore the fact that even our current knowledge of the universe prohibits the existence of gods.



            Usually, one who is religiously indoctrinated would invoke fallacies as logic when it comes to their religious beliefs. These forums of full of such truisms which they believe are obvious.

            smile

            1. Quilligrapher profile image89
              Quilligrapherposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Thanks, Beel.  I really appreciate your taking time to respond.

              I am pleased that you and I agree points 1 and 2 are obvious truisms:
              1. No one has ever proved God exists.
              2. It is impossible for humans to prove logically or scientifically that God does not exist.
              To use your own words, “Those are fine as they relate to anything and everything.”  Since I made no claim that violates physical laws, your next sentence is a strawman of your own making and, therefore, does not apply to me or to my points 1 and 2. Besides, every scientific law constructed by humans is subject to repeal whenever someone comes up with a better one, so let’s not pretend they are infallible.

              You go on to label points 3 and 4 as logical fallacies.

              3. In the absence of proof, is it not reasonable to accept the possibility (not the probability) something exists?
              4. In the absence of proof, is it not also reasonable to accept the possibility (not the probability) humans might never be able to explain all the mysteries in the universe?

              Here, it seems, you ignore my words in both points and rely on a prior argument about violating physical laws that I believe has no bearing. Offering your opinion is not presenting a logical proof my statement is a fallacy. It doesn’t seem logical to declare a statement is false unless you can prove it is false. If you have a logical, verifiable proof, I am anxious to hear it. Again, I believe, in the absence of proof, it is reasonable to accept the possibility something exists, and it is also reasonable to accept the possibility humans may never be able to explain all the mysteries in the universe. 

              Thanks again, Beel. I admire you ability to have an open mind.

              1. Beelzedad profile image58
                Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Whoa! I never agreed those were obvious truisms. And besides, you've changed those two points, here are the actually points that I commented:

                "1. If you know of someone who proved God exists, please tell us about it.
                2. If you know a way to logically prove a negative, I would welcome the information."


                True, no one has ever proved gods exist. No one. Ever.

                As to the second point, many have shown gods logically and scientifically could not exist.



                I can't see how it is a strawman as it follows logically to those who have shown gods cannot exist scientifically, which is positive evidence that has no requirements to prove gods don't exist. Big difference.



                That isn't true at all. There is no law that has ever been repealed once shown to work. Your free to show any that have been repealed. Even Newtons laws are still in effect today despite the fact Einstein came up with relativity. In this case, a couple of points Newton assumed were wrong, which Einstein cleared up that made relativity more precise and accurate. We still use Newtons laws to send probes to Saturn.



                How can it have no bearing when it IS the proof you refer, our current knowledge that prohibits gods from existing. I did not ignore your words, I referred to them by showing they were fallacies.



                As I already explained, our current knowledge of our world prohibits gods from existing as they would violate those laws, just like any other assertion or hypothesis presented that would violate those laws. What other proof do you require?

                A believer who makes the claim that gods could possibly exist must first understand those laws before making that claim and then show how it is possible they could exist without violating those laws.

                If I claimed I could flap my arms and fly, I would have to show how that can be achieved without violating the laws of gravity, just like if someone claimed we could travel faster than light would have to show how relativity wouldn't be violated. smile

    4. qwark profile image60
      qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Hahahahahahahohohohoho....lol

      Now this one broke me up:

      "God definitely doesn't hate amputees. I know several people personally who've seen legs and arms grow out. One man actually held a child's feet out and heard cracking and popping as the shorter foot grew out to the same length as the other."

      I gotta get up off the floor! whoooeee! lol

      Qwark

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Oh ye of little faith! lol

        1. qwark profile image60
          qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          lol

  2. Cagsil profile image60
    Cagsilposted 6 years ago

    grabs a few cases of soda and plenty of popcorn to watch the fireworks

    cool cool cool cool cool

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I have a fresh cup of tea and toast. Settling in for the answers. smile

      1. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I was going to answer them, but then I considered the time needed and found that regular chatting with other people was more valuable with regards to my time. Hence, my last post. wink tongue

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Cool!
          I know most of your answers anyway Cags! smile

          We have both been around long enough to draw a few conclusions. smile

          1. Cagsil profile image60
            Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            lol lol

            1. earnestshub profile image88
              earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I imagine we have a few fundies running through the good book looking for excuses as we speak! lol

              1. Druid Dude profile image61
                Druid Dudeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                when you get there, ask the big guy. Text me what he says.

                1. earnestshub profile image88
                  earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Sure! That will be a first. smile

  3. Bibowen profile image91
    Bibowenposted 6 years ago

    Alright Christians, this poster has already called you "religiously impaired" so you will give him a reasonable answer to his inanities and he will just berate you more. All of his questions have been answered.

    So, if you have a martyr's complex, go ahead and engage him, but if you want a reasonable discussion, you'll have to go elsewhere.

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Lets be seeing the answers then!
      Yes the forum thread title was borrowed from the constant "Are you still beating your wife" style of the religiously impaired. smile

    2. Randy Godwin profile image93
      Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Ah, the old "better to be silent and be thought a fool than open one's mouth and confirm the fact" reasoning!  Good advice for the fundies, Bibo! lol

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I just love that "all of the questions have been answered" lol

        1. Randy Godwin profile image93
          Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I suppose he is speaking only for himself.  Some never ask questions because they are afraid of the answers.  smile

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I would like to see replies that are honest! That would be a first! lol

            1. Cagsil profile image60
              Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              You want honesty from something that is purely based on dishonesty to begin with? lol lol Good luck with that. lol

              1. earnestshub profile image88
                earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Looks like you were right, not overloaded with replies from religionists so far! lol

            2. cheaptrick profile image75
              cheaptrickposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Your a Baaad man Ernest...and God and Jesus and Moses and Paul and lets see,aaa Oh! That Abrahooo guy are gonna come to your house tonight and give you a Blanket party and spank you with a hair brush till your bottom is all sore and RED!!So there!You wanted reasonable Biblical arguments...this is about as close as your gonna get to reason from today's bible bro.Hope your having a great week end.

              1. earnestshub profile image88
                earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                lol You're a bright glow on a dark night cheaptrick!

                I got a bit of pleasure out of your post, and that is about as good as it gets here. lol lol

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      Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      in other words, you don't have any decent answers for perfectly reasonable questions

  4. Jerami profile image73
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    1. Why does god hate amputees? - There has never been a case of a single amputee growing back an arm or a leg yet god (supposedly) sees fit to regularly cure cancer sufferers and the blind.
    = = = = = =

       This isn't a real question;  IS  IT ?

      -------------------------
    2. Biblical Law - In Matthew 5:17-18 it states that Jesus wants Christians to follow the old testament word for word. Why don't they? And why do they actively disregard the parts of the old testament which they don't agree with or which are socially unacceptable these day, Like child slavery?
       = = =

       Neither of us think much of the bible was translated 100% correctly.  But  such as it is ....   whatever this verse is supposed to mean; the answer to your question is contained within the verse itself.

      " ...  one dot or one title shall in no wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled".  "I am not come to destroy the law but to fulfill it"

       "Till all be fulfilled"  I have come to fulfil it".

    ======================


      3. Eye of a needle - If Jesus said it's difficult, Even impossible, For a rich man to get in to the kingdom of heaven why do so many rich people believe in Jesus? why is it the goal of nearly every single christian to become rich? And why do TV evangelists always want your money?


    - - - - = =

       I can say that I am a ball player  or  a  mountain climber ! And maybe i am ?  but am I good at it ?
       Many people say that they are Christians!  But not all o them are, even acording to their own deinition!
     
    =============================
    4. Did god create Cancer and aids - Did he? If so why? And why do good Christians also get them? Or was it a mistake? And if it was, Why not do something about it now?

    = - = - = -

       I don't think God created Aids!  I'd blame it on poor dietary practices and poor heighine.
       And then, ater it got out of hand,  colateral damage became common from blood transfers etc.
    ===========================================


    5. Bible Revisions - The bible read by Christians of today differs by many chapters and thousand of paragraphs from the original. Which one is the word of god and why does man edit it?

    = - = - = - = -

       The origional bible (canon) was a product of editing.

      Hundreds of different writtings were rejected and only a few were chosen; most of which were authored by a Roman citizen, BECAUSE   the Roman population was the target for this marketing campaign.     
        I am not saying that the product is flawed (Belief in God being the product)  just because the campaign is corrupted.

        And maybe many people have tried to fix it by continued editing and rewrites.   To little avail.

    ====================================== 
    6. Second Commandment - If the 2Nd Commandment is "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image" why do Christians wear crosses, Have statues and make films with Jesus' graven image on them?
    - = - =

       i ask that question many times myself.
    =======================================
    7. Jesus Loves? - If Jesus loves why did he say "I will kill her children. Then all the churches will know that I am the one who searches hearts and minds." in Revelation 2:23. Is Jesus really a child killer?

    = - = - = -

       That verse is speaking o the "woman" as a false prophetist or false theology and whatever ofspring that is produced will be destroyed.

       This is not talking about actually killing actual children.
    =================================
    8. Allegory - The bible states that the Earth is between 6,000 and 8,000 years old, that it was created in 7 days, and that Man is made of dirt and Woman a piece of Man. The modern church says this is allegory. Where does it say in the bible that it is allegory?

    = - = -

       The only thing written as being time specific is Adams genology.
      Yep,  approx 6000 years on Adams Family tree.

       But the age of the earth is not specific.
       First day and second day could have been and certainly was not consecutive days.

     

       I am not disrespecting your questions.  They were good questions.

       And I just tried to answer them.    Thanks.

     

    9. Witch trials, Inquisitions and crusades - Historians estimate the total number of people executed in the name of Jesus is as high as 15 million (mostly Jews, "witches" and pagans). How does it feel knowing that Jesus is responsible for 3 times as many deaths as Hitler?

    10. The only real SIN. - In Mark 3:29 it says "but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin". Is it true that paedophiles and child killers can be forgiven and get in to heaven but disbelievers can't?

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks Jeremy. You did pretty well I would think. smile I don't agree with the answers but appreciate your good intentions in answering  them as honestly as you can. smile

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      writeronlineposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      ....."Is it true that paedophiles and child killers can be forgiven and get in to heaven but disbelievers can't?"

      Is that an answer?? Perhaps you could clarify.

      The preceding bit about sin and blasphemy leads me to think that what you're saying is big_smileo whatever you like, but dont speak ill of the lord, and all will be cool. Yeah, verily, if you just want have a little fun (excuse the pun) at little children's expense, go for it. Just don't exclaim "Omigod" at the wrong moment... is that what you mean?

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        writeronlineposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Sorry, I realised I'm a bit unclear there. my question is for Jeremy, re:
        "The only real SIN. - In Mark 3:29 it says "but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin".

      2. Jerami profile image73
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        No  I didn't say that.

           There are numerous problems.
        One ...   No one can properly define what God is. Everyone has their own understanding of what he seems to be judging from their own personal experiences. 
          Some people may have had NO experiences that they can relate to. In that case, all that they have to go by is the written word.  They have to ask;  Which book should led them. There are Sooo  many to choose from.  I think that

          When I was a teenager I was told that if I was going to LIE about some insident that I was going to get in trouble over, that I must tell as much of the truth as posible, leaving out chosen details and create just enough doubt concerning the truth of the other guys story.  This creates a stalemate where everyone looses.

          It seems to me that this is the foundation upon which  "Religion" was built upon for the past 1600 years in order to build a political system which says it is GODS representive on earth.

          How many political systems are there here on earth that says that they are Gods representive here on earth?

           Can they all be correct?

           Truth is a precious thing that can not be destroyed.  But it can be hidden under a mountain of counterfits.

             Now to try to answer your question.
          Can paedophile be forgiven and enter into heaven?  I would think so!

           What does it mean to blaspheme the holy ghost?
        I think that it would have to mean something different than what we suppose.

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          writeronlineposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          "Can paedophile be forgiven and enter into heaven?  I would think so!"

          Any lingering doubt I may have had about the twisted morals of (surely, only some) believers disappears with that response from you. Do you have children yourself? NOT in the biblical sense; seriously, can you imagine holding that opinion if a child of yours was abused by a paedophile?

          I see what earnestshub meant when he addressed this question to the religiously impaired. I guess he only left out 'morally bereft' to avoid offending the (surely, greater number of) religious people who can balance belief and behaviour... for god's sake.

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I have a theory about the paedophiles that seem to haunt all religions.
            The way they see it is the way they see all abuse.


            It's not abuse or paedophilia when a believer does it.

            I have 6 beautiful grandchildren and live with 5 of them.
            No blokes in funny black dresses get to go anywhere near them! smile

          2. Jerami profile image73
            Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Jerami wrote
            "Can pedophile be forgiven and enter into heaven?  I would think so!"
            ==  -- -  =

            writeronline wrote
              Any lingering doubt I may have had about the twisted morals of (surely, only some) believers disappears with that response from you. Do you have children yourself? NOT in the biblical sense; seriously, can you imagine holding that opinion if a child of yours was abused by a paedophile?
            =====  ------

              Me
            If any "Sins" are to be forgiven; who gets to draw the line between those that are forgivable and which are not? Not me for sure. 
              There are many crimes that I believe the only answer to is for the perpetrator to be expelled from the face of the earth, for the good of mankind. This would be Old Testament justice.

              Yes, I believe in the death sentence when applicable, and
            pedophilia is one of these instances.
               When a weed grows in my garden and starts choking my tomatoes I will eliminate the weed. I will have no ill will against the weed. I will not carefully transplant it (as in putting pedophile in a prison) but exterminate it.

              As far as what happens to the pedophile after they are exterminated, is not up to me to say. I do not have the understanding to make that judgment.

              Many people, possibly even you, cry that the death sentence is wrong under any circumstance; and then turn around and criticize the possibility of that criminal being allowed entry into an after life; that they do not believe in.
              That seems to be double minded in my book. 

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            writeronline wrote
            I see what earnestshub meant when he addressed this question to the religiously impaired. I guess he only left out 'morally bereft' to avoid offending the (surely, greater number of) religious people who can balance belief and behaviour... for god's sake

            = \ = \ =

               I also understand what earnest meant in this subject and many others.  I even agree with his statements  much of the time though I disagree with his overall conclusions.   Earnest, I apologize or talking about you in the third person.

              I agree with some of what almost everyone here in the forums are saying, though I can not agree with the overall and final conclusions.

               I agree that the bible is "THE Most" misunderstood Book on the planet. There are more interpretations of it than there are pages in it.   Who's fault is that?

               Ok that is enough rambling

            1. Castlepaloma profile image24
              Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              By CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES
              In the United States: • it is estimated that 3 million children were victims of.... hospital or similar institution, coroner; clergyman; social worker; ..... Approximately 100000 cases of child sexual abuse are confirmed annually
              I there is one child molestation by a. Clergyman, there are 9 other not out there hiding. Even criminal look at it as the worst crime man can ever commit and animal do not even have sex with their young

              Would you follow a clergyman like this to the gates of heaven?

              1. ceciliabeltran profile image80
                ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                the monkeys actually engage in sex play ...bonobos. and there is a lot of aggressive hostile guy on guy action among gorillas.

                i personally wouldn't follow a pedophile to heaven. but i frankly think a lot of clergymen are running from something, homosexuality is fairly common reason, then also they kind of snap at some point but don't know how else to live. so they live a lie.

                clergymen are people.

                1. Castlepaloma profile image24
                  Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  ceciliabeltran

                  I did not say homosexual acts,  not into that gay sex also, I mention gay sex to earnest he thought I was talking rooting, in which animal eat in Australia

                  I do support gay marriage and know of a gay priest that marries them.  For myself I couldn’t imagine the pain and the crap and than being stuck with pal-o-money payments too.

                  There are 5000 species of animal that have gay sex act. What animal has sex with their young? I have never heard of a case in my life time.

                  Religion has made gay sex dirty by making gays sex illegal in 76 countries and the death penalty in some. The Church have turned around and protects these paedophiles and molester clergymen on up to the Pope.

                  What kind of people, would you say these people are, do you know of a very nice name for them?

                  1. ceciliabeltran profile image80
                    ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    how about crazy? pedophilia ofcourse is the externalization of a desire to unite with childhood since they missed it.

                    but it does exist in the animal world, although not abusive but instructive. An ape would mount his mother and would be tolerated, although no real coupling would take place.

                    My goal is to inform you that things like groping and all that exists in the animal kingdom.

                    That said, just because dogs sometimes eat their poop, doesn't mean its natural for us to do it too.

              2. Jerami profile image73
                Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I have read that two of every five women were sexually abused in their youth by a family member and/or a friend of their family;  … and one out of five boys.

                   What does that say about family and friends of the family?

                   You ask ;  Would you follow a clergyman like this to the gates of heaven?
                   I am neither a follower nor a leader, though there are many that precede me and many that come after. 
                    Are you so sure of your beliefs that you would want to be responsible for those that you convince to follow you?
                    To be honest,  I'm not.  I am sure that my experiences did happen to me!  Am I sure that I have the right perception of  those experiences?  I only know that these are my perceptions which are subject to change.  But I won't change them for the purpose of following any other person.

                  So I would say in answer to your question, NO, I wouldn't follow such a person. If such a person happens to be a few steps ahead of me on the path that I travel;  so be it.

  5. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    Here is one answer from one of the religiously impaired.
    There are others, most are typically misspelled.

    "God definitely doesn't hate amputees. I know several people personally who've seen legs and arms grow out. One man actually held a child's feet out and heard cracking and popping as the shorter foot grew out to the same length as the other. God does miracles to prove His love and power."

    I chose this one, as my father was an amputee.

  6. Trish_M profile image87
    Trish_Mposted 6 years ago

    How about this one?

    Why, according to the Bible, did God have so many people killed ~ including little babies, having given a commandment not to kill / murder?

    Note that the suckling babes of the Amalekites were specifically mentioned.

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Yes, I don't know why, maybe because of the bonding between mother and suckling child, but I find that particularly insane. Of course killing anyone is insane, but that bit sticks. I am surrounded by young children as I write this.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image24
        Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        earnest - most of the question are sound and solid

        Jerami like most often you give a good try, just not good enough answers

        Religiously impaired best describes those 100s of unanswered religious question I’ve asked

        I asked my pastor (my real brother) 50 hard biblical questions and he tried to answer two of them, which he got incorrect and has been horrified and angry with me ever since. There is not one question I have ever refused to answer in my artist profession history; sometimes I gave the odd incorrect answers yet always seek for better answers.

        I’ve come to a semi understanding that all people are very social creatures like Wolves. There is no such thing as a lone wolf because he will die without the pack.  We create our own circle of relationships like packs and one big difference in my pack is I like to share with all other kinds of packs to love and learn by.

        A religious pack truth has become a casualty in this culture war. It is more important to be right than be honest. Integrity has been sold to the highest bidder. All major religious packs call themselves most holy and the only way.  Conversation do dry up fast if you are not in enough agreement with their indoctrinate belief and it makes a less friendly world.

        My only rule in my pack is be honest and do not harm, you break those simple rules you’re out, only got rid of one person ever, name me one group or pack that can do that?

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      Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

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      The Amalekite people descended from Amalek.  Scripture tells us of constant struggle between the Hebrew people and the Amalekites. They attacked the Jews as they made their way through the desert from Egypt.  Once out of Egypt, they continued to raid the Israelites camps making life even more difficult.  Their name literally means "fallen ones" but was incorrectly translate as "Giants" But they were very tall.   The Bible tells us that the children of the fallen angels, or Nephilim, were also very tall.  The Nephilim were considered evil and there is some speculation that some of there offspring are the Kenites, Caanites, and Amalekites.  Amalekite
      They were cannibals and murders.

      The reason God wanted lo kill them
      God gave the Amalekite people multiple warnings and plenty of time to repent.  They did not.
      So, God commanded Saul in 1 Samuel 15:1-3 to kill all of the Amalekites including men, women, animals, children, and babies.  Saul reported to God that he had done so but had lied.  He had not fulfilled God's command and the Amalekite line continued.  Many people get hung up on these verses especially the part about killing the babies.  But you have to remember that if these people were descendants of fallen angels then they therefore were evil, demons, and false prophets.  Given to their own devices they would destroy every good thing in the world by misleading people and causing abandonment of their belief in God.  Many people want to charge God with war crimes such as genocide because of this information.  However, they fail to take into account that God knew that the Amalekite people would continue to raid Israel and would try to kill King David not once, but twice!  This is another important point because Yahshua (Jesus) came from the lineage of King David which gives him the right to claim himself "King of Israel."  If David had been murdered Yahshua could not have come from this line.

      1. Trish_M profile image87
        Trish_Mposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hello Deborah smile

        Thanks for commenting smile

        Yes, I know that story very well, and I know the excuses given.

        But that does not really answer my question ~ because there is no answer. Basically, my question is rhetorical.

        According to the Bible, God ordered a whole tribe to be annihilated ~ specifically children and sucking babies.

        It is an atrocity.

        This, from a God who supposedly created us all and loves us all.

        This story is dreadful ~ setting a bad example.
        Saul was encouraged to murder babies, in spite of 'thou shalt not commit murder!'

        If he was a man, and he did this today, he would be arrested for war crimes.

        It cannot be explained away; it is horrific.

  7. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    Castlepaloma, I can't get past the sort of hate that is directed at people not only from the bible, but the very thought that anyone could justify killing or harming children is abhorrent!

    That the object of worship is such a threat is quite crazy isn't it?

    Even a reasonable human being makes the gods of religion look like a monster who is not simply psychologically naive, but a complete sociopathic.

    The christian gymnastics performed between OT and NT to deny the OT laws is over the top as well. smile

  8. jcnasia profile image60
    jcnasiaposted 6 years ago

    1. Why does god hate amputees? - There has never been a case of a single amputee growing back an arm or a leg yet god (supposedly) sees fit to regularly cure cancer sufferers and the blind.
       
    Miracles are a poor criteria for judging whether God loves someone.  Besides, does an ear count?
       
    2. Biblical Law - In Matthew 5:17-18 it states that Jesus wants Christians to follow the old testament word for word. Why don't they? And why do they actively disregard the parts of the old testament which they don't agree with or which are socially unacceptable these day, Like child slavery?
       
    Jesus summed up the whole law with two commands.  Love God and love your neighbor.  Christians don't disagree with these two laws.
       
    3. Eye of a needle - If Jesus said it's difficult, Even impossible, For a rich man to get in to the kingdom of heaven why do so many rich people believe in Jesus? why is it the goal of nearly every single christian to become rich? And why do TV evangelists always want your money?
       
    It's difficult for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven because he depends on himself and his wealth.  He is proud.  In contrast to the rich man, Jesus says that the poor in spirit are to be blessed.  In other words, those who recognize their insufficiency are willing to depend on God.  They are humble.
    It is not the goal of nearly every single Christian to become rich.  TV evangelists want your money to buy new cars and bigger homes.
       
    4. Did god create Cancer and aids - Did he? If so why? And why do good Christians also get them? Or was it a mistake? And if it was, Why not do something about it now?
       
    No, God did not create cancer and aids.  Disease, suffering, and death are the result of sin.  Often you cannot trace one particular sin to any one outcome.  And the reason there is sin is because God gave man personhood so we could make our own decisions, and we choose to rebel.  The alternative to personhood (free-will, love, beauty, significance, etc.) given to man from God is naturalism.  And suffering poses a bigger problem to naturalism than theism because naturalism concludes that the mind evolved by natural selection and truth is just what works.  In other words, truth is just an illusion.  There is not absolute truth.  We trick ourselves into thinking that suffering is bad and that life has meaning.
    God did do something about suffering.  Jesus suffered and died, and then rose again, proving that God has power over death and giving us hope.
       
    5. Bible Revisions - The bible read by Christians of today differs by many chapters and thousand of paragraphs from the original. Which one is the word of god and why does man edit it?
       
    The Bible we have today is the same as the Bible thousands of years ago (with just a few inconsequential changes).  There are more ancient manuscripts of the Bible than any other book, and they are found all over the place.  For example, they can look at manuscripts found in Europe and compare them with manuscripts found in Africa, and they are basically the same.
       
    6. Second Commandment - If the 2Nd Commandment is "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image" why do Christians wear crosses, Have statues and make films with Jesus' graven image on them?
       
    There is a difference between an idol and symbol.  Christianity has many symbols that communicate ideas and remind of us of past events, but that doesn't make them idols.
       
    7. Jesus Loves? - If Jesus loves why did he say "I will kill her children. Then all the churches will know that I am the one who searches hearts and minds." in Revelation 2:23. Is Jesus really a child killer?
       
    No.  He is not a child killer.  Revelation is a difficult book to understand because it is full of symbolism.  You could use a few online commentaries to figure out what the scholars say about this passage.
       
    8. Allegory - The bible states that the Earth is between 6,000 and 8,000 years old, that it was created in 7 days, and that Man is made of dirt and Woman a piece of Man. The modern church says this is allegory. Where does it say in the bible that it is allegory?
       
    There is disagreement in the church about the creation account so the 'modern church' doesn't hold any one stance.  The Bible doesn't say that it is allegory. 
    My personal opinion is that God made animals according to their kind, but prior to the creation of the sun, stars, and moon, I don't know how time was kept and what constituted a day.  The alternative theory of purposeless, naturalistic evolution doesn't seem to fit because of (1) the evidence (irreducible complexity in biology, information in DNA needing an author, and the exactness of the cosmos) and (2) the lack of evidence (50 years of fruit fly experiments and still just fruit flies, 50 years of amino acid experiments and no DNA, the gaps in the fossil record) and (3) the only evidence that we all remember from biology class in support of macro-evolution is mostly fraudulent (dead peppered moths glued to trees, misleading embryo diagrams) and (4) some of the biggest backers of evolution admit that evidence isn't necessary to them to accept it as fact.  Consider Richard Dawkins who wrote, "Even if there were no actual evidence in favor of the Darwinian Theory...we should still be justified in preferring it over all rival theories."  So, that is why I don't think naturalistic evolution is a satisfactory explanation for the origin of life.
       
       
    9. Witch trials, Inquisitions and crusades - Historians estimate the total number of people executed in the name of Jesus is as high as 15 million (mostly Jews, "witches" and pagans). How does it feel knowing that Jesus is responsible for 3 times as many deaths as Hitler?
       
    First of all, your math is off.  Hitler is responsible for killing around 11 million (and that's if we don't blame him for WWII) so 15/11 is approximately 1.5.
    Second, Jesus came to serve and told his followers to do the same.  If someone uses Jesus's name and religion to do something that is not in line with what Jesus taught, that isn't Christianity and it doesn't make Jesus the culprit.
       
    10. The only real SIN. - In Mark 3:29 it says "but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin". Is it true that paedophiles and child killers can be forgiven and get in to heaven but disbelievers can't?
       
    Yes.  It is difficult to accept that God's love is so great as to forgive someone the most heinous crimes and even begin to change them, but the good news is that it is open to anyone who will repent and ask for forgiveness.  A more difficult question though is, if naturalistic evolution is true, how can we even say authoritatively that pedophile, child killing, rape, and genocide are wrong?  Naturalism leads us with nothing other than 'might makes right.'

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      Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      ____________________________
      _____________________________
      #2. There are not two laws. He did not say the laws were summed up. He said all the laws hang on these two..meaning the other laws can be achieved if you love God and others. A person who truly loves would not do wrong to others.

      Matt 22
      40.On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

      #5 Today's bible is so different from the Hebrew bible (which it was taken from) many words are translated wrong and some are left out. Today's bible does not convey the true meaning.

      #6. And yet the Christians say the Jewish Star of David is of the devil.

      #8. Evolution fraudulent? You're kidding. We see evolution in everything,. even plants.

  9. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    I have to say, I have never read such an inaccurate unsubstantiated pile of misinformation before in my life!
    Where do you get this stuff? Was it bible class? lol

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      kimberlyslyricsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      lol lol  lol

    2. jcnasia profile image60
      jcnasiaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Which part would you like to have substantiated?

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Start at the start. Your answer about amputees. Will an ear do?

        Did your ear grow back?

        Or are you referring to the science that grew an ear on a rodent?


        If you want to do this point by point I will be happy to oblige.
        Unfortunately I will not accept "It's god's word" or goddunnit, as that would involve the old circular logic of "The bible said it, and that's the word of god" as arguments. smile

        1. jcnasia profile image60
          jcnasiaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I am referring to the recording of Jesus' arrest when Peter cut off the ear of the Chief Priest's servant's ear, and then Jesus promptly healed his ear.  But the main point was that the performance of miracles was a poor criteria to judge God's love for someone.

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            OK, now I'm with you! smile

            I would have thought it would be valid in the light of claims made.

            By the way, this is not a list I compiled. 

            I will not argue strongly on this, you have a valid point. I think there are more important criteria.

          2. Castlepaloma profile image24
            Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            jcnasia
            Miracles are a poor criteria for judging whether God loves someone.  Besides, does an ear count?

            You stated that an ear count is when Jesus demanded to cut off an ear and then he healed that ear, most anyone can heal an ear from a fresh clean cut of an ear because no bones or other complex body part involved

            Christian has been the world champions of murder in a uniform ever since the Roman’s. Hitler thought was doing Christ work by stamping out Jews, atheist and etc. I wonder if the terminator (like the fiction movie ) went back in time and killed a whole pile of people in order to save Jesus, do you think Jesus could heal that whole pile of bodies.

            More people have die in the name of God then for any other reason. For what reason is there to kill anyone.

            Is it not the absences of reason is pure evil?

        2. jcnasia profile image60
          jcnasiaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          The problem with your second question is that it assumes that all the laws in the Bible are to be universally applied, but in reality the Bible needs to be understood in its historical context.  Some are just to be used in that particular context--namely within the historical nation of Israel.  If we want to know which laws we still need to follow today, we sort it through the grid that Jesus gave us--loving God and loving our neighbor.

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            The problem is, that despite constant "adjustments" in the bible text, the magnitude of which you have not acknowledged, and the thousands of differing opinions as to the meaning of what remains is the common theme amongst believers.

            I can go to the Hebrew or Greek if you like, but the problems remain. It is a lot of hearsay to begin with, it is fragmented, and what remains is only a portion of the information from that time and times before, where the biblical god stories were lifted from by a few goat herders.

            Religion is a psychological condition that has no easy cure. I beat religion and cancer, it's been a great life. smile

            1. jcnasia profile image60
              jcnasiaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I'm not sure what your response has to do with what I wrote about the second question.

              1. earnestshub profile image88
                earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                That's OK, I thought I would save you some time is all. smile
                Could you repeat the part of what I said you disagree with, and could you do it without quoting scripture?

              2. jcnasia profile image60
                jcnasiaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Your second question from the list of 10 assumes that every aspect of the law is universally applicable.  That's the part I disagree with.  The Old Testament law can be divided into cleanliness laws and moral laws.  The cleanliness laws don't apply anymore.  They were given to the nation of Israel to help them understand that they must be respectful and intentional in their approach to God.
                The passage you refer to, Matthew 5:17-18, is found within the Sermon on the Mount, and in this sermon, Jesus only preaches about the moral law.  That is why I summarized the moral law as loving God and loving your neighbor.

                1. earnestshub profile image88
                  earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  The problem here is the disconnect between OT and NT. I wrote a hub called "The biblical god is a psychopath" which explains a bit of it.

                  The bible is divided and sliced by it's proponents in to what is myth, what is not..... using selective reasoning.

                  This is done by all who have approached this in any of the major religions.
                  Most of the christian religions hate each others guts  by the way, with catholics being separated as "not christian" by some, baptists by another group etc.

                  It's also worth noting the atrocities in the quoran that christians love to scream about could be seen as out of context as readily as the biblical threats and neurosis.

                2. jcnasia profile image60
                  jcnasiaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I don't see a disconnect between the OT and the NT, and I haven't used selective reasoning to divide the Bible into what is myth and what is not.  Typically, when I study the Bible, I try to figure out what was the author's original meaning to the original audience (which isn't me), then draw timeless principles from this meaning, and lastly apply these principles.  I also consider what type of literature a book of the Bible is.  For example, I'll interpret a book full of prophetic imagery like Revelation much differently than a historic account like Acts.  Maybe this method could be called selective reasoning, but it seems to be a common sense approach to the studying the Bible.
                     
                  The Bible to me is a seamlessly woven masterpiece, written by over 40 different authors from high and low positions and spanning 1,600 years.  It begins with creation (how things used to be and how they ought to be), and then the fall (how things are now).  The OT is consistently hammering home the fall and its effects while at the same time providing prophecies and real life pictures of redemption.  Think about Noah's Ark, the ram that was sacrificed by Abraham in place of his son, the Passover Lamb that was sacrificed the night before the Hebrews left Egypt, the bronze snake that healed the Hebrews while in the wilderness (that has now become a symbol for medicine).  Stories like these are throughout the OT, and they are all pointing to a future Savior.  In the OT, it is like God is wooing the Hebrews back to himself, but they continually prostitute themselves with false gods, so finally God comes in the NT and gives up his life for the people.  He wins them back, and not just the 'Chosen' Jews but all mankind.  After all, he originally chose Abraham for the purpose of blessing the nations through Abraham, not just to bless Abraham.

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                    jomineposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Misinformation. The symbol of medicine is the rod of Aesculapius,  Which was taken because the father of medicine, Hippocrates used it as he worshiped Asclepius.

                    The bibile is not a masterpiece, may be violent but not a masterpiece, but yo are right in saying that is a collection of books written by various authors over centuries. Even single books were authored by many, and edited and re-edited by so many.
                    If you really want to see a masterpiece of that size, see the Indian book The Mahabharata.

                    The so called prophecies were written long after it has taken place, so no price in guessing.
                    Noah's ark? Try the epic of Gilgamesh by the Babylonians long before OT is written. And my uneducated neighborer can come up with  more creative ideas, than the drowning thing brought by all powerful god. (I wonder, why kill animals?)

                    The great plan of god, to give permission to himself, for not sending humans to the hell, he created for them, by coming as his own son and killing himself, just to get resurrected after three days-hilarious. I agree, all powerful or not, none can top him in foolishness

                    Now purpose of life. What purpose you got, going to heaven, hardly worthwhile pursuing.
                    Morality is defined by societies. It changes and are continuously evolving. Just compare your OT morality with NT. If you were born in a cannibalistic society, what morality would you be preaching?

                    Truth,Right Wrong good bad and all are human concepts developed over time to maintain a society and has biological basis for humans as a species.

                  2. earnestshub profile image88
                    earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Seamlessly woven with at least 3 scriptures known but not included? Seamless after being shredded by the church of Rome?
                    If you were born in Bangladesh you would be quoting the other book just as all religions reflect culture.
                    Surely you jest! smile

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    Emile Rposted 6 years ago

    I'm going to put my two cents worth in. Because this is a good thread, and your debate with jcnasia is interesting. He/she seems pretty reasonable and so do you. From opposing sides.

    I don't think your question number ten focuses on the most important aspect; that could stop most of the arguments, if people would give each other credit for their thoughts. I've heard it before and that's why I believe Jesus was pretty smart.

    It says ' Say what you will about me or god, but don't talk bad about the Spirit'. That sounds to me like he knows everybody will disagree about the concept of God and we'll never see eye to eye about who he was. And he's saying there's  nothing wrong with that and it is to be expected; but don't lose sight that the spirit exists. It's the only real thing in the conversation.

    I think he was trying to point out that religion is off base, but there was a core reason it would always exist. They were aware of something quite simple, but could always be counted on to go around their elbow to focus on their a** in the process of explaining it.

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      Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      ___________________
      That scripture simply means don't attribute something of God's power to the devil.

      They had accused Yahshua (Jesus) of using the power of Satan to cast out Satan.

      this statement sums it up

      Mark 3

      30. Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

      Today the Christians accuse other religions of using the power of Satan, when in reality they are seeking and are of God. I wonder how many have blasphemed, and think they are of God.

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        Emile Rposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I'm not a theologian or a Bible scholar, so I wouldn't argue the point. I will say that from what I've seen many verses have multiple levels of meaning, which is why even the scholars disagree. But we are in agreement that those who 'blaspheme' the spirit are, many times, the religious themselves.

  11. jcnasia profile image60
    jcnasiaposted 6 years ago

    If I sat down with a evolutionary naturalist, I would ask the following questions:
       
    Since naturalism can be logically extended to say that the mind evolved by natural selection and so truth is just what works (pragmatism), how can life have any meaning or purpose?  Is an evolutionary naturalist being irrational to claim that life is the result of purposeless chance and then to live like life matters?

    How do you determine morality?  How can you authoritatively claim anything is right or wrong, good or bad?

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      If you cannot see morality without religion and understand that, I have nothing to add.

      1. jcnasia profile image60
        jcnasiaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I'm not saying that evolutionary naturalists are immoral.  Instead, I'm arguing that this belief provides no basis for morality.  Morality to an evolutionary naturalist is an irrational leap of faith that goes against evolutionary theory.

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          You wrote:
          "Morality to an evolutionary naturalist is an irrational leap of faith that goes against evolutionary theory."

          No, this is an irrational leap of faith. smile

          http://www.break.com/usercontent/2008/7 … oor-532172

        2. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          It' has always been easy to establish morals starting with the idea of ownership which dates back to caveman days.

          If you stole his food, your neighbour would teach you some morals really quickly. smile

          In these days, some of us have become a little more sophisticated and recognise that doing good things for people and being helpful is very pro survival for body and mind.


          Some have gone even further and recognise that giving love helps ourselves to understand love, receive it and live a great life with others because of it. We are all dependant on each other in the modern world, so it makes sense not to abuse relationships with others, or act without morals toward them.

          First came the understanding, then the laws to enforce them, not the other way around. smile

          1. mrpopo profile image86
            mrpopoposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Your last sentence says it all smile

    2. Merlin Fraser profile image79
      Merlin Fraserposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      " How do you determine morality?  How can you authoritatively claim anything is right or wrong, good or bad? "


        First Do No Harm. If you deliberately set out to do harm then I would say with a degree of authority that morally that would be wrong and I'm fairly certain if you claim any different then you seriously need some guidance.

      1. jcnasia profile image60
        jcnasiaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Please let me know how you determine this rule 'do no harm.'  Do you accept it by faith even though natural selection would suppose 'the survival of the fittest' or 'might makes right'?

        1. Merlin Fraser profile image79
          Merlin Fraserposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          First of all I think you need to define a timeline of some sort to determin at what point you wish to look at to decide where in evolution man discovered or invented a moral code of conduct.


          Early on in man's evolution The Law of the Jungle ruled, and yes it was the survival of the fittest. You would survive if you could run faster than the last person to see the danger creeping up on you.

          You seem to be avoiding the point that mankind is just another animal species on the planet and some how pure basic instict of survival doesn't apply to us.

          What is they say, you don't stop running when you get tired you stop when the lion gets tired...

          Wolves are highly social animals in their pack, but they do have a pecking order and rules, and transgressors will be dealt with. Just as they will kill other wollves from other packs who try to invade their terriory.  Does that demonstrate a moral code or just years of wolf evolution ?

          All animals have an ablity to think and reason, most don't use it because they have little need of it to live but man developed his powers of reason and therfore you could say started down a different evolutionary path.

          Either way you are talking about millions of years and little steps.  You are leaping around all over the place looking for an abstract which may not be there.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image24
            Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            YES! so God is a Frog! YOU are my true messiah,

            I know because I have followed a few

            1. Merlin Fraser profile image79
              Merlin Fraserposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              What God ?

              I'm sure somewhere in the world there are those who hold the frog in high esteem, why not, over the centuries every other animal has held the position at one time or another. Makes as such sense as a non existant one.

              To me it made more sense to worship the Sun, at least it actually does something and you can see it at work.

                Anyway thanks for the promotion but I hope you don't mind if I decline, my duties as Guru keep me very busy and I don't think I'd like all the adoration.

                 So exactly what point were you trying to make  ? 

                 That God Dun It in 6 days ?  Is that it ?

              1. Castlepaloma profile image24
                Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Your totally right!!! You are the Sun of God!!!

                I'm just messing with you Merlin

                1. Merlin Fraser profile image79
                  Merlin Fraserposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I guessed that !

                  No worries !

  12. thephilosopher899 profile image67
    thephilosopher899posted 6 years ago

    Great article! Very insightful, but I fear, as with most religious, there will be no true thought put into it, they will just spit what they've heard from others. That is (ironically) the same way they became religious in the first place!

    "If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people."        -Dr. House

  13. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    Good morning victims! smile

  14. C.V.Rajan profile image65
    C.V.Rajanposted 6 years ago

    I am not a Christian. I am a Hindu. But I believe Bible contains spiritual wisdom for those who seek it "earnest"ly (not "earnesthub"ly!)

    Personally, I found many of these questions shallow, intent on teasing rather than willing to understand.

    Since I could not answer them briefly, I have made a Hub: <link snipped, no self-promotion in forums>

    Those who are interested to know my answers to the queries in support of bible, with a fair doze of comparative wisdom from Hinduism, are welcome to read it.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image24
      Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I look at some of it, read the rest later

      It's pretty much Earnesthub questions, why would you go through the trouble of writting a hub on his questions. When you think these questions were shallow and more of a joke than an understanding?

      If I thought that it was weak, I would of pass the whole thread by and not waste my time. Often enough I am very serious when I am joking, it's called funny logic. It’s better to laugh than to cry and suffer.

  15. LittleFairy profile image80
    LittleFairyposted 6 years ago

    Very valid points you brought up. I agree with a lot of them, especially the part about the editing of the bible, it has been proven yet many Christians still treat the bible as the word of God.

  16. aguasilver profile image87
    aguasilverposted 6 years ago

    Greek One, I love it, when I first saw Earnest's post I thought to actually answer it seriously, but you have excelled in your answer, both factual and humorous, great stuff, poking fun at Earnest's attempt to muddy the waters!

    1. Castlepaloma profile image24
      Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Those anwers were not good enough, I guess we still can't throw out rhe baby along with the deep dirty bath water

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I enjoyed the Greeks humour, I usually do. smile The serious answers were all wrong though:) smile

        1. Castlepaloma profile image24
          Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Maybe your right, Australians have become the new Jews of today.

        2. DoubleScorpion profile image80
          DoubleScorpionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          You know Earnest. If more people would bother to actually research the bible itself and use more than the bible to research itself. They would be shocked at the information they would find. The sad part...There is actually free complete classes out there for both the Old and New testaments from the professors at Yale University...And I have offered the link to a few people and I was told, in not so many words, that their understanding of the bible was all they needed to know the truth. Those who wish to learn all they can about their faith will look regardless of the information found...and those who wish to live in the "religious dark ages" will never get past the inaccurate interpretations they claim as truth.

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I'm aware they had such classes, but did not notice that they are free. smile

            I was very serious as a religionist, and learned the whole darn thing, did a full bible study course in Hebrew Greek and English, joined the worlwide christian businesman's committee, argued with church leaders about doctrine and generally got in to it.
            I am seeing arguments from some who don't know their own belief system, they just believe it with "faith" because it is a helluva lot easier than knowing about it and then deciding what they believe. smile

            1. DoubleScorpion profile image80
              DoubleScorpionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Here is the link. For yourself if interested...as well as someting to pass on to others if they are so inclined to expand their minds..

              http://oyc.yale.edu/religious-studies

              Also there is other classes on the left hand side...

              1. earnestshub profile image88
                earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Thank you, that is an authoritative source and worth keeping. smile

                1. DoubleScorpion profile image80
                  DoubleScorpionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Don't expect many to wish to use it...smile

                  1. earnestshub profile image88
                    earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I have a friend who may wish to use it, or more precisely a family member who is looking at the clergy as a potential career path.
                    He seems serious about it.

                    As an aside, a great friend of mine became a priest. We were in fits of laughter when he told us. We really thought it was one of his jokes! John would make an Australian shearer blush! He could swear like a trooper could our John.
                    He has been happily ensconced for about 20 years now.
                    He wanted to help kids, and found a niche in a church owned and run kids home. smile
                    I don't hear from him often these days, but we have had some great battles about religious belief in the past.

        3. Greek One profile image78
          Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I am not a theologian, but I am pretty sure that indicating any of my answers are wrong violates the religious texts of all the major religions

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            That would not be a first for me I guess. smile

  17. ceciliabeltran profile image80
    ceciliabeltranposted 6 years ago

    One wonders what people avoid to do when they participate in these discussions. Root Canal? Laundry? Cleaning the bathroom?

  18. profile image0
    brotheryochananposted 6 years ago

    Another hilarious post earnest

    1. Why does god hate amputees?
        First you have to assume that god actually hates amputees and that would be wrong. Amputees can be saved like anybody else. As to their missing limbs growing back well we have to blame human nature for that. As Jesus walked, his signs and wonders were to illuminate the Jews, the miracles backed up his messiahship and played a role to convince the Jews that messiah had come. Nicodemus hits the nail on the head when he says, "no man can do the miracles you do unless he come from God". Signs and wonders (miracles) were necessary in Jesus time for different reasons than would happen today. Today we live by faith and curing cancer may not be a tactile a miracle as a growing appendage. If all christians were in perfect health and had limbs growing back all the time, it would be a sign of God, yes, but then people would come to christ for all the wrong reasons. I have a completely circumferencially scarred right leg with lymph edemia, If God were to heal that my faith would be altered in a negative way. Coming to God should never be a reason to be healed.

    2. Biblical Law - In Matthew 5:17-18 it states that Jesus wants Christians to follow the old testament word for word.
    I don't know what cult you were in but im glad you are out of it.
      Matthew 5:17   Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
      Matthew 5:18   For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
    Jesus while he lived the law was still in effect after he died it was not in effect any longer. Jesus came to fulfill, yes! and that's it. Fulfill. The "all be fulfilled" has not occurred yet and God has promised to keep watch over his book.

    3. Eye of a needle - If Jesus said it's difficult, Even impossible, For a rich man to get in to the kingdom of heaven why do so many rich people believe in Jesus?
       Matthew 19:24   And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
      Mark 10:25   It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
      Luke 18:25   For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
    Jesus did not say impossible. He said it was hard. If we read further we find this man had his faith in his money not in God.

    4. Did god create Cancer and aids
    No he did not. Lets go back to the garden shall we.

       ...cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
      Genesis 3:18   Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
    Nature itself was subject to the dismissal of Adam from the garden. What God would have blessed and caused to be fruitful; Adam declined. Paul goes on to say:
      Romans 8:22   For we know that the whole creation groans and travails in pain together until now.
      Biblically where God does not bless, is cursed. If people stray from the natural way or Gods chosen way, then the blessings of God are not found there and where God is not actively blessing, bad things happen. There is also some dispute that aids was manufactured in some lab somewhere by the government (america i think) to control population. I think you've heard that story but you do like to blame God for everything, dontcha smile

    5. Bible Revisions
    There are lots of translations, some are just stupid ones, others are cleverly devised (NIV) but we today have access to the original scriptures and personally i don't see such a huge digression as you like to purport, but i don't have lots of faith in what you purport either. Get a king james, its a difficult read but it makes ya think.

    6. Second Commandment
    You keep misquoting.
    You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not BOW down to them nor serve them.
    the graven images were not to be worshiped. A cross is not in the earth or the water or in heaven above.

    7. Jesus Loves? in Revelation 2:23.
    Again you have conveniently grabbed one verse and used it out of context. Until you correct this programming malfunction i will not debate these topics with you. Context is so important. Do you remember the lake of fire, the second death? If you read the other scriptures around the one you took out of context the answer is in verse 24. People who are involved in the depths of satan will go to the lake of fire.

    8. Allegory - The bible states that the Earth is between 6,000 and 8,000 years old, Where does it say in the bible that it is allegory?
    You will have to read Genesis chapter 1 and 2. As to allegory. The bible never states that this is allegory, allegory is only found by allegorical usage.

    9. How does it feel knowing that Jesus is responsible for 3 times as many deaths as Hitler?
    First off, Jesus is not responsible. Why do we blame Jesus for this war and not the others? We need to ask why is Jesus responsible for the massacres incurred by Genghis khan? and all the others who had an unjesus agenda. Come on. Give this one up already.

    10. whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin". Is it true that paedophiles and child killers can be forgiven and get in to heaven but disbelievers can't?
    Even people who rant against God and call him a sky fairy can repent and be forgiven in Gods eyes, although the human race may never forgive them. People who are on the right track with God will never commit pedophilia nor kill a child, if they do, their connection with God is poor, a lie or a deception. True faith in God and living for God does no evil but loves all. So just to be clear, God will forgive everyone but they have to actually be a christian in the witness of their lives fruitfulness.

    Hope this helped. It was pretty much a no brainer. Not much of a standard for one who studied in one side of the bible and out the other. lol

    1. Beelzedad profile image58
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Would this be one of those appropriate times to sound the buzzer, brother?

      Jeremiah 30:17
      For I will restore health to you And heal you of your wounds,' says the LORD

      Hosea 6:1
      Come, and let us return to the LORD; For He has torn, but He will heal us; He has stricken, but He will bind us up.

      eremiah 17:14
      Heal me, O LORD, and I shall be healed

      Psalm 30:2-3
      LORD my God, I cried out to You,And You healed me.

       

      That makes no sense considering there are many believers who do not stray from your god, yet "bad things" happen to them, like cancer. How do you explain that?



      We'll make sure to remind you grab verses and use them out of context, too.



      Perfect. lol

      1. jcnasia profile image60
        jcnasiaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Beelzedad,

        You bring up a good point.  The Bible says that God heals people, but the death rate is still 100%.  So bad things must be happening to good and bad people.  In fact, if being crucified is a bad thing, then 'bad things' even happened to Jesus.

        So how does Christianity explain this?

        First of all, we can rule out the possibility that mankind suffers because God doesn't love us.  We can rule this out because Jesus gave up his life for us, and if this isn't sacrificial love, I don't know what is.

        Second, the Bible explains that sin is the cause of our suffering and death.  It even causes suffering in nature (think pollution).  Sometimes we can link someone's suffering with their sin.  For example, that guy has aids because he slept with 100 prostitutes.  But other times we can't link someone's suffering with their own sin.  The gal who is the faithful wife to the previous guy also ends up with aids.

        Third, the Christian hope is not near-sighted.  Jesus' resurrection gives us hope, and Paul wrote in one of his letters something along the lines that we don't grieve as those without hope (but we still grieve).  We have something to look forward to (resurrection and perfect healing).

        So, that's how Christianity makes sense out of 'bad things'.  How does naturalism make sense out of 'bad things'?

        1. Beelzedad profile image58
          Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          No, you're just dismissing that out of hand.



          Your Jesus did not "give up his life" - the myth goes such that he was crucified by the Romans, in other words, they took his life. That had nothing to do with "sacrificial love".

          A person who committed a crime and is sent to the gas chamber does not "give up his life".



          You still haven't explained why good, god fearing Christians get cancer? Or, why good, god fearing Christians might get aids from a needle or blood transfusion.

          You are simply stating that whenever anything bad happens to good, god fearing Christians, some sin must be involved that you cannot account, but you'll believe it anyways.



          I saw only belief in your explanation, no sense was evident at all.



          You're joking, right? Do you actually believe nature makes choices as to what will happen to certain people and not others? Hilarious. lol

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            brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Ya cant take the life of someone who is God. Is this what you believe?

               Matthew 26:53   Think you that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
              Matthew 26:54   But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?
            Jesus died to fulfill the scriptures. That was one of His many reasons.
            Garden of Gethsemane before the crucifixion when the cohort came to arrest Jesus.

            Roman floggings are meant not leave survivors. Bits of glass and metal were attached to the ends and those pieces just tore the guts out of people, usually. The power of God kept the body of Jesus alive for 6 hrs after that. He was flogged 3 times. His blood dripped to the ground for 6 hrs. His forehead bled. He had nails through his wrists and feet. Could any mere mortal live that long? The ones next to him were tied, not nailed and they were not whipped either. Crucifixion was meant to be a slow death, the life just ebbed away, drained slowly. Near the point of death the person had no strength left, eventually their legs couldnt hold them up and they suffocated.
            BUT
              Mark 15:37   "And Jesus cried with a LOUD voice, and gave up the ghost.
              Mark 15:38   And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.
              Mark 15:39   And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he SO cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God".
            Why did the centurion think that.. because he had seen many crucifixions and the life ebbed away and none had strength, but this mans death was unusual.
            AND
            John 19:30   When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
            When people die the head drops after death. This head was bowed and then he died.

            1. Beelzedad profile image58
              Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              No, it would appear that is what you believe. But, if that's your rationale, then it isn't any more valid than saying, "God did it." And, if that is the case, that is your one and only argument for everything. Now that you've made your one and only argument, you can bow out.



              I think you're trying to make a point there, somewhere. You're trying to say that some people die sooner than later after being crucified, is that right?

              Or, is your point such that we are to believe someone was right there, Johnny on the spot, quoting a centurion? lol

          2. jcnasia profile image60
            jcnasiaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Beelzedad,
            You asked us to explain how bad things can happen to good people, and I gave you the Christian explanation for suffering.

            If nature doesn't care who suffers and who doesn't, and you're a part of nature, do you care?

            1. Beelzedad profile image58
              Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Perhaps, but it didn't explain reality, hence it is full of holes and begs the question.



              I did not say that, what I said is that nature does not make choices as to who will get cancer and who will not when compared with the religious belief that sin is a deciding factor in those choices.

              Yes, I am part of nature as are you, however we don't decide who will get cancer and who won't, do we? Does any other part of nature make those decisions? smile

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        brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        hahahahahahaha beelie.... sound of the buzzer dude
        jer 30:17 is out of context
        Jeremiah 30:15   Why criest thou for thine affliction? thy sorrow is incurable for the multitude of thine iniquity: because thy sins were increased, I have done these things unto thee.
        The key contextual word is RESTORE in verse 17.

        Hosea 6 the key word is RETURN

        Jer 17:14 you did not even finish... "for you are my praise".  There are no blanket promises. Each condition for prosperity is attached to a condition. IF God is not their praise, shall they be healed?

        You are really in wayyyyyyyyyy over your head.
        as to me pickin verses out of context ----------- PROVE IT! i just did to yours neener neener.
        I grow weary of your lies and mistruths and posts that just aim to demean and slander

        Nice post jncasia the folly of mans ego is so easily witnessed in these atheist spewings.

        1. Beelzedad profile image58
          Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          So what? Jeremiah 30:17 states quite emphatically that god did in fact heal and restore his health, which would appear to refute your claim:

          "Coming to God should never be a reason to be healed."



          Again, so what, it still refutes your claim.



          That doesn't matter at all, it still refutes your claim that believers do come to god to get healed.



          lol  Refuting your claims is as easy as drinking water while swimming in a lake.

          But, I do understand why you would say such a thing when your claims are refuted. smile

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            brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            again you miss the context. I was gonna erase my asking you to prove it because i thought.. oh sheesh, this will just be a war of context.
            and i was right....

            coming to jesus (for salvation) healing must never be the goal. In this context we come to jesus because we realize our need for God AS sinners. This was the context of the sentence you took out of context.
            Once saved WE CAN ask Jesus to heal us, no problem, but when becoming christian, when needing salvation, we cannot come to God expecting our illnesses or missing limbs to be miraculously healed.

            My claims can only be refuted if taken out of context.
            One more shot and make sure you get the context correct this time.

            1. Beelzedad profile image58
              Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              In other words, if we don't accept YOUR interpretation of context, then it isn't valid.



              Yup, exactly as I suspected. YOUR interpretation. Funny how it still does not support your claim, though, because those quotes and more just like them do indeed show that people were coming to god to be miraculously healed, whether you believe they should or shouldn't is irrelevant.  smile

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                Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                _________________
                He even contradicts the bible he says he believes in.

                James 5
                14. Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

                15. And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

                1. Beelzedad profile image58
                  Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Not only that, fair maiden, he does not even acknowledge the fact there are all kinds of threads on these forums alone in which many have asked for prayers to god to miraculously heal there sick kids, spouses, friends, whoever.

                  I think he has come up with his very own personal religion. smile

  19. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    So glad you were entertained.

    I must say I enjoyed this whitewash of the hate filled biblical entity. lol

    The bone ignorant superstitious sexist goat herders who wrote this dribble would have been delighted! lol


    It being a no-brainer would have been helpful. smile

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      brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Now now don't go gettin all angry because what you thought was a good post turned out to be crap again.
      But do keep trying i enjoy showing you the light of context and proper interpretation, you need it.
      In view of the Unsuccessfulness of your post i am surprised you racistly insult goat herders. I dare say they could teach you a thing or two.
      I be thinkin you be feelin pretty embarassed over this ruined post of yours smile

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I am so embarrassed!

        My life is now in ruin due to the mess I have made of all my posts.

        If only I had learned all the deep and meaningful things you tried to teach us all about the truth.

        You are obviously one of the greatest minds of all time!

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          brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Over flattery is just another compensation device y'know, like the small man who rides a big truck.
          Dig deep, speak the truth. I can tell the difference.

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Yes I know! I have been on the wrong side of your brilliance before!

            Formidable! lol lol lol A legend in your own mind.

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              brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Good.
              Now that you agree
              Perhaps you are fertile soil and not rock anymore.

              1. earnestshub profile image88
                earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Like I said... a legend in your own mind.

              2. earnestshub profile image88
                earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Aren't you fed up with being wiped out every time you make one of your proclamations yet?

                Half the people in this forum have had you for breakfast..... it has been more like a feast! lol

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                  brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  of course that is your interpretation
                  so i will have to believe the opposite is true lol

                  and speaking of breakfast, here some reality for ya
                  I've had you for breakfast so many times i've lost count.

                  goodbye earnest

  20. OpinionDuck profile image61
    OpinionDuckposted 6 years ago

    When all is said and done, the world today is no better than at any time in history. Whether God exists or doesn't exist, he is impotent or reluctant to make the world a better place.

    Evil is and has always been dominant. No one has to be taught or reminded to be evil, they do however have to be taught or reminded to be good.

    Punishing people for an eternity as the believers believe is cruel if true. Demonic would be a better word.

    Genesis and the Garden of Eden rank right up there with Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. Punishing two newbies, with no life experience of training, and allowing the evil to be in their garden puts the blame on God not them. To create billions and billions of humans just to punish the act of two is also demonic.

    Many believers are looking forward to going to Heaven, yet they have no idea what or where is Heaven. They also have no idea what they will do there for Eternity.

    One thing for sure it won't be a continuation of your earthly life, friends, family etc. There will be only one TV station and it would be the pray to God channel. You could win the duty to clean and polish the throne, but billions of people would be also trying to get that privilege.


    Now if you go to Hell, you would be forced to watch porno, do drugs, and do all the things that would put you in jail.

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      brotheryochananposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      you talk of making the world a better place. How much of the world follow Gods ways? Lets think corporately for a minute. I have a company and i have rules to be abided by in a company but nobody follows them. Have i failed at making my company better? If i don't get rid of those who rebel, i have, but God is more merciful than me. You apply 'God makes no difference' but God has instructed ways to make a difference but people don't follow them.
      Should you really then say God has made no difference?
      What about the people that God has made a difference in? They go about trying to make a difference in others and their world, sorry the impact is not enough to make a difference in the world but  today God makes a difference in people, one at a time and when the numbers of believers out number the number of unbelievers a different sentence will be formed that will read like this, "wow, God has made this world a better place".

      Also you subscribe to a belief in the garden of eden that you cannot believe. There are other interpretations. A literal snake who tricks eve into eating of the apple is not an interpretation i subscribe to. I believe there to be much allegory and metaphor in this chapter.
      You can read more about the serpent here
      http://hubpages.com/hub/Tet-shtn-and-the-garden

      Hell is also a catholic doctrine to inspire fear and control and keep the masses in the church. Again a doctrine that i do not adhere to:
      You can read more about this here:
      http://hubpages.com/hub/why-I-chose-not … ve-in-Hell

      This is not to purport my own hubs, score is irrelevant to me. I just wanted to show you that there are other interpretations that are just as allowable. God bless the person who can live believing in a literal snake and keep in the ways of God, but if you can't do that then consider other options before blasting your laser gun.

  21. Onusonus profile image86
    Onusonusposted 6 years ago

    1. Why does god hate amputees? -Because growing limbs back would be a much too vulgar display of power.......

    2. Biblical Law - Matthew 5:17-18

    Unfortunately so called liberal laws prohibit us true Christians from exercising our God given right to child endangerment.



    3. Eye of a needle

    Money makes the world-go-round, I prefer to sit on the stretch limmo shaped horsey!


    4. Did god create Cancer and aids

    Yes, to punnish the bad people who secretly act good all the time but inside are just a bunch of meanies.

    5. Bible Revisions

    The bible was never revised, it was origionally written in english.

    6. Second Commandment

    I honestly have no Idea, I never have, but rest assured all the ones who do will burn forever.....

    7. Is Jesus really a child killer?

    Yeah, he was a gun toting meat eating, republican. But historically speaking he only went on a few murderous rampages.

    8. Allegory - Where does it say in the bible that it is allegory?

    What the heck does allegory mean? That's a look up.

    9. How does it feel knowing that Jesus is responsible for 3 times as many deaths as Hitler?

    Jesus is actually responsible for every death that ever happened since the begining [7000 years ago?]. Shame on you for underestimating his power.

    10. The only real SIN. 

    This is a misinterpertation of what is being said, the only real sin is me not finishing off this plate of chocolate covered bon-bons sitting in front of me.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image24
      Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Onusonus
      Mmmmm,

      1. Growing limbs back would be a much too vulgar display of power.......

      I may convert to Christianity if they could grow back a limb rather than blow up limbs in holly wars.

      2. Biblical Law - Matthew 5:17-18 Liberal laws prohibit us true Christians from exercising our God given right to child endangerment.

      Many Christians are not Christ like; anyway, Are liberal Christian anti children? US liberal are mostly Christians and their leader too, I would vote them out of  power too, try atheist for change and hope, they can't do worst.

      3. Eye of a needle
      Money makes the world-go-round; I prefer to sit on the stretch limo shaped horsey!

      Be fair, give everyone a stretch limo and eat cake every day, why wait for heaven?


      4. Did god create Cancer and aids
      Yes, to punish the bad people who secretly act well all the time but inside are just a bunch of meanies.

      Where, How and What are all these bad people, are they the poor people. Or lesbians.

      5. Bible Revisions

      The bible was never revised, it was originally written in English.
      T
      hen Hebrew and Creek are all originally written in BS

      6. Second Commandment

      I honestly have no Idea, I never have, but rest assured all the ones who do will burn forever.....

      Then will you set the Vatican on fire or wait for God to do that

      7. Is Jesus really a child killer?

      Yeah, he was a gun toting meat eating, republican. But historically speaking he only went on a few murderous rampages.

      Like Christian soliders burning villages in the Middle East

      8. Allegory - Where does it say in the bible that it is allegory?

      What the heck does allegory mean? That's a look up.

      You were the only one who voted that the Earth is between 6,000 and 8,000 years on my survey

      9. How does it feel knowing that Jesus is responsible for 3 times as many deaths as Hitler?

      Jesus is actually responsible for every death that ever happened since the beginning [7000 years ago?]. Shame on you for underestimating his power.

      Then it is not safer to run away from Jesus rather than to always live in fear, murder  and quilt

      10. The only real SIN. 

      This is a misinterpretation of what is being said, the only real sin is me not finishing off this plate of chocolate covered bon-bons sitting in front of me.
      Is it not better to adjust our mistakes in life? rather than to keep fattening up on sin.

      Sorry answers are not good enough as  it went over like a die cow,

      Someone else give it a try.

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I can't. Apparently I am one of the bad people who got cancer. lol
        My religious friend got cancer, but he must be even worse than me, cos he prayed and died, whereas I am still here.

        I do however realise from some of the posts that some religionists would like  me to have been the one who died to support their beliefs.
        Not all of them think this way, some will say he got "called home" whereas I stay to suffer here in life! lol

        I wonder if their lives have been so bad that they think death is a better alternative?
        That would explain a lot.

        1. Castlepaloma profile image24
          Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I am sure, fear of Hell is the greatest motivator for Christian membership, and their up side is for social reasons.

          Fear is really about the unknowns, once people understand living and death surround them continually, then health and what we can forget, (for example like hell) will bring us higher energy and happiness within.

  22. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    And you saw all this first hand right?

    No jesus, no god, no fairies at the bottom of the garden, just one psychotic book written by the morally challenged.

    It would be hilarious if not for the loons who believe it then foist their hateful junk on the rest of us.

  23. Diane Inside profile image81
    Diane Insideposted 6 years ago

    I cannot answer any of these questions to suit you I'm sure.

    I will say the cross for me is not an image I pray to.

    I do not like images of the Virgin Mary or Jesus as many of the Catholic churches do.

    I only look at the cross as a reminder of Jesus being crucified on the cross.

    I do not own one. I remember when the big WWJD movement was going around. Everybody wore those stupid bracelets. I looked at them as advertisements that the wearer was in fact a Christian and one would think they would let their actions be a witness to others.  Such was not the case. I never wore one of those bracelets, because I am sure many could find flaws in my actions at certain times.

    Sorry I could not answer any of your questions if I tried.  I only know I believe there is a God thats all.  I believe. I cannot prove nor do I want to, I believe faith is all I need.

    If you want answers you will never find them, because thats not what it is about.

  24. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    So Dianne you will hold to those beliefs even if the evidence for it being wrong was stacked to the ceiling even though you seem to be saying you can't answer the questions? smile

    With that amount of biblical knowledge I would not even post, let alone try to defend my beliefs, I would be questioning them if in that position myself.

    1. Diane Inside profile image81
      Diane Insideposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I don't know I would have to see the evidence is it accurate and tangible. Is it scientifically proven without a doubt.

      I suppose I could be wrong, just I suppose you could be wrong.

      The truth of the matter is we will not know till we die, or Jesus comes back, do I think I stand a better chance than you to get  "into heaven" no I do not.

      I think it would be easier to prove their is a God than to prove there isn't, just because it is easier to prove something exists than it is to prove something doesn't exist.

      what I mean by that is, many years ago, science has proven many things, such as atoms, molecules, etc,  Something that at one time no one knew existed. 

      I actually believe in science, and the scientific method.  But I also beleive anything is possible, because science finds new things all the time that was once thought impossible.

      And sorry I did not post to show how much knowledge I had, I can't answer those because I am not in the mind of God.

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Nice post Dianne, you have been very reasonable.
        I agree, science is moving very fast and discovering new things all the time.
        I'm not so sure dying will tell us anything. Once blood supply to the brain stops, so does having a brain to process with.

        To me, religion is a function of that very brain. A mechanism as old as the human race, and a direct response to the subconscious fear of death from the amygdala.

        1. Diane Inside profile image81
          Diane Insideposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          And who knows you could be right, or wrong.  As for myself, not everything is so cut and dry.

          There are so many unexplained questions, and I look forward to the answers however that may come. Dying won't tell us anything you are right if there is no God, as you've said once the brain stops thus so does the brain process.

          However, if there is a God then there is a "spirit world" then we will know.   Of course, some of us would not be happy with that, because that means there is a judgement.  Myself included.

          One question if I may, Did you ever believe at some point in your life or have you always been a non-believer?

          Just curious....

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Like yourself and I feel many others, I would love to live on, it is the biggest attraction to belief.

            In answer to your question, I was bought up with a very religious mother, but thought from an early age that it was not true.

            Indoctrination is hard to shake though, and when I was a young I became a born again christian through being told about religion again by an evangelistic Baptist (Australian variety,) not like the American version)
            I was selling children/'s life insurance at the time, and I joined him in a partnership. He hammered on religion all day when we were travelling in his car and in the office.
            He was most unusual, in that he and his brother and father had owned a building company that went belly up before completing the houses they were building.
            He went without half the floor in his house, while he went and finished all the work they had started on other peoples homes.
            My Dad was a big influence on my life, so I had inherited his morals, and admired this guy for his grand gesture.

            He also impressed me with how he used his money.
            He would add up how much he needed for the month, then get on his worldwide radio and locate charities to give ALL the rest of his money to them.
            I was totally in to it! I not only became a christian, I also joined the christian busineman's committee, studied the bible in 3 languages for 2 years and pushed my religion on others.
            We were motivated, selling a million dollars worth of insurance and joining the million dollar "round table" which is for the big boys of insurance.
            The story is very long and convoluted, but to make it brief. the minister and he absconded with a million bucks they had raised for an old folks home!
            I went into my own business and hit the front quickly, making a lot of money in a short time. The money worried me, as I had never been rich before, so I decided to do 6 years of psychotherapy with the best shrink in the country. It was strange! I was supposed to wait 2 years for an appointment, but someone cancelled so I got started straight away as money was no problem by then. I tackled it with as much enthusiasm as I did religion culminating in reading ALL of Jung, Hillman, Von Franz and other post Jungians. I have literally hundreds of books on the subject as I still read the latest info till today.
            That is a quick glance at how I overcame my indoctrination. smile

            I just realised I have written a helluva lot. I should have answered the question with brevity. lol

            1. Diane Inside profile image81
              Diane Insideposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              whoa, sounds like you were not only in the religion so to speak but ate slept and breathed it, literally. 

              well I was not brought up that way I guess my parents were only mediocre Chrisitans at best, and I am much the same way.  I believe but am not interested in pushing it onto people I try to answer if I can but I know I am ill equipped really to do much good.

              Funny story though, My husband went to work one day and was assigned to train a new guy.  This new guy was all religious going on about how good Jesus is and was very annoying as my husband put it.  Now my husband believes but is by no means a "good christian" by any standard.  I was really surprised he didn't tell this new guy where to go. He held his tongue, and got through the day.

              I myself have had much the same experience with people coming up to me trying to push it on me telling me to read my bible, pray, etc.

              I have found that the best response is to say I am not interested and walk away.  If I was forced to be around them in his situation, I have been known to ask them to respect my wishes not the continue and if not then go straight to management. That has thus far stopped any unwanted pushers. 

              I know you are well versed in the bible. I am not, nor do I want to be, because I am not entirely convinced that it is completely true. 

              Anyhow thanks for answering my question.

              as for your ten questions. Well, somethings are just not for us to know. 

              And why would we want to know everything?  I kinda like a little mystery.

              1. Stevennix2001 profile image83
                Stevennix2001posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                hi diane! smile

            2. Castlepaloma profile image24
              Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Once surfed a huge wave in Hawaii and had a bad crush, my first thought reincarnated as a sand crab. Still not know what end was up or down I started dealing with God if he helps me live, I will give him lots lots of money. Of course my fearlessness won out and surface again. If I was planted in sand my afterlife would have continue into some other life form or another, much like being buried into the soil. I was not imagining living in some extreme happiness heaven smile down on earth and hell forever

              Point is, God can be everything and afterlife dose continue in nature in some way. Why pay some bully big white man in the sky some sand dollars from his own sea banks, just like another wizard of OZ trick.

              1. earnestshub profile image88
                earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I was at Waikiki a few years back, and got scared spit-less when I saw all the blood in the water from coral cuts the surfers had. I didn't go in! smile

          2. Beelzedad profile image58
            Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            And yet, there are so many, many more questions that have been explained and the ones that haven't been explained yet have nothing to do with the existence of gods, they are questions that are extensions to other explanations.

            smile

      2. Beelzedad profile image58
        Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Science does not prove things without a doubt. Science provides the very best explanation for a phenomenon with supporting evidence.

        A religious belief does not have any supporting evidence and does not offer the best explanation. And, when we try to make predictions based on science or a religious belief, the belief fails almost every time.

        So, it is the intelligent mind that can decide if it wants to accept the very best explanation based on supporting evidence or the religious belief based entirely on faith.



        Agreed. However, in this case we can do neither. Hence, we need to rely on the very best explanations based on supporting evidence as faith does not offer proof of existence, non-existence or an explanation. It offers nothing but faith.



        Perhaps, but science has found absolutely nothing that would support the existence of gods. So, if you believe that gods are impossible and science will find that they are possible, what does that say about ones faith and their religious beliefs?

        smile

    2. jcnasia profile image60
      jcnasiaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Earnesthub,

      I think she has some good company.  I found the following quote, "Even if there were no actual evidence in favor of Christianity...we should still be justified in preferring it over all rival theories."

      Actually, I made that quote up.  The real quote is by Richard Dawkins, and he says, "Even if there were no actual evidence in favor of Darwinian theory..we should still be justified in preferring it over all rival theories."

  25. Mikio profile image90
    Mikioposted 6 years ago

    Your ten questions are both funny and witty.  They just might shut up those obnoxious (over-the-top) Jesus freaks.  It's too bad, however, that Christians in general are being perceived as a bunch of superior-position taking fanatics.  There are some very intelligent and thoughtful and humble Christians.  Late Mister Rogers comes to my mind.

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Thank you. I believe there are good people in every walk of life, but some of their beliefs? smile

  26. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    I like reality. smile I have had to deal with a lot of it in my life.
    I spent a lot of years as a people observer in my own businesses, and have needed to be broad minded as I was dealing with the Hells Angels, Coffin cheaters, Road Rebels and many other bike gangs for many years in my motorcycle shops. I also had to deal with the god bothering bikers for god or whatever they called themselves.

    Later I had other businesses including an International business consultancy I started in the late seventies and owned the company until recently, which took me to America and South East Asia, where I saw a lot of religion and poverty. smile

    Unlike you, I have to know all the facts.... part of my make-up I suppose.
    It is difficult to deal with bike gangs if one has a fixed position, so I change with what I learn.
    Nice hearing your story, and getting to know you a little better! smile

  27. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    Hi Deborah. smile You told that very well, and once again I find the information to be accurate.

    I don't agree with it, (I hardly need to tell you that.) smile but that is what was written as I understand it too. smile

    Give your little man an extra cuddle from me. smile

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      Deborah Sextonposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      __________________
      Hi Earnest
      I know you don't and you don't even have to say it.
      As a matter of fact,. I just interpret what is written,. but it doesn't mean I necessarily believe it.

      I could write many hubs on different subjects,. but when I do people say I am a witch or evil.blah blah blah. Yet if someone writes a murder mystery they are not accused of being a killer.

      Pretty stupid for people to judge someone for what they write about or sell.

      Thank you for your kind words. I will hug my boy for you.

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Thank you! I bet he is the apple of his mommy's eye!
        I am with my three little one's as I write, so plenty of love around here at the moment! smile

        It is strange that people make assumptions about other people's morals based on their own beliefs about witches etc.

        You know me... publish and be dammed, I write a lot of things that get me in to arguments, but I write them anyway.

        I would love to read a hub that was controversial enough to bring on a good old fashioned witch woppin! That would amuse me no end. smile

      2. Castlepaloma profile image24
        Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Deborah Sexton

        I trust the witches more than the snow white type
        Not much for blond thinking, I don’t mean hair colour

  28. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    The definition I have of blasphemy would mean 30,000 or so religions christanity would need to "accept" to avoid blaspheming against one of them smile

  29. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    What are the chances of you, in your limited culture choosing the right one and only religion?

    This is not aimed at any particular person or belief system.

    Here are a few momotheistic Abrahamic ones to consider.

    Bábísm
    Bahá'í
    Bahá'í Faith
    Orthodox Bahá'í Faith
    Islam
    Kharijites
    Nation of Islam
    Shiite
    Alawites
    Ismailis
    Jafari
    Zaiddiyah
    Ghulat including
    Alevi / Bektashi
    Ahl-e Haqq
    Yazidi
    Druze
    Ahmadi
    Sunni
    Berailvi
    Deobandi
    Hanafi
    Hanbali
    Maliki
    Mu'tazili
    Shafi'i
    Wahhabi
    Sufism
    Naqshbandi
    Bektashi
    Chishti
    Mevlevi
    Zikri
    Judaism (see also: Jew; Hebrews)
    Contemporary divisions
    Karaite Judaism
    Rabbinic Judaism
    Orthodox Judaism
    Haredi Judaism
    Hassidic Judaism
    Modern Orthodox Judaism
    Reform Judaism
    Conservative Judaism (Masorti)
    Reconstructionist Judaism (arguably not a religion)
    Humanistic Judaism (arguably not a religion)
    Historical Sects
    Hasmoneans
    Essenes
    Pharisees
    Sadducees
    Zealots
    Sicarii
    sects that believed Jesus was a prophet
    Ebionites
    Elkasites
    Nazarenes
    Crypto-Jews
    Marranos
    Conversos
    Christianity (see List of Christian denominations)
    Eastern Orthodoxy
    Roman Catholicism
    Oriental Orthodoxy (Monophysitism)
    Nestorianism
    Protestantism
    Anabaptists
    Anglicans
    Baptists
    Lutherans
    Methodists
    Pentecostals
    Reformed
    Calvinism
    Presbyterian
    Religious Society of Friends (Quakers)
    Unitarians
    Waldensians
    Latter-day Saints
    Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
    Community of Christ
    Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
    Seventh-day Adventist
    Jehovah's Witnesses
    Messianic Judaism (not actually Judaism but rather Jewish-rite Christianity)
    Samaritans
    Mandaeanists
    Rastafarians
    Black Hebrews
    Hebrew Christians
    [edit]
    Dharmic religions
    Religions with a concept of Dharma, also major religions of historical India

    Hinduism (see also Contemporary Hindu movements)
    Agama Hindu Dharma (Javanese Hinduism)
    Shaivism
    Shaktism
    Smartism
    Vaishnavism
    Gaudiya Vaishnavism
    ISKCON (Hare Krishna)
    Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mission
    Six major schools and movements of Hindu philosophy
    Samkhya
    Nyaya
    Vaisheshika
    Purva mimamsa
    Vedanta (Uttar Mimamsa)
    Advaita Vedanta
    Integral Yoga
    Yoga
    Ashtanga Yoga
    Hatha yoga
    Siddha Yoga
    Tantric Yoga
    Ayyavazhi
    Shramana Religions
    Buddhism (see Schools of Buddhism)
    Mahayana
    Nikaya schools (which have historically been called Hinayana in the West)
    Theravada
    Vajrayana (Tantric Buddhism)
    Jainism
    Digambara
    Shvetambara
    Panth Religions
    Sikhism
    Kabir Panth
    Dadu Panth
    [edit]
    Other revealed religions
    Believers in one God, also called classical monotheism, who follow an Indo-European culture of belief, philosophy and angelology.

    Zoroastrianism
    Magus (see Three Wise Men)
    Gnosticism
    Basilidians
    Bogomils
    Borborites
    Cainites
    Carpocratians
    Cathars
    Marcionism (not entirely Gnostic)
    Ophites
    Valentinians (see Valentinius)
    Hinduism (Vaishnavism)
    [edit]
    Indigenous religions
    The orally transmitted canon of indigenous peoples, many involving some variant of animism and many defunct

    African religions
    Akamba mythology
    Akan mythology
    Ashanti mythology
    Bushongo mythology
    Bwiti
    Dahomey mythology
    Dinka mythology
    Efik mythology
    Egyptian mythology
    Ibo mythology
    Isoko mythology
    Khoikhoi mythology
    Lotuko mythology
    Lugbara mythology
    Pygmy mythology
    Tumbuka mythology
    Yoruba mythology
    Zulu mythology
    African religions in the New World
    Kumina
    Obeah
    Santería (Lukumi)
    Vodou
    Candomblé
    Macumba
    Umbanda and Quimbanda
    Xango
    European religions
    Anglo-Saxon mythology
    Basque mythology
    Druidry (Celtic Religion)
    Finnish mythology
    Germanic paganism
    Norse mythology
    Greek religion
    Greek mythology
    Mystery religions
    Eleusinian Mysteries
    Mithraism
    Pythagoreanism
    Roman religion
    Roman mythology
    Slavic mythology
    Asian religions
    Babylonian and Assyrian religion
    Babylonian mythology
    Chaldean mythology
    Sumerian mythology
    Bön (Indigenous Tibetan belief)
    Chinese mythology
    Shinto
    Oomoto
    Tengrism (Indigenous Mongol, Tartar & Kazakh belief)
    Yezidis (Modified indigenous Kurdish belief)
    Native American religions
    Abenaki mythology
    Aztec mythology
    Blackfoot mythology
    Chippewa mythology
    Creek mythology
    Crow mythology
    Guarani mythology
    Haida mythology
    Ho-Chunk mythology
    Huron mythology
    Inuit mythology
    Iroquois mythology
    Kwakiutl mythology
    Lakota mythology
    Lenape mythology
    Navaho mythology
    Nootka mythology
    Pawnee mythology
    Salish mythology
    Selk'nam religion
    Seneca mythology
    Tsimshian mythology
    Ute mythology
    Zuni mythology
    Oceanic religions
    Australian Aboriginal mythology
    Balinese mythology
    Maori mythology
    Modekngei (Republic of Palau)
    Nauruan indigenous religion
    Polynesian mythology
    [edit]
    Neopagan or revival religions
    Modern religions seeking to recreate indigenous, usually pre-Christian, beliefs and practices

    Church of All Worlds
    Dievturiba
    Germanic Neopaganism also called Ásatrú or Odinism
    Hellenic polytheism (modern revivalist forms)
    Judeo-Paganism
    Maausk
    Neo-druidism
    Summum
    Taarausk
    Wicca
    Alexandrian Wicca
    Dianic Wicca (Feminist Wicca)
    Gardnerian Wicca
    Faery Wicca
    Feri Tradition
    [edit]
    Non-revealed religions
    Philosophies not transmitted by a divine prophet

    Carvaka
    Confucianism
    Deism
    Fellowship of Reason
    Spiritual Humanism
    Mohism
    Taoism
    [edit]
    Left-Hand Path religions
    Faiths teaching that the ultimate goal is separating consciousness from the universe, rather than being absorbed by it

    Dragon Rouge
    Satanism
    LaVeyan Satanism
    Church of Satan
    Order of Nine Angles
    Setianism also spelled Sethianism
    Temple of Set
    The Storm
    Quimbanda
    [edit]
    Syncretic religions
    Faiths created from blending earlier religions or that consider all or some religions to be essentially the same

    Arès Pilgrim Movement
    Cao Dai
    Falun Dafa (Falun Gong)
    Huna
    Konkokyo
    Law of One
    Manichaeism
    Unitarian Universalism
    Universal Life Church
    Tenrikyo
    Theosophy
    Seicho-No-Ie
    [edit]
    Entheogen religions
    Religions based around divinely inspiring substances

    Ayahuasca-based beliefs
    Church of the Universe (marijuana sacrament)
    Peyotism
    THC Ministry
    [edit]
    New religious movements
    See List of new religious movements for a list based on other sources

    See hereunder for religions founded since 1850 with small followings

    Monotheistic NRMs

    Direct Worship of the Actual God
    Indigenous NRM's

    Burkhanism
    Cargo cults
    Ghost Dance
    Native American Church
    African Diaspora / Latin American NRM's

    Rastafari movement
    Umbanda
    Candomble
    Kardecist Spiritism
    Hindu-oriented NRM's

    Sai Baba/Sathya Sai Organisation
    Hare Krishna
    Transcendental Meditation
    Sant Mat
    Swaminarayan
    Vedanta Society
    Osho/Rajneeshism
    Meher Baba (actually a Zoroastrian)
    Oneness University
    Aum Shinrikyo (Aleph)
    Eckankar
    NRM's with Islamic Roots

    Subud
    Ahmadi
    Dances of Universal Peace
    Nation of Islam (Black Muslims)
    Christian-oriented NRM's

    Unification Church
    Jesus People
    Children of God
    People's Temple
    Pentecostalism
    Holiness movement
    Iglesia ni Cristo
    Buddhist-oriented NRM's

    Soka Gakkai
    Won Buddhism
    Hoa Hao
    Friends of the Western Buddhist Order
    Chinese-oriented NRM's

    Way of Former Heaven sects, including
    I-Kuan Tao ("Way of Unity"),
    T'ung-shan She ("Society of Goodness"),
    Tien-te Sheng-chiao ("Sacred Religion of Celestial Virtue"),
    Daoyuan ("Sanctuary of the Tao"),
    Tz'u-hui Tang ("Compassion Society").
    Falun Gong ("Dharma Wheel Work," a qigong meditation group)
    Japanese-oriented NRM's

    Tenrikyo
    Seicho no Ie
    Johrei (Johrei Movement - Sekai Kyusei Kyo Izunome Kyodan)
    Reiki
    Oomoto
    Soka Gakkai
    Aum Shinrikyo (Aleph)
    Korean-oriented NRM's

    Chondogyo
    Jeung San Do
    Juche (The personality cult of North Korean leaders)
    Unification Church
    Vietnamese-oriented NRM's

    Caodaism
    Hoa Hao
    Malaysian-Oriented NRM's

    Sky Kingdom
    Western Magical / Esoteric Groups

    Kardecist Spiritism
    Theosophy
    Agni Yoga
    Anthroposophy
    Arcane School
    Association for Research and Enlightenment
    Church Universal and Triumphant
    Golden Dawn
    Gurdjieff Work
    AMORC
    Spiritualism
    Eckankar
    Thelema
    Argenteum Astrum
    Fraternitas Saturni
    Ordo Templi Orientis
    Typhonian Ordo Templi Orientis
    Process Church of the Final Judgement
    Order of the Solar Temple
    White Supremacist Religions

    Church of Jesus Christ Christian
    World Church of the Creator (Creativity Movement)
    Church of the American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan [1]
    Black Supremacist Religions

    Nuwaubianism
    Alien-based religions

    The Aetherius Society [2]
    Raelism
    Scientology
    Church of Scientology
    Free Zone
    Urantia, Book of
    Universe people
    Other NRM's

    Antoinism
    Breatharianism (Air cult)
    Brianism
    Elan Vital
    Faithists of Kosmon
    Virus, The Church of
    Tony Samara
    [edit]
    Parody or mock religions
    Groups that poke fun at other religions or religion in general

    Discordianism
    Church of the SubGenius (The cult of Bob Dobbs)
    Church of Jesus Christ Elvis
    Fictional religions turned Parody
    Bokononism
    Jedi census movement
    Flying Spaghetti Monster (Pastafarianism)
    Invisible Pink Unicorn
    Kibology
    Landover Baptist Church
    Church of Emacs
    [edit]
    Fictional religions
    See List of fictional religions

    [edit]
    Forms of religion or alternative beliefs
    Agnosticism
    Animism
    Atheism
    Ditheism (Dualism)
    Henotheism
    Monolatrism
    Humanism
    Secular Humanism
    Kathenotheism
    Maltheism
    Monism
    Monotheism
    Panentheism
    Pantheism
    Cosmotheism
    Polytheism
    Shamanism
    Suitheism
    [edit]
    Nonsectarian and trans-sectarian religious movements and practices
    [edit]
    Esotericism
    Alchemy
    Anthroposophy
    Esoteric Christianity
    Freemasonry
    Gnosticism
    Kabbalah
    Occultism
    Rosicrucian
    Ancient Mystical Order Rosae Crucis
    Confraternity of the Rose Cross
    Rosicrucian Fellowship
    Surat Shabda Yoga
    [edit]
    Mysticism
    Christian mysticism
    Gnosticism
    Hindu mysticism
    Tantra
    Ananda Marga Tantra-Yoga
    Yoga
    Bhakti
    Vedanta
    Kabbalah (also part of Judaism)
    Kabbalah Centre
    Martinism
    Merkabah (also part of Judaism)
    Meditation
    Spirituality
    Sufism
    Theosophy
    [edit]
    Magic (religion)
    Astrology
    Divination
    Prophecy
    Exorcism
    Faith healing
    Feng Shui
    Hoodoo (Rootwork)
    New Orleans Voodoo
    Magick
    Chaos magick
    Enochian Magic
    Grimoire magick
    Goetic magick
    Miracles
    Pow-wow
    Seid (shamanic magic)
    Vaastu Shastra (Hinduism)
    Witchcraft
    [edit]
    Ritualism
    Prayer
    Sacrifice
    Animal sacrifice
    Human sacrifice
    Worship
    [edit]
    Organizations promoting Ecumenism
    Dances of Universal Peace
    Inter-religious Organisations

    Source(s):
    www.skeptic.com
    www.csicop.org

    Still prepared to die for yours because you "know" and your god told you you are right?
    I don't like your odds. All these people feel as you do! lol

    1. Onusonus profile image86
      Onusonusposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Wait a second, Are you saying that yoga is a religion? I thought it was just something girls do to make their butts look nice.

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You're right, I didn't make the list as you can see, and in truth there are a few in there that don't belong. A few missing too!
        I thought Yoga was for tightening wiggly bits and relaxing myself. smile

        1. Castlepaloma profile image24
          Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yoga has historically been associated with India’s three great religious-cultural traditions—Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism.

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Thanks for that! I needed a connection with religion at least! lol

  30. aka-dj profile image76
    aka-djposted 6 years ago

    Put it onto a dartboard, take a shot.
    Anything you hit will be no better than all the rest you miss. lol

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      lol I like the methodology DJ! smile

      1. Castlepaloma profile image24
        Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        So many of them do not impress me much

        yet

        Can't find anything inTaoism to rip apart, .

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I am not knowledgeable on Taoism. smile

          1. Castlepaloma profile image24
            Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            It was written 500 years before the bible

            A lot of Taoism is stongly based on Nature, it's like a exciting ride flowing down the river

            Can't beat Mother nature

            1. earnestshub profile image88
              earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Sounds nice. smile I will take a look at it. smile

  31. dutchman1951 profile image60
    dutchman1951posted 6 years ago

    Just went over Revelation?   Good grief..!
    all it is is is one punishment after another, like a CIA Torture Brief!

    Gotta wounder, why Paychologicaly do we need God in our heads at all?  Create it, and love it so much you punish it to death? 

    This is a Happy ending?

    absolutely nuts..?

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      lol It is a major bun fight isn't it?

      More torture rape and murder than the taliban handbook!

      1. dutchman1951 profile image60
        dutchman1951posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        yep. got to agree

        The Taliban got nothing on this Guy!

  32. Jerami profile image73
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    I think that several deciples said that Jesus told them to go out and heal the sick and cast out demons and such.

       But  did anyone except Paul say that everyone could do it?

      Honestly ....  just asking.

    1. dutchman1951 profile image60
      dutchman1951posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I think he told them to Spread the Gospel, not  miracles.

  33. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    I reckon we should write a new religious tome, one where believers all get their clocks cleaned for having the wrong religion would be a good place to start. smile

 
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