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   Dave Mathewsposted 14 years ago

   Why is it that Atheists and Agnostics who claim that there is no religion, and no God try to attack something that they believe does not exist, and those who do believe? If you do not believe, then why should it concern you so much what someone else believes, enough to attack them and their beliefs, and defend your own? Man always attacks that which he cannot or refuses to understand, even when wrong.

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      Jeff Berndtposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      It sure does seem like atheists are always dogging on the faithful, doesn't it?
      
      Except when you take a broader look, you'll see that the faithful are always dogging on the atheists. Not in an overt, "Let's go get them Atheists" kind of way, but in more subtle ways, like the way faithful people talk about Atheists like no Atheist could possibly be trustworthy (since they don't believe in anything, how can they believe that it's wrong to lie, right?), or good parents (on the assumption that anyone who doesn't indoctrinate their kids with the religion of the faithful person's choice, they're bad parents for putting their kids' souls in danger of damnation), or even credible witnesses in court (he wouldn't swear on a Bible; that must mean he's lying!).
      
      Once upon a time, atheists were content to stay in the closet as it were, but now more and more of them are asserting their equal rights (their right not to go along with the crowd when they want everyone to pray, for example), and that's making the faithful nervous, since it challenges the privileged position that Christians have historically (and undeservedly) held in American society.
      
      "Man always attacks that which he cannot or refuses to understand"
      This applies to the faithful who attack atheists, as well, mate.

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         exorterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         why don't you read on down in this thread, see who is calling who names.
         names like ignorant, moronic,misguided, our lack of wisdom and knowledge, our imaginary crap, being delusional, our childish absurd myths.
         I could go on and on from other threads, but this proves the point

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            Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            children resort to name calling when they can not convince others that they are right.
            
              Anger is a technique used in an attempt to gain control when all else fails.
              Some people begin their attack with this tactic when they know they have no other weapons.

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               getitriteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Delusional minds resort to condescending BS like this when they are helpless against the stranglehold of their sick delusion.  Your problem, not ours.
               
               
               
               Our weapon is REASON, but you are correct, reason as a weapon is of no use against insanity.
               
               Your insane beliefs have been debunked over and over, yet you still have the audacity to defend this crap.
               
               Seems like you have a sub-basic view of reality, inflicted upon you by your delusion..

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                  exorterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  getitrite, why do we have to defend our belief, why not just let us ramble on to our selves, we did not ask for rebuke

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                     alternate poetposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Because the aggregate of all the ramblings is death, destruction and misery.

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                        exorterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        nope, love and peace to all

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                           alternate poetposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           No - that is what comes out of the mouths - the death and destruction comes from their actions.

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                              exorterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              I do not destroy nor do I kill

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                                 alternate poetposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 No - your ideology talks twaddle and pressures politics and young men are sent to die for you !  but you won't see this of course as that bright light is shining in your eyes.

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                                    exorterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    I served my time,I was in Vietnam, how bout you

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            Jeff Berndtposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Sure, atheists in the forums can be pretty abrasive, but let me ask you this: when was the last time somebody didn't get a job because they were a Christian, or wasn't trusted to hold public office because they were a Christian, or was shunned in society because they were a Christian, or whose testimony in court was discounted because they were a Christian? When was the last time a Christian was pressured to join in a prayer to a God he doesn't believe in? (Not online, but in the actual world, I mean.)
            
            Atheists get the shaft in the real world because the vast majority of people are believers in one or another version of God, and we tend to automatically assume that everyone else is, too. Therefore, we generally make no accommodations for those who do not believe, and we expect non-believers to just shut up and sit in the back, and not make a fuss.
            
            It's even gotten to the point where certain Christians are asserting a bogus entitlement to a privileged place in American society, pretending that the US was founded as a Christian nation (as opposed to a nation that happens to have a Christian majority), and those who point out that they're full of hooey get accused of 'revisionism.'
            
            In the real world, atheists get the shaft.

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               kimshirinyanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Dear Sir,
               
               I am a christian and I don't share your views but let me mention the following. the issue is not whether you right or wrong in your attitude but how your opinion influences on your life? The criticism is a poison which slowly kill your inner man, and it will never allow you to see God' light, wisdom and love in dismal atmosphere. It is totally wrong evaluating christianity through christians behavior, who are hypothetically haven't lose the right on mistakes when they have become believers.
               In any case God is full of mercy and passion towards every sinner, I know what is it  to live in sin and how to live in righteousness and believe me the true christian life reflects Gods glory, love, kindness and everlasting harmony and constant happiness. I wish all this to you.

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                  alternate poetposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  I think I am going to throw up !

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               stilljustwonderinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               I have filled out a lot of job applications.  I have never seen my religious beliefs being asked.  Not on an application or during an interview.
               As a matter of fact I haven't seen any of the situations that you described.

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               JayDeckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               I am hearing an argument to make atheists a protected class. Is it really that bad? Most Americans, including myself, are Christians, but we are largely a secular society. There are certainly places where you may encounter grief over your non-belief; the bible belt or Utah, but my experience in New Jersey has been completely different from what you descibe Jeff. I know several atheists and we get along just fine as long as they don't start spouting their nonsense....just kidding. Seriously, i just don't see it. I spend a lot of time at a University where you guys may actually be the majority.
               On the flip side, I know many atheists and have never felt put upon by them. So, maybe this is an internet phenomenon, and both sides are engaging in a bit of transference.

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            Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            You haven't proven much except that you cannot get over yourself.
            
            To clarify- being "ignorant" isn't name calling by the way. It's stating a fact- EVERYONE is ignorant in some way, shape or form. The fact that you say you are not PROVES how much "knowledge and wisdom" you actually lack. So get over yourself already and move on.
            
            Are you "misguided"? Of course you are and it is plain to see. You claim to understand your own religious teachings, yet every time you open your mouth, you put your foot into it.
            
            "Imaginary crap"? If you're making reference to a "god", then it is imaginary. And, as stated by ME several times in multiple threads, it is in your mind. That makes it imaginary. That is a FACT, so again get over yourself and move on.
            
            "Childish absurd myths"? Now, this one I've not heard, but I can agree with it. Because, as a child, you were indoctrinated into religion for which you accept to be true or truth. However, you fail to actually implement the teachings into your life outside what you are willing to accept and what you are willing to dismiss. Since you are not willing to accept all of it, and pick and choose what you want...therefore your actions are childish. And, since the bible is basically mostly myth and metaphors, it takes a child's mentality to not see the difference.

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      Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Your lack of knowledge and wisdom of life is what shows you that people attack what they do not see or cannot understand. It goes to show that lack of knowledge(ignorant) and lack of wisdom(failure to discern truth) is on those who are narrow-minded based on religion.
      Another sign that you cannot see the greater good of life. It's a matter of what is doing right by others that you fail to understand or see. The irrational belief of religion that has allowed people to have a belief in a god is moronic and not based on fact of any sort. And, to top it off, those who are religious claim to abide by their religion and yet lack knowledge of it or the wisdom to see that it is false. When the doctrine is debunked as I have said many times in the forums, so is the "god" concept that comes along with it.
      You fail to have any knowledge or ability to discern truth due to the fact that you have a misguided belief in something you, beyond a shadow of a doubt cannot believe in 100%.
      
      Science is against you and debunked religion many years ago, it's the religious folk who are refusing to understand the true knowledge and wisdom of life.

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      getitriteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Because you and your ilk will not keep your imaginary crap to yourselves.  You are compelled to spew this nonsense everywhere you go.
      
      
      
      We understand that believers are delusional.  We do not refuse to understand; because what kind of understanding could there be in childish absurd myths?
      
      It is YOU who cannot and refuse to understand that your beliefs are absurd, and deserve no respect in the adult world.

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         exorterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         so why jump in on our delusional crap, why not just leave us alone with our childish absurd myths

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            Jeff Berndtposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I think it's because atheists are sick of accommodating our faith, and would prefer not to have to just sit in the back and be quiet as they've had to do for a really long time.

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               Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               The rose parade in my opinion is a big waste of time.
                 I have never sponsored a rally contesting the event.  And I do not feel that I am just sitting in the back and being quiet.
               
                  I simply don't pay any attention to it.
               
                  Those that enjoy participating or observing ???   
                 More power to ya.  I'm happy for ya.  But you will never see me there.

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                  Jeff Berndtposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  The Rose Parade isn't making it illegal for you to buy alcohol during it. But the Christians in my state have made it illegal for an adult to buy alcohol before noon on Sundays.
                  The Rose Parade isn't making it harder for you to adopt a child, or get custody of your children in a divorce,  because you don't enjoy it. But atheists have (forgive me) the Devil's own time in family court.
                  
                  Those are just two examples of how someone who doesn't believe in God gets screwed over by those of us who do. One of them was relatively trivial, and one of them is a serious big deal.
                  
                  I think this kind of thing is where the resentment comes from.

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      AKA Winstonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Dave,
      
      Speaking for myself, I don't bash anyone for their beliefs unless they: a) start publicizing their beliefs as rational instead of faith-based or start wanting to inject their beliefs into politics or b) use scriptural quotation as some sort of authoratative argument.
      
      In other words, I only bash idiots.  :-)

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      Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      You yourself provided a very good reason in another thread, one in which wars have been started. Perhaps, Atheists and Agnostics don't want wars to start.
      
      
      
      

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      Joe Badtoeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      "Man always attacks that which he cannot or refuses to understand, even when wrong."
      
      I think you've just created your own touche moment there.
      
      
      
      Hello Irony! how you been? come on in.......

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      Baileybearposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I've been hanging out in these forums, and from my observations, attacking has been going in both directions, from some more outspoken individuals.

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      TerryGlposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Well lately I have not heard too many atheists coming out and apologising for having sex with young vulnerable boys or girls for a start.
      
      It concerns me so much becuase I have friends who have taken the holy "bow" in the name of Christ when they were nine and ten years of age.
      
      Its pretty hard to believe in something that is based on this.

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      thisisoliposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      People always pick on people who do something stupid.

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       swordofgideonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       well i was whittelin' on a peace o wood  thinkin' the same thing then it came to me the devil wants desiples too,well to bad for those guys they could proably use some help gettin' up outa the darkness of their soul tho do you know anyone who could giveum' a hand up. well solong 4 now.

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       Rishy Richposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Atheists dont believe in God but they do believe they have a responsibility for the mankind. Christianity had its time, it was there for 2000 years & what did it give us? Centuries of crusades, burning of witches, Slaughtering of the Aztecs, massacring of the non-believers & the list will never end.   
       
       
       From Socrates to Galileo, there are thousands of atheists or non-believers who suffered because of religion & you say Atheists attack religion???!!! Do you want some statistics? or do you care to give one??
       
       ATHEISTS DONT ATTACK, THEY EDUCATE!

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       Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       It is the endeavor of the devilish to attack all concepts which bring light and intelligence to the souls of men. They who reside in the gulf of misery are without God in the world and their lives are contrary to the true nature of happiness. It is only natural for them to drag men down and away from God as a means of support and justification for their emnity towards their own creator.

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   paradigmsearchposted 14 years ago

   When groups of people with illogical thought processes get together, bad things happen.
   
   History is replete with this.
   
   People who act on faith instead of logic invariably cause society grief.
   
   Islam anyone?
   
   edit: Just a thought/opinion. No hard feelings.

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   paradigmsearchposted 14 years ago

   In all fairness, it should be noted that Christianity has not fallen into the violence category for approximately 500 years.

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      paradigmsearchposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hmmm, if Puritans are grouped under Christianity; then its been only ~300 years, not ~500 years.
      
      The Salem witch trials, imprisonments, executions, persecution of women in general, etc. They even hated kids. This all occurred in the 1690’s.
      
      Wikipedia sure is useful…

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         alternate poetposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Hmmmmm !!  a 'crusade' in Iraq,   current.
         
         The German people were and are overwhelmingly christian - the most horrific genocide ever, at least in one place at one time - the list goes on and on and is CURRENT

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         Jeff Berndtposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Don't forget their behavior during the Pequot War. They burned down a Pequot village with the people (mostly women and children) inside their homes, shooting anyone who tried to flee. This shocked and horrified their Narraganset allies, who went home in disgust. Afterward, the Puritans made it a crime to even say the word "Pequot." Genocide in the name of God.

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   Almighty God
   
   
   The Creator-God Allah YHWH is the almighty God and none else. Jesus is only a human being, flesh and bones etc; like Moses and a subordinate Messenger Prophet of Moses, a follower of the teachings of Moses.

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   AMBASSADOR BUTLERposted 14 years ago

   What a human being sows in life, is what that person reaps in life. Just a sound principle of law for human beings on the earth. I sow love peace free in my life and I reap love peace free in my life through Jesus Christ who shown humanity how to live on the earth as human beings. Thank you. Go in peace.

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      Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      And yet we are still a product o our ancestry and the products of their sowing. 
        Some people are born with more to sow than others.
      
        Those who are given more are more accountable for what they do with it.

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   Mighty Momposted 14 years ago

   It's xenophobia pure and simple. People who cannot tolerate or even conceive that others have a different worldview than they do hide behind their shield and thrust their sharp little tongues out like swords.
   Each has a right to their own faith (in God, Allah, Confucius, trees, doorknob) or to not have faith in any higher power at all.
   How boring our world would be if everyone thought the same way!

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   The Creator-God Allah YHWH is the almighty God and none else. Jesus is only a human being, flesh and bones etc; like Moses and a subordinate Messenger Prophet of Moses, a follower of the teachings of Moses.

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   Jesus is only a human being, flesh and bones etc; like Moses and a subordinate Messenger Prophet of Moses, a follower of the teachings of Moses.
   
   The Creator-God Allah YHWH is the almighty God and none else.

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      earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Arrogance, megalomania (my god's the only god) are proof of only one thing.

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   Almighty God is neither a physical body nor a spiritual one; all physical things and spirits are His creation. The Creator-God Allah YHWH is known by his attributes which are manifest in and around us.

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      dutchman1951posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Parr!!!!!!  read what you just wrote??????
      
      if he is "Not" physical or spirit, then he does not exhist! so if he does not exhist how can he divide himself up and be in everyone else at the same time..?
      
      good-grief man!

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         paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         All physical things and spiritual things are the Creation of the Creator-God Allah YHWH. He is everywhere with his attributes for which no physical body or spiritual existence is needed. His attributes work everywhere.

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    CYBERSUPEposted 14 years ago

    Hi Brother Dave, I just ran across this question and I like you agree with your thinking. Thank You Dave and keep up the good work.  GOD BLESS!

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    paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

    Almighty God is neither a physical body nor a spiritual one; all physical things and spirits are His creation. The Creator-God Allah YHWH is known by his attributes which are manifest in and around us. Since He does not exist in any physical or spiritual form; hence those who want to see Him in physical/spiritual form could never see Him.
    
    This in itself a proof that He exists; if only the Atheists Skeptics come out of there circular arguments.

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    gg.zainoposted 14 years ago

    If everyone on both sides would just calm their jets, and open further their consciousness-
    Perhaps another answer might arrive, instead of closing the shop doors and windows to the true light.
    My question is why do we need to attach a label on something that has no name... Something that just "Is" - something innate between us all and all our surroundings, universe included.
    Not just for the Christian, or the Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Wicca, Zoroastrian, Darwinian or otherwise. Buddhists as close to enlightenment as we've come in the past 3000 years.
      Look at the division in Christianity alone. Holy crap! Catholics, Catholic Orthodox, Lutherans, Protestants, Episcopalians, Baptists, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses... need more? Open your eyes people.
       Hasn't enough blood has been spilled in the name of your Almighty God. What the hell does it take to show these murderers of the world the error of convoluted belief?
    Give peace with everything a chance, give another perception airtime in your heads! Lose the Ego and you lose your argument.
    Get with it people - You all argue for an intelligence beyond comprehension in this existence. The consciousness exists in all, The skeptic as well as the Orthodox receives equal treatment under a universal law.
    Peace... gregZ

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       AMBASSADOR BUTLERposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Yes the answer has arrived and is the true light for every human being on the earth. This is the answer: LOVE PEACE FREE is who every person on the earth is to the core of their being. This will take time for people to absorb into their consciousness but it will happen with one person at a time. It works because I get the results of this every moment of my life on earth. What is true for me is true for all of humanity. What you are seeing in the world today is the opposites of LOVE PEACE FREE that people sows in their life and reaps accordingly to what they sow in their life. Thank you. Go in peace.

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    paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

    Almighty God is neither a physical body nor a spiritual one; all physical things and spirits are His creation. The Creator-God Allah YHWH is known by his attributes which are manifest in and around us. Since He does not exist in any physical or spiritual form; hence those who want to see Him in physical/spiritual form could never see Him.
    
    This in itself a proof that He exists; if only the Atheists Skeptics come out of there circular arguments.
    
    The Politicians/Rulers in the name of Religion has been doing nasty things; religion is not responsible for them.
    
    The non-believers Atheists should have played their positive role in the history of human beings if they could; they never did; whever they got the chance the failed miserably.
    
    I just give one example of the communists/atheists of Russia; what good came out of them?

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    pylos26posted 14 years ago

    No one seems to be attacking you as a person; it’s just that members of your particular religious sect are always offering up mythical evidence as true facts to prove a point in any rational dialog.  Such behavior will likely put a burr under any sensible person’s saddle.

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