Do you believe the Muslim community is dangerous?

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Phoebe Pikeposted 11 years ago
I have seen many arguments about this, and I have my own beliefs on it, but I'm interested in what you think and why. So, what are your thoughts?
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  qwarkposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  ...ALL monotheistic belief is dangerous!
  
  My goodness! Review the history of man over the past 2000+ yrs.
  
  Countless millions have been murdered because of fanaticism related to the concocted fairytale of a biblical god thing!
  
  The biblical god thing set an example for all believers to follow i.e. rage, jealousy, hate, murder et al, and they have been busy emulating "its" "corrective" action!
  
  Qwark
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  brotheryochananposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  yawn
  politics, monetary gain, territory, economics, global positioning... religion warring is really at the bottom of the list.
  1.73 million abortions per year just in america has nothing to do with religion and has out numbered those killed during the inquisition (which was catholic and not orthodoxy)
  Nagasaki and hiroshima, well, you get the picture. Or do you? Actually i doubt it. Drugs OD's, poverty, social neglect has nothing to do with religion it has to do with governments.
  People into the bible do not war, koran members might and are certainly most aggressive. But jesus' corrective actions are to bless the poor, be good to your neighbor, love your enemies, love God, take care of widows, husbands love your wives.....
  I wish you would learn and grow instead of keeping yourself trapped in this narrow view you have.
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  JamShadyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Bit of a blanket statement and out-dated cliche, I think. Many millions of people have died in "non-religious" wars too. The underlying factor in all cases is humanity... we just don't get along because of differing viewpoints, or the greed for power.
  
  It's also important to realise that motive is different from the underlying rhetoric being used. When 'leaders' what to motivate people, they use rhetoric that'll work. For instance, the latest series of wars... Bush used the rhetoric of "freedom" because that's what his followers would fight for. In any religiously dominated land, people will use language from the religious text because they know people will follow it.
  
  It's not religion which is dangerous. It's people who don't understand it, or live by it (and that includes the absence of a faith too).
  
  We're in 2011 now, we should leave these tired cliches behind.
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  nightwork4posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  look at every country that the religion grows in and you will get the answer yourself. i mean literally every country which says a lot for this so-called peaceful religion.
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  Dave Mathewsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know if they are dangerous or not but I fear them. I fear anyone who would strap a bomb onto themselves and go out to blowup others for no good reason other than they disagree with their religion or their beliefs or their way of life.
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  emievilposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  No. I live in a city where almost 20% of the population are Muslims. I never had any problem with them.
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  Abhaque Supanjangposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I even want to turn this question upside down; They are the ones who regard Muslims dangerous are the dangerous ones. Many ones who see Islam as their enemies always try to spread many false facts about Islam - the religion in which Muslims in. Muslims never want to hurt anyone, but they always get hurt by their enemies. Do you see the facts in Palestine ? Do you see the facts in Afghanistan ? Can you open your eyes on the matter occured in Libya, Iraq, Bosnia... ? Can see the facts; wherever in this world - the countries whose people religion are majority Islam, all people out of Islam live in peace in the countries ? But, in the countries in which Muslims are the minority - the Islamic people are treated so badly. They are so afraid of all ritual activities done by Muslims. Why ? Since many of their likes, their habits are prohibited in Islam; just say, doing adultery, eating pork, drinking hard drink, and many more..! Open your eyes...! You have to learn Islam more before saying Islam is dangerous....! Never believe on the false stories spred out by the ones who hate Islam only on the behalf of their bad personal interest on few Muslims that they know in a grance.
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  Phoebe Pikeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  That is exactly the kind of post I wanted to see! Logical with facts to back it up. Two thumbs up!
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  Jesus was a hippyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  People are dangerous. It doesnt matter what beliefs or religions they have. If they were jewish or christian but living in the same community, they would still be dangerous.
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  brotheryochananposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  especially those soccer and hockey fans..
  sheesh
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  paarsurreyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Muslims who follow Muhammad and Quran truthfully are peaceful; and would never attack or kill anybody aggressively.
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/antagonizing.htm
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  Phoebe Pikeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Do you think you could write more than just a link?
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I have... over and over... go read any of the 100s of islam topics I have commented in.
  
  It simply gets old pointing out the facts as stated by the Qu'ran and Hadis, just to have them dismissed out of hand, as if muslims do not follow what thier god and prophet said to.
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  Phoebe Pikeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I meant, when you do post a link, would you mind writing more to it so people know what kind of link they are clicking and your thoughts more thoroughly. Okay?
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  Abdul Muqeet Khanposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  buddy give the references from Quran and hadish this is not it
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Those articles are sourced right in thier texts... go read.
  
  And your Saudi Arabia line is hysterical. What is it you think is cultural to Saudi Arabia, that is being discussed? You'll have to let me know because I have not keep up in the last 100 or so comments on here... so what is you think is cultural?
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  Jeramiposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  A small % of Muslams are dangerous.
  
  A small % of Christians are dangerous
  
  A small % of veritarians are dangerous.
  
  A small persentage of husbands are wife beaters
  
  I think that everyone on earth has the potential for being dangerous given the wrong circumstances and location.
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  thisisoliposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  No more dangerous than any other religion.
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  Freegoldmanposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  When you hear the word “terrorist,” who comes to mind? Basque separatists in white hoods? Anarchists wearing bandanas with five-pointed stars? Or perhaps some right- or left-wing outcasts building bombs in basements?
  
  My guess is that none of these characters wins top billing in the minds of most people when they think of terrorists. Why? Mainly because we don’t generally hear about these kinds of terrorists in the news, and when we do, they aren’t typically called “terrorists.” They’re just called murderers, thugs or lunatics. These days, when we read or hear the term “terrorist” in the news, it’s almost always accompanied by some reference to “Islamic extremism” or worse yet, to Islam itself.
  
  So, it must be that most terrorists are in fact Islamists, right? Not so much.
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  Phoebe Pikeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  When I think of "terrorist", the image of the terrorist is rarely what comes to mind. I think more about people in danger, trouble or the weapons used. Maybe it's just me, but these days I think politics might be the most dangerous of all things to worship.
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  Freya Cesareposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Forgive me but I need to say this, in my opinion when I heard word 'terrorist' what crossing in my mind is "USA".
  
  For Afghanistan, Iraq & Native America, USA is terrorist.
  
  Why?
  
  Did you see any foreigners in army killing your father, your mother, your wife, your brother, your sister, your son, your daughter and in the end, try to killing yourself too?
  
  Get real! Why people can be so blind?
  
  Islam or not, it is not religion which caused all that but it is simply the human.
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  deajulyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  A fifth column. Could it be dangerous? A rhetoric question. Or, shall I hint, just a teeny bit more? All of us, who have said anything against them here, are under their special attention as users, from now on, which is dangerous too, no? What has become of our Sixth Column? Many of us, who are concerned indeed, know links to it, so we are not so defenseless as we seem.
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  Phoebe Pikeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  This is an open forum, so anyone can read this, yes. But I see no danger in voicing opinions for several reasons... first of all no one gives their address or current location out and secondly, I think people who want to hurt others would overlook this kind of forum. It's a question about a religion, so it's all for discussion and open to debate.
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Cagsilposted 11 years ago
The passive ones are fine. It's the aggressive ones that are dangerous.
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  Phoebe Pikeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Like with any religion. Lolz
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  Cagsilposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  That's why I would prefer all them to just go away.
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Aren't we all!
  
  From a woman's perspective, yeah their views of women, frighten me. Do I feel they are wrong? Well that is just a matter of my opinion, but, those women in many instances chose to live the life of a Muslim. But for those women who do not have a choice, I feel for them and for myself. For if someone can become so complacent about their own life, and the life of their daughters- can I become that way too by letting the abuse go by without saying something?
  
  I'm American. I'm not accustom to seeing woman and children, especially little girls hit in public. If a grown man lays a hand on a child in a very harsh way......, yeah this American is probably going to kick his arse, or try too. I'm gonna to do something to protect my fellow sister.
  
  When I was in college, running a clothing store, I saw something like this. Yes, I acted. Yes, I had to get a new job and be walked out with security the next month. But, hey I'd do it again. Yeah- their views of women being lesser...., scares me. Sad thing is that I know the root of anger, hate, aggression, violence is fear. Question for me is, how do we bridge their ancient views of women to where they ought to be today?
  
  Christian woman, don't generally put up with being told to be very submissive. We are use to seeing women with voices, that are heard and meant to be heard. We are NOT use to seeing fear in women's eyes. When we do, we response.
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I cannot see how a woman born into Saudi Society, or many others, has any choice. And especially since women cannot interpret the Qu'ran and its doctrine as per the prophet's words. Which I think would be a great moderating force for Islam, myself. So... choice is a funny word. So...
  
  And I mean no insult with my words... but you should be aware of all I have said and its truth.
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  brotheryochananposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I think that in that society they have tried to control the thing they fear.
  The seductive powers of women are a tremendous threat to vulnerable men and thereby men try to contain that force, in those other societies.
  Loving means submitting. Of course people do not love strangers, but a wife or a husband, in love, neither rules the other, which is a stumbling block to every married couple i've seen. (outside of christianity) The woman withholds sex if she doesn't get her way or pouts or puts on something sexy, or stops talking to him, aka the silent treatment. The men just laugh as if to say that being in opposition to their mate is a ludicrous option fraught with disaster.
  
  Gen 3:16 ... and thy desire shall be to thy husband and he shall rule over you.
  The original say rule "in" you.
  Now desire has an interesting root... which means to overflow: like a stream overflowing its banks.
  and the original says 'in you' and the root says 'overflow'.
  The translation says: "rule over you", which is not necessarily the case. Not all men rule over their wives, certainly not the hen pecked ones i have been acquainted with (of those not christian). The actuality of this verse is more like:
  "and thy desire shall be to rule over thy husband" which is a very good possibility. Women do want to rule over men and they go about it many different ways.
  I know this is a stretch for some, but i wanted to share this with you.
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  Abdul Muqeet Khanposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  dude learn to differ in religion and culture what Saudi do does not necessarily means its religious most of it is cultural and for this religion is not to be blamed period
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dutchman1951posted 11 years ago
Until Muslum communities can show they are self policing..?
Yes look at them as possibly a Danger Threat. To many Mosque's have covert connections.
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  Tumbletreeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Two many churches have covert connections. The freedom of religion has largely turned into the freedom to maintain an ancient belief system that has been proven false and imperil everyone with the continuation of spreading ignorance and hatred. It's mind numbing to think US courts protect a persons right to refuse a lifesaving medical treatment, because some Jehovah Witness thinks some weird mumbo jummbo about people blood, but I can't smoke a joint legally. It's long past time to curb freedom of religion from the freedom to be completely irrational to the freedom to be just a little irrational. It's a danger to us all for people to believe the world must be destroyed before their God can come back. It's a hazard to rational diplomacy for people to believe God gave Jerusalem to the Jews. Global Warming is not a myth man made up the Bible is and the Koran and so on.
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  dutchman1951posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Freedom of religion? tell that to the FBI who has rooted out many who were active members of Mosque's so far in the US with more to be caught? The history shows real possible Dangers, while they claim Freedom of Religion. So now in the US, plotting Murder is free Religious practice?
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Greek Oneposted 11 years ago
They are ALL violent and wish us harm!!

This fact was driven home to me just the other day. I purchased a dozen samosas from a local shop run by a Muslim and his obviously radical family

I bit into one of them and it was very, very hot. It wasn’t so hot that I would burn myself and alert the authorities (they are all too smart for that), but JUST hot enough that I would be forced to buy a diet coke from them and thus further fund their terrorist activities.

Let me tell you that I refuse to be a pawn in their games! Henceforth, I will bring my own diet coke when making such purchases
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  Azreen Chanposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  No Sir,
  I don't intend to do any harm to anyone in this world.
  
  I'm Muslim and I never thought our differences offensive in any way at all. I'm surely not a terrorist and will never be.
  
  To discriminate us all based on other's fault is unfair.
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  earnestshubposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Azreen, you have missed the satire.
  
  Greek One is our resident laugh maker on forums, and has no peers.
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  recommend1posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Cross-cultural misunderstandings huh !
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  earnestshubposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yep, I reckon! My Muslim neighbour's sense of humour is nothing like mine. He is like many muslims in Australia, the longer they stay the more they get the humour and the less religious they get!
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  Zubair Ahmedposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I met a Muslim the other day - he said he had converted from Christianity because the church allowed child molesters and IRA bombers to get away with all this horrible acts.
  
  Then I asked him - how are you finding Islam? to which he responded.
  
  mate - if only I had TAKEN THE TIME TO LEARN ABOUT ISLAM before I had converted then I would not have thought that all Muslims and Islam was bad at the time, but only those who profess to follow Islam and tar it with their own misguided views that cause it so much resentment from people who do not understand it.
  
  Than he laughed and said - bit like Christianity - you can't blame the actions of individuals on the bible. - can YOU? - because if you do then it would be like blaming a University for the actions of a student, who after graduating goes onto kill a few people - therefore if blaming the University is stupid then blaming a religion for actions of individuals is also the same.
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  earnestshubposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Nice, but when both religions have such hate filled tomes, I think it is fair to have a go at both of the religion' beliefs.
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  Zubair Ahmedposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Earnestshub,
  
  I don't think we need to have a go at the religions, besides you seem like an intelligent person, therefore you know as well as I do that that any 'principle' or 'method' cannot be blamed for the mistakes of those who adopt that very method but carry it out wrongly.
  
  e.g. If I adopt a diet plan which say's - I need to refrain from eating chocolates and suger foods for 1 month - resulting in me losing X-amount in body fat. But instead of following this plan I continue eating chocolate etc, at the end of the month instead of losing weight I gain weight - can I then blame the diet plan?.
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  recommend1posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Of course you can blame a University for actions of its students - if the Uni is teaching violence and greed then how can you blame some students for being violent and greedy ?
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  Quilligrapherposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Hmmm. May I disagree? I recall hearing arguments very similar to this during the Nuremberg trials after WW2. I think this excuse is called “Not Wanting to Take Responsibility for Your Own Actions.”
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Read the Qu'ran... yes you can. And the Sunnah and Hadith reinforce the barbarity of the Qu'ran an allah. Those so called radicals that make up 90% of Islam... are the true Muslims and are following true Islam.
  
  What E? they, thiose Muslims in Aussie, are not gang raping women who do not cover up anymore?
  
  And iI have stated over and over, there is always a small percentage of people in a population which are adverse to violence no matter what.
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  brotheryochananposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  the problem is though, that there are extremists which may make up, just for a figure 10% of the 100%. The other 90% are in sympathies with the extremists because that is what islam teaches.
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  nightwork4posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  it has nothing to do with the individual. it has everything to do with the collective. a comic of the prophet mohammed caused bombings, attempted murder and riots. this is just because of a comic. that's scary.
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DIYweddingplannerposted 11 years ago
Within any group, it seems there are always a few misguided individuals who are the loud and outspoken minority. Are they dangerous...in a word, yes. But the Muslims don't have the market cornered on that one. There are dangerous Christians...and plenty of them.
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  dutchman1951posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with you. Like that Nut trying Koran Burning, or those protesting Marine funerals, etc.... But are they a direct threat to human life like a Bombing or downing an airliner?
  
  there is difference between radical speech and murder, they are "NOT" the same.
  
  I answerd yes to this because they are Dangerious, also if the question had been; Do you believe all Religions and thier followers dangerious...
  
  my answer would still be YES. History proves it so!
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Burning a qu'ran is his Right to do, and that does not compare in the least to bombing a synogogue full of Jews, or a bus full of innocents. And try to compare and equate them is absurd..
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  Baileybearposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  you're not familiar with IRA bombings by christian extremists? Murder of abortionist doctors?
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  brotheryochananposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  you mean the Irish Republican Army
  what ties have they with Christian extremists?
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  Baileybearposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  catholic vs protestant bombings, bloodshed in Ireland
  
  http://www.ptm.org/ireland.htm
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  brotheryochananposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I thought there was more of this:
  "Peacemaking is not easy when hatred and animosity is part of your culture, language and national identity." than religion.
  
  I didn't think this article was that condemning, except for the writers personal opinions.
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BASEM DIABposted 11 years ago
NO NO NO YOU ARE CRAZY
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  Cagsilposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Says you.
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DIYweddingplannerposted 11 years ago
I could be one of the dangerous ones... you just never know...
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  Jeramiposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Everyone is suspect of doing harm to someone.
  
  And yet when we trust no one we harm ourselves most.
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Home Girlposted 11 years ago
I think they are dangerous mostly to themselves as they are trying to get into 21st century sitting on a donkey backwards.
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TMMasonposted 11 years ago
Yes they are and ignoring that fact is even more dangerous than they are.
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Emile Rposted 11 years ago
I suppose that would depend on where you live, and what gender you were. In America, no they aren't anymore dangerous than any other religious sect that has a radical element. If you doubt, just phone a doctor who performs abortions and ask him which religion he's more scared of. The radicals in all religions are dangerous. Muslims don't have the monopoly on terror tactics.
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TMMasonposted 11 years ago
Muslim populations in host countries have for centuries played the good guy role, right up until the have enough men and arms and their brethren waiting at the border to walk in and attack. It has been the Mo for centuries and has worked brilliantly, as it is here. Even now islamic imams and scholoars are calling for American muslims to get guns and attack now. There will come a day real soon when Islam in America will show its true face. And God help us when it does, And to compare the violence of islam to a couple lone Christian fanatics in this nation is laughable.
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  Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I find nothing laughable about the violence religion is willing to mete out, in the name of its gods.
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Good as long as your eyes are open to Islam then you watch all the Christians you want also, and any other religion. As long as your paying attention to islamalso.
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DIYweddingplannerposted 11 years ago
Not exactly worth laughing over...

http://articles.exchristian.net/2002/10 … led-by.php
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  We are in the 21st century here you now. And to compare Christians today to Muslims and Islam is laughable, as I said. We all know about the inquisitions and other slaughters. But this is not that time in history and Christianity is not like that anymore. And to say it is, is absurd.
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  Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I hate to burst your bubble, but you might do well to check out what Christianity has done in third world countries. They aren't all as civilized as you'd like to believe.
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I have.
  
  And though I do not agree with much of their policies ie; Uganda and gays being jailed for life or stoned, which is what happens to gays in Islam, death. There are alot of suppossed Christians, like the lords army which is more Voodoo that Christianity, which are not Christian. As for places like Uganda, if they want to outlaw homosexuality it is there bussiness. though I think banishment is better than prison or death. It is their country and they do not want their children polluted by the immorality of the Secular pragressive world.
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  Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Oh my gosh. I cannot believe you posted that. Outlawing homosexuality is acceptable? You think banishment of gays is better than prison or death.
  
  Now see, I was thinking you were a conservative. But, you must be joking. Not my type of humor, but at least I know you can't be serious.
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  brotheryochananposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  The God of the bible is not interested in killing people over homosexuality, He wants them to lean on His power to turn from their ways. Actions against the natural order offend God, as His ways are perfectly thought out. The OT was for that time and the NT is for this time.
  The only connection that the OT law for homosexuals can be applied today is that 'the spiritual life of the gay person, will die, because they live in rebellion to Gods ways'. They will not prosper, spiritually; and if they do not turn from their way, they will die spiritually. They may have lots of stuff and live long lives, in gaydom, but as a disciple of God their attempts to please God will not succeed.
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly. And they all miss the point of the two texts being for different ages of man.
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  earnestshubposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Well do either of you have the NT text that points out that it is as homophobic as the OT?
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Christ said do not judge, let all men make their own choices, they will have to stand on that choice in the end. It is a simple thing to understand. You can act and live as you want, but we as society have no right to embrace that immorallity and teach our children to act in such a way. And niether does the Govt or the Leftists and Progressives.
  
  There is a big difference between tolerance, and acceptance.
  
  And I already posted them in here somewhere... I think it was this thread.
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  earnestshubposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  The problem is who decides it's immoral and on what grounds?
  Don't give me the big daddy goddunit answer if you don't mind.
  I have to assume that is your judgement.
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Go read the story of Sodom... Genisis 19
  
  Leviticus 18:22 is translated: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
  
  Leviticus 20:13: "And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of them have committed abomination:
  
  1 Kings.... "There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel."
  
  Romans 1:26-27: "For this cause God gave them up unto vile aflictions: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence [sic] of their error which was meet."
  
  I Corinthians 6:9: "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
  
  1 Timothy 1:9-10: "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine."
  
  Matthew 5:22: "...anyone who says to his brother 'Raca' is answerable to the Sanhedrin [the Council]. But anyone who says 'You fool' will be in danger of the hell fire" (NIV)
  
  As to mathew 5:22, it is often stated that Jesus never commented about homosexuality. A case can be made that he refers to gays in this verse. On the surface, the verse seems to condemn individuals who treat others with contempt and call them names. Hatred of others is considered here as serious to God as an overt act of murder. 'Raca' is defined in the NIV as an Aramaic term of contempt. It has been translated literally as "I spit on you." But "raca," "rakha" and similar terms in various Semitic languages also carry the meaning of effeminacy or weakness - terms frequently used to refer to homosexuals. The word 'Moros' which is translated as "fool" has a number of meanings, including both sexual aggressor and homosexual aggressor.
  
  Genisis and Matthew 19:4-5: "...at the beginning, the Creator 'made them male and female' and said 'For this reason man will leave his father and mother, and be united with his wife; and the two will become one flesh.'" (NIV)
  
  Next time you should pick up your Bible and read them for yourself, friend. They are there. Homosexuality is an abomination in the eyes of god and abberant act in Nature. That does not mean they cannot be forgiven and choose to act in a right manner, instead of CHOOSING to act in an abominable manner.
  
  There you go, posted by me 7 days ago in reply to the same question, E.
  
  If it is unnatural and immoral it is unacceptable, but I will tolerate it, as long as it is not pushed onto children as normal acceptable behaviour by schools nad homosexual activists.
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  brotheryochananposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  accurate and nice post.
  As much as mankind would like to redefine and water down the preferences of God, we need to realize that Gods principles exist because God wants the best for humanity. Homosexuality may seem like a good and free option but it is not without dire consequence on areas of social, health and population.
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  dutchman1951posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  DIY, if you care to look up and post some facts about Islam also, the Catholic Church and Islam are neck and neck in numbers. and "both" are no laughing matter.
  
  I answerd as I did because History proves it violent, current arrests, acts and anchient History.
  
  again like I said above; if the question was Do you think all religions and their followers are dagerious, I would say ...Yes, again and again.
  
  historical facts current and past prove it so.
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  DIYweddingplannerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Not disagreeing with you, although the original post was about Muslims. I think more craziness has taken place in the name of religion than anything else. Not that I'm knocking any particular religion, but you will find extremists and zealots in any religion. And unfortunately, that's not going away.
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Jeramiposted 11 years ago
OP
Do you believe the Muslim community is dangerous?

Absolutely so ...... Every comunity IS, a little or a lot.

Everyone knows a section of town we don't want to walk in at night.. And with everyone pointing at a piece of ground? that covers about every where. "Tha whole world"

We just focus on, over there; to make ourselves feel better, ....... over here.

Now everyone should feel better ?
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ChristianReccaposted 11 years ago
In a word, NO!

No community in and of itself is more dangerous than any other. There are violent individuals in every community, but the majority of people in every community are peaceful. Most Muslims want to live a peaceful life; I interact with Muslim-Americans all the time (I'm a white male and I work at a community college in highly multicultural Paterson, NJ) and they are just as funny, joyful, quirky, and unique as people of any other ethnicity.

Christians have been guilty of massive violence in the past, and they have used Christianity to justify their views, just as the radical elements of Islam have done.

Exhibit A: the Crusades. When the the tables were turned and Muslims held the holy land, medieval pope after medieval pope exhorted Christians to fight to get it back.

Exhibit B: Manifest Destiny. When the US was a young country, president after president told Americans that God wanted them to civilize the savage Indians and that the US was a special country destined to control an entire continent, no matter how much bloodshed was left in its wake. The result: a nearly complete genocide of an entire race of people!

Exhibit C: The Age of Empire in General: In Africa, in South America, in Australia, in Asia--in short, in every desirable and available location in the world, the Christian nations of Europe did the same thing that America did. Who knows how many were killed and raped and sold into slavery? Who knows how much treasure was stolen, directly or indirectly? In South Africa, apartheid lasted until the 1980s. Whole regions have never recovered from years of colonial oppression. Again, the idea was that we were saving the savages in the name of the Christian god.

Therefore, Islam is not a violent religion, any more than Christianity is. Don't listen to the fear-mongering. Instead, get to know a Muslim-American and become part of the solution.
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  Quilligrapherposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  @ChristianRecca
  I quoted your entire post because I believe it is worthy of duplication. Your positive outlook, along with other similar comments, creates a refreshing oasis of reason and tolerance in a hostile, torrid thread wallowing in irrational hyperbole and bigotry. Thank you for posting. You give me hope for the future of America.
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ChristianReccaposted 11 years ago
In response to Tumbletree's post: you are right that religion in and of itself is a dangerous force, but it is also a force for good. It is a necessary part of many people's lives; religion is sometimes the last source of hope that one has. We need a free society that neither controls our thoughts nor our behaviors.
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ChristianReccaposted 11 years ago
In response to TMMason: your thoughts are truly alarming. I do not doubt your belief, but if you think that Muslims born and raised in America are going to line up behind clerics because that's the way the Ottoman empire behaved, I have to say that is irrational. I wonder if perhaps you have been influenced by certain ideologues. You may be a victim of a culture of fear, but you should really be careful what you say, because you are contributing to it.
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You didn't hear me say they will because that is the way the ottomans acted. they will because islam has as a prime doctrine the Jihad. it is obligatory to all true Muslimms. That is just a fact. Having read the Quran and hadith and studied usul Al'fiqh i know that it is oblkigatory jusyt as surely as all Muslims do. It is you and your ilk that do not know it. and there is where the most danger lies. Are there a percentage of Muslims who are adverse to violence, sure, there is always a small amount of populations who are adverse to violence no matter what. but by and large Muslims are obliged and willing to take up jihad to propagate islam and comtinue its spread into the Dar Al'harb.
  
  It is a simple religious concept that most in todays world cannot understand and do not see the seriousness of. I suggest you read some of the islamic Scholars before you so casually dismiss Islams hatred and desire to rule the world for allah.
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ChristianReccaposted 11 years ago
And it is NOT absurd to compare the crusades to contemporary radical lslam. Governments act in a predatory fashion when they are in a subordinate position. If there were still parts of the US to colonize, we would be doing that still! Oh wait, did I forget WE ARE DOING THAT STILL IN IRAQ. If WW1 and the anti-colonial revolutions had not arisen, Europe would be in control of Africa et al. We have more power now, that is why white supremacists have less of a presence than al Qaeda. If our country declines, we will see our own al Qaeda rise to power. It's all about who has the power and who wants it, not which God you say you serve.
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Well that you would state we are colonizing iraq simply shows me you do not understand much. We are "colonizing Iraq... what ajoke that is. Oh someone is a Muslim... here to practice tiquiyya and mislead the Christians and Leftists are we.
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  And I believe you mean the WWI massacres of the Armenians and jews and Christians? yes I believe that is what your talking about. Also WWII and your islamic bosnian and Palistinian SS units working with NAZIs to cook the Jews. yes that too would be great in the Islamic mind. And that is why Israel is where it is... because Islam was the silent partner in two world wars with germans. Ah history.
  
  So tell me.., are you a Muslim?
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earnestshubposted 11 years ago
I'm waiting for the muslim extremist to come here and justify the "death to Americans" slogan. The great satan is identified as far as they are concerned and they have the quoran to thank for that.

The same with the bible.

Both parties insist that they are peaceful, both tomes are full of psychotic hate.
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  upal19posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  No, no, both are not. There are some extremists responsible for this. Not bible, Not quran tell people to be extremists.
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  earnestshubposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  So you haven't read either of them?
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  upal19posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I've read them Of course. Do you have? Please tell me which and which verses are sparking extremism.
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  earnestshubposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Trust me, you don't want to see a post that long!
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  brotheryochananposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I believe the death to americans slogan comes from the ARMY the AMERICAN ARMY and AMERICAN POLITICS being imputed into that countries affairs. I do not think they are saying death to american (christians)
  Also the AMERICAN way of life is greatly influencing these people and that may be a change that many are not willing to undergo.
  AS usual you blame religion where other factors instigate.
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  But that simply ignores the other 1300 yeasr of Islamic history of slaughter aginst the west, Christians, Jews and all other non-believers Brother.
  
  I am not saying our foriegn policy is not to blame for some feelings, and the hardening of others, but on the whole Islam would be atacking us regardless.
  
  So...
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  brotheryochananposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  agreed.
  I just wanted to add
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Stump Parrishposted 11 years ago
Be it the twin towers or an abortion clinic, a terrorist is still a terrorist, only their god changes.

Muslim fanatics attack the twin towers and kill a couple of thousand innocent Americans and America is outraged. America kills hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis and Americans not only ignore this fact, they are upset at the outrage against America.
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  earnestshubposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  With ya SP.
  
  When I saw Iraq being bombed I thought as most sane people would, that the families living in that city are being slaughtered.
  
  How would I feel if it was my beautiful ancient city that was being reduced to rubble.
  Then the insult to injury bit of the jerry built re construction by American companies that looted all the money from the rebuilding as Halliburton did.
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Stump Parrishposted 11 years ago
Earnest, it's not just the attacks I was refering to. Bush senior purposely attacked water purification plants and then restricted to importation of chlorine that would have provided the country with safe drinking water. That was the intentional murder of hundreds of thousands of people might have upset one or two of the survivors, escapes most Americans. They fail to realize that if the situation was reversed, they would be retaliating in any way possible. Then again they have this right andthe rest of the world has the right to die for our countries benefit. They also ignore the fact that American Armed Forces sat by and watched the rape of Iraqi museums and religious sites. Thousands of years of human history was left for the taking wile our government protected to oil ministry.

In regards to Cheney ripping off this country, how many Americans raised cane about the intentional theft of pallets of hundred dollar bills.
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  earnestshubposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Sp I never heard about the water supply, and if that is provable it would surely be a crime against humanity of terrible proportion.
  
  I saw no reason to destroy Iraq.
  If it was my city I would be angry too.
  I did see the looting as you said and was horrified.
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  Stump Parrishposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  earnest, I am having problems with my IP letting me link to the numerous links provided when I google, Iraq, water purification and genocide. Bin Laden listed these prblems as one of his three reasons for attacking America. Perhaps you will have better luck getting access to the info than I've been having.
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  earnestshubposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you. I have a feeling it will arrive here from others, but if it doesn't I will do some work. Flat out online checking my daughters work at this time.
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  earnestshubposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Is this anything like what you were mentioning?
  http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf … le2108.htm
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Azreen Chanposted 11 years ago
The only thing that stop me from traveling to America is because of the Muslim hatred by American. It's too obvious.
I'm not sure what kind of harm I can do to the whole country but wearing a scarf shows a great significance of different belief. And suddenly it is pointing to terrorism.
How can a big developed country think so painfully small?
The discrimination is just too much.

I'm not dangerous, my community is not dangerous.
Only some crazy peoples are.
Terrorist is not only from Muslim people.
I'm sure.
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  Stump Parrishposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Azreen, The country may be large but too many of the minds in it are tiny and useless. I am sure there are other countries that fit that description but I have to wonder if they take as much pride in it as Americans do.
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yankeeintexasposted 11 years ago
Tough question to answer! Do I think the majority of Muslims in this country are dangerous; No! But, their groups in this country that we need to watch. I have heard that if you are a none Muslim living in a Muslim neighborhood that you will be harassed.
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  Stump Parrishposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  yankee, I understand that as I am an atheist in the bible belt and have recieved threatening phone calls from christians around here for expressing my views in our local papers. The harrassment you mentioned isn't confined to the muslims. There sure are lots of folks them christians gotta keep their eyes on. Abortion doctors who preform legal medicalproceedures also come to mind. Them dangerous homosexuals are frequently harrassed by christians everywhere. It seems like most religions have a need to harrass those who differ and why the christians feel they are entitled to do so escapes me.
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  Baileybearposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  certainly sounds like there are plenty of nutters in the bible belt that wouldn't hesitate getting their shot-gun out
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  brotheryochananposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  interesting. Why do christians persecute others who do not live up to their standards. The first thing that comes to mind that is not what jesus teaches and so from that one aspect i have to conclude that these christians who persecute others do not have a solid connection to God. From there i would hazard to say they live in the realm of the flesh more than the spirit.
  It is human (unsaved) nature to point fingers, blame others and get angry even violent when something they do not agree with gets in their face. It is of the fleshly environment that an attitude may occur where 'because they have gone without or sacrificed for their cause, and others haven't, those christians feel angry because they have denied much while others deny little. Its a point of jealousy, i think but again this is not the teaching of Christ to be either way but loving.
  Its a shame but the saying is true, a little evil destroys much good.
  also; sincere but sincerely wrong comes to mind.
  In a situation like this you won't hear from the ones who are not protesting, only from the ones who are. Like in the burning of the koran book, we heard about the ones who wanted to burn but nothing from the ones who were against it. Thank the press
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Paul Wingertposted 11 years ago
The Muslim Community is not dangerous. The group who is dangerous is the bigots and idiots who think that the Muslim Community is dangerous.
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  earnestshubposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  My home town has quite a few muslims, but they don't behave any differently to anyone else.
  
  Extremists of any religion are another matter altogether.
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  Paul Wingertposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I agree, it's the extremists (no matter what religion they claim to be) are the problem. I too have been around and knew several Muslims and they are no different from anyone else.
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  earnestshubposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I also believe that the basis for the beliefs of extremist can be fairly said to be planted within their religious books.
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  brotheryochananposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  or their education system or their political system.
  The tunnel of your vision is very narrow.
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  brotheryochananposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  or their caste system
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  recommend1posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I agree completely
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TMMasonposted 11 years ago
You all keep agreeing... Europe is quickly becoming Islamicized.. Adn we are next.

A random survey of 100 representative mosques in the U.S. was conducted to measure the correlation between Sharia adherence and dogma calling for violence against non-believers. Of the 100 mosques surveyed, 51% had texts on site rated as severely advocating violence; 30% had texts rated as moderately advocating violence; and 19% had no violent texts at all. Mosques that presented as Sharia adherent were more likely to feature violence-positive texts on site than were their non-Sharia-adherent counterparts. In 84.5% of the mosques, the imam recommended studying violence-positive texts. The leadership at Sharia-adherent mosques was more likely to recommend that a worshipper study violence-positive texts than leadership at non-Sharia-adherent mosques. Fifty-eight percent of the mosques invited guest imams known to promote violent jihad. The leadership of mosques that featured violence-positive literature was more likely to invite guest imams who were known to promote violent jihad than was the leadership of mosques that did not feature violence-positive literature on mosque premises.

http://bigpeace.com/elcid/2011/06/13/fr … n-mosques/
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  Greek Oneposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  One can argue (as many on here have), that churches and synagogs teaching the Old Testament are promoting violent texts. Are Christian communities therefore dangerous?
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Oh please... not even close. yes one could argue it... and one would be wrong.
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  Greek Oneposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  exactly.. they would be wrong.. just like you are
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You cold stick your head in the sand and say that, yes... and you would be wrong... but anyways.
  
  How have you been greek? Good I hope.
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  Greek Oneposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  i'm ok... but it is summer time and the F@#R%@% backyard needs cutting every 5 seconds.
  
  how are you?
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I have been good greek. Yes summer... and it is damn hot here in FL., and the lawn... urghh!
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  Greek Oneposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  it wouldnt be so bad if my boss (wife) didnt make me do it
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  hahaa
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  And the only churches I know of preaching the over-throw of America are Obama's, and the Westborough Baptists... speaks volumes eh?
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  Garrett Mickleyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  78% of all statistics are found out to be made up on the spot.
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  lollllllllllllllll hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa lollllllllll ROTFLMAO
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  Garrett Mickleyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
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  Quilligrapherposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I did not see any comments about Europe quickly becoming “Islamicized” nor did I see anyone agreeing this is so.
  
  This paragraph was lifted from a post written by someone called EL Cid on BigPeace.com. It refers to an interview that discusses a study entitled “Shari’a and Violence in American Mosques.” The article was written by Mordechai Kedar and David Yerushalmi and published in Middle East Quarterly, a dedicated website of the Middle East Forum. According to its mission statement, the Middle East Forum “combats lawful Islamism” in the USA.
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Garrett Mickleyposted 11 years ago
As dangerous as the Christian and Atheist communities.
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yes those damn Christians are constantly blowing people up and beheading those they do not agree with them... and lets not forget that wonderful tradition of stoning.
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TMMasonposted 11 years ago
Ah the religion of peace and love... no danger here... nothing to see just move along.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/sex-sla … eed-apply/
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  Garrett Mickleyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  This reminds me of the time I saw something in the news about a priest molesting his alter boys. I think it was last week. And the week before that. And the week before that. All different priests. It's like that whole religion is molesting young men.
  
  Not defending the link you posted. Just pointing out: they're all messed up!
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  The difference being the Bible does not condone and state plainly that molesting boys is alright in God's eyes.
  
  The Quran and hadith endorse and permit this behaviour.
  
  See the difference... probrably not.
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  Garrett Mickleyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yes i fully see the difference and I agree with you. I'm sure Jesus loves it when you say insulting things to others (such as: "see the difference...probably not"). Doesn't the bible teach to HELP the misguided? If I'm to be insulted just for not understanding then I have no desire to be apart of such a mean and disrespectful group of people.
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  earnestshubposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Even worse than these.
  
  http://www.dangerousminds.net/comments/ … alifornia/
  
  http://www.apologeticsindex.org/h21.html
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  So a peaceful protest is worse that slavery for sex... is that what you mean? What warped statement that is earnest. And the homo-nazi agenda has got to be removed from our schools.
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  earnestshubposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I said yours won TM, would you like me to find some others? .....or should I just quote from the OT to make my point as to the source of the original hate?
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I took that as the protest was worse E... sorry. And I'll explain it again...Christians live by the New testament, the words of Christ.
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  earnestshubposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  So what do you do with the OT? Rip it out?
  
  Easiest way to do a disconnect between the psychosis in the OT and the neurosis in the NT I guess.
  
  It's a father and son team mate, you can't just pick the bits you like ya know!
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  No Earnest. I have explained this over and over also. it is a history of the birth and growth of our religion, it is a historic account of the promise of god to those who follow his ways, and a record of the promise of Christs coming and the way to indentify Him
  
  Rather simple and I know you can understand it, E.
  
  But you will ask me agian in about a week.
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  earnestshubposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I have never been satisfied with your answer. My memory is very good as you will see if you go back two years in my posts.
  
  It is an account of itself. The source of your belief is quite simply psychotic.
  
  That would be obvious to any who read all the insecure, threatening childish nonsense.
  
  This history wants you to believe that this god you believe in claims this psychosis for itself.
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Well that is your right to believe such. And it is mine to believe as I want. It is what makes the world so interesting. And yes I know you have an excellent mind... that is why I know you understand what I am saying. Even if you do not like, or are not satisfied with my answer. I gotta run to town now... that is an hour or more journey, so have a good evening and I'll chat with ya later.
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  earnestshubposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Fair enough. If we can see clearly where we stand we can continue to discuss it.
  
  History is one thing TM, psychosis is another. As I said the god entity claims these killings and threats in the bible are done by him, and I claim it is psychotic.
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  brotheryochananposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yes earnest we know all about your belief on this hate and psychosis obsession you have. You will only see the hate filled tome because you are brainwashed. You can only see that aspect; whereas the Christians all see a different aspect, we see the love of God and God plainly states that he is love in JOHN 3:16.
  The narrow point of view you have is fueled by your feelings toward a God that failed you and now you have to get those feelings out, you need to vent because that justifies you, but it also hardens your heart and won't allow you to accept that God loves. The system you were in failed you and God is still nearby. We are all what we feed on. If i eat crappy food my health will deteriorate. If i constantly am reminded about the hate of the bible that is all i will be able to know. Its a brainwashing or indoctrination that you do to yourself and other haters will of course jump on the bandwagon because that justifies them, but this mantra of hate is self convincing - albeit far from the truth that the bible conveys.
  The psychosis is not in the bible or of God, but somewhere else. And i think that your posts confirm my statement.
  Just sayin.
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  Baileybearposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  if you took all the hateful, violent, sexually explicit stuff out of the bible, you'd only be left with a thin pamphlet
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  brotheryochananposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  hahaha. I found that amusingly funny. I rather think though, that the NT would be thicker than the OT.
  
  Heres a kicker for ya.
  LAW - the dispensation of the OT.
  We have laws today. We go to a court, each side is heard and sentence is pronounced. Immediately. Never do we go to a court and the sentence is pronounced 6 months down the road. Speeding tickets are given on the spot. People are arrested and held after being suspect to be in breech of some law.
  This is the nature of law.
  Gods people were under law. As we see the law they were under had immediate consequences. If no law were made there would be no transgression, hence no punishment. With law there is always a punishment. So the law was pronounced, transgression occured and sentence was executed immediately. Its a tough situation to be subject to.
  But we sit in our peaceful cities, with leisure time, a good income and able to go to the store uninterrupted and buy stuff to fill our fridge, put gas in our car, attire ourselves.
  This was not so 4,000 yrs ago. Man was rather primitive and some more than others. Peaceful cities had walls around them for fear of invaders. Invaders were often cruel and totalitarian in their siege efforts. People, back then, did not just hop on the camel and go for a camping weekend far from home. Travel was very dangerous. If you weren't of a neighboring tribe you were in trouble. If you crossed an invisible border and were caught, you were prisoners or killed and plundered. When a nation went to war there was no forewarning and you were lucky if the watchmen whom were set for this very purpose of noticing invading armies, had enough time to warn your king and dispense the army to protect. Life was pretty much survival mode and there was much that would take your life.
  Id like to address your hateful notation. I hope this does not get to lengthy. The hebrews were in bondage under slavery to Egypt. God said to moses, lets get them out of there and out from under this slavery. Eventually they did get out. God proved that He was better than all Egypts gods and in due process, decimated Egypt. God had chosen a small number of people "Deuteronomy 7:7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: " ( I do not endorse 2 milion crossing the red sea) God said they shall inherit canaan a land that flows with milk and honey. So from egypt they went to canaan. The spies said we cannot take this land the people are too great for us, God turned them around and 40 yrs later they went back to that same spot, sent spies in and the report came back positive.. long story short.. All the land that God would have taken them too was already taken, no matter where they went they would have found war. Even in the desert the amorites picked off their stragglers and weak who were at the back of the line. When the Hebrews got to canaan the king of amorites and the king of bashan came out to war against them first. Consequently, the Hebrews won the battle and obtained canaan, just what God promised them. While camped in canaan, the neighboring nation of the midianites, sent all their pretty women to entice the Hebrews and turn them from their worship of God. A trick that balaam contrived and which worked. When God disciplined His people and got them under reigns again, he disliked what the midianites did and came to the conclusion that the Hebrews needed some space from this sort of activity and they went to war against the midianites, OTHERWISE.. long story short LOL... they were content to stay in canaan. My point is.. the hatred you perceive is not exactly correct, It is protection for His people that put God on the offensive due to what i stated previously about barbaric times and because Gods small untrained army was being picked on, bullied and taken advantage of because of their small numbers. The wars in Joshua, the battle of 5 kings happened because the 5 kings discovered the Gibeonites were in league with the Hebrews and the 5 kings decided to wipe out the Gibeonites because of this allegiance they had with the Hebrews, so the Hebrews went to protect the Gibeonites and because they were effective against those 5 kings another group or groups got together and decided to act now, while the Hebrews may be tired or weakened and in retaliation to the smoting of the 5 kings.
  Most of what God did was to instruct His people how to live a prosperous life, with his laws and He protected them from nations that thought them easy prey or were just mean in nature.
  The sexually explicit stuff is of no consequence, as i am sure most of us are of an age whereby we have the t-shirts. These things happen and the bible uses a language that instead saying he F*cked her lights out.. the bible says "knew her". If a man lay with a woman... instead of .. well you get the points. It could be much worse. But another thing to point ones finger at and yell foul in your arsenhole. hehe. Yes i spelt that correct arsenal.
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Oh and I do not pick the bits I like. I follow the commandments of Christ and that covers all the commandments of god in just the two. No picking here.
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  Garrett Mickleyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Is homosexuality a sin?
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, it is an aboination and a sin, and it is an aborrant behaviour in Nature, also.
  
  Any other questions?
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  Garrett Mickleyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Can you please point me to the location (or locations if there are more than one) in the Bible that say that?
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Go read the story of Sodom... Genisis 19
  
  Leviticus 18:22 is translated: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
  
  Leviticus 20:13: "And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of them have committed abomination:
  
  1 Kings.... "There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel."
  
  Romans 1:26-27: "For this cause God gave them up unto vile aflictions: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence [sic] of their error which was meet."
  
  I Corinthians 6:9: "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
  
  1 Timothy 1:9-10: "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine."
  
  Matthew 5:22: "...anyone who says to his brother 'Raca' is answerable to the Sanhedrin [the Council]. But anyone who says 'You fool' will be in danger of the hell fire" (NIV)
  
  As to mathew 5:22, it is often stated that Jesus never commented about homosexuality. A case can be made that he refers to gays in this verse. On the surface, the verse seems to condemn individuals who treat others with contempt and call them names. Hatred of others is considered here as serious to God as an overt act of murder. 'Raca' is defined in the NIV as an Aramaic term of contempt. It has been translated literally as "I spit on you." But "raca," "rakha" and similar terms in various Semitic languages also carry the meaning of effeminacy or weakness - terms frequently used to refer to homosexuals. The word 'Moros' which is translated as "fool" has a number of meanings, including both sexual aggressor and homosexual aggressor.
  
  Genisis and Matthew 19:4-5: "...at the beginning, the Creator 'made them male and female' and said 'For this reason man will leave his father and mother, and be united with his wife; and the two will become one flesh.'" (NIV)
  
  Next time you should pick up your Bible and read them for yourself, friend. They are there. Homosexuality is an abomination in the eyes of god and abberant act in Nature. That does not mean they cannot be forgiven and choose to act in a right manner, instead of CHOOSING to act in an abominable manner.
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  Garrett Mickleyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I read my bible but everyone on this forum told me that my version was wrong, but it was the version my church gave me when I was very young.
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You go to the hebrew editions of the Torah in English, and they will be alot more accurate for the OT. And there are still Aramaic translated to English versions of the NT out there also. The Lebanese Christians to this day use them. Of course since Islam dominated Lebanon they, the Leb Chistians, are a dying breed.
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Man I got to crash for a while, just took all my meds and loop me out for a few hours. If you want to chat later thats cool. I have enjoyed our conversation today, Garret. Thank you for bieng polite and curteous and have a good nite.
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  earnestshubposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Can you provide support for that?
  
  I have homosexual family and friends as we all have I guess.
  
  I haven't noticed any abominable behaviour apart from one puchase.
  
  A shirt I thought was a terrible colour and probably a sin against mankind.
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  brotheryochananposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  There is good in everyone but it is the good of humanity and not the good of Godliness. Everybody has rules that they abide by - is God not allowed to have His rules? Must His rules be watered down to agree with all mankind?
  After all, its His eternal life we share. How do we know what standards are necessary? Well, christians know and the rest just balk.
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  earnestshubposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I'd like one of those christians to stand up and defend those homophobic statements, or have the decency to refute them.
  
  Your god can rule over you if you like, he doesn't rule over me.
  
  Denying that the bible is psychotic doesn't change the words in it.
  As someone said above, take the psychotic hate out and you would be left with a pamphlet.
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  brotheryochananposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  They've already been stood up for. Homosexuality has been called exactly what God calls it - SIN, abomination and aberrant usage of nature.
  
  Love the sinner, hate the sin. Ring a bell?
  
  Once again you do not quote correctly.. take the hate out.. NOT take the psychotic hate out.... you do love to embellish and if you scroll back i have a lovely response to baileys post.
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  Baileybearposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  'love the sinner, hate the sin,' yep heard that plenty of times - what a terrible cliche
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  brotheryochananposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  but accurate.
  what is the sin exactly?
  hard to do.
  sometimes yes.
  But people in lower classes of society, steal to survive. If its somebody elses' stuff, its easily forgiveable; but if its yours.
  God says "give them two jackets" part of the reason for this is, while on the way to your place or a store, you get to witness to them
  God is clever
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I must say I tend to agree with most all the named... but I see no Leftist groups there, and some them hate as well as any other, E.
  
  And when one reads the Qu'ran they see that most of what ole momo states about the Jewish faith and Christian faith, is nothing more than a confabulation of what he thought he knew. He gets alot of it plain wrong in his use of the Patriarchs, charactors and situations in the bible.
  
  Would you like some examples? He didn't know what he thought he knew and it is obvious.
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  earnestshubposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I could give some examples myself, but all the quoran is the bible is also, peas in a pod, same excuses and reasons it is peaceful as the supporters of the other tome.
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Well like you said E... we can agree to peacably dis-agree.
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  earnestshubposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  A good solution. Of course this will come around again in some way, but that is what debating in a forum is for I guess.
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yes it is, friend.
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  earnestshubposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yes friend.
  
  It may be one of those rough friendships, but I can live with that.
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  brotheryochananposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  It wouldn't come up if you would get a grip
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  earnestshubposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I can only guess what you have a grip of.
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  brotheryochananposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  and you would be wrong - again.
  
  and since we are on the topic about wrong.
  At some point in your life you were wrong. You were either wrong earlier when you claim you were ever christian or you are wrong now, claiming that you are not christian. You cannot be either wrong both times or correct both times.
  Interesting huh.
  It seems to me, that posting as you do, is restrictive, as, in order to keep your grip, you must firmly convince yourself that the 'truth' you now hold in higher esteem than God, must be maintained. This explains your denial and avoidance to even so much as say, 'hmmm, that makes sense' or 'okay this is not a contradiction after all' - any acceptance at all of anything to do with a positive slant on christianity must be refuted by you, with all your heart. Therefore do you post, posts that have been discussed before - as though they never were discussed before and your terribly narrow view of a, whats the dramatic word you use - psychotic god. Your questioning of everything from the crucifixion of jesus to salvation and out of context posts does not reflect upon a person well studied or versed, understanding or knowledged in the things of God. You have claimed to be catholic, born again and now a founding member.
  speaking of grip, where is yours again?
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TMMasonposted 11 years ago
Where are all the femi-nazis and leftist apologists to defend islam?
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Druid Dudeposted 11 years ago
Not the entire New T is the words of Jesus, and all of it was written after the fact, and many christians are decidedly un-christian. I see so many mistaken assumptions put forth here. Many people here are fairly ignorant of historical causations, and there is so much that is blamed on this group or that group, I feel like it is akin to anti-semitism, and nothing more than bigotry. The end times must surely be upon us!
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I did not say the entire new testament is Christ's words, and I am speaking in general Druid. And I tend to agree with most of your statement.
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  brotheryochananposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Why do people not suppose that the disciples were writing Jesus' words down? It's called taking notes. Can you picture it...
  "Hey that was a cool thing, jesus said... gimme a pen will ya, i gotta write that down".
  Can we also not imagine that walking with Jesus and spending so much time with Him would not permanently be etched on their minds?
  Including the part about God helping to write the NT, can we not imagine that thoughts came to mind that were correct when quoting Jesus?
  These guys were walking around with a man who was performing instant miracles and healings, changing lives and speaking words of (unforgettable) impact.
  
  I can imagine this and more.
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qwarkposted 11 years ago
If I remember right, and its been a very long time, but I seem to remember that after demanding the death of everyone in a village, this biblical god gave all the young ladies who had never been with a man, to his troops to do with as they pleased. That would include little girl children.

I'll look that one up.

Qwark
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Most times the Jews were told to kill all the people and their livestock so as not to be polluted by the beliefs of those they were fighting and left alive to be incorperated into their society.
  
  It is what happened to Israel and Judah, and the reason God dispersed them into the nations. They had become sycritistic in thier faith, meaning they had combined the religions of thier neighbors and foriegn wives into the religion of God. So...
  
  Which is what he was trying to keep from happening. And which is what is happening today by our churches allowing Muslims to use our alters and holy temples to God for their own worship of their god. It is also an abomination to god.
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  brotheryochananposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yes.
  God does not appreciate a blended religion.
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Stump Parrishposted 11 years ago
He states...And I'll explain it again...Christians live by the New testament, the words of Christ.and then runs straight to Leviticus to make a point.

Tm, do you were 50% cotton shirts? Do you eat pork or shellfish? Have you ever planted a garden in your backyard? Do you believe that if a man marries a woman and finds out she is not a virgin, he should kill her? If you answered no to the last one and yes to any of the first 4 questions, please explain again about not picking the bits you like.
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  He asked me for passeges refering to homosexuality being a sin and abomination... I produced them. Simple.
  
  Also, Christ taught to tolerate the actions of a sinner and there ways. He did not say accept their sins as normal. There is a big difference between toleration and acceptance. If you want to live in sinful ways, that is your perogative, but we do not accept the sin as moral and correct and teach our children to embrace those sins as moral behaviour.
  
  We accept the sinner as a brother in Christ, who is lost in this world. We can accept the sinner and forgive them... we do not accept the sin itself and learn to practice it as acceptable and moral.
  
  See the difference
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earnestshubposted 11 years ago
Here is a list of lies told by religionists.
The writer is someone else, not me, so the experiences are not my own, although they do match mine where experiences were shared ones.

Darwin recanted on his deathbed. This is completely fabricated and has no foundation in truth whatsoever. A woman named “Lady Hope” spoke to a church group shortly after the death of Charles Darwin. She claimed that she was at Darwin’s bedside on the day of his death. She also claimed that Darwin recanted on evolution and accepted Jesus on his deathbed. Her claims are not only unsupported, but are directly opposed by Darwin’s daughter, Henrietta. Henrietta stated “I was present at his deathbed, Lady Hope was not present during his last illness, or any illness. I believe he never even saw her, but in any case she had no influence over him in any department of thought or belief. My father never recanted any of his scientific views, either then or earlier. I am upset that the U.S. Christians have fabricated this conversion nonsense. The whole story has no foundation whatever.” February 23, 1922.

Evolution has been proven false (is only a theory). Evolution can be divided into two parts, macro and micro. Micro evolution is a fact, where as macro evolution remains a theory due to debates on the exact steps of the evolutionary process. EVOLUTION DID HAPPEN we simply can’t trace the exact evolutionary steps of the of the 3 trillion plus species on earth. Considering there is no way that we can even prove if we have located all the species on earth, this may always remain a theory. We can prove though, beyond a doubt, that humans have evolved. We can trace it back conclusively 3.6 million years. 97% of all scientists accept evolution (so does the Catholic Church). Christians have spread lies about this excessively, they especially like to say evolution preaches that Humans evolved from monkeys. Evolution does not state that humans evolved from monkeys, that idea is completely absurd. Science states that monkeys and humans evolved from a shared forefather and are hence relatives, (all primates are) but we are in no way direct descendants of them.

Atheists have no morals. All one has to do is take a look at the American prison system. Nearly 76% of violent criminals are Christian and NO, most of these Christians did not convert after conviction, they were Christian at the time of the crime. The greatest genocides in human history stemmed from the Christian faith. If you examine secular societies in comparison to religious societies; secular societies will consistently have less crime, unemployment, corruption and more freedom, share of wealth and a higher standard of living. Nearly EVERY single advancement towards morality (I.E: ceasing native genocide, freeing the slaves and women’s suffrage) was OPPOSED by the church and Christian organizations.

This United States is a country founded on Christianity. This is the biggest sack of horse shit and only an EXTREME MORON would believe something this retarded. The VERY FIRST AMENDMENT of the constitution is based on the Separation of church and state. The paramount reason why the forefathers came to this country was for religious freedom. They listed it as their top goal in forming America. Matter of fact most of the fore fathers weren’t even Christian, but deist, atheist and agnostic. I could site thousands of quotes which piss on this lie from Washington, Franklin, Jefferson, Paine, etc. but I shouldn’t need to, considering the reading of the constitution is a 4th grade curriculum requirement.

There are no atheists in foxholes. I hear this one on a weekly basis and it never ceases to amuse/disgust me. One third of the world’s population does not believe in a deity. The largest concentration of free thinkers is found in Asia, which participated in each world war and have been feuding over territory with the surrounding regions for thousands of years (especially Japan and China). My father is an atheist and served during the Berlin Crisis. I am an atheist and though I wasn’t in a fox hole, I faced death while giving birth and I tell you that the thought about God NEVER crossed my mind when I heard my condition could be fatal. I have had the privilege to meet hundreds of atheists who served in WW2 and Vietnam, each of whom sat in fox holes.

Lying to support the myth is all that is left for the religiously challenged.
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Three parts, E. Micro, Macro, and Human, Evolution.
  
  And any scientist who tells you Human Evolution is a fact, is also a liar.
  
  There are liars in all wings of every aspect of life, E.
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  earnestshubposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Do me the service of addressing the issues please.
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  So you agree with my statement.
  
  You would simply like me to go through all of what you listed. Well I believe my answer covers all the bible stuff so on to the others. America's foundation was Christianity, our laws are based on Judao/Christian doctrine,.
  
  And desiring religious freedom, does not negate that we are a Christian country, and were founded on Christian priciples. There issue was with being forced to worship as the State and king demanded, not... not want ing to be Christians.
  
  Also, all the founders believed in a God, and most called and considered themselves Christians, only the revisionists argue differently. Only Thomas Paine could and would be called a Leftist like we think of today. I would go so far as to call Paine a Socialist, and I love the man's writings. But if you read Paine he actaully goes through the income of England and disects how it should be a collective piggy bank.
  
  And I am not someone who says all Atheists have no morals. I have stated many leftists and some atheists have no values, which is the natural out-come of Moral Euqvalency, which has been full embraced by most on the left, be they atheists or not.
  
  Which secular societies are thoise E? Sweden, which has all of 10 citizens?
  
  I think I got them all E... a lil blurry eyed right now though, so...
  
  And I hope your doing well today, E, and are having a good day.
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  earnestshubposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for the reply and the good will. I hope all is well with you to.
  
  I won't disagree, I will let the arguments you offer stand or fall on their own.
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  brotheryochananposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Man is not born atheist. Atheism is taught. You can go to any deep woods in the amazon or find a new tribe somewhere and you will find they have a god or many gods. History is lined with gods. Rome had lots of them. Religion, spirituality, occultism, spirit guides, voodoo - whatever guise God worship comes under - the desire to know god is in everybody, always has been, always will be. This is part of being created by God. There are no atheists in fox holes because everybody experiencing near death, reflects on their afterlife, on their current life and OMG, things are much different at that point. Then again this is a colloquialism and not a 100% scenario. The few who don't are, as i expect, not in the majority.
  
  There is no evolution. Its just another backward reading of creation. To think that a big explosion went off and everything randomly became is ludicrous. Its like the saying... "a tornado went through my junk yard and produced a 747 airplane". Our planet as the only planet with humanoid life is not random, its necessary to the scheme of creation.
  As i have said before and obviously this had no impact to you.. evolution has no keen insight into the kind of path or design it needs to take. The flatworm has an optic spot because that is what it needed not where evolution left off... We have an highly evolved eye because we needed that, not because evolution decided to make the eye fancier. The eagle can see a mouse from miles in the sky because that is what it needed. We have oppositional thumbs not because monkeys do, because they are needed to have dominion over all other things.
  
  America being founded on christianity is true. People went to church every sunday. God was in the schools and the work place. People openly said things like, thank God, God willing. In the 1950s Rock n roll music was not heralded into society for a number of reasons but it was called the devils music. People made concrete agreements with a handshake, not because they were moral atheists.. because they were christians. The back of the american dollar bill says "in god we trust".
  Give your head a shake.
  This buying and selling of mistruths has really got to take a back seat to truth.
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kamrynsmom77posted 11 years ago
I believe the Muslim community are not dangerous, it's the alquida!!!! I can't spell. Muslim is a religion.. It's a way of life... They're not terrists ...
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dutchman1951posted 11 years ago
3300 dead in the Towers destruction, 1 airplane into the Pentagon, 1 down in a Penn Field. Subway bombings in England, an entire hotel used for us troops with the front blown off in Beruit....

Hell no they are not dangerious at all, just a few guys playing a couple of pranks!

sweethearts, good eggs, great guys, special loving people.

Fed information and monies from US Mosques, they just chat on the net thats all, no problem. Just a bunch of boy scouts, with finance monies, US dollars to send to the OL Folks back home, you Gota Love em, right?
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  Paul Wingertposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Caused by terrorists.
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  earnestshubposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I see Malaysia gave one of the terrorist planners 15 years jail today. Nice!
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  Quilligrapherposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Dutch. Nice to see you.
  Let me see if I understand your logic regarding the 9/11 terrorists:
  All the terrorists are Muslims therefore all Muslims are terrorists.
  
  Okay. All squares are rectangles therefore all rectangles are squares. (I think I understand it now!)
  
  All mothers are parents therefore all parents are mothers.
  
  These statements are all perfectly logical. Or are they?
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ElderYoungManposted 11 years ago
No more dangerous than radicals that call themselves followers of Christ.
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  brotheryochananposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Doesn't matter what people call themselves. Do their actions line up with the words of Christ.
  Wolves love to be in sheeps clothes
  The ideal person to take drugs across a border is a (fake) priest.
  Nobody is born into the kingdom of heaven, i.e. catholic, baptist, protestant, etc.
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  Beelzedadposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Your words most certainly do not line up with anything Christ would say or do, quite opposite in fact.
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  brotheryochananposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  if you hadn't of broken my buzzer, sounding it so many times like i did at your nonsense i might believe were telling the truth. The only opposite to the word of God here, is you, in fact.
  
  i will call you to produce some evidence. And after i put it into proper context and interpret it for ya.. can ya man up to an apology.... in fact
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  Beelzedadposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  My goodness, still obsessed with buzzers. I can recommend a good specialist to help you with that obsession.
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Stump Parrishposted 11 years ago
Dutchman, you mentioned...3300 dead in the Towers destruction, 1 airplane into the Pentagon(that one still needs a little more proof before it will fly, more like a bunker buster if you ;look at the damage caused and wonder where the damned plane disapeared to)), 1 down in a Penn Field.... No chance this could be in retaliation for the hundreds of thousands of innocent women and children America has killed in their country, right? It has to be the work of terrorists and a religion you dislike. Why do so many in this country seem to believe the rest of ther world should accept that it is an honor to be killed by Americans who want what these people have?
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  Phoebe Pikeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  An eye for an eye will make us all blind.
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Azreen Chanposted 11 years ago
IntimateEvolution, I think you got it wrong.

I'm a Muslim woman, I have my rights, I can study until I get my pHd, I can work in government, I can drive my car, I can get a job better than other man, I got paid to work as freelancer too, I never got hit by my parents ever, I can travel as far as I want, I choose my life.

I'm Malaysian.

I think it depends on the country. Some country, they are a bit aggressive.

It's not in our religion. We are not treated like that.

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  Beelzedadposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  But, there are only just over half of the people in Malaysia that are Muslim even though Islam is the state religion. However, the constitution demand a "de-facto" SECULAR government ruling, which is the only reason why you have those rights. If the government were Islamic run, you probably wouldn't.
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brimancandyposted 11 years ago
I don't believe that the Muslim community is dangerous.

What I do believe is that our media, and people who want us to fear the Muslim community are very good at trying to get people to believe that they are dangerous, coming up with all kinds of lies to scare people to boost their own egos and agendas.

Another group that is claimed to be dangerous is the gay community. Another group that is out to convert your sons to it's evil ways. I can't tell you some of the bullshit that I have heard coming out of the mouths of people from the church, and senators and people involved in politics have said.

This is only going to get worse folks, as people like Sarah Palin and the George Bushes of the world get their church nutjobs to follow their lead to squash any other belief than their own. And, these are the people who are trying to gain power in the world. A very sad situation.

This is nothing new. We have simply moved away from the big Russian threat to a new target of people to throw hate at. And, then our leaders piss and moan when they throw the hate back at us, and then make these claims that we are the better nation.
And, now we are using the church as an excuse to spread hate.

I would go on, but the whole thing makes me sick.
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knolyourselfposted 11 years ago
Not like safely droning them from Nevada.
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Valemanposted 11 years ago
There are dangerous individuals and groups within all sections of society. There are fundamentalist Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Hindus etc. And the history of the atheistic state, such as the former USSR is not exactly one to be admired. I doubt though that there is such a thing as the "Muslim community." As there are many different types of Christians, who disagree strongly with each other, it is the same in the world of Islam. The word "community" is used perhaps too often to lump together people, who may have no connection with each other. I hear of the "gay community." Though where this is, I've no idea. Perhaps there is some rainbow coloured village somewhere, where the sound of the Village People is heard night and day, but I doubt it.
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  The Ummah is very real and is under the Caliph, which is a desire of the Muslims everywhere to re-establish. It was the Ottoman empire till the late 20s when the western powers dismantled it, and Atta-turk created secular Turkey, which is today rapidly becoming a theocracy once again. That is one of the main reasons the Isamic nations are not fan of us. But yes... the Ummah, "Isalmic Communnity", is very real. All Muslims belomg to it.
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  platinumOwl4posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I would like for you to analyze all of the damage done by so-called god fearing Christians in this country alone, then, rephrase your question.
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  brotheryochananposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I would like you to analyze all of the damage politics has done and rephrase your question.
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TMMasonposted 11 years ago
All ideologies are dangerous, not just religions, all. And some times it is the interpretations which are more dangerous, than the actual ideology. And some are more dangerous than others.
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earnestshubposted 11 years ago
I am familiar with what is written in the bible TM!

You and others interpret it in whichever way suits your religion, I have quoted the OT ones myself, only to be told they don't count any more.

I believe it is a lot of homophobic nonsense myself.
You gave me a goddunnit again.
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Well you have that right, E.
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  brotheryochananposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  i do not see what is so bad about what christians say: the sinner needs to come out of their sin.
  to lie is wrong.. so stop lying.
  to sleep with another mans wife is wrong ... so stop it
  to steal is wrong... so stop it.
  to have sex with another of the same gender is wrong.. so stop it.
  
  whats the problem here.
  why does homophobic have to be something that doesn't need to be stopped?
  this sound like a severe case of mental disorder.
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I agree...
  
  I do not hate the sinner, I hate the sin.
  
  And people today just do not want anyone to point out "Right" from "Wrong", "Moral" form "Immoral", "Evil" from "Good", and the lies they attempt to use to justify said immorality or bad acts, PC has destroyed this nation.
  
  But there is a difference between attacking the sin, and attacking the sinner. And yes, Brother... Society itself is suffering from a self-induced mental disorder.
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yankeeintexasposted 11 years ago
A lot of people have twisted the Bible's pathages into a hateful, and derogitory statements. The have forgotten that hate is a sin and being hateful is not exceptible! I do have friends that are homosexual, and they know that I believe that it is a sin, but they know I do not hate them!
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  earnestshubposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  They don't require too much twisting to be hateful, in fact they manage that as they are written. I takes enormous contortions to attempt to make it OTHER than hateful.
  
  "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
  
  How else may that be interpreted?
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  brotheryochananposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  this should not be interpreted as hateful.
  Its a law or a rule to live by. Obviously breaking this rule omits one ability to live. Our societies used to have the same sentence towards gay people. Our societies had the same rules towards black people. Oh they didn't kill them quickly, they starved them, ridiculed them, beat them; in essence a slower death and much more painful.
  God did not make the law because he hates this practice, he made it to protect his people and keep intact life, the way it works best. Living a life after fleshly concerns is a deep pit, shallowly started. The trouble with sin (or wrongdoing, or experimentation) is that once started, majorly, the tendency is to become bored or more curious in another associated area, and delve in deeper, too more variety.. in essence, sin produces more sin and sin once it becomes the staple diet of the human is hard to quit. Some sins are near impossible to quit. Even a seemingly harmless (not sayin this is a sin just an example) event like getting a tattoo can be hard to live with after becoming christian. Say a person has gang tattoos on his face ( i know one person) or snakes tattoo all over their body, looking at this in the mirror can be unnerving and hard to get rid of..
  Unsaved humankind thinks sin of all types are no big deal, not an issue, but in fact they do lead to death. Not immediately (because we are not under law since jesus christ) but eventually sin leads to death. (lake of fire)
  So its not hateful just protectionism and protection is a form of love.
  Let me know if you can agree just a little bit. An honest opinion instead of just defensive ridicule would be nice for a change.
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  earnestshubposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry.
  
  killing people because of their sexuality is the "sin" the only other "sin" I see is supporting this ridiculous hate and murder.
  Love doesn't involve murdering people.
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  brotheryochananposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  'Love doesn't involve murdering people' is an easy sentence to type. Its very general isn't it. In my post i used love in regards to protection. So we will keep it there and discuss this a little further and please don't take this out of the arena again.
  A mother will kill to protect her child (if she has to)
  An army will go forth to battle (love of freedom - protection)
  
  the love of many outweighs the love of the one. (jesus on the cross - protection against separation from God)
  
  depends on the stakes, mate. Murder for the sake of protection certainly does happen. And this is the light you need to look at it in. In this approach it is not even murder, its execution for breaking a law a law designed to protect. Adequate warning was given, everyone knew. Sentence was pronounced by the law. I wonder how many thought.. oh i think i'll be gay, or how many made advances to their same sex. Its a deterrent for protection sake (and also prosperity sake).
  
  You need to look beyond the words and find the reasons. If you have lost that then you will not be understanding. It seems as though i have repeated myself.
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  earnestshubposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You go on defending the murder of homosexuals and non believers as you like, for my money psychotic text is written by a psychopath, and as the bible is riddled with psychopathic scripture such as the one I quoted, a reasonable conclusion is that it was written by psychopaths.
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  Valemanposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I used to be a Christian, and the idea I had in my head of God was of a loving father, who cared for us, his children. Rather like a friendly old Father Christmas. I used to read the New Testament a lot, but the only parts of the Old Testament I read were those concerning the creation and the flood - all the stories I had been taught in school. Then one day, I decided to read some other parts of the Old Testament, and was shocked at some of the things I read. I remember one passage (I cannot remember where it is, perhaps you might know) where God commanded the Israelites to invade neighbouring lands and that they should kill every man, women and child. The particular part of the passage which stuck in my mind was where God instructs the Jews to smash out the brains of the babes upon the rocks.
  
  Suddenly, I found myself in confusion. How could my loving father possibly give such a command, I asked myself. Then I felt guilty for questioning the Lord my God. I knew that in ordinary circumstances, anyone who dashed out the brains of babies upon rocks would be an evil, psychopathic killer. Yet here was the god I believed in giving such an order. Reading further, I discovered so many other similar such commands, which disgusted me, and I came to realise the God I thought I knew from lessons at school was not in fact the real god of the bible. I began to turn away from such a god, yet still felt that to do so was blasphemy, and that perhaps the fires of hell were waiting for me as a result. Now, though, I cannot believe that such a god could possibly exist, because his morality would seem to fall short of that of most humans, who would consider the bashing out of babies brains to be unacceptable.
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  Baileybearposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  OMG - I don't remember reading about God commanding babies heads being smashed against rocks. Which book was that in?
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  Valemanposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I cannot remember the book, which is why I hope earnestshub might know, as he seems to know the bible very well, from his quoting of it many times.
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  Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Googled it Psalm 137: 9 and Hosea 13: 16
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  earnestshubposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)
  
  Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.
  
  Is this the one you mean?
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  Valemanposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I think it was Psalm 137:9
  
  'Happy shall he be that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.'
  
  http://bible.cc/psalms/137-9.htm
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  earnestshubposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yep! That's it. I'm getting rusty!
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  Valemanposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Hosea 13:16 is a good example too.
  
  'Samaria shall become desolate;for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.'
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  Baileybearposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  disturbing. I do remember things about unborn children being ripped out. Of course, apologists will defend it as just revenge or something like that
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  brotheryochananposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  this practice of dashing the kids was pagan in origin. Recall the pharoah of egypt and how he ordered all the hebrew babies killed at birth, and a second time: thrown into the nile to drown. Recall when king nebuchadnezzar had jehoiachims sons killed before his eyes and then his eyes burnt out. Remember how samson was blinded by the philistines.
  
  People who think the God of the bible is out of wack are just wacked themselves.
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tessoudaliposted 11 years ago
you are danger

do you 90% muslims in don·t spaeck arabic islam for all world not for arabs read kuran
don·t see news about benladen

do you all muslim love jesus and mariam
do u know 200000 americain convert to islsm every year
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tessoudaliposted 11 years ago
do you 90% muslims in don·t spaeck arabic islam for all world not for arabs read kuran
don·t see news about benladen

do you know know all muslim love jesus and mariam
do u know 200000 americain convert to islsm every year
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halajanposted 11 years ago
well i dont thing so every Religion in the word has it own bad people has it own way of living we do we Accept them and do not accept Muslims i meet some Muslime and they were so nice and kind
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TMMasonposted 11 years ago
No. They, muslim communnnities, are not a problem or dangerous at all, just ask the Norwegian women about it...

-Defenders of Islam call it a "religion of peace" but Norwegian women are learning that Islam is the religion of rape. According to an amazing police report released there this month, every single solved case of assault-rape in the country in 2010 was carried out by a Muslim immigrant.

The report was cited by an official Norwegian television station. According to the report there was a total of 186 of known rape cases in 2010. These fall into various categories, the largest one of which is assault-rape, carried out by sheer physical force, of which there were 86 cases. In 83 of these cases the perpetrator could be identified by the victim. In all 83, the attacker was described as having "non-western appearance," a laundered euphemism for Muslim immigrants from Africa, the Middle East, or Asia.

In other categories of rape there were Norwegian attackers as well, but they were still in the minority (Note: the translation of the Norwegian TV report embedded here does not make a distiction between "assault rape" and other forms of rape, and appears to confuse the statistics for 2010 with those for 2006-2010).

A female police officer who commented on the report explained that “Many of the perpetrators who commit these rapes are on the edge of society often unemployed, arriving from traumatized countries. In the past five years it has often been asylum seekers.”

The problem is not new. A report in Aftenposten in 2001 said: “While 65 percent of those charged with rape are classed as coming from a non-western background, this segment makes up only 14.3 percent of Oslo's population. Norwegian women were the victims in 80 percent of the cases.”

“In other words,” says the New American, “Muslims from Africa and other benighted Third World places are targeting Western women for rape.” It elaborates:

“In 2005, the blogger Fjordman reported on a similar rape wave in Sweden. A crime prevention study that year reported that Algerians, Libyans, Moroccans, and Tunisians ‘dominate the group of rape suspects,’ he reported. The same year, the newspaper Aftonbladet reported that nearly half of all rapists were immigrants.”

Yehuda Bello, an Israeli blogger who is well-acquainted with Norwegian culture, noted the report and claimed that Norwegians are a culture that suffers from “extreme boredom” due to the presence of huge oil reserves, and thus inordinately interested in multiculturalism and assorted “human rights” campaigns.

They are also traditionally anti-Semitic, he believes. As a result their politicians and press are focused on Israel’s actions in Shechem (Nablus) and Hevron and choose to ignore Muslim misdeeds – be they in Iran, Syria, or in Norway itself.

Despite this, he reports, the Muslim rape campaign has become so terrible that even Norwegians have begun to recognize the reality around them, and in recent months there have been protests where the slogan was “Muslims out

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/145161

Under Islamic Law, al'Sharia, any woman not in a viel is a whore and can be treated as such. ie; raped and beat. And that is straight from their prophet and allah, and as such it is LAW.

And the viel is not cultural, it is in the Qu'ran that a woman should show nothing but the tops of their hands and their feet, period!

-The Quran is quite clear that the veil is essential for modesty, but why is modesty important? The Quran is still clear:

"O Prophet, tell your wives and daughters and the believing women that they should cast their outer garments over their bodies (when abroad) so that they should be known and not molested" (Quran 33:59).-

"Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty......And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what ordinarily appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms...." (Quran 24:30,31).

Nothing cultural about the viel at all.

And here is a lil bonus for you all....

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeche … eitnow.htm
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earnestshubposted 11 years ago
What is gob-smackingly obvious is that the bible has almost the same abuse, yet that is "quoted out of context" whenever it is mentioned, but the quoran is understood as literal by christians who apply these values but not to themselves.
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  So you ignore the article and the rapine, to gripe of interpretation. C'mon E... And there is not way to mis-interpet the verses of the viel. They speak clearly for themselves.
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  earnestshubposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  That is the very point I would make. They speak for themselves, and no amount of theological nonsense from the churches can change that.
  Psychotic beliefs are written by psychotics. So simple to understand.
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Sill ignoring the point of the post.
  
  Those muslim men are acting in the way they were brought up. Islamic doctrine of the viel is taken from the Qu'ran and the Hadith, and the interpretation is performed through Itjahadi. Sometimes that interpretation can take a lot of thought and twisted logic, other times such as the the viel verses, it is self evident. Women who do not were the viel are considered whores, their interpretation, not mine.
  
  And what about that raping?
  
  How you doing over there today, E?
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  Baileybearposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  yet I recall in the bible it says a woman is to marry her rapist
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I love the way you all ignore the story and go straight to attacking the Bible. Well they did it... so it is okay?
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  Baileybearposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  the way you defend your book is no different to they way other religionists defend theirs
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Where in this post do you see this as about defending any book. I have not seen one Muslim come in here to contradict anything I have said about the viel. It is a simple issue and Muslims know it.
  
  And how does defending the qu'ran speak to raping woman all over Norway?
  
  http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/145161
  
  And the interperetation of the qu'ran as to the viel is legitimate.
  
  So... you agree with the Muslim men in Norway, they can rape any woman not in a viel because they are not wearing the viel and therefore are whores.
  
  Okay... nice to see you suppoprt them in their actions, and I am sure they will be happy to know it also. Not a big fan of Women's Rights and equality are you.
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  earnestshubposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, we all support rape TM because we point out the same thing in the bible as in the quoran.
  
  What is the difference in rape supported by your book and the quoran?
  
  Nothing.
  
  If anyone is supporting rape it is those who refuse to acknowledge the words in their tome and keep promoting these horrible books.
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  TMMasonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  it is simple, E.
  
  I post an article of a specific incidents and you all cannot bring yourself to condemn those who are committing the atrocities. I don't see anywhere in that article it say Christians are doing this. No where around the world do I see that Christians are mass raping women in host countries over a Biblical precept.
  
  I would wager it is because you all just cannot get yourself to insult your partners in the newest movements around the world. Along with the fact that you all are islamic apologists, and to recognize they are doing this would destroy the illusion of the religion of peace and love BS. So it is just divert the conversation to attacking Christians and the Bible.
  
  It is so transparent that it is rediculous that you all will deny it.
  
  But you all will.
  
  Except you E... I know damn well you do not like religion, period. But the article was about thieir, Islamic men, actions in Norway, not Christianity.
  But that is always the fall-back position.
  
  I would like to hear your comments as to what you think about the situation and what should be done to gain control of it. Not about Christianity, as I know where you stand on that subject. And there have been plenty of threads regarding it.
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  brotheryochananposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  People in atheistic situations are in the business of spreading their hate and blame and false information against God and christians because they lack the grip of rationality.
  Its all about them. Self rules them and self declares what is right, even though it is completely wrong. They call others what they themselves are and they fail to see their own psychosis which is clearly demonstrated.
  
  The knowledge of God which they fight with everyday, obviously, is tearing them apart.
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TMMasonposted 11 years ago
Nope!... Nothing to see here people... just move along.

SEATTLE (AP) — Agents arrested two men in a terror plot sting after one of them arrived in Seattle from Los Angeles intent on attacking a military recruiting station to “wake the Muslims up” to defending their religion from U.S. actions abroad, authorities said Thursday.

Abu Khalid Abdul-Latif, also known as Joseph Anthony Davis, of Seattle, and Walli Mujahidh, also known as Frederick Domingue Jr., of Los Angeles, were arrested Wednesday night after they arrived at a warehouse garage to pick up machine guns to use in the attack, an FBI agent wrote in a criminal complaint filed in U.S. District Court.

The machine guns had been rendered inoperable by federal agents and posed no risk to the public.

The men were scheduled to make initial court appearances Thursday on terrorism and firearms charges. It was not immediately clear if they had obtained attorneys. They could life in prison if convicted.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2-terro … -grenades/
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earnestshubposted 11 years ago
I don't see denial of the post, it goes without saying that rape is a horrible despicable crime.

I am pointing out that the quoran is not the only source of this type of hate and control, and you haven't had the courage to admit it.

Out of context from the bible, in context from the quoran is the elephant in this room!
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earnestshubposted 11 years ago
The situation in Norway is deplorable! All the foreign rapists should be deported, and their country forced to incarcerate them when they return to their country.

Because the muslim extremists want to enforce their bronze aged laws, which causes these men to believe they can treat any woman who does not meet their ridiculous dress code inhumanely. their country should also pay compensation to the victim.

The same laws should apply to fanatical christians and any other lunatics who want others to live by their bronze aged myths.

Having a good day?
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  carol3sanposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Amen to that! I have nothing to add except to say that there are extremist practically in every religion..
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  brotheryochananposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  yawn
  You are so blond
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  earnestshubposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yawn
  
  learn the difference between blonde and brown, then learn how to spell blonde would be my advice.
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  earnestshubposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  And you are as thick as two planks!
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  Phoebe Pikeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  "Blond" and "Thick as two planks"... do we really need to insult each other in our discussions? I would have asked this sooner, but I have been away for a while so I am not just singling you out, okay? But please, could we get back to an adult discussion about this instead of a name calling contest?
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  earnestshubposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I would be happy to. I don't take kindly to abuse myself, and usually keep it nice unless some loon opens up on me, at which point I handle it on a case by case basis. This particular person has made everything personal, and will attack family, tell lies, exaggerate, mis-quote, read into things that are way off the mark, call names, and generally act like a ahole.
  
  Naturally he sees himself as a "good christian."
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  Phoebe Pikeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  It was nothing against you or anyone else using that kind of wording... but you get the idea.
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  Le_connaisseurposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  No religion is dangerous. However, I consider any religion that tries to break my faith down (I'm christian) as dangerous. I don't like Yoga or Buddhism cause I had bad experience with their practitioners when I was younger. And i don't like when they do their astral travel cause they cause cause harm to people by doing that. I have Muslim background. People in my mom side are Muslim and my dad side (christian). Honestly, I'm closer to my mom people because they are not fake. However, they have some kind of habits. They want me to become Muslim (which is not gonna happen) and also, they can get mad easily. They also swear a little too much for me but deep inside, they are nice. My dad side people (Christians) are fake, evil... I have reasons for saying that. So no, Islam is not a bad religion. They respect life. Ben Laden was just an exception.
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  A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Have a read over your comments once again to see that you said your parents are nice yet they get mad easily and swear too much.
  
  I would agree, your parents probably are very nice. Perhaps, it is their religious views that are the root cause of them getting mad and swearing too much.
  
  You even go on to say that your dad considers Christians to be evil so he is obviously harboring negative emotions based on his religious views. Aside from those views, isn't your dad just a normal dude trying to get along and raise a family?
  
  Can you also now see that your conclusions about Islam may not be correct?
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  Le_connaisseurposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not saying my dad was evil. I said my family (dad side) which means my dad's sisters, cousins, etc... are bad people. I said that because some of them are the reason why I lost my mother and I just can't forgive them. They call themselves Christians but their heart stinks like a skunk.
  
  I didn't say my parents get mad easily or anything. I said my mom side which means her brothers, sisters and cousins etc... are very nice but they swear too much and they get mad easily. For them, it's eye for eye, tooth for tooth. They are pure Muslims.
  
  I love my parents and I will never say anything bad about them. Also I think Ben Laden uses religion for his bloody ambitions. One can't kill people just for religious purposes. Killing people is against any religion anyways. One needs to learn how to respect life.
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  A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  The argument seems to be with yourself or else you're just trying to convince yourself religions are okay.
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