Have read churches are going broke and young people are not interested in religion. Church is made up of an aging generation.
Is this true?
As we speak. Know why? I do. How do I know? Because it hasn't happened yet. But it's about to. I know because I can see it in my mind. Therefore, IT WILL HAPPEN.
MARK MY WORDS. WANNA BE A PART OF HISTORY? I DON"T! Something big is coming. Keep watching.
I wasn't going to get that serious with my post but ... Yep but faith is doing well.
I read it in a good book
It should've happened long ago. We've actually known religion was a farce for years. But today's young people live in a time where religion has lost its carte blanche status.
No, I don't believe it's becoming more extinct, it's just that the world is becoming more and more individual and so are sets of belief. I think is better to speak of personal philosophies than religion, since every one adopts a certain form of it/belief according to his or her own reason. 'Religion' implies something unchanging that is adopted by all in a community in one and the same manner. I don't think that's quite the way it is.
Is religion becoming extinct? NO. We are not there yet.
Are the present day religions i.e. Christianity, Islam becoming extinct? Probably.
Religion has a tendency to modify & upgrade itself over time. It has happened before, it will happen again. We dont have Greek paganism anymore, nor Roman mithraism, but the basics are still there in the present day religions. We have pointed out the flaws of Christianity & other major religions long time ago but apparently the brainwashed followers can not be convinced with any logic. However, there will be followers, who would be reluctant to avoid such flaws & will eventually come up with new religious concepts to replace the existing ones.
I agree, religion just clutters up the landscape with lesson in honesty, love and all that other crap. Get rid of religion and we can do anything we want with no guilt trip, like steal and lie to others. How does that sound? Sounds great!
Here is some love from your religion:
(Moses) stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, "All of you who are on the LORD's side, come over here and join me." And all the Levites came. He told them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Strap on your swords! Go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other, killing even your brothers, friends, and neighbors." The Levites obeyed Moses, and about three thousand people died that day. Then Moses told the Levites, "Today you have been ordained for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Because of this, he will now give you a great blessing." (Exodus 32:26-29 NLT)
Your logic is absurd!
It wouldn't have come to that if they just gave back the tablets.
Maybe to you, but they were the tablets with GOD's commandments. Kind of a big deal, as shown by the outcome.
The outcome being USA a so called Christian Nation yet they are more like Sodom and Gomorrah than anywhere.
Are most Christian Christ like?
Even if most of the world dose not worship Jesus.
Dose that make them all guilty, lying thieve too, just because they don't support your option?
No Christian is "Christ like". Christ was GOD's only begotten son. Not believing in Jesus makes no one guilty of anything. Guilt implies judgment, which can only be given by GOD himself. Believing in Christ and asking for forgiveness ensures eternal life. Everyone will still be judged, and hopefully when you are you will not hear, "I do not know you"
I know this was addressed to someone else, but, I wanted to add a comment to your question, "Are most Christians Christ-like?"
I have to agree with ediggity on this that most Christians aren't Christ-like. I think the reason why this is; is because most Christians are too lazy to be Christ-like.
It takes a great deal of energy in this day and age to be a "good Christian." To be Christ-like is something I think all Christians should be striving for, unfortunately, I don't even think Christians really try walking the path of Jesus. It's to hard, and like I said before, we are too lazy.
All total and improbable conjecture, based upon an ancient book of fiction, written by dubious authors, who were probably ignorant goat herders.
Welcome to the forum,
Are you really saying non religious believers are guilty, Lying and thieves?
And religious people are not.
Without addressing all the other comments, I can only hope that it is becoming extinct. I think we'd be a lot better off without organized religion. We'd be free to follow our consciences.
it appears so yes, a lot of younger folks turned off, affronted buy religion.
A lot do believe in God, but just not in the Churches themselves.
I think that Faith may be returning back to its original condition. Business aspects of religion is suffering but so is most other businesses.
Actually there is an established time line in the book that
points to it happening.
bed time good night yawl.
If you're talking "end times" marked by earthquakes, etc, then people have been predicting that incorrectly for years. How many convert because of fear? How many have donated all their stuff to the church and not got on with their lifes because they believed Jesus was coming back?
End Times could be describing almost anything.
Scripture speaks of the days of indignation and the final days of indignation. or to put it another way ...
The end days and the final end days.
One set of prophesy speak of the end of days for that Hebrew Nation that came to their end of days in 135 AD
This is a different Hebrew Nation that exists today!
The Israelites of today are no more righteous than the one that God dissolved almost 1880 years ago, for their unrighteousness.
What does righteousness mean anyway? NOT RIGHT?
Incorrect? Going in the wrong direction?
Sorry , going off topic.
Scripture states that a False religion will come, and it will be given 42 months to blaspheme. After 42 months it will come to its end of days.
Christian theologians all agree that a day in prophesy is a year on earth. (I disagree)
But if they are correct? this either is true with all of the prophetic references of time, or not at all (my opinion).
This means that this false religion will last for 1260 years.
This fact alone, according to their theories, messes up their whole story. But if a day in prophesy is in fact approx. 1.3 of our years? That would be a totally different story
Another question! From Gods prospective; ... Exactly how much false teachings being injected into his "reality" (for lack of a better word) is required before he considers it to be false?
In conclusion.. My understanding of scripture states that all falseness will soon be exposed. The WHOLE truth will come to light ... at the end of the 42 months.
No matter how we want to "Interpret" what these events are that causes this to happen;
Then this will be a NEW heaven and earth.
Baileybear, I have heard people predict the exact time also. I read and trust God's word to found out for myself. No one know the exact hour or day. There are signs right now proving we are living in the End Times and Jesus is coming back. Earthquakes, Wars, Famines, Tribulation, The gospel will be preached throughout the world, False Prophets and Christs, etc. Take a look at what's going on in the world now. Believe it or not, The time is near when Jesus will return.
that's all very vague, given that earthquakes have happened ever since earth has had a crust, and wars have happened throughout human existence. Incidently, chimps, which share 98% of DNA of humans also engage in war, murder (and also engage in sex for fun, including missionary position).
Not sure how Eve eating a piece of fruit stuffed up things for chimps too?
Yes, earthquakes have occured before. You are missing the point. The bible speaks of a increase in earthquakes and everything I mentioned above. Are you going to deny the increase of these things happening? I hope not. It's too obvious. The increase of things happening today proves that we are indeed living in the End Times. Is this vague also?
and you have data to back up your claim (ie records of frequency of earthquakes & wars etc)?
You do realise that earthquakes cluster along the edges of tectonic plates?
Yes, the record is observing the frequency with my own eyes. I don't need a pen and paper to write down the data and frequency of the things that are coming to pass right now. I am sure you don't either. I encourage you to read the Matthew Ch. 24 in the bible.
Every time a Christian says the world will end, I have to check if they had some land to sell, for very cheap.
Then afterward they ignore me or they are too greedy to give it up.
I encourage anyone that reads Matthew 24 to read the chapter right before that one and allow the story line to flow out of the temple and over to the mount of Olives as this story was originally told, before it was subdivided into Chapters.
You wouldn't want to only read the last half of Moby Dick, or Gone With The Wind!
Ya might get the wrong idea as to what was going on.
The same applies here.
Yes, the bibles version of the world is wrong. There has been no increase in earthquakes. They have occurred more and less in the past and will continue to do so in the future.
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/ … orical.php
Christians have been saying the End Times are upon us literally since Christ's death. Actually before, if you consider that John the Baptist was the head of an apocalyptic Jewish sect.
Paul makes several references to imminent end times and so does Jesus. A lot of the early Christians lived in celibate communes awaiting the end of the world, which they believed could arrive literally at any moment. After a generation or two of this, when the end times didn't arrive, they started reassessing and cooled their jets a bit, but there was another major outbreak of apocalyptic beliefs around the turn of the first millennium (1000 AD). The world didn't end then either. Why should we believe that you're right THIS time?
well, according to the bible, Jesus said he would return while they were still alive. That didn't happen obviously
Jesus said he would return while they are still alive? Will you help me found that scripture in the bible? This is what I see: "If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again (John14:3). Also in Matthew26:64 Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Since the scripture cannot be broken(John10:35) and he came on time the first time just as he promised, we have every reason to believe he will come again. God bless you!
"I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."
Matt 16:28, Mark 9:1, Luke 9:27
The bible is so handy like that. It will say whatever you want it to, as it has more contradictions than the mole in "Little Britain!" Yes but, no but, yes but
Baileybear, Your prior post stated, "Jesus said he will return while they were still alive". This statement is not accurate with the true scriptures you have given above. God's word states some people will be alive when Jesus returns. The scripture never stated that THEY will be alive. Jesus have his own timing when he returns again. ( Matthew 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31,32,33 explains all the things which have to occur before the second coming of the son of God. Matthew 24:34, Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Hi kerry, The answers is in the word of God. It's best to know the word of God for yourself, and the only way to do that is to read what's in the bible. I have heard someone speak of the endtimes in the past. I didn't believe them. Their words were not agreeing with the scriptures in the bible.
Hi. Little less vague. Let...me...see. What If? CanI play what if?
what if what..? end of the world? is that what you're hinting at ...I'm not a mind reader. I see some say 2012. Many predictions have failed over history
OK. No what if. Spell out what I am saying. When everyone gets aload at what is about to be announced, (After a time passes during which they will be trying to shore up the levees) then the religious thing, by that I mean the three majors: Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, is going to fall like the house of cards that it is.
Did I forget to mention that many others of different beliefs might be a bit disappointed too.
absolutely no idea what you are talking about
You would not believe how long I've heard that. I tend to talk ...beyond some people's understanding. Not to worry though, I think I've finally got to where even monkeys with clothes can understand it. As one monkey to another, you understand.
Is religion becoming extinct?
You bet. It's been dying for over 500 years now in the western world, and is all but dead already in places like Japan, Sweden or Germany.
The key moment that religion's fate was sealed was when governments chose to not enforce religious law through violence/ coercion. Religion always loses to secular reason and science when they are allowed to peacefully compete. Therefore the only way religion can stay in business is when it has violence on its side.
Otherwise, religion is inevitably forced to cede territory to secularism in science, government and economy because it simply fails at almost everything.
However, it is best to take a long view. Within this overall downtrend, there may be small upticks in religious power such as the American awakenings of the 19th century, or the more recent rise of fundamentalist Christianity. But these are small in the grand scheme of history.
Since religion benefits from ignorance and poverty, we see religion rising and spreading in the developing world today even as it declines in the rich world.
If you go by the letter of the definition, religion can't be done away with.
Ceratain belief systems must fade away, yes. My whole first comment is to the title of the forum. Read it in that context, because anything that is happening right now, is soon about to change.
Probably not, but it can lose all credibility with mainstream society. In the far future, religion will probably be confined to tiny anachronistic communities on par with the Amish or the Fundamentalist Mormons.
wOULDN'T WANT TO PUT MONEY ON IT, WOULD YOU?
LOL, sure I would, but by the time it happens I'll be long dead and my children will probably be dead too. That makes collecting on the bet pretty hard.
Would you bet on that also. I can't. I can't take advantage of you like that.
There is something about to happen. Remember that I kept saying it. You may be "tested" on it later. Just say, "He said it would, and it did."
I'd really like for you to say what you think is going to happen. I think its put up or shut up time.
I know !!!! I know ''''
KINDA LIKE ...
Beef has its own reality and it is true to itself
Carrots has its own reality and is true to itself
Onions likewise and also tomatoes
It doesn't make any difference if you add beans or if you use frijoles, put all of these ingredients together at the right time and place, something new and extraordinary will happen.
As there is always something about to happen, you have made a pretty safe prediction.
Hi! I'm new to the hub scene but found this forum title catchy. I was raised to be religious, when to a religious school, and I do believe in religion but I think, and it's just my opinion, that churches now days are just too imposing to people. It's either you believe all the way, or you don't at all. I believe in religion and scientific proof at the same time, strange but true. There are things that in the biblical proportion, that honestly, doesn't make sense, because science has proven us wrong. However, I do believe there is something higher and bigger than the universe. I think a lot of the younger generation, including me, thinks that churches should be more open to optional possibilities instead of just the either/or option.
However, I'm from the south, in the 'bible belt' no less...so take it as you will. Interesting conversation either way you go....I think all religions basically want the same goal...so everyone should be more open to others interpretations of a certain 'goal'.
I see be happy, well, and do good things. If only everyone could live peacefully I think that's the common goal.
It's a good question. I don't think the search for spirit will ever become extinct. The demise of dogmatic controlling religions - certainly will fail and fall.
People will always be searching for their missing bits and pieces that are not satisfied by their current environment, which includes people, family and religions. Always seeking something better is a human trait. Where people search is a matter of choice, education, experience, vulnerability, gullibility, desperation, and discernment. Am sure there are a few more reasons that I've missed.
Religions are like corporations, they will be judged by their profit margins, their staff satisfaction surveys, returning customers, product longevity and value and long term environmental impact.
External entities adorned with the name god are no different to the dispensable CEO who is fired by the shareholders when profits fall.
Any religion that teaches that you are less than and separate from because of race, creed, demeanor, gender or sexual preference is doomed to failure.
Religion has very little to do with the search for the spirit. If it did, don't you think they would have figured out way more than they have. After all, what Jesus said is as plain as the nose upon the human face. He was right.
I've no doubt Jesus was right, but his followers have no idea what he was talking about. If they were actually searching for spirit and doing what the good man did, regurgitation would have been outmoded long ago. And because the new breed of Christians are not doing as the good man did, the religion will implode in on itself. So be it.
Until there are questions unanswered specially the meaning of life, purpose, beginning - metaphysics which can never be answered people will search for answers and religion will always be here -- but decreasing in number, I suppose..
A hundred years ago, my country was 98% Christian, today its 50%.
Most people I meet say they are spiritual rather than religious and churches in general, are not doing well.
The right answer to the OP depends upon our own definition of what religion is.
Religion has many aspects. Many of which was never intended in the first place. I believe that most of these will fall to the wayside.
This is the least of which is indicated in prophesy.
....then the chosen few go to heaven in the end
Why do you keep putting those words in my mouth.
I have never said that. I do not believe that.
I'm often here guessing what blank to fill in or what if, its a contradiction. Too often I am lost in space with ancient religion
Most Atheist that post in these forums seem to put everyone that says that they believe in a higher power than themselves in one basket.
A potato is a vegetable so all vegetables are a potatoes!!
Belief in non-existent things is belief in non-existent things. The exact form of your self delusion is unimportant.
And believing something isn't there that is--this is self delusion also. Maybe he does pretend to see. But maybe you pretend you don't. If he is wrong, and when he dies, there is nothing, what has he lost? But if you are wrong, and you die and it turns out there is God and heaven and hell, you have lost everything. (Though love for God cannot be reached by reasoning alone) Just some thoughts.
Lets hope it becomes extinct soon, while we still have building that haven't been flattened, or places we can visit without yet another fundy with a gelignite lining in their clothes getting the phone call from hell.
PCunix, I gotta get me a hair cut like yours!
It give you a very mischievous look along with that grin. It's a good look, I hope you keep it.
My wife hates it, but I like it.
I have no idea where we got that wig. I found it in a drawer and wore it to a party. A friend took the picture just before my wife made me take it off.
She tried to throw it away recently. I rescued it and hid it. Should I wear it to HubCamp in April? My wife would kill me
I was reminded of this by http://hubpages.com/hub/Julian-Jaynes
As I said there in a comment:
I do believe that the deeply religious still hear something. Not voices, but they feel that something is "there" and they attribute it to an external being. I believe that is why it is impossible to disabuse them of their religion: they "feel" their god-thing watching them.
So unless we can change brain wiring, they are going to continure believing.
thanks for link - looks like one to check out
Go ahead and experiment on changeing your brain wiring and let us know how that works out for ya....
I think a new generation has fallen away, replacing technology and self with God. But this does not mean God has died by any means. This turn of events is not unexpected.
"Because of the increasing of lawlessness the love of the greater number will cool off."—Matthew 24:12.
"In the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power . . . Wicked men and impostors will advance from bad to worse." (2 Timothy 3:1-13)
I doubt it. People said religion was dying out during the Enlightenment, too, and instead we got the revivals of the Victorian era.
Currently, we've got fundamentalist Christianity running rampant in the US and parts of Africa, fundamentalist Islam running rampant in other parts of Africa, Asia, and the Middle East, and fundamentalist Judaism holding power in Israel far out of proportion to its percentage of the population there.
Christians have been saying the End Times are upon us literally since Christ's death.
Paul makes several references to imminent end times and so does Jesus. A lot of the early Christians lived in celibate communes awaiting the end of the world, which they believed could arrive literally at any moment.
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Well, according to the bible, Jesus said he would return while they were still alive. That didn't happen obviously
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@ kerryg ... Does anyone think that maybe that Christians may misunderstood what Jesus was talking about when he talked about the end of days?
Why does it not mean anything that that Hebrew peoples that Jesus was speaking to; did experience great tribulation during the first century.
And THAT Hebrew Nation DID come to THEIR end of days?
That THAT Hebrew Nation did get carried away as described in Rev. 12 ????
Maybe those prophesy were fulfilled exactly as Jesus said that they would and the Church has been teaching this incorrectly??
Just a thought?
Now see, I heard just the opposite. Church membership always picks up during hard times. Evangelical, Apostolic, and Baptist religions are picking up members, Protestants are losing them. Islam is the fastest growing religion on the planet. Paganism is second. The two could not be more different, so if those two religions took over the world, there would be constant wars, not the the Muslims aren't really good at killing each other off.
The truth of the matter is that many people simply feel the need for there to be something 'more' to life.
That is how religion thrives, and even worse, people can laugh at religion and then fully believe in ghosts and the supernatural.
since i know you like to participate in forums about religion, then i thought you might be interested in this forum i started a long time ago. it's very interesting, as i think you'd like it, as i'd be curious to get your take on it.
I left what you will see as a predictable comment. Sorry about that!
no worries. thanks for commenting in it. by the way, welcome back to hubpages.
had a look. I think it's more reasonable to think there is not a god at all, than one that set the world in motion and left it to its own devices
I can not image that would ever happen, that no God thing. Because of peoples desire and curiosity for the unknown are too grand.
What can improve greatly is for what ever they imagine to be, Then shortly follow it up with their minds and live in the now.
oh that's cool then. i just thought you might be interested, since i know you love talking about this subject all the time. however, i do appreciate your opinion though, as i was kind of curious to see what you'd say.
If you'll look at religion as traditions & practices of a prcticular congregation, then yes, it has a possibility to be extinct because of the fast-paced society that we have today.
But if you're talking about faith, whatever we believe in, whether it be God, Allah, or whatever you'd like to call him, I don't think it would ever change.
Woman Of Courage wrote:
Jesus said he would return while they are still alive? Will you help me found that scripture in the bible?
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Mark 9:1 ...shall not taste of death till they have seen the Kingdom of God COME WITH power
Matthew 16:28 Till they have seen the son of man coming in his kingdom.
Mark 14:62 Ye (the person he was speaking to) Ye shall seethe son of man, sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Last but not least ...Matthew 24:30
...and they shall see the son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory
and in his next breath so-to-speak ... Verily I say unto you, THIS generation shall not pass til ALL THESE THINGS be fulfilled. (but no one knows the exact time ,in this generation that it will happen)
In Matt. 23:34 Wherefore I send (will send) unto YOU prophets and wise men and scribes and some of them YE shall kill and crucify, and etc. etc...
Jesus was talking about his disciples.
And moments after leaving the synagogue one of the disciples ask Jesus, "When is this going to happen?
So Jesus proceeded to tell Peter, James, John and Andrew in a private conversation of all the things that THEY will see and endure, after which he tells them that THIS generation shall not pass til all these things be fulfilled.
Woman Of Courage wrote: this is what I see: "If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again (John14:3). Also in Matthew26:64 Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Since the scripture cannot be broken(John10:35) and he came on time the first time just as he promised, we have every reason to believe he will come again. God bless you!
He did come again just as he said that he would which fulfills the 69Th week as described in Daniel 9
The church has misinterpreted this to be referring to the resurrection.
Jesus had said himself that (That advent) he had come but for the lost sheep of Israel. but upon the coming of Messiah The Prince, (Week 69 of Daniel) those 144,000 who received Gods seal as mentioned in Rev. will be redeemed from among mankind. (Daniel 12:1 the children of Daniels people)
This would have happened shortly after John received the revelation of Jesus Christ while on the Isle of Patmos
(94 to 96 AD)
Rev. 1:1 ...things which MUST shortly come to pass.
Rev. 1:3 ... FOR THE TIME IS AT HAND!
The 70 weeks that that Hebrew Nation was given to quit sinning, and make restitution for their sins and anoint the Most Holy would have been expired BEFORE that Nation ceased to exist. The Chosen people were scattered to the four winds approx. 30 years later.
All things written concerning Jesus Christ were finished!
This closed the covenant made with Abraham and brought in a NEW COVENANT through Jesus Christ.
That is what I understand the scriptures to be saying when Interpretations have been removed.
Yes you can say that this is just another interpretation!
But is it really?
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