Is this World too Good fo Mankind ? Do you care......

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   ahorsebackposted 12 years ago

   A wonderful soul just commented on a hub ,in discussions of mankind and  of humanity !, And, I am wondering , do any of you think the world is too good for mankind ? Would it be better off without us here ? Given the contant turmoil in the world. Is political mankind destroying our world.

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      kessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Without mankind... what good there is in this world?

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         ahorsebackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         There would be only the world of nature , man isn't the reason for all the goodness in this world. he is just one small sometimes negative aspect of the world.

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            kessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            So i guess you miss the purpose for your existence...?
            
            and if the world exist merely for itself then it is good for and as nothing..

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         Nellieannaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Well, let's just say it wouldn't affect mankind if we were not here on this planet.  We just wouldn't BE to know, much less to care.  The key question is not "what if?" - but more what are we DOING while we ARE here, both to benefit our environment here and raise our sights to a higher level of understanding and possibly, even of enlightenment.  For sure, though, the planet's existence is not dependent on our participation, but ours in human form as we know it, is dependent on it.

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            pennyofheavenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Thats is just it. Our participation in human form is connected to the earth. Thinking we are not is where the problem lies. If we do not realize our connection both physically and metaphysically how would we know what to "do"

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               Nellieannaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Yes.  It's amazing, isn't it, how often more primitive humans did feel the connection with the Earth - and respected it, as well.  Consequently it seemed to interact more reciprocally with them.  They could sense its changes somewhat the way birds know to fly south in time to avoid freezing weather, etc.  With humans, this mutual understanding with the planet did seem to have a more metaphysical facet, too.  And - as you say - they often just seemed to "know" what to DO and- when to do it.
               
               We sacrificed so much of that by trying to superimpose our will and our creation on it, even to our own and its detriment.  It's a mentality which, I'm afraid, poisons our relationships with each other and with other creatures as well, far too much.

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                  pennyofheavenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes agree.

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      Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Would the gazelle be better off without the lion, would the seal be better off with out the orca? Probably.
      
      But, it is the requirement of most all living things to consume other living (or dead) things in order to survive.
      
      The cycle of life thingy.
      
      
      
      Mankind is far too divided due mostly in part to the intolerance they harbor against each other, fueled primarily from the intolerance of centuries of religious rule, mindset and bloodshed.
      
      Sure, many will argue it's all politics, but that still doesn't mean the politics are not divinely driven.
      
      Mankind must first shake off the myths and superstitions of the past before they can ever reconcile their differences. 

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      pennyofheavenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Given our connection to the world. We need it, it needs us.
      
      Kind of like a human body. The body is a biological entity, without consciousness and the perceptions of man it will not exist long on its own.
      
      The body can be likened to that of the world, our consciousness and perceptions likened to that of humans in the world.
      
      We humans affect the state of the world just as our consciousness and perception affect the state of our body.

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         ahorsebackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         That is so true Pennyof heaven , a huge connection of man and earth , but we have to be vigilant always.

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            pennyofheavenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Yes indeed.

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   just_curiousposted 12 years ago

   Wow  you should go watch the video someone posted on the thread about truth not being a constant. That shows the world kind of needs our crazy species.

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      ahorsebackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      But the world doesn't need man to survive.

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         just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         According to that video, it needs us to even exist. But I agree with you, inasmuch as we have done everything we could to trash the place.I think of the earth as a living organism and it's going to belch pretty soon, to try to right some of the wrongs we've done. If we're lucky, we'll survive and do better after that to protect what we have.

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            ahorsebackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            My point exactly , this world doesn't need man, why should it? Are we that self assured of ourselves that we think it couldn't survive without us?

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               just_curiousposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Well, I think self assured is probably not the place that I perceive myself as coming from. From your point of view I agree. The planet would be just fine without our presence.

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               Nellieannaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I see I should have read further into the discussion before posting my initial response.  You've summed it up much better, ahorseback.  Frankly I can't even imagine the presumption of thinking man or any other creature on the planet is essential to its survival.  That life as we know it does need the planet is equally obvious.  There really is little place for self-assurance - or lack of it, for that matter - in that basic relationship we have with our environment and our place in it.  Perhaps there is a sense that the planet was made so we could eventually inhabit it?  That would be a bit like the old notion that the Earth is the center of the universe with everything revolving around it.  There is order and hierarchy in what we know of the physical universe and our "place" in it, so infinitesimal as to be virtually negligible!

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   Cagsilposted 12 years ago

   Is this World too good for Humanity? Do you care?
   
   First, I'll address the first question- No.
   
   Secondly, Do you care? This is the problem, not enough people truly care. The amount of love in the world has diminished over the course of human history. Too many variables or other factors are involved, such as distortion tactics by those who want power and control, to such mysticism in the form of religion. Both are used by other people who have already usurped their positions, power, wealth and control, so the masses continue to remain separated and completely unaware of that the average individual is purposely being manipulated.
   
   As for me caring- I love the world and everything in it, on it and made by it. The main problem is in the people's inability to be consciously aware of underlying problems, for which, is why I began to increase awareness through my writing Hubpages.

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   melporposted 12 years ago

   No, the world is not too good for humanity. Man made the world the way it is. Otherwise this would be a world full of animals in a constant struggle for survival just like what we are doing now. This is what all animals including us have been doing for the last 4 billion years. If mankind wasn't here this will be just another planet going around a star with life forms on it for a few more billion years until the sun destroys it. The only change that would occur is that there would not be any humans to start civilization.

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   Joy56posted 12 years ago

   humans are ruining it, when they could of looked after it better.  The sad question is, have we left it too late to turn things around......

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   ahorsebackposted 12 years ago

   Joy56 , you've got it , man is detroying earth at a faster and faster pace. Fom the mountain tops to the seas bottoms. From the cities to the farmlands , everyone takes a piece of it.

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      Nellieannaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      That is true.  We are not very good stewards - or even guests - on this fair planet we inhabit.  But even so - it would survive our mistreatment and persist with or without our contrbutions to its welfare.  It might be changed - once we had self-imploded - but it would hardly blink or miss our presence one way or the other.  It survived much more devastating major changes in its history, most of them non-manmade - well actually- ALL of them not manmade!  Our presence here is such an incidental factor to the planet Earth as to be of little importance or effect to it.  We may be making our own habitat on it dangerous for OUR survival, but if the mountains tumble a bit with our machinery, if the waters are polluted with our debris, if the air is filled with carbon fumes - we are the victims, not the earth.  Nothing on it is destroyed or consumed but what it reappears in a new form and takes its place in or on the Earth.   If the atmosphere is polluted beyond giving us what we need to breathe - well - so what, as far as the planet is concerned?  We will have simply built our own gallows and destroyed ourselves.  THAT is what we need to sit up and notice - while we still can.

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         ahorsebackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Nellieanna, Now there is the wisdom in the answer! the earth doesn't need us, ! And yes we must begin to wake up to our stewardship.

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   whiteboysoulposted 12 years ago

   I think that it's inevitable that one of two things is going to happen. Either the world is going to have such a cataclysm that the human race is rendered extinct, or the Earth becomes a dead planet. Any either case, any fundamentalists who are still around will claim it's the rapture and they will be right, but when they figure out what's next they won't be happy about it.

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      ahorsebackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Whiteboysoul, one thing about your interpretation thats true. Fundementals  and atheists alike  are the cause and affect  for mankinds and the earth he lives upons ,demise! And when  it's all over ? They will stand pointing fingers at each other while the earth burns around their ears. While the dozers and the oil wells , the highways and the polluting factories  rumble on.

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         whiteboysoulposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         You are correct that we are all at fault. There is not going to be one major shift in ideology or politics that saves the world. Instead there needs to be seven billion little shifts in the way we all view our Earth. Individuals are the only ones who can save the world through their actions, their voting and their buying habits.
         
         and they won't be pointing fingers- they'll all be dead (except for Will Smith

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   CheyenneAutumnposted 12 years ago

   I have often thought that one of the main causes of mans willingness and almost willful destruction of the planet that supports his very life is brought about by the religiously instilled idea that there will be "a new heaven and a new earth" in our future. We will be whisked away from this mess we have made and placed on a pristine new home where we will be taken care of and tended like the infants we really are. Who but an infant soils his own space and shows no concern.
   That being said - I think Yes this world is too good to us, but even a dog tollerates fleas - for a time. I often go out to the countryside and look for rocks and such and I see more and more trash of those who were there before me... do I care? YES! Toss that cigarette butt, drop that can, throw away that cup and piece of paper - they will let the earth break them down... I am too busy to take care of my own trash. What arrogance.
   But when all is said and done my anger does nothing - I pick up what I see - I mutter to my self and say I am sorry to the land and waters we have abused.
   Then again - we drop old ships in the ocean and it becomes home for new coral beds - we clear and thin forests and meadows and grass lands are formed for animals that browse. We can care and repair what we have marked -- Sometimes we try but we could do more.
   I will step off my rant now and thank you my friend for this chance to vent.

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   ahorsebackposted 12 years ago

   Perhaps we as humans are at fault, I like to find old homesteads in this area , and lost in deep woods are the stone foundations of an mostly aggrarian society , what's left of two hundred year old farms , stone lined holes in the ground where the barn and house once stood. But, Not a piece of waste anywhere , long ago homes where everything useful was reused ,recycled , or reduced to dust. Is the earth in itself forgiving enough of man? And if it can forgive, can it still survive and reclaim its once and naturally essential ability to
   revitalize itself , to regenerate its purity ? Who knows for sure....

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      pennyofheavenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Yes. Nature has a way of balancing herself despite our ignorance, because that is the way of nature. If we do not learn we could be forced by way of nature balancing herself to adopt more primitive ways of living with nature. It is happening now all over the world her efforts to maintain balance. Nature will always win. Even if we had a war that wiped everyone and everything off the planet she will replenish and rebuild. We cannot.

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    DoubleScorpionposted 12 years ago

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