Muhammed and his tribe

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   davidkalugeposted 13 years ago

   I want to know the tribe of Muhammed. A senior friend said he is a Jew. He also told me about a book written by a Germany, Fredrick N. which explained the history of Egypt Pharaohs and Moses. If Muhammed is a Jew why is one tribe controlling world major religion? What was Muhammed religion/ belief before he started saw vision?

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      Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      exactly

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      mtariqsattarposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Muhammad (saw) was not a jew- who ever has told that he was has provided you wrong information.bfore the revealation little is known of his life it is believed though that he never worshiped any idol in times of pre islamic arabia- the age of ignorance.

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      Abhaque Supanjangposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      This is another misunderstanding on Islam. Whose books have you read that tell about that ? Do you ever read "Sirrah Nabawiyyah" - the history of Muhammad Salallaahu 'Alaihi Wasallam ? or other books written by the ones who tell about the greatest Prophet objectively ? Rasulullaahu 'Alaihi Wasallam was from Mecca. His tribe was Quraisy - a noble tribe in Arabian Land at that time.

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         Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         That doesn't sound too objective at all. Seems rather biased.
         
         "the greatest Prophet"

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      TMMasonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Mohammud was a Semite, as all Arabs are, and Jews, it connotes a family language root, not a Race.
      
      I think someone was confused by the terms, Semite, and, Jew.
      
      Even if you include Abraham as his father, a Jew is Jewish from his mother's side... not his father's.
      
      And a Muslim is Muslim because of his father's side... not his Mother's.
      
      Ishmael's Mother was Hagar, the Egyptian, not a Jew.
      
      So good luck on convincing them to change all that tradition, in order to become Jews.

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      darknight444posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      from all mankind god chose ibrahim and he make the profecy in his blood
      and ibrahim left 2 children and profets of god ismael
      in mekka he was raised as an arabian and isaac in jerusalem and he start the jewish blood
      
      the 3 messengers of god were related to ibrahim
      mose was e jew jesus was e jew but mohamed was from his other son ismael
      if you spoke to the jews thy will tell you that they are the ,, chosen ppl ,,
      thy were
      thy were untill jesus than god sent the last one from the blood of ismael

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      Judah's Daughterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Did that book say anything about the origins of Islam, with respect to the fact they claim to come from Ishmael and not Isaac (the sons of Abraham)?  The "chosen" of the Bible, the Jews, are also known as "Israel".  Jacob was renamed Israel.  But, let's go back to Ishmael and Isaac, which is the key to the distress between the two sons and their descendants.  Ishmael was born of the hand-maiden of Abraham, due to a lack of faith in the promise the LORD gave him in Gen 18.  The Bible calls Ishmael 'he who was born according to the flesh' and Isaac 'he who was born according to the Spirit'.  Galatians 4:29 states, "But as at that time he who was born according to the flesh [Ishmael and his descendants] persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit [Isaac, his son Jacob, renamed Israel and his descendants], so it is now also."

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         arksysposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         please have a look at the family tree in the following link...
         
         http://www.answering-christianity.com/family_tree.htm
         
         In the Quran, Jacob is still referred to Jacob and not Israel.
         
         I'll post 2 verses for you, 1 referring to children of Israel(mentioned 7 times in this chapter) and other talking about Jacob(mentioned 4 times in this chapter), both in the same chapter.
         
         Chapter 2 - Al baqara,
         (46) O Children of Israel! Remember My favour wherewith I favoured you and how I preferred you to (all) creatures.
         
         Chapter 2 - Al-baqara,
         (132) Or were ye present when death came to Jacob, when he said unto his sons: What will ye worship after me? They said: We shall worship thy God, the God of thy fathers, Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac, One God, and unto Him we have surrendered.

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   davidkalugeposted 13 years ago

   One Greek, do you mean he is a jew? Have you read the book by fredrick?

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      Greek Oneposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I think most Biblical scholars are of the opinion that Islam in fact originated far more recently than previously thought.
      
      Recent documents / discoveries have trace its origins back to the 1970s...to a shwarma shop located in Melbourne.

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   dutchman1951posted 13 years ago

   some info on the peoples of his region during the times there, for you
   
   The Arabian Peninsula was largely arid and volcanic, making agriculture difficult except near oases or springs. The landscape was thus dotted with towns and cities, two prominent ones being Mecca and Medina. Medina was a large flourishing agricultural settlement, while Mecca was an important financial center for many surrounding tribes.[33] Communal life was essential for survival in the desert conditions, as people needed support against the harsh environment and lifestyle. Tribal grouping was encouraged by the need to act as a unit, this unity being based on the bond of kinship by blood.[34] Indigenous Arabs were either nomadic or sedentary, the former constantly travelling from one place to another seeking water and pasture for their flocks, while the latter settled and focused on trade and agriculture. Nomadic survival was also dependent on raiding caravans or oases, the nomads not viewing this as a crime.[35][36]
   
   In pre-Islamic Arabia, gods or goddesses were viewed as protectors of individual tribes, their spirits being associated with sacred trees, stones, springs and wells. As well as being the site of an annual pilgrimage, the Kaaba shrine in Mecca housed 360 idol statues of tribal patron deities. Aside from these gods, the Arabs shared a common belief in a supreme deity called Allah (literally "the god"), who was remote from their everyday concerns and thus not the object of cult or ritual. Three goddesses were associated with Allah as his daughters: Allāt, Manāt and al-‘Uzzá. Monotheistic communities existed in Arabia, including Christians and Jews.[37] Hanifs – native pre-Islamic Arab monotheists – are also sometimes listed alongside Jews and Christians in pre-Islamic Arabia, although their historicity is disputed amongst scholars.[38][39] According to Muslim tradition, Muhammad himself was a Hanif and one of the descendants of Ishmael, son of Abraham.[40]
   
   The info is from Wickpedia if you care to chase it.

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      paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      The contents cited above fairly explain things on the subject.

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   davidkalugeposted 13 years ago

   Descendant can be a very long list. Most people teach that we are all Abraham descendant. It means he praticed the religion of his time before he found Islam.

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   TMMasonposted 13 years ago

   Mohammed without Camouflage:
   
   Ecce Homo......Arabicus
   
   W.H.T. Gairdner
   
   http://answeringislam.org/Books/Gairdner/camouflage.htm

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   davidkalugeposted 13 years ago

   well some people claim that he is a jew and maybe if we use the idea of being Abraham children then it becomes true.

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   paarsurreyposted 13 years ago

   Muhammad was from the line of Ishmail son of Abraham; so he cannot be called a Jew.

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   davidkalugeposted 13 years ago

   So Ishmail is from which tribe? I know Abraham begot him

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   davidkalugeposted 13 years ago

   So except by tradition Ishmail is from the mother side then Mohammed will not be called a Jew. But that is a long list of Ancestors.

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      ibneahmadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, Muhammad was not a Jew; but he respected the Jewish messengers prophets; if he did not receive Word of Revelation from the Creator God on a partical issue; he followed teachings and practice of Torah.

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    BarrelRollposted 13 years ago

    Muhammed was a pedophile

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    davidkalugeposted 12 years ago

    You mean he was taught or followed the torah?

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       arksysposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       He was surrounded by Idol worshippers during his time, he was not taught the torah.
       
       Muslims Do believe in the Torah, and the Bible. we believe they are sacred books, but of the past and altered by humans.
       
       We believe that all the prophets came down for certain tribes (there were approximately 124,000 prophets who have come to earth since the beginning of time... each of the prophets were there for a tribe. When Muhammad came he was the seal of the prophets and the messenger for Mankind (not a single tribe). This is why he is known to be the greatest Prophet ... with the greatest responsibility, which he accomplished in approximately 23 years.

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    davidkalugeposted 12 years ago

    You mean Mohammed was not taught torah or bible? Secondly, you said he represented all tribes? Okay since many prophets came before him and Muslims claim to respect the past prophets why not respect their teachings and claims just as Mohammed gave his own claims? The point is that Mohammed did not and cannot represent all tribes. It is a matter of believe. That is what we choose to believe because each of the prophets had something unique somehow. What happens if another prophet comes up after Mohammed?

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       arksysposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       The bible does talk indirectly about Muhammads arrival. there is a sign in the bible which says there will be another prophet. (i will have to research again to get the link ... plz let me know if you would like a link to it.
       
       In the last sermon of the prophet Muhammad he clearly states that there will be no one after him. There have been many people after Muhammad who have claimed prophecy but we do no believe in those people, and they have been proved to be fake. There is also a set of people who are still waiting for the next prophet.
       
       I think you got my previous statement a little wrong. I did not say or mean he represented the people. I meant he was the messenger for mankind from God. the people of this faith are responsible to spread the word.
       
       Lastly, why not respect their teachings? 
       We do respect their teachings. but do the believers really follow the teachings?  A minority of them do yes i believe so but they are very rare.
       We also know that the Torah  and Bible are older versions of the Quran therefore we respect them but  in order to keep with the times we choose to follow the latest book.  Some things that are allowed in the older versions have been forbidden in the new versions, for understandable reasons.

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          A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          How has everything Muhammad said not been proved to be fake compared with those who have been proved to be fake?

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             arksysposted 12 years agoin reply to this

             It hasn't ... but if you have come accross anything about him that seems fake to you, then let me know and i'll try to clarify.
             
             you can find a lot of information about his character and why people believe that he is a prophet.

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                A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                What he said in the Quran about Allah seems fake.

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                   arksysposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                   Quran is the words of Allah ... through the Messenger.
                   they are not the words of the prophet. The Quran is full of poetry in arabic of the highest quality, which even baffled the poets of the time because our messenger was known to be illiterate.
                   
                   There is a separate collection of sayings of the prophet called Hadith (or Hadees)

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                      A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                      No, that's the part that seems fake.
                      
                      
                      
                      That doesn't matter at all, it's still all fake. Who cares if they were baffled, there is nothing baffling about the Quran at all.
                      
                      
                      
                      More fake stuff.

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          mikelongposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          That is only an interpretation of the Bible... There is no mention of Islam or Mohammad...

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             arksysposted 12 years agoin reply to this

             that's absolutely right. it's only an interpretation, there can be many.

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    skyfireposted 12 years ago

    Hope that one is atleast literate enough to answer questions and not claims as "son of gawd" and in turn doesn't get his behind kicked by mere mortals.

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    davidkalugeposted 12 years ago

    Well, Christains do not think Jesus said anything about Muhammed but even he if said someone will come then why must it be Muhammed? That is what if someone comes up to claim to be the one, AFTER ALL SOME JEWS ARE STILL EXPECTING A MESSIAH. The point I always tell people is believe what you want and let others believe what they want but it seems difficult for people to do. Why? Muhammed can't be right about other prophets after him because there are prophets after. I think he mean prophets in Islam.

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       arksysposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Gospel of John, Chapter 16, Verse 12 onwards,
       
       12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
       13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
       14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
       15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
       16 A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.
       
       Jesus did tell the people of his time that there will be another prophet, he did not mention the name. All the descriptions match Muhammad. He does glorify Jesus. He does say that Jesus will come back before the day of judgement.
       Jewish people are still waiting because they did not approve of Jesus or Muhammad.
       Christians maybe did not realize that they are supposed to look for another prophet.
       
       Even though christians choose not to accept Muhammad, I think they should still be looking for the next Messiah just like some of the Jews.
       
       Yes i think you are right in the last statement. In Islam, there is no prophet after Muhammad and that is exactly what he said in his last sermon only to his followers. Which is why we are not looking for the next Messiah.
       
       We are only supposed to spread the word of religion and people can choose not to follow. it's up to them, our duty is to spread the word of the Quran and our prophet. Same goes with the missionaries in Christianity. we have a similar group of people who are members of the Tableegh.

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          Brenda Durhamposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Eh......those passages in John are talkin' about the Holy Ghost.   
          Christians don't need to look for another "messiah".   We already have the true One.

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             arksysposted 12 years agoin reply to this

             Whoever said it ... it is one of the 3 main Entities in christianty, and they seem to be talking about someone's arrival.
             
             The choice is yours to interpret it in whichever way your heart tells you is right.
             
             maybe i'm totally wrong ... i'm just trying to understand it further. I ask similar questions about our Quran, to the people of my faith and some get really offended, and say that i have no trust in the Quran and do not believe in Gods words. But I feel there has to be some logic to all this... i mean in the Quran we have been told to gain knowledge... don't read the Quran understand it... in order to understand something you need to ask questions if you're not getting the point. that is all i'm doing.
             I do not wish to offend anyone. I'm just trying to understand it all better.
             
             13. ... ,he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
             
             the same way our prophet Muhammad had his revelations.
             
             as explained here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahy
             
             could be a coincidence... 
             
             Or, I would like to ask if Jesus had the same kind of revelations?

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                Brenda Durhamposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                Muhammad, according to your link, had physical seizures and believed that his "revelations" came from his unconscious mind or his heart.  Apparently the depth of his conviction, his bold assertion that he spoke truth, is one of the standards by which many believe he told the truth.
                
                Comparing that to Jesus, we see from the Bible that Jesus spoke boldly too, but didn't have seizures, and He spoke with a conscious mind.  There was no need for Jesus to "channel" the Spirit because He WAS the Spirit!  In a fleshly body, though, so it was difficult for men, even the disciples, to grasp that concept.
                
                In those passages in the book of John, Jesus is telling the disciples that He (in his fleshly body) wouldn't be around for them to talk to forever,  but that He would send His Spirit (the Holy Ghost) to comfort them, lead them, guide them into all truth,  reprove the world of sin and judgment etc...(John 16: 7--17).  That Spirit is the Spirit of God.  Yes, the Trinity.  Father/Son/Holy Ghost are all the same entity.   The same Spirit that all Believers have inside them after they accept Jesus the Christ as their Savior.
                
                There are even some Christian denominations (or imitation Christian sects)  that believe that there are modern-day prophets through which some "new" word came from God.   That's not Biblical.   There are prophets in Christianity, but they are Christians who declare (as John the Baptist did, and the disciples did, and Jesus Himself did) the second coming of that same Jesus (Jesus revealed His own purpose and essence, His life/death/resurrection/ascension). Any "new" revelation is....impossible;  the Holy Ghost, after Jesus ascended back to Heaven, became the mouthpiece for God, but with the ability to speak through us humans who receive the Spirit.   Any revelation that man has or will have, will line up with the words of the Bible and simply be a declaration of the same awesome message that the Bible carries----salvation through the risen Christ and His second coming at the end of days.
                
                By the way, the Holy Ghost was evident even in Old Testament days too.  Because the Holy Ghost is the Spirit of God.  But it just wasn't revealed as clearly to people.

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                   arksysposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                   now that's what i call a decent answer. Brenda thank you for your time and effort.

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                      Brenda Durhamposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                      You're welcome.

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          TMMasonposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          You forgot to read the part of the bible where "He", the "Holy Ghost", showed up?
          
          Pick the bible back up and keep reading... man what a laugh.
          
          Mohhammud was a fraud... he perverted not only the great religions of Judaism and Christianity, but his own people's souls. All in the name of depraved sex and power.
          
          I pity Muslims... so blind... and they cannot even seek the truth. You do not get to question mohhammud or allah baba swithout giving up your life.
          
          Shame... my God says, test all things and hold fast to that which is fine. Of course since allah baba is not the same God as that of the Old and New Covenant, these things are to be expected.
          
          As my God would tell you... Go test my words and find that I, the Lord, speak only the truth. And He would not hold it against me...
          
          but an Muslump would be killed for questioning allah baba in such a way.

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             arksysposted 12 years agoin reply to this

             harsh words once again... it would be nice to keep your opinions of muslims, Allah and Muhammad aside and rather talk about the topic. Instead of trying to shun me off ... your next paragraphs could have been filled with more information for me.
             
             from your interpretation, the Bible is talking about the arrival of a Holy Ghost/Spirit? please can you explain a little further. when did the Holy spirit arrive? when did He leave?
             
             I would like to clear the fact that anyone trying to question the book of Allah would not be killed. I do question it. i'm trying to make some sense out of the little that i know right now. I do partially agree with your last statement about questioning Allah. I have been left a little isolated by asking too many questions from people of my own faith, but they are just followers who do not know the answers to the questions i ask, its natural human behaviour to push someone away when you feel threatened. i've had a number of harsh words from them too.

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    earnestshubposted 12 years ago

    Bible, quoran.... same thing.
    
    Both threaten to kill anyone and everyone in the name of a "benevolent" Psychopath.
    
    What is a lot more informative is the denial from both sides.
    
    
    When the quoran hate is quoted, muslims scream "You took that out of context!"
    
    When the bible hate is quoted the christians scream "You took that out of context"
    
    
    The reality is that they are pretty much the same!
    
    Blindness from both sides...... that which is "taken out of context" according to each of you ..... is still neurotic and full of hate for mankind in either case.
    
    The hypocrisy is breathtaking!

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       arksysposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       if there was a "like" button under your comment i would have clicked it. (not approving of the psycopath part though, there was no need for that).
       the rest of your response makes sense... point noted. talk in context.

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    arksysposted 12 years ago

    Just wanted to add what the Quran says about this topic...
    
    Chapter 2 - Al baqara
    (138) Say (unto the People of the Scripture): Dispute ye with us concerning Allah when He is our Lord and your Lord? Ours are our works and yours your works. We look to Him alone. (139) Or say ye that Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Do ye know best, or doth Allah? And who is more unjust than he who hideth a testimony which he hath received from Allah? Allah is not unaware of what ye do. (140) Those are a people who have passed away; theirs is that which they earned and yours that which ye earn. And ye will not be asked of what they used to do.

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    davidkalugeposted 12 years ago

    I can see that the debate is good. This is the 1st time I see anyone use that bible verse to claim that Jesus spoke of Muhammad coming. I think the apostles did receive the expected comforter on pentecost day. Well its all a matter of opinion and personal interpretation/understanding of the bible. People understand the bible differently so it is not surprising to hear this here. I just wish that people should learn to respect other religions just as they want others to respect theirs. Prophets will come up.

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