What you Need to Know About Christian Faith.

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Kindblinkposted 13 years ago
No one can call themselves a Christian without faith in Jesus Christ. Hebrews 11:1 is a key scripture to begin to understand what is faith and how you get faith.

Faith and Christianity

Faith is the cornerstone of all Christians. It is how the disciples were able to preach and change the world. They absolutely believed in God's promises as told to them by Jesus Christ. The disciples treated the good news of Jesus as truth even though most of these truths were either promises for the future or at odds with the material world around them.

When Christians act out on their faith, it is the evidence of things not seen. Faith is the source of a Christian's strength and places them in God's plan for mankind. Through faith Christians anticipate the future of God's promises and act in faith in their day-to-day activity knowing they are in God's plan.

Without Christian faith there is no substance, no purpose, or strength in a person's life. People may have faith in other gods, themselves, or material things, but this type of faith is temporal and does not rely upon God's truth. Without faith in Jesus Christ, all is vanity with no purpose or hope. Jesus Christ came on this Earth to offer faith to all of mankind that everyone can be part of God's plan for eternal life and meaningful existence. Faith allows Christians to rise above earthly experience and participate in God's plan. If you have anything you want to add or any question you want to ask, don't hesitate post your comment.
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  vector7posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Amen..
  
  Well said soldier.. (2 Timothy 2:3-4)
  
  Keep serving Christ and teaching the Word of God. We need more like you.
  
  Short on time. May try to find something to tie in soon though.
  
  Great post Kindblink...
  
  God bless.
  
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  Kindblinkposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks Victor7 for being the first person to check this post out. That mean you will be the fist person to receive the blessing of God this week. Thanks and i really appreciate your thoughtful kindness.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You call me vain, insubstantial, purposeless, weak and hopeless.
  
  This is why your religion causes so many wars.
  
  Us and them.
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  vector7posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Smile friend. Life is good.
  
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, through preaching the word and changing the world, many wars were started as a result. Religious conflict continues today and it would appear that those with "no substance, no purpose, or strength, vanity with no purpose or hope" appear to be the ones who are not causing wars but are instead trying to avert them?
  
  How do you explain that?
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  vector7posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You talk about war a lot..
  
  Talk about peace.
  
  I love you..
  
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  thebrucebeatposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Please read my hub
  <snipped link - do not promote your Hubs in the forums>
  
  I think you will understand why your view of this topic doesn't inspire many who don't already hold your position.
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  vector7posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  We don't inspire. We teach truth. Accepted or not, that is the hearer's own personal choice. They do have free will.
  
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  getitriteposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  TRUTH?!
  
  I guess it doesn't matter that your beliefs have been thoroughly debunked countless times as nothing but fraud.
  How uninspiring.
  
  Now we do, but the 'witches' at Salem, and countless others didn't have that choice.
  
  The truth is, your God character is a brutal psychopath, but the good news is, fortunately, He is not real.
  
  TRUTH?!!!
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Shouting just makes you sound loud ,NOT right
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I've always thought shouting was a sure sign someone wasn't sure of what they were saying.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ive always thought 'they thought' I wanted the weather ,lol and not not the news.
  
  Yea I know corny
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Not corny. Maybe down under humor. That went over my head.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Shouting (spitting as they shout,wet ie weather)
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  getitriteposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Your opinion means absolutely nothing...and I'm absolutely sure of that. But thanks for sharing.
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  getitriteposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  Apparently, you didn't read a word of my statement, and after reading your response, it is apparent that this is the response of someone who is rigidly programmed, and incapable of making anything except a knee-jerk emotional response.
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  DoubleScorpionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Everyone does understand that freewill is having a choice without consequences? Once there is a punishment or a reward it is not freewill but a matter of...if you can afford the cost of doing or not...
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  Dave Mathewsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Double Scorpion: What you say here makes sense but then instead of freewill how about we call it "Free Choice" the freedom to choose.
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  DoubleScorpionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Freedom of Choice, That I agree with.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You also have the free will to respect others, but that would preclude your free will to teach your truths.
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  vector7posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  As if that display of laughy faces up there is respect?
  
  And again, your choice to come here had no consequence.
  
  Free will was yours in coming to read..
  
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  Woman Of Courageposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  kindblink, Amen, Be encouraged faithful servant of God.
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  Dave Mathewsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Kindblink: Congatulations for speaking so stronly about Christianity, Christian Faith and Beliefs. I will stand with you on this.
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  qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "What you Need to Know About Christian Faith.'
  
  ...is that it is deadly and may be the perp of an attempt at human extinction.
  
  I hope that the fairytale god of "believers," blesses 'em with a front row seat at the point of detonation!
  
  I kinda wish they could experience the "great disappointment" after their evaporation and I could be a "smart ass" and tell 'em: "I told ya so.....nyaa nyaaa nyaaa! :
  
  Qwark
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  vector7posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Qwark.. You poor thing. All you have in your defense is your definitions and opinions..
  
  Enjoy your reply.
  
  Last word is yours. Promise.
  
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  qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes Vector:
  
  The "truth," is so obvious to the truly "enlightened," that they can be easily "baited" into making probable prognostications.
  
  Of course those who are easily led, by a fairytale "superthing," have already proved, to the "enlightened," that they can be easily "baited" into believing that they are "special" and will reside in the "isles of the blessed" in a life-after-life.
  
  That kind of "ignorance," is epidemic, But isn't is said that "ignorance IS bliss?"
  
  I hope that as a "victim" of this epidemic of "ignorance," you enjoy the remaining years of your life wallowing "blisfully" in a cosmos of wailing and pleading souls awaiting their transport thru the pearly gates into the "wonders" of eternal joy! That couldn't be anything but being with your imagined "heavenly" host!...Your god almighty!
  
  Oh the disappointment you'd experience if only, after detonation, you could realize that YOU HAD BEEN HAD! :
  
  Oh how I'd love to be able to experience your disappointment!
  
  Call me a "sicky." lolol :
  
  Qwark
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  Bible Studiesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If we been had, then so be it. You can dance your I told you so's around us. What if we have not been had? Trust me, I'm not going to be singing any I told you so's.
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  Dave Mathewsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You mock me and you mock by belief and most of all you mock God. When everything comes to an end, I will be standing beside Jesus my God and singing and I will blow you a kiss as you are being escorted to your firey grave and suffering.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And Dave, it's ironic you don't see conflict in your words.
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  Disappearingheadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Just suppose for a moment that our athiest friends are to be escorted to a fiery grave as you call it Dave, how do you reconcile your blowing them a kiss with "the Lord takes no delight in the punishment of the wicked"?
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And, if Jesus turned to see you blowing kisses at those who were being escorted to a fiery grave, he would stand you in line with them.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly!
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Dave. I'm coming to the conclusion that there is a great deal of futility in commenting in these forums, but I felt the need to respond to this. That was way harsh. On anyone's scale. I'm surprised your christian family hasn't commented. I hope you've rethought that statement and seen it for what it is.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why would he do that? This is what comes across from a good many so-called Christians. They are not usually daft enough to put it quite this bluntly - they usually claim to be "saved" where us atheists are "unsaved" - but it is there.
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I know. It's still quite sad to see it.
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
What you Need to Know About Christian Faith

Does the Christian faith have anything to do with Jesus or his teachings?
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus was neither a god nor a son of god; he was son of Adam, a human being.
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's EXACTLY why you are not a Christian.
  If you said the opposite, and believed it, you WOULD become one.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That will make me not following in the footsteps of Jesus.
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What footsteps are you following?
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus did not believe in Trinity; so I also don't believe in it.
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Who said that Jesus believed in trinity?
  Where did we get on that subject?
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  Dave Mathewsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  paarsurrey: you are wrong. Jesus definitely did believe in the Trinity or Triune God. When he dispatched His apostles to preach the Gospel he instructed them to "Baptize in the name of the Father and of The Son, and of the Holy Spirit". He would not have recorded this in the Bible if He did not believe it himself.
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  DoubleScorpionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The Trinity part was added later by the church. If Jesus believed in the Trinity then he was not part of it. Or if he was, he would have said Baptize in the Name of My Father, In My Name and In the Name of the Holy Spirit which is to come after my Death.
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  Dave Mathewsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It is a part of the Bible and spoken by Jesus himself. You just like to argue to hear yourself talk.
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  DoubleScorpionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sure...that is what it is...So every college that teaches biblical studies is wrong.. got ya...tell that to the professors at yale or harvard...the Trinity is not mentioned in the bible.. it is only alluded to...
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  Dave Mathewsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  MATTHEW: 28: 19 IS THIS SCRIPTURE MERELY JUST SOME AFTER-THOUGHT STUCK INTO THE BIBLE AT SOME LATER DATE IN TIME. THE HOLY BIBLE THE WORDS OF GOD ALMIGHTY, CANNOT BE IN ERROR THEREFORE YOU MUST BE AS WELL AS ANY PROFESSOR TEACHING OTHERWISE.
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  DoubleScorpionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  ok you win. those who teach and those who go to school and study these things throughly are all wrong and you are right. Have a good one
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  vector7posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus most certainly taught the Trinity and IS a part of it:
  
  John 17:1-3
  
  1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
  
  Matthew 8:28-29
  
  28 And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way. 29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
  
  Matthew 26:63-64
  
  63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God. 64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
  
  The Son of man is a title given to the Messiah spoken of in the book of Daniel. The coming Son of God, The Messiah, The Lamb of God...
  
  http://christiananswers.net/q-eden/son-of-man.html
  
  Matthew 28:19
  
  19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
  
  Jesus said He was the Son of God, and to baptize in the "...name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
  
  I have no clue who gave you the idea that Jesus didn't teach the Trinity... that is ridiculous.
  
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  DoubleScorpionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  First Off. how about you find out when your bible was translated versus what was originally written...Second.. Jesus teaches that the Holy Spirit would come after him to comfort... nothing was said of the trinity...Also Jesus also said that he would be with the Father (on his right hand) after his death only...The Trinity is never mentioned in the bible.. it is only alluded to. Jesus taught that the only way to the kindom of heaven was through "him" and the part in Matthew was added later...it is not in the original texts. He also taught that the kindom of heaven was within each one of us and could never been seen outside of this... He also taught that we are all gods(albeit, he was defending himself with "thier" law) And as a Christian...your life should inspire...you shouldn't have to tell someone what you are.. they should know what you are by how you live your life...Inspiration....not Teachings....another "do as I say and not as I do" theory...
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  vector7posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Nice sermon.
  
  I find that many scholars have came before you and have much greater knowledge in the matter than many of us think we hold so much of..
  
  And your right, it doesn't matter. What matters is Christ crucified for the sins of the world, and if you believe on Him and follow His teachings you will live.
  
  My life is not on this forum. This forum is for "literate" conversing. Therefore I teach, and tell, and post scripture. Go preach the Gospel. Did Christ not say that?
  
  And your "kingdom is within us" speech was spoken years and years ago before you were thought of. Christ cannot come in the clouds if the kingdom is in your head or your heart. It is true but the understanding of it is a little more complicated than you people put on. I suppose you think the demons He cast out were "in" us as well? There is a KINGDOM. He is not some phony, but the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords..
  
  Whatever you post next will be left alone. You have not referred to scholarly teaching about the scriptures as this is obvious from your posts. Thousands of years of work are in the Bible, and in understanding it as well.
  
  And the translation thing is getting old. The people who spoke and read the language themselves verified it then and verify it now. They are not extinct and they know what the words in their own language mean.
  
  As for me inspiring. If I inspire, it is by attempting with my best efforts to follow Christ's example and teachings to bring Him glory. And in that process is humility, which Christ Jesus taught overwhelmingly and with emphasis. Matthew 18:2-3
  
  Have a good one..
  
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  DoubleScorpionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I see we disagree...nothing wrong with that...I have a PHD from Regent University in Biblical Studies....And I am working on a Masters from Saint Leo's in Religions. I have been taught a thing or two about the bible from those scholars you spoke about...As well as appling my own common sense. I have researched and learned where the bible came from.. why and who decided what parts would go where...And if you don't like what the bible says then by all means run away...there is nothing that I said earlier that wasn't written in the bible.
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  vector7posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  All that education and you missed the main point..
  
  Not to be prideful..
  
  Deary me..
  
  Yeah. You're certainly on your own with this...
  
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  DoubleScorpionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  there is a difference between what is written in the bible.. and the christian doctrine that is associated with it. and I thought you wasn't going to reply..LOL...
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  DoubleScorpionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  and about missing the point...Check out the new testament class that is taught at Yale...It is on a free site...
  http://oyc.yale.edu/religious-studies
  
  If interested.. you don't have to... The old testament is there to. Yale isn't a religious type school though...so the class is taught a little different than some of the more religious inclined schools
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  Dave Mathewsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No thanks I've got my own bible and can read quite well thanks.
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  DoubleScorpionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Seriously? You are not interested in what the Colleges are teaching about the Bible? Or what your pastor was taught in school? That is interesting.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Dave, the idea about having an open mind is the ability and capacity to entertain a thought or idea but not necessarily having to accept or deny it.
  
  If one refuses to even entertain an idea, then we can never share them and hence, never learn anything.
  
  I would suspect that if DoubleScorpion was offering you something that would enhance your knowledge of your faith, you would jump at the chance as opposed to flatly refusing.
  
  Just a thought, to be entertained.
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  Dave Mathewsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Beelzedad: My mind is open to many thoughts and ideas from other but when one says that something is not so and cannot be substantiated, and I offer documentation to disprove them, and still they will not see, frustration sets in.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I would wholeheartedly agree with on that one, Dave. It is frustrating.
  
  I'm assuming your documentation is, "MATTHEW: 28: 19:"
  
  "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"
  
  If so, you are correct, that those words are in the bible.
  
  However, DoubleScorpion says he has a PhD in Biblical Studies, and is a wealth of accurate information on the history of the bible and can probably explain a great deal about that passage and it's origins.
  
  Aren't you even the slightest bit interested in what he has to say? I know I am.
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  DoubleScorpionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Beelz- They not interested because I am not christian and because what I say doesn't agree with what they have been indoctrinated with. And of course it doesn't match thier beliefs. Every professor that I studied with that teaches from an accredited school will tell you that the trinity is not original bible. It was added to portions of the NT later to support the trinity portions of the christian doctrine by the church. Apologetics is something that is taught just for the purpose of defending condradictions and other anomolies found in the bible.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I think you have been indoctrinated ,seriously I do.
  
  You speak like ,you woke up one morning with this great revelation. (about Christianity)
  
  And you presume to think that all Christians that exist must be brainwashed ,indoctrinated,somehow wondering around like zombies.
  
  Does it ever occur to non-believers that many Christians apply the same principles as you do to an arguement.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Then, you clearly have missed the entire point of the definition of indoctrination, seriously you have.
  
  Or instead, he woke up one morning and began to re-evaluate his beliefs, applying critical thinking, reason and rationale.
  
  What behavior they exhibit can be observed as such.
  
  No, they don't.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes,they do.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I believe the label is incorrect.
  
  Ok analyse this:
  
  Yesterday my neighbour ( and old lady) left her trash outside,cept she was too late,hours later some cats got into an dragged trash over her lawn. Darkness fell, I picked it up.
  
  No one knows and I dont need to tell her.
  
  Why did I do it?
  
  For a reward ,you say.
  
  How bout because I liked helping someone who couldnt help themselves?
  
  If the label you want to place on it is indoctrinated, oh well so be it.
  
  Seems like more could benefit from being indoctrinated.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I have no idea how you manage to equate picking up an old ladies garbage to accepting religious doctrines. Why not actually try to explain your claims as opposed to stuffing posts with strawmen.
  
  You see, you did not apply that which you claimed to apply.
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  DoubleScorpionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I never said I was a non-believer...just that I don't claim to be christian. And I was only talking about one or two certian people in that particular post and only concerning certian comments that was made. nothing more. And like I have told others. I only repeat what is being taught in schools about the bible nothing more. I don't not add my opinions of the text. And Yes, I was indoctrinated for the first 20 years or so of my life. But the choice to learn about religions and the bible was a choice that I made of my own free will. I like to discuss, that is how I learn more. I don't on the norm point out people directly...but when you point out something that is being taught by a known college that should be of interest to the party you are talking with and they refuse to even look at it simply because they don't agree with you and yet claim to be openminded...well that is just amazing to me.
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  qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hello Scorpion.
  
  Ph.D? Really?
  
  Your comment:
  
  "And I was only talking about one or two certian people in that particular post and only concerning certian comments that was made. nothing more. And like I have told others."
  
  Why so many mistakes in spelling, syntax and punctuation?
  
  It certainly isn't college level use of my native language: English
  
  I only have 2 Masters Degrees and I am anal about proof reading everything I write. Of course I make mistakes, but for goodness sakes, I at least try to offer corrected comments.
  
  Just offering constructive criticism.
  
  No insult intended. :
  
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  DoubleScorpionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, I know. My typing is sometimes not the best. I didn't realize I was being graded...LOL...I don't stress being perfect and my wife complains about how I talk and write as well...LOL
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  qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Scorpion:
  
  You and I both know how much work and time we've invested in our educations.
  
  I'm particularly proud of being the only one in my family to have graduated college and gone onto graduate work.
  
  Maybe I'm too anal about portraying myself as being somewhat educated by being so careful in my use of English.
  
  It was expected of both of us by our counselors and profs if we were to gain the degrees we possess.
  
  Maybe I shouldn't, but I feel embarrassment for those who claim graduate or post graduate degrees and don't/can't express themselves well verbally or in print... publicly.
  
  I think it reflects poorly on all of us who spent many,many years in the classroom trying to improve our minds and lives and upon the American educational system.
  
  I hope you understand my stance.
  
  Qwark :
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  DoubleScorpionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I understand your point. You are correct. I never really thought of it that way before, I'll have to pay more attention as to how I am presenting myself. Thank you for the insights.
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  qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Scorpion:
  My pleasure :
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus was known as the son of Man AND the son of God
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insearchof truthposted 13 years ago
Kindblink, I think Jesus said it well - "Do not throw your pearls to pigs". It would appear there are many in these forums that just wait for opportunity to hurl insults at a Christian.

Bless you brother,
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  Woman Of Courageposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi insearchof truth, It seems kindblink is banned. I would love to know why. He did not personal attack anyone in this thread with his words. He simply stated the truth. All is well. There is nobody mad but the devil. God bless you.
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  kimberlyslyricsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  HI WOC
  bless babe
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  Woman Of Courageposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi kimberly, How are you? Hang in there.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Seems like someone feels threatened hmmm happened to another hubber a couple of weeks ago too. Oh he was a Christian.
  
  Thank you God that your love is more powerful,than the arrows of the enemy !!
  
  And you will always find the right voice in time for the true seeker.
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  Woman Of Courageposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Agreed.
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  insearchof truthposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Amen, amen and amen Eaglekiwi!
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  violalandersposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus, he true human not GOD.
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus, Him true man AND true God.
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  vector7posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  lol.. Amen dj...
  
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Daniel Carterposted 13 years ago
What we know about Christianity is what we've observed. Far more dramatic than the words of Christianity.

Not sure we need to know anything more.
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Beelzedadposted 13 years ago
No need to shout, Dave.
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DoubleScorpionposted 13 years ago
when one argues a point based off of thier own interpetation and still claims to be openminded is admazing to me. I only state my arguements based off what is taught by colleges (that i have been to) about the bible...not my opinion or interpetation of it. How or what I think of the bible is my own personal thoughts and unless someone asked me what my thoughts are I am not going to tell them. I will only repeat what is being taught by those who actually "teach" what the bible is about. You know the ones who offer you a degree when you satifactorily complete the course. Everyones personal opinions are going to vary... that is life...but when you are arguing the point against "world recognized experts in thier fields" that makes no sense to me. And when the course of actual instruction that is taught by these so called experts "that everyone claims know more than us common folk" is offered..it is blantenly refused in favor of someones own interpretation instead...How can you discuss the points that are offered by todays educational system?
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
What you Need to Know About Christian Faith

Christian faith has little to do with Jesus; Jesus never subsribed to the Christian main creeds; he could not do it, he was a Jew.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Reading the New Testament would prove otherwise.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I have read the OT and NT.
  Jesus did not die and need not die on the Cross.
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  Dave Mathewsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  parrsurrey: I do not know what Holy Bible you think you are reading but indeed the Holy Bible states that Jesus did die and died on the cross. You either need a new bible or different glasses, or you need to stop hasseling Christian believers with your foolishness.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Let it be noted that though Christians believe that Jesus (peace be on him) after his arrest through the betrayal by Judas Iscariot, and crucifixion -- and resurrection -- went to heaven, yet, from the Holy Bible, it appears that this belief of theirs is altogether wrong. Matthew (chapter 12, verse 40) says that just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the fish, so the Son of Man shall be three days and three nights in the bowels of the earth. Now it is clear that Jonah did not die in the belly of the fish; the utmost that happened was that he was in a swoon or a fit of fainting. The holy books of God bear witness that Jonah, by the grace of God, remained alive in the belly of the fish, and came out alive; and his people ultimately accepted him.
  
  If then Jesus (on whom be peace) had died in the belly of the 'fish', what resemblance could there be between a dead man and the one who was alive, and how could a living one be compared with one dead? The truth rather is, that as Jesus was a true prophet and as he knew that God, whose beloved he was, would save him from an accursed death, he made a prophecy in the form of a parable, revealed to him by God, in which he hinted that he would not die on the Cross, nor would he give up the ghost on the accursed wood; on the contrary, like the prophet Jonah, he would only pass through a state of swoon. In the parable he had also hinted that he would come out of the bowels of the earth and would then join the people and, like Jonah, would be honoured by them.
  
  So this prophecy too was fulfilled; for Jesus, coming out of the bowels of the earth, went to his tribes who lived in the eastern countries, Kashmir and Tibet, etc. viz. the ten tribes of the Israelites who 721 years1 before Jesus, had been taken prisoner from Samaria by Shalmaneser, King of Assur, and had been taken away by him. Ultimately, these tribes came to India and settled in various parts of that country.
  
  Jesus at all events must have made this journey; for the divine object underlying his advent was that he should meet the lost Jews who had settled in different parts of India; the reason being that these in fact were the lost sheep of Israel who had given up even their ancestral faith in these countries, and most of whom had adopted Buddhism, relapsing, gradually into idolatry. Dr. Bernier, on the authority of a number of learned people, states in his Travels that the Kashmiris in reality are Jews who in the time of the dispersal in the days of the King of Assur had migrated to this country.
  
  http://www.alislam.org/library/books/je … a/ch1.html
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  Dave Mathewsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus was drawing a reference to the story of Jonah, to illustrate the length of time he would remain dead, before Almighty God would resurrect him to life again just as Almighty God resurrected Lazurus from the dead after being dead and in the grave for three days.
  While on earth, Jesus the Son of God performed no miracle as God, instead any miracle performed was performed through him By Almighty God His Father. Jesus always asked His Father to performm the miracles, in order to glorify His Father.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think that Jesus was primarily referencing to illustrate the length of time ; it was not the essence of his words.
  
  Jesus was drawing a reference to the character and person of Jonah a Messenger Prophet of the Creator-God like Jesus; whom the Jews believed as Messenger Prophet; they never believed Jonah a god or son of god. Did they?
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  Dave Mathewsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The reference you make to Jonah specifically mentions the three days and three night. Therefore Jesus is referencing a period of time, and illustrating that with his death, it would take three days and three nights before God would then Resurrect Him just as God resurrected Jonah from the belly of the whale.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  How did Jesus or Jonah measure the day; was it of 24 hours?
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  Dave Mathewsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The Hebrews were instructed by God to measure the day from sunset to sunset I believe.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You mean a day was of twenty four hours.
  
  Please quote where in Torah they "were instructed by God to measure the day from sunset to sunset ".
  
  Anybody please.
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  Dave Mathewsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I cannot quote the Torah to you because I do not have one. That is why I said "I Believe" I believe it might be found in Exodus or Levitcus or Numbers in the Bible but again I am not certain.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think there is any such commandment in Torah.
  Torah is available online with search engines; one may benefit from it.
  
  Anybody else please on the issue; for friendly discussion.
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  DoubleScorpionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  In the first chapter of Genesis.
  
  Gen 1:5
  It says "and the Evening and the Morning was the First day"
  
  This would lead one to believe that the day began and ended at dusk
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  DoubleScorpionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Dave, I have a question. This is not to argue, I would honestly like your interpretation or thoughts on this.
  
  Jonah was stated as being in the whale for 3 days and 3 nights.
  
  The sign was for Jesus to be in the earth for the same.
  
  Reading the gospels, It says that Jesus was buried on Preparation Day ( day before a sabbath) and he arose prior to anyone arriving on the First day of the week.
  
  The days, back in those times, went from evening to evening. So, if the sabbath written about,was indeed a Saturday. Then Jesus would have been buried late Friday afternoon (First night), was in the earth all day Saturday (First day, second night) and then arose early in the morning(assumed after sunrise) on Sunday (first day of the week). Even looking through other possible days for sabbaths(Not Saturday) it would mean there would have been 2 "rest" days but only one was mentioned...
  
  What are your thoughts on this? And once again, I am not wanting to argue, I honestly want your thoughts on this matter. Thank you.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Bible is not authored by the Creator-God or by Jesus-the-son-of Man; it is authored by the sinful scribes who were sometimes confused and erred, very naturally.
  
  The length of time "three days and three nights" was not the essence of Jesus words; Jesus did not mean time factor literally.
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  Dave Mathewsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  Dave Mathewsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The Bible is Authored by God, he simply used many writers to do the work for him.
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  Dave Mathewsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  DoubleScorpion: Let us work this backwards.
  Mary Magdelene arrived at the open grave on the first day of the week, in Hebrew Calendar in those times, that would have been Sunday morning which would have been the fourth day. Therefore Saturday would be day three, Friday would be day two, Thursday day one therefore Jesus went into the earth before sunrise on a Wednesday. Is this what you are trying to get at.
  There is a big difference between the Hebrew Calendar and the calendar we use today.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The Lunar calendars start from the sunset.
  
  Now please count the days.
  
  Jesus was put on the Cross for 2/3 hours before the sunset on Friday as per Catholics; others Christians may believe it differently though.
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  DoubleScorpionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ok. Thanks for the response
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dingdondingdonposted 13 years ago
I'm sure you feel very strongly about your faith and I won't deny you that, but I find it short-sighted and close-minded for you to claim my life is without purpose or hope because I am not a Christian. You don't know me, you have not lived my life.
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