Is God needed for life begining, as no Chem. base in Universe found?
dutchman:
The "god" is "serendipity!"
Accept the FACT, that we are too "young and dumb" a species to figure it out yet.
But you are doing what needs to be done to find out: QUESTION!
There are greater minds than ours, doing the same thing. the difference 'tween us and them is they spend every moment of their lives researching to provide answers.
As you know, the only way I can define this god thing you mention, is in my imagination.
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Maybe we'll be fortunate, in our lives, to get a credible answer to your thread question...MAYBE!...But right now? We can only guess and your guess is as good as mine..:
Qwark
Hey Dutchman,
Humans create beginnings of life everyday.
So are they gods?Humans evolved. It's not really possible to talk in terms of 'first man and woman'. There were many early humans, who developed from human-like apes, who developed from less-human-like apes, etc, etc.
As to where life came from. I don't think that anyone knows, for sure ~ but that's ok. We don't know everything yet; we are still learning, experimenting, discovering.
I don't need or require "proof", because I already have an understanding that a "god" isn't necessary. But, thank you anyways.
It's the believers who need the "proof".
Life doesn't require any knowledge of any god to be understood.
Life doesn't require any knowledge of any god to be lived.
Therefore, no god required/necessary.
Anything is possible, up to the point is becomes improbable. Once it's improbable, then it's impossible.
if you are content to say thats the fact end of it, thats ok. It is an answer, yes.
I wish thought to search for the beginings, what really happened. Just want to know. In truth may never find that. I understand you know your beginings, as do I, we both know our parents and Grandparents and family tree.
I am not saying you do not understanfd. You do. I am jsut asking is a God possible by lack of Bio-Chem proof that essental chem. to support life in the "real" universe.
How can it be on earth only then? It is not random occurance. Human conception is the norm. The lack of ability to do that is the exception, so why just on earth?
It implies some type of miricle fact occurance, and we both knoe thats not reality, right? So, again, How?
I know, who cares, we are here......lolIn the "real" Universe, everything exists to make life. We are living proof of that. Bacteria is living proof of that. Viruses are living proof of that.
No one is saying only on Earth. We've barely explored the Universe, so that continues to remain unknown.
Who says humans only exist on Earth? I know of no one making that claim.
No miracle. Humans are nothing special, just another life form.
different realities, in different dimenshions? if so then God is possible then..? hmmm
The Gospel according to Randy Godwin.
Nice theory, but in the same basket as all the others, including the Biblical account.
All opinions have the same value here, remember that. No-ones is any better than all the others.
I disagree, Aka! I often see opinions more worthy of being heard than others. Not yours of course, but there are those who have shown they are worth the time hearing what they have to say.
Too bad you value no one person's opinion more than another. I think I may see the problem you have with understanding reality.
I am not stuck just with this reality.
I have certainly read many others opinions, and value them as you value mine.
Not because they don't agree with mine, just that they all are either dead ends, or so open ended, they will never close.
I see you are still a snake worshipper.
Just mine!
Why do you say probably not here? Who said Life came on meteors? As far as the human species is concerned, our life form originated here. It would only be speculation to say that we didn't begin here. Just a thought.
I'm talking about one celled creatures, Cags. Life began as tiny creatures I believe, but I have no proof of that of course!
But nothing suggest one-celled creatures didn't come from Earth, so why speculate that they came from somewhere else?
Why not? Why limit life to earth when it is a relatively new planet compared to multitudes in our galaxy alone. Why do you think it had to happen here?
Because there isn't anything suggest otherwise.
I am not doubting there is other life form exactly like human or even identical to humans elsewhere, but as of right now, there isn't anything to support the speculation. It's only probable.
If you're interested- This Universe wouldn't be different than any other Universe in existence, except for the time in which it has existed. So, it's not too far out of the way to think that the human species isn't actually the only, one-of-a-kind, as it appears.
If this Universe has the human species in it, then through evolution, other Universes would also.Sure there is! Why, when you speak of cycles of the universe, is it farfetched to think life may have survived through some or all of the cycles in the form of ice or inside rocks themselves?
Unless you have some means of proving this couldn't happen, then there is something to suggest life may have been started here by a comet or asteroid impact into the sea.
Then you alter reality. Isn't that the power of a god?
Yes, the item you create would exist in both, outside of you and inside of you(from imagination).
You reside in it, only because you originally created it.
If you put your heart into making/creating a gift for someone, did you not put something into it?
Actually, I didn't cut and paste that, but you would like to believe I did. I was typing that in, because it comes from my research on answering questions about Life. Something apparently you refuse to understand.
I didn't think it would, because YOU NEED to believe in a god.
Yes, the Universe came into being, through the Grand Cycle.
Are you missing something or is a comprehension problem? The Universe itself is the matter that creates the Grand Cycle. Duh!
I'm sure you'll certainly try to point them out.
Again, as I said before. I haven't gotten into the technical jargon, yet you come at me with it anyways.I don't understand all the technical stuff without having to go back and re-read my research on the topic. However, considering my research has over 3000 pages to it, and to dig out specifics just for you....isn't the simplest thing in the world to do.
Of course not. But, you're also not taking into account other factors within the Universe itself, like Black/White holes, which you apparently missed in my description of the Grand Cycle.
If you formed the belief, then you did so out of a need of some sort, because living life and understanding it on an individual level, doesn't require it.
I am an open-minded individual up to the point when distortion and misinformation comes into play.Coming from you, I don't doubt you would sell something that didn't exist to begin with, to someone else.
Who made god again?
Or he may be just a figment of your imagination. Wow! You lost 4 profile points in a matter of hours. Perhaps it was something you said!
Fortunately we are now making scientific breakthroughs almost daily due in part to the massive decrease in processing time because of the new super computers crunching the numbers.
We will know much more soon using the information coming out of particle accelerators world wide.
From one joker to another-I didn't notice this was on the astrology channel.
I'm also sorry I do not have your powers of recreating miracles nor the ability to travel outside of my body, even with blurry vision. You must really be an awesome individual in your mind. I do not envy you at all. I do not wish to be bestowed such gifts from whoever it is.
And who is joking? Much of my dialog is serious if you can understand my point of view. But yes, I had rather make people laugh than instill them with gloom and doom. Sorry!
Well, your corrections do have the aroma of dead fish and chum about them!
Hey TMMason, I know you love to put things the way you want to suit your own needs, but you assumed the wrong thing, as I have tried to explain.
You claimed to want to sell me a bridge.
I said you want to sell something that was non-existent. You assumed I was talking about the "bridge", which was your first mistake.
Before you can actually sell the bridge, you MUST first have the "rights"(which is the something I was referencing), to do so.
Something in my statement was talking about the "RIGHTS TO SELL" the bridge. That is what is non-existent. Man, you need to get a life.What did Cags misspeak about? I suppose I missed something in his post. So you are afraid to state your purpose for posting here? Or do you even know why you are doing so?
It really doesn't matter to me, of course! If you wish to appear as you do then continue doing so. I just don't want you to get the impression anyone cares what you think.
Personal attacks? What a laugh! You are afraid to allow us to know you as a person. In order for there to be a personal attack there must be a person to insult.
Let's see what we know about you. Your avatar is of a former paranoid commie chaser-I don't really what message you are trying to convey with this, or if there is one.
Your hubs are merely rants which I doubt get many reads or comments.
Your inability to raise your profile score to even equate with many foreign writers here tells me much about your intelligence and ability.
You appear frightened to reveal anything at all about yourself on the forums or in your profile. And yes, your profile score does mean something on this site.
Sometimes it is almost embarrassing to me because I often have a 100 profile score beneath my avatar. Sometimes it prevents me from posting to someone with a much lower score because I'm afraid it will appear as condescension. It also makes me feel as if I am somehow tricking the system into giving me 100's.
So you see, I also wonder about why your score stinks so bad. Another reason to suspect your reasons for being here.
But I have a suggestion for you. Why not start a thread just for your type of HP members. You guys can remain as anonymous to each other as possible and think you are actually giving the opinion of a real person.
Or do you dislike conversing with others like yourself? Just try talking to those who provide no more personal info about themselves than you do in your profile, hubs or forum posts and see how much you value their views. I dare you!No surprise, TM. I didn't think you wanted to converse with those of your own ilk. No one does. That's why you are here in the first place, isn't it. You feel safe and secure hiding in your anonymity while espousing your "point of view" as you called it.
I doubt seriously you are even a man at all. Probably a teenage male who enjoys pretending they are someone who others look up to. Teen Male? TM? Is there a connection there?
But seriously TM, would you value a non-persons opinion the same as one you knew something about?
And by the way, None of my hubs concern politics at all. My "liberal Socialists Democrat friends" do not read my hubs as far as I know. It would especially be a hardship for them to visit one of my hubs almost 50,000 times.
But do continue to comfort yourself with the thought someone actually cares about your point of view. I suppose that's all you've got left.
Now, this is the real end of the story! Is that a zit?
Thank you dutchman. Much appreciated. I just don't like distortion and misinformation being passed along from those who continue to do it.
I see that, and I do not think you are cut and paste. I presented this question for a scientific thought and discussion, and it is great.
keep on, all points are very interesting for everyone, and so very much appreciaterd also. all of you guys are great. thanks to all, keep going please.
please, no insults, keep it fact based please.
Totally fallacious reasoning. It's obvious though, that those who understand current theories understand them a whole lot better than others who toss out such comments, especially in light of their religious beliefs.
Being tired of hearing those arguments just means you're tired of your religious beliefs being contradicted by reality.
I wonder....... who invented the inventor?
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