If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer. [Matthew 21:21]
If you ask anything in my name, I will do it. [John 14:14]
Ask, and it will be given you. [Matthew 7:7]
Nothing will be impossible to you. [Matthew 17:20]
Believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. [Mark 11:24]
then why amputees limb don't regrow?
According to the ONLY banned christian sect here in China - if you join them and pray you get amputated arms and legs back, all the money you want and get to go to disney I expect
If prayer heals why do so many children die when their parents chose to let their version of a witch doctor pray over them rather than let a real doctor provide medical care for a treatable condition? Obviously the seperation of church and state isn't that wide. 44 states allow you to kill your children if you have religious objections to real doctors. Several state senators and representatives have tried to get prayer healings paid at the same rate as the medical costs would be to treat the condition. Not only do they want to be able to kill their children, they want the insurance companies to pay for the murder.
The real question is, what can we do to cure those who feel they have the right to kill their children for god's glory. I thought our society had moved beyond sacrificing children to the gods. I'm wrong it seems doesn't it?
The Bible records that the disciple Paul had preached in many places healed many people yet he himself was inflicted with a physical malady that God CHOSE not to remove from him. Paul was going blind and he prayed and asked God to heal his sight for him. However, Paul's prayer did NOT remain unaswered. God said that Paul's weakness would be made perfect in God's strength.
Paul thought that he needed his sight to continue his ministry for God. God had to show him that sight does not slow us down, but the choices that we make. Paul did not allow his handicap to reduce his faith in God. It doesn't mean that God does not answer prayer. It simply means that what we see as a problem in our eyes is not a problem in God's eyes.
Prayer works but it is coupled by faith. The doctors that have been trained were blessed by God with the talents to bein the field of medicine. They did ot have to pass their exams and graduate as Doctors. it means therefore that God Himself has provided us with the means to get better. Unfortunately some people believe that they must be healed by an invisible hand of God rather than the visible hand of God, his vessels who are doctors that He allowed to live and learn about medicine to help others.
Prayer works, but it must be coupled with sensible action and decisions.
I'm quite sure that those who worked hard to get where they are today will not appreciate your insults to their intelligence.
Funny how sensible actions and decisions should ultimately lead to not having the need to pray.
In lookinh over my post I realize how i could have been misinterpreted. I do not mean that doctors did not have to study because God ensured they passed. What I mean is that many people are born with different abilities, certain subjects come natural to others and certain fields of study are naturally attractive to some. Our ability and capability all comes from God. The many things that man have created certainly could not have come from self, but a God that has instilled us with the creativity and the ability to make it happen. So what I meant is that if God had not created us with the ability to understand medicine then there would be no doctors. So ultimately I was just saying that God ensured that there are people on this earth that are able to understand medicine after studying and working hard, so that He (God) could use them to save the lives of those who are sick. I hope I made myself a little bit clearer.
Yes, I do understand that is what you were saying, which is an insult to many people who work hard to get where they are today and do not accept your beliefs.
Yes, they can come from the self without the need for gods, but I also know why you don't understand that.
No, you have only provided contradictions to reality.
If your god "ensured that there are people on this earth that are able to understand medicine" why didn't he provide those people long ago rather than just over the last couple of centuries? Why don't we have a cure for cancer? Why are there still a great deal of things doctors don't know yet? Why are there still a great many people who die from being sick?
Or Ok ..........well I do apologize If you think that I was trying to impose my beliefs on you or on any other person here in the forum. I was simply putting forward my thoughts based upon the forum topic. Again, these are my thoughts and as you said based upon my belief system. It is not meant to insult you or any other. Thanks for understanding?
Prayers and medicine both are necessary for the treatment.
Prayers in itself cannot do anything...
Any with the knowledge of Truth can accomplish anything he disires .....
Truth, thats a hard one, everyone's truth is different. My truth is pray all you want, but if you don't get to a doctor, you will probably die.
You ask all other questions except the First...
You have answers for all questions except the First...
To not know truth is to know nothing.....
To not know truth is to know nothing.....
as you know it, kindly tell me what is truth
Truth is that which is the begining and also the end in itself.
It is the sum total of all things self existing and self replicating....
Thus is One
Truth is that which is the begining and also the end in itself.... what is that i have heard of things that have no beginning and end and things with beginning and end. what is this stuff with a beginning and end in itself.
again what is you mean by this begining-begining in time?
It is the sum total of all things self existing and self replicating..
self existing i can understand. all matter is self existing. what is this self replicating? you mean like a bacteria?
Jomine, Truth comes to those who truly desires to know it...
And those who are arrogant in their ignorance will always remain so...not accusing just saying.
Where there is a question there is a beginning and this is there is a cycle which is time.
Where there is the answer to the question,, there is an end and the cycle is completed....
Are not the question and it's answer one and the same...?
How would you refer to the place between the question and the answer?
How would you call that place where you find both the question and it answer?
I tell you truly so long as you expect another to give you answers you can never know truth...
Then you either become Truth or remain arrogant in ignorance..
So therefore it is of most importance for you to know yourself...and ignorance shows a man nothing.
as far as i know there is nothing called absolute truth. all are relative. even beginning and end ,based on time, as time itself is a concept. there is something called realty- that matter exists and so do space. beyond that what ever is there it is our imagination and opinion. opinion defers but so long as conforming to realty, may be considered as truth.
now then the question of arrogance
what is it?
trying to gain knowledge, i think is not arrogance. but believing what others taught and closing mind to everything else, stifling thoughts and arguing on all that is against that particular belief may be arrogant.
knowledge without Truth is ignorance...you need not another to confirm this to you...
Now you can continue with the crowd to discuss, to argue, to examine, to know whose ignorance is better.
To remain in the crowd is to remain enslaved to ignorant....
But when Truth comes you will have absolute Freedom...
Do what you must....for there in not much else you can do.
knowledge without Truth is ignorance
a self made truth..right? ignoring realty?
or can you explain what you said?
who is remaining in what crowd?
who is ignorant? me or is it somebody who think they can explain everything in the universe based on some book though it defy all logic and reason?
all that you speak in forums are opinions and that is why they differ. realty don't differ. you can rely as much as you want on this truth and all such stuff, but that will only stay in the realm of opinion and conjecture.
instead of parroting what others taught you try to think for yourself atleast.
Kess: Knowledge of Truth is not a cure all for anything. Only God can decide whether a cure should be effected or not.
well said from a person who do not know Truth neither God....
God is Truth.
Kess: You do not know me, neither do you know my knowledge of "The Truth" nor my knowledge of "God". How do you consider yourself capable or even worthy of judging me about anything. Before you choose to make me someone I am not, you should better get to know me much much better.
it never has healed for me, except maybe mentaly for a bit. but no actual medical healing at all
I believe that God's word never fail's but there are times when God chooses not to act for reasons we don't know. People who have been used to heal thousands of people, will at times run into a situation where someone who has faith and is living righteously does not get healed.
Some of the observers of the crucifixion of Jesus asked a question similar to the question raised here. They said "He saved others, why can't He(Jesus) save Himself? The answer to this question was that in this case it was His purpose to die for the sins of man.
Now I believe that its always the will of God to heal, that God's very nature is that of a healer. I don't why He doesn't when those in need of healing meet the conditions outlined in the scriptures. Yes, this may be surprising but there are conditions involved in order to be healed.
One condition that activates God's healing power is faith. Jesus often said your faith has made you well. Sometimes it was from the faith of another that the person was healed. Another condition that is related to faith is righteous living. If we don't have to faith to obey God and leave our sinful lifestyle, we don't have the faith necessary to be healed.
The faith of many is short circuited by erroneous doctrines and beliefs such as, God won't heal me because He's teaching me humility, or God doesn't heal today because we have doctors, or healing ceased with the Apostles etc. Many of these beliefs originated from doctrines formed by disappointing circumstances or by a search for answers when discouraged. We can't change our doctrines to fit our circumstances, we need to seek God to find where we're missing it.
Human beings were not created with parts like arms or legs that will re-grow once lost. But prayer has very strong healing ability. God hears all prayer and answers all prayer. If it is God's will to cure some sickness then He will do so and has done so in the past.
It really is amazing just how huge a can o' worms you are able to open, Dave.
There are ample threads here in which parents are praying hard to their gods for a miracle while their kids slip further and further away due to their illnesses.
Are you saying that god is answering their prayers with a big, fat, "NO!"???
What parent or child deserves that 'NO!' from your god, Dave?
I cannot assume to speak for God at any time. The GOD I believe in and pray to, I know heals people spiritually as well as physically. If His answer happenes to be "NO" then He has a good reason for denying healing at that time. His answer might become "YES" at a later date, Mr. Skeptic.
YOU CAN INFLUENCE YOUR WORLD THROUGH PRAYER . ELIJAH WAS A MAN LIKE PASSION LIKE US,BUT HE PRAY THAT THEY WILL NO RAIN IN THREE YEARS AND HALF, IT WAS SO , AND HE ALSO PRAY THAT THEM SHOULD BE RAIN AND IT WAS RAIN. ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT YOU DON'T PRAY A POWERFUL BUT WILL PRAY TO A POWERFUL GOD
yes, it is some kind of psychological healing for many people, just knowing that they can heal and they have hopes keeps one happier.
ah....i guess it is only psychologically... but for some people, that is enough
I know someone that's been praying for months that his mystery illness wouldn't be something that would kill him. He's a good man, pure hearted and deserves nothing other than a long, happy and healthy life.
Guess praying doesn't work because he just found he's got leukemia.
That is really sad FD.
Praying also did not stop you from being Banned either - why are you still in the forums?
Does prayer heals?
Yes, it does.
Does the medicine heal always without exception as accurately as Mathematics or Physics?
Does prayer heals? Yes, it does.
Medical treatment with prayers is the right solution; medicine is also created by the the Creator-God.
first of all, there is actually a hub related to this topic, and the author discusses research that has shown medically ill patients who have others pray for them have better outcomes than those who don't. it's not understood, nor is it meant to be; thus the word faith. your definition of healing may not be what was meant, and getting everything you want right when and how you want it may also not be what was meant. just because we don't understand something doesn't mean it's not valid.
"The placebo effect has sometimes been defined as a physiological effect caused by the placebo". Some studies have shown that people given a placebo get well just as fast as those using whatever drug. If prayer is like the placebo affect, then it might work.
Does prayer heals?
Yes, it does. Medical treatment with prayers is the right solution; medicine is also created by the the Creator-God.
Prayers and treatment are complementary not contradictory.
In a sense, yes. If someone believes strongly enough that prayer heals them then the placebo effect will have a bearing. Of course, not in the sense that the poster of this subject meant. In fact there are studies that have disproved it - in case it was needed.
Surely Prayers does heal,But for that how much you do with concentration and how much you have believe on this.If you have put complete concentration and self-belief then the result will be more than one hundred percent.
DOES PRAYER HEALS
Prayer strengthen ourselves for to treat equally answered and unanswered prayer. This strength heals all .
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