Reasons "Of Believing" or "Of Not Believing" in God

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little johnnyposted 13 years ago
Give 3 good reasons why you DO believe in God or you DO NOT believe in God.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  1. Psychotics are by definition not gods.
  
  2. All gods are mythical from ra onwards as all the god stories are recycled from previous gods, and this is being better documented daily.
  
  3. Gods are assumed more powerful than humans, so do not need to be worshipped, would not be jealous, and as pure love, would not make it conditional.
  
  As no evidence exists at all for any god I do not believe in a god.
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  My prayers remain unanswered.
  He has not revealed himself.
  My thoughts are my own.
  
  You be the judge.
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  parrsterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What have you been praying for, and why?
  
  In what way are you hoping for him to reveal himself?
  
  Your thoughts are your own... but known by God. What God thinks of your thoughts might be the better consideration.
  
  Psalm 139:1-3 - O Lord, you have searched me and you know me. You know when I sit and when I rise; you perceive my thoughts from afar, you discern my going out and my lying down, you are familiar with all my ways
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  parrsterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Mathematics tells us that nothing comes from nothing. Therefore there must have always been something that was. The universe cannot, logically, have come from nothing. What, then, is the something it came from? It cannot be of this universe, for that is a contradiction. A material thing cannot pre-exist itself. Also, the universe cannot be eternal, for evidence is everywhere that it had a beginning and is getting older, winding down like a mechanical clock (in response to this very truth the big-bang theory was thought up). Implying, then, that there was a time it was fully wound up and new. But what existed before the universe’s beginning? Before it arrived in all its newness?
  Was it a mind (thinking) or matter (non-thinking), not of this universe? The universe encompasses incredible complexity and all the hallmarks of, what appears to be, intelligent arrangement. However, non-thinking matter is not intelligent. It has the ability to neither decide anything nor put anything in order; such requires reasoned thought. Therefore what pre-existed the universe cannot have been matter. Mind then. God
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Nothing? Unbelievable. This continues to be the claim of believers.
  
  What the Universe came from cannot be measured, but would appear to be "nothing". But, came from something. So saying it came from nothing is pure conjecture, to support the god concept.
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  parrsterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So are you agreeing that something pre-existed our universe or that something didn't?
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Pre-existed?
  
  The Universe has always existed. It runs on a cycle. It collapses on itself and re-expands on it's own power.
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  parrsterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  How convenient
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes that was...
  ...very convenient
  Funny how the universe can always exist but God has to have a creator. God cannot have always existed.
  ....too convenient
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  parrsterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Convenient definitely, and odd. Odd that we're allowed to believe the universe is endless and eternal, that the stars are innumerable and any number of other incredible but "scientific” things (we may even believe that some advanced alien power manufactured us); but a supernatural Being... Bah, superstition!
  Truly, for all the grandiose things the human mind can achieve it remains a rather small place.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  when confronted with the religion of Self, considering all the stupid things that people do, even the educated ones - it's nice to know there is a God who is much much better.
  And also that mankind can land a spaceship on the moon, plot the movement of astral bodies, build nuclear reactors too close to a shoreline, in spite of this and more, when nature rears its head, mankind is humbled - even powerless in its aftermath.
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  parrsterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And we don't say the universe came from nothing, we simply claim that the material universe is not eternal, but who it came from is.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And, that would be nothing more than speculation and/or assumption on your part. Now isn't it? Of course it is. You need something to make you feel more secure, like you have the answers...."god" fills in the gaps in your irrationality rationalized thought process. Nothing new from a religious person.
  
  You must be proud of yourself, you cannot even be honest with yourself. So, people who you talk to, don't expect you to be honest with them.
  
  Just thought you should know.
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  parrsterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for the heads up. If only I'd known earlier that all I had to do to get others to take me seriously was to stop believing in God... have you considered counselling.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You're kidding right?
  
  I don't have a problem. I'm not the one who is dishonest with self. Try looking in the mirror for once, and don't let your ego do the viewing.
  
  Maybe, just maybe, you might actually learn something about yourself.
  
  I doubt it, but it's an idea to correct your personal issues.
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  parrsterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And where do I get this magic mirror exactly? One that determines the existence of God on the basis of my humble reflection?
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  A "magic" mirror? You need one to see past yourself? WOW! You're in bigger trouble than you realize.
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  Evolution Guyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Humble? LOLOL
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  your Self is so angry
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  parrsterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You seem to see anger in many, which is obviously something you are projecting from yourself.
  
  I have no anger toward people. I find religious people actually funny most of the time. Laughter is never and cannot ever be misconstrued as anger.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  cagsil wrote:
  "You NEED to see past yourself? WOW! You're in bigger TROUBLE than YOU realize.
  I DON'T have a PROBLEM. I'm NOT the one who is DISHONEST with self. Try looking in the MIRROR for once, and DON'T let your EGO do the viewing.
  MAYBE, just MAYBE, you might actually LEARN something about yourself. LOL
  I doubt it, but it's an idea to CORRECT your PERSONAL ISSUES.
  And, that would be NOTHING MORE than speculation and/or assumption on YOUR part. NOW ISN'T IT? OF COURSE IT IS. YOU need something to make you FEEL more SECURE, like you have the answers...."god" fills in the gaps in your IRRATIONALLY rationalized thought process. Nothing new from a religious person.
  You must be PROUD of YOURself, YOU CANNOT even be HONEST with yourself. SO, people who you talk to, DON'T EXPECT you to be HONEST with them.
  You can laugh all you want, but at LEAST I am HONEST. And, the FACT that YOU SEEM to think that I AM the one with an ego problem more so, because I POINT it out ABOUT OTHERS...think again.
  I've written a hub on the topic, not to mention, I ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY to see PAST my own, which APPARENTLY YOU choose NOT to.
  Not. But, nice try.
  Actually, YOU DON'T KNOW. YOU WEREN'T THERE. Duh! SO get off your HIGH HORSE.
  It shows YOU DON'T understand your own life and you PROBABLY NEVER will."
  
  You call these laughs?
  Your self is very angry but i wouldn't expect you to notice.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ridiculous as usual. Nothing new from you.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Its right there in front of you.
  but i wouldn't expect you to notice.
  This is what is called .. showing some proof.
  
  it's what i expected from you when i asked you to prove what you say about me.. but you did not.
  Therefore you are full of damage, dishonest and that my friend is nothing new from you.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Gods true followers have always been few in number. He really is not a God of numbers but relies on quality."
  
  That would have to fit the flood idea real well, he decided he would take out the birds even, and yet you find it plausible, and believe an omni anything entity would entertain itself making a stuffed up species the wiping them out like that would be normal behaviour.
  I see how you would conclude that, I mean it's just natural really isn't it?
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Nice try at twisting things around. It shows your blatant dishonest streak.
  
  Again, there are many examples of your inability to see how you damage things, especially on the forums. I don't have to point them out to you, because even when others have pointed out your actions, you still make the claim that it's out of context.
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sure is funny how in most of your responses to others, they are the ones with an ego problem. LOL!
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Troubled,
  
  It is the #1 cause of most problems. So, it's not hard to figure out. It just goes to show that more often than not, people cannot see past themselves, to get to truth.
  
  You can laugh all you want, but at least I am honest. And, the fact that you seem to think that I am the one with an ego problem more so, because I point it out about others...think again.
  
  I've written a hub on the topic, not to mention, I also have the ability to see past my own, which apparently you choose not to.
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Your response is expected. Nothing new.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Here, may you should learn something new-
  
  http://cagsil.hubpages.com/hub/Characte … ee-Past-It
  
  http://cagsil.hubpages.com/hub/A-Consci … mprovement
  
  Two hubs you should definitely read.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  There are so many i's in your posts I cannot count them all.
  But seriously, you need to get rid of that ego and submit to God before you will understand.
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  Evolution Guyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You think you have some understanding? And no ego? Cripes!
  
  This is why your religion causes so many conflicts cousin. You do not understand yourself.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  explain to me what you mean by your statement.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So what and your point? Oh yeah, that's right....you never make any points, you only twist words.
  Now, you wouldn't know anything about me, expect what your own perception would tell you, but since you're so full of yourself...your perception is skewed.
  
  Again, nothing new from you.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  again nothing new from you... another post where you say the other person has the problem.
  Your problem is clearly out there for all to see
  
  Its called YOU or Self or yourself.
  
  got any evidence of word twisting or is this just another unsupported mouth furt from you.
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  parrsterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Two astronauts land on a distance planet, one a died-in-the-wool sceptic regarding alien life. On an exploratory outing they come upon an elaborate structure, clearly the sign of intelligent life. Says the sceptic, “Did you put that there?”
  Incredulous the companion says, “Don’t be daft, this is a clear sign of alien intelligence.”
  “Be serious,” says the sceptic, “obviously if you didn’t put it there, then it must be the result of planetary activity?”
  “It’s far too complex; surely you can see that it can’t have occurred naturally.”
  “Given enough time it could have, anything can happen given enough time.”
  “But how?” asked the companion, bewildered by the sceptics self-assurance.
  “Oh, we’ll figure it out, I’ve already got a few theories I’m willing to bet my life on are true?”
  “OK, but why would it happen to start with, what’s the purpose of something so elaborate when something simple would have-”
  “Oh, come on, be honest with yourself, if there was an alien life, where’s the evidence, hmm?”
  The companion indicates the elaborate structure.
  “You can’t be serious”, says the sceptic, “You know what your problem is, you’re egotistical.”
  “Huh?” says the companion, a bit stunned.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  now that is good clean humor
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  MrMaranathaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Three Reasons: 1) He has already proven himself countless times in my life.
  2) He is a with me continually guiding me and keeping me out of trouble.
  3) When I was "Far" from him, my life was a mess, finances a wreck and the general situation was no where near what it is today as a believer.
  4) God does not need to prove himself to anyone... that would be beneath him. But to reveal himself to those who seek him truthfully is something he likes to do.
  Atheists and some others think to brag and challenge God to show himself... try that with a lowly man like Obama or one of the Builderburgers and see if they even talk to you.. So how do you expect to get God's attention with your whining tantrums? Does not work does it? Try Humility and Repentance and you may get his attention.
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Binaya.Ghimireposted 13 years ago
Satyam Shivam Sundaram - Hindu mantra

Literally: 1- God is truth. 2- Shiva is God. 3- God is beautiful.
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djoutsider711posted 13 years ago
Why I DON'T believe in ANY god:

1. The concepts of a god is a HUMAN concept, without the belief in such a being the being in question simply would cease to exist (not that he exist to begin with, thus the word Concept).

2. The choices I make every day effect not only my daily life but also the life of those around me. Likewise, the choices other people make effect me. This is not a supernatural situation, it is a fact. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. A god is only a scapegoat explanation of why and how things happen, without taking the time to understand the things.

3. Gods are defined in a way that cannot be proven or disproved. It is a well sharpened blade that has been tweaked and balanced over thousands of years. Simply put, if one were to claim proof that a god exist, then that proof has a chance of being proven false. So, a god is crated that is beyond the reaches of this.
This may not exactly be a reason for my non-belief but if something is supposed to be considered real and tangible in our universe, it should not be afraid of scrutiny. However, we see only the opposite.
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  parrsterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Where is your proof that God is ONLY a human concept?
  That unscrupulous humans use the existence of God to manipulate others does not take away from the reality of his existence.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Really? Prove "HE" exists in reality. All believers make claims that "HE" doesn't exist in reality, because "HE" is a spirit or something else that exists outside of time and space.
  
  Therefore, IF "HE" exists outside of time and space, then "HE" doesn't actually exist.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  time applies only here.
  the universe is expanding where? Yes there is something beyond the universe otherwise it couldn't expand. Even nothingness equates to somethingness or room to expand, so if there is room for expansion, there is something beyond the universe. And if there is a beyond the universe, God dwells somewhere there.
  To exist without time will be lovely. I can't wait to exist without time. Oh wait if i am to exist without time then its possible the one who said to me i can exist beyond, without, time is probably himself existing beyond time.
  Bibles awesome but of course it conflicts with your... where did you get your philosophy from again?
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ibneahmadposted 13 years ago
I believe in the Creator God and it is very natural to believe in Him. It is very reasonable to believe in Him naturally, in my opinion.
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  djoutsider711posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  How is it natural?
  
  Are you saying that if you were born in a society that had no god/gods you still would have come to believe in God? What if you were born into a Satanist family? What if you were born into a Hinduism family? It is only seems natural to you because it was how you were taught to believe and think.
  
  Gods were originally crated due to mankinds need to explain things but now we know why the earth shakes, why the tides rise and fall, how the earth circles the sun... there is no need for these myths created to comfort the pain of the unknown.
  
  How is it reasonable?
  
  Is it reasonable for me to believe that a giant spaghetti monster created the universe? Was it reasonable for the Nords to believed that an eclipse was cause by a wolf chasing the the sun and eating it up? The only way to prevent this from happening was by them running around the camp banging things together in an attempt to scare the wolf away. See, what happened with that belief is they realized that even if they didn't bang their sticks together, the sun always came back. So, they dropped this belief in favor of REASON.
  
  I fail to see how the belief in any god is reasonable.
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  ibneahmadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  As for me; I was born in a family who believed in the Creator God and the society around me also believed in Him. I find that in all parts of the world the society has been believing in Him. I have not yet found anything that I should not believe in Him.
  
  I don't find any fault with Him.
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  OutWestposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm guessing at one point people in society didn't believe. People believing in God had to start somewhere.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It did begin somewhere. It began from ignorance in understanding their own life and the world they lived in.
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  OutWestposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You mean the ignorance that comes from not believing?
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No. The ignorance that comes from not understanding their own life and the world around them.
  
  What part of my previous post did you not understand?
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  OutWestposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe they were wise enough to humble themselves to the fact that there are much greater things than themselves in this universe. And maybe they actually understand their life much better than non believers.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It was not a fact of being humble. It was directly related to a lack of not understanding.
  Not. But, nice try.
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  OutWestposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What do you know
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What do I know?
  
  The highest authority any individual can have is self. And, that knowledge is derived by setting one's own purpose in life, which brings on meaning.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I know that is NOT what Christ taught.
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  DoubleScorpionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Luke 17:20-21 (KJV)
  20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
  21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  and you think this kingdom of God within us is Self:
  Matthew 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, LET HIM DENY HIMSELF, and take up his cross, and follow me.
  Matthew 6:28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:
  Matthew 11:8 But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings' houses.
  Luke 9:3 And he said unto them, Take nothing for your journey, neither staves, nor scrip, neither bread, neither money; neither have two coats apiece.
  This is a small portion of the anti-self teachings of Christ. Loving thy neighbor, charity, love your enemies... the list is long.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, you don't know. YOU weren't there. Duh! So get off your high horse.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh sorry i did not realize you were there.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Never said I was, but the junk you spout off, is nothing new.
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  liftandsoarposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, when all is said and done there are only two religions: Christianity and humanism. The first recognizes a God who is powerful and loving. He is external to our universe and thus able to make a difference in our universe. The second reigion is humanism that place exalts man. This religions strokes human egos for a time, but is utterly powerless to affect change in our lives.
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  Evolution Guyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  humble?
  wise?
  understanding?
  
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  try a dictionary
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  Evolution Guyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh - I know what the words mean cousin. If you or your "brothers" exhibited these characteristics I would know.
  
  You do not.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  the fact you say i do not is very humble nor is it understanding and neither is it wise.
  hmmm
  humble is like meek, right.
  Numbers 12:3 (Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.)
  Since you know all things... .... you know what Moses was like. How he killed the egyptian, stood up against pharoah, led his complaining people, and withstood uprisings face to face. He even struck a rock in anger.
  So now that you have been introduced to humbleness, let me just ask you "does 1/4 wit sound familiar to ya"?
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Jonathan Jancoposted 13 years ago
I believe in a creative source of all that exists, and because I enjoy it that way, but I keep it mostly private outside of here.
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Cagsilposted 13 years ago
(a) It's not required to understand one's own life.
(b) It's not required to live one's own life.
(c) It's not rationally sound or even logical to maintain any belief with regards to a god.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No it is not required to understand ones own life... if indeed one can truly understand his own life or does one merely mold a life from the chances and opportunities that present themselves.
  If God put us to here to have a life in Him, then we cannot understand our lives at all without Him, because the life without Him is not the life intended for us to live. We replace the life in Him with the life we have and we think we have life. The two are not identical in any way.
  If our life is built up by chances.. who is to say God did not have a hand in that chance? His word, says he feeds the birds and He set up a beautiful self recycling, energy friendly planet made of colors that would not drive us nuts (pink grass and red skies - but i digress) People consider natures colors to be chance, calm and soothing and are not the work of a God who knows about such things. If indeed a God created those colors for our benefit then to deny Him any portion in anything beyond that, is just not understanding.
  John 10:10 The thief comes to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  More junk offered by a believer. Nothing more than conjecture.
  
  It shows you don't understand your own life and you probably never will.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  well you are right. You gave me something to ponder and this is what i came up with.
  I am not trying to understand my life i am trying to understand Gods life. His life changes my life. My life is unraveling, it is being revealed to me one step at a time. My life could wind up anywhere, doing anything but doing the thing that God wants me to do,whatever that is. My life is not finalized, its not completed, in fact it is beginning and perhaps i never will understand my life, because i suspect it is hard to understand something that is in a process of evolving and that makes me happy. In a sense i am not in control of my life; God is and my life has taken a backseat to what God has planned for my life - to quote the bible:
  1 Corinthians 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
  Now i realize this is talking about something else but in our discussion this is a good application for what God is doing in my life, because of the ever widening expanse of possibilities that can be produced in my life, i perceive that i never will understand all, most or some of what will be and i suppose too that this is because God is forming my life.
  I find that exciting.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Stick with YOUR life. While you attempt to understand your supposed god's life, you continue to damage the rest of the people who you happen to come in contact with.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  where is your proof of this damage?
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It all over the forums, but I didn't expect you to notice.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  such a vague answer.
  Am i just to take your opinion as fact then or will you man up?
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Vague is your specialty. Not mine.
  You don't have take anything at all. The only thing you have to do is actually listen to others, who have said the same thing about you. We all cannot be wrong about you. So, stick that in your pipe and smoke, until the cows come home.
  
  You're so full of it and yourself, you make a mockery of yourself, everytime you open your mouth. I'm just pointing it out to you, so you know. You damage yourself, your own credibility and still never notice the damage you do to others.
  
  Good luck going forward, you're going to need it.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  yah i'm vague
  Thanks for not answering the question again.
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liftandsoarposted 13 years ago
I believe in God because he revealed himself in the person of Jesus Christ. By all counts he was a good and noble man. When he rose from the dead, that settled it. If Christ is not risen my faith is in vain.
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Sherlock221bposted 13 years ago
I can give three reasons why I used to believe in God, and three why I don't now.

Former Beliefs

1. Nature is so beautiful, there must be a designer behind it.

2. The complexity of life could not have evolved, but must have been designed.

3. I can't believe that everything I am, my mind and everything I have learned could just disappear, therefore there must be an afterlife.

Beliefs Now

1. Nature is beautiful because it is what we are used to. If I had been born on a planet with purple sky and pink grass, this too would be beautiful because it is what I would have been familiar with.

2. There is so much evidence that species evolved, that evolution is a fact, and therefore there is no designer.

3. My mind cannot imagine non-existence, yet for the majority of the 15 billion years the universe has existed, I did not exist. I only came into being with my body. Therefore when my body no longer functions, I shall return to the non-existence from which I came. Only fear made me believe otherwise.
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ibneahmadposted 13 years ago
I believe in the Creator God because He exists.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That would be a very good reason if it were true.
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liftandsoarposted 13 years ago
To my fellow believers, there is only one objective reason to believe there is a God. Jesus rose from the dead! I Cor.15. To my unbelieving friends, not one of you has address this historical evidence.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  There is no historical evidence to even support that the jesus mentioned in the bible ever existed.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I know. Isn't that fantastic!
  If we could open any book and find material about Christ in it. If there were tomes apleanty proving christ lived and walked and died and rose again and if there were complete worldly evidence of all His mighty works for every eye to see and if there was no way anyone could avoid proof of God.
  Then how would faith work?
  We think we know it all about what happens after this life and how the unknown all operates and we think we understand mysteries and secrets that pertain to different dimensions. I have to work hard not to break into laughter here... because we don't understand any of it.
  How do we know that faith is not an integral ingredient in the other world? How do we dis faith (believing without proof) as not being handy to the max in the afterlife?
  If there were proof then faith would cease to be.
  I am always amazed at how God has everything wired from the beginning to the end. We need everything He wants us to have. Faith and belief without physical proof is very necessary.
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liftandsoarposted 13 years ago
Funny how no one ever questions the life and exploits of Napoleon. But there's far more reliable documentation on the life and, yes, death and ressurection of Jesus than there is for Napoleon. I wonder if folks don't grasp the evidence because they don't want to.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Show me some evidence. I can assure you there is none at all.
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  liftandsoarposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Others have given ample proof of the resurrection of Christ. Frank Morisson's Who Moved the Stone was first published in 1930 but remains relevant. A more recent work will be found at the following URL
  
  http://www.leaderu.com/everystudent/eas … josh2.html
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Conjecture from a religionist. Not one single piece of evidence.
  
  http://godisimaginary.com/i11.htm
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  some exerpts from the link above
  # God has never left any physical evidence of his existence on earth.
  All of existence is Gods handiwork
  
  # None of Jesus' "miracles" left any physical evidence either. (see this page)
  Plenty to those at the time, otherwise, Christianity would never have become popular.
  
  # God has never spoken to modern man, for example by taking over all the television stations and broadcasting a rational message to everyone.
  And if he did would anyone believe it?
  
  # The resurrected Jesus has never appeared to anyone. (see this page)
  Baloney page with asinine assumptions. There are reasons jesus does not appear today. Faith is necessary. People would think him a demon or start some other religion. All christs work was done on the cross.
  
  # The Bible we have is provably incorrect and is obviously the work of primitive men rather than God. (see this page)
  You know i totally reject this wrong idea and all i see are misconceptions sloppily presented and interpreted.
  
  # When we analyze prayer with statistics, we find no evidence that God is "answering prayers." (see this page)
  Odd the people prayed for by my church have huge success with answered prayer including cancer. Prayer has been answered in my life but it is always in accordance with Gods will, not for some survey.
  
  # Huge, amazing atrocities like the Holocaust and AIDS occur without any response from God.
  This is a hubrious statement. How do you know God did not respond? What is the idea of responding, that it didnt happen in the first place? lol.
  
  Totally bias page with completely disgusting angry conclusions, hastily made. You actually read this stuff... You need better reading material.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  and "proof #45 from that repulsive sight is utterly laughable as is 100% of the rest of that sight.
  don't be brainwashed by these sloppy interpretations that are completely unfounded and totally incorrect.
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  In the very short time I've been here, I've read some of most outlandish and preposterous things stated as fact, and they weren't just blurted out, people actually took the time to write them down and post it here.
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  Jonathan Jancoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
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wildernessposted 13 years ago
I do not believe in the existence of God because:

1. In 2,000 years of rhetoric and searching there has never been even one piece of evidence produced of an omnipotent creature from another universe that created our own universe.

That's all that is needed. No other reasons are necessary. Without evidence of some kind even my own ignorance of such things as "where did we come from" or "what is our purpose here" or even "how did the universe come from nothing" is not a reason for belief.
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ibneahmadposted 13 years ago
I believe in the Creator God as he has always existed and I have never found any good argument from the non-believers which would have convinced me otherwise.

I believe in Him very naturally.

I don't insist others to believe in Him if they are not convinced.
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  ibneahmadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  His commandments make us better human beings ethically, morally and spiritually.
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  Evolution Guyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  LOLOL This is why your religion causes so many conflicts. You claim to be better than others. So - you think having sex with children and stoning women to death is morally superior huh?
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  ibneahmadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It is the politicians doing business in the name of religion; without following the core teaching.
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  Evolution Guyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Like stoning people to death for adultery?
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Indeed stoning people for adultery may seem harsh but this is the typology that the OT people lived with. Applied to the NT stoning represents a rocky road during adultery and a rockier road after the adultery was discovered. I have never heard anyone say, "boy, i sure enjoyed that adulterous affair" after it was over. This sort of action causes much heartache in both parties, grief and wounds deep even to the heart. It is noble indeed, of the one who says no thanks to this situation and despicable of those who partake.
  Again we like to apply our 'civilized' world values to a time of 'uncivilization". Recall how brutal both sides were to each other, Things like burning eyes out without anesthesia, just a hot coal pinched in a set of dirty tongs, rammed into the eyes and probably twisted. Enough deterrent?
  So after a man takes your wife, the words out of your mouth would never be, "i just wanna kill him".
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  wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Indeed those times were an uncivilized period. Guided by God, with explicit instructions on how to live, the people then were extremely uncivilized by modern standards of morality and ethics. They were barbaric, to put it mildly.
  
  It is always puzzling to me that as morality and ethics have changed through the millenia into our "modern" version Gods words and instructions on how to live like a barbarian are ignored and forgotten. The two seem to always go hand in hand, with Gods words changing a few decades after the same change in society.
  
  Perhaps God changes as well, becoming civilized himself instead of a stone age barbarian?
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes those were barbaric times.
  I think God dealt with people then, and deals with people today as the climate of the time, situation and circumstance (etc) dictates. Strange wording but i hope the point gets through.
  Jesus came, and things changed... God brought the gentiles into the playing field.. now the gentiles are a big force of people, who do things much differently... the world was becoming civilized and people changed their way of life according to their surroundings and of course the future of the planet became what it is today. I think it fitting that God end sacrifice. Can you imagine if new york alone had to kill animals to the likeness of what israel had too? So along with that other ordinances had to be changed also. Since there was only one temple.. all the world would have to go there, lol.. good for tourism but not practical. just sayin... of course there could be a work around.. like say, oh i dunno "we are the temple of God"... yah, that works.
  I see a sensibility to it all for the above and many other reasons as well.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Speak for yourself.
  
  If you want to believe that baloney fine, just don't project it on others who don't see it as other than self aggrandisement. .
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  if you want to believe that baloney fine, just don't project it on others who don't see it as other than self aggrandisement. .
  
  works both ways
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Except it doesn't does it?
  When was the last time I asked you to believe in an invisible impossible fairy?
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  those are your words
  properly interpreted:
  you asked me to not believe in a God that exists
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lone77starposted 13 years ago
(1) Physical reality. Wow! Some creation. It's a beautiful universe.

(2) Miracles. Seen plenty of them.

(3) Cogito ero sum; dieu en moi (Rene Descartes).
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BethanRoseposted 13 years ago
1. Too many bad things happen in the world, if a God exists he is not doing a good job.

2. There is never any regular experience of anyone seeing a God, it's a belief that is lying to them.

3. He has not helped me and led me where I want to go yet. I believe I'm doing it on my own, who needs a God..
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well said. The only thing god is doing is not doing anything apparently.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Its the bad things that bring people to God. Jesus said how hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God. Another famous saying "you have to real low to look up". How many testimonies are there about people at their lowest point in life, turned about by the power of God in their lives? - a huge amount.
  I experience God everyday, because i have eyes to see - He gave me that. People say there is no right or only one way but salvation is of God and is the right way. The cross of Christ is not to be ignored that's God honoring the son.
  Sorry to hear about your dilemma, but there is not enough info to go on. Salvation is of God.. once you enter into that, the rest is plainly there. It is a gift of God.
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god and humanityposted 13 years ago
I feel that when it comes to God, the first question one should ask is, perception of God. How does one perceive God. In my strong opinion, God is is inside us, in our doings, in our responsibilities, in our duties, in our fellow human beings and finally every where you see and feel. I wish every one feels this way so that there would not be any pain, physical or psychological. When, there is no pain, we can see only happiness and joy. If we enjoy every thing we do in our daily life, we can feel the thrill of life. I suggest every one to adapt this concept and feel the difference. This is my answer to the forum.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes God wants us to enjoy our lives here. We did not obtain life to merely throw it away. But God does not want us to live life without Him. The life he has planned is way different than what we plan.
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
Yeah I saw Hinn curing everything from cancer to bunions, but it was proved to be all bull*hit wasn't it?

You would be hard presses to find any church without lots of "miracle cures" but every one tested so far has been a fraud hasn't it?

That's called lying to support a belief system that is itself based on lies.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  yep. and those that have researched into this situation know that
  "Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. "
  
  Of course he's a fake. I have no problem saying that, therefore i do not follow him NOR do i let his actions dictate my reactions. It's easy to point the finger and say oh yeah but this person or that person, but in actuality that is neither here nor there. Notice the scripture said, "if it were possible". Being grounded in Christ is truly a key to a successful christian life.
  We know that people love a good cover, if they are corrupt. Look at advertising on television - do not they all contain some level of deception? Do not the very dictates of the world present fleshly pursuits as gratifying to the soul, short lived as they are, there is always a down side. We see corruption in everything, from the bleaching of toilet paper to the making of mass produced hydro, but don't let nuclear reactors stop you from using hydro. :0)
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  We agree on a few points here. Hinn is a fraud.
  Advertising aims at the lowest moral denominator such as greed, jealousy, lust to sell it's wares and those such as Coca Cola are experts at this type of manipulation.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  yah.. some magazines are a top offender also.
  The human body was made to be attractive but not worshiped or exploited.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  True. We even have to get rid of advertising material sometimes with the little ones around.
  Luckily their doctor and optician don't have adult content books in their waiting room, I know some doctors who treat kids have all sorts of trash in the waiting room.
  Little people are curious, but I see no need to educate them on how shallow some adult thinking is.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  hehe, reminds me that a woman i know, in qatar - persian gulf - whom received a Cosmopolitan magazine from her daughter here in canada that when she got the magazine, the censure people had taken a thick black marker and blocked out the bare arms and legs and all the other 'offensive' stuff. The magazine was a horrible mess when they had done 'correcting' 200 or so pages.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  and I thought Malaysia and Indonesia was strict! I have never been in the Gulf, but would be interested to see it.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  42C yesterday
  I think that is too hot, even for me and I am constantly in the sun.
  43C today.
  Its probably wise to take ones sheep out at night time
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  Evolution Guyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  How odd. Surely that is what you want in Amerika isn't it? You want God's laws implemented by the state?
  
  This is what happens when you think a god is telling you things into your head.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well this is odd because where christianity is introduced - women get liberated. Christ says to do none of these legalistic things - to follow christ does not entitle any person to mark out magazines to censure them, what does say to do this is legalism. A set of rituals that supposedly assist individual or corporate holiness - the pharisees had a huge number of rules that often were ridiculous and in the end, did not do what it was intended to do. This is works not faith, and we all know this avenue of thinking does not perform well, in fact it brings the believer into bondage instead of freedom.
  Muslim/islam, call it what you want, is all about works. God does not need a suicide bomber to assist what God is doing, in fact, God intensely frowns upon this method and God does not want people sitting around marking out magazines to make them appropriate. God does not want jehovah witness knocking on doors uninvited. This is works, it comes from flesh and it works a work contrary to the spirit of Christ.
  
  Gods laws would, in fact, produce a magazine that was initially holy and would indeed contain much different subject matter and the photos would not idolize or exploit the human body but be tastefully done. Deception, of course would not be the aim of advertising content.
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brotheryochananposted 13 years ago
Why i believe in God

3) because there are no contradictions in His Word. God says he does not lie and so i checked into contradictions. Went to some sights and researched their claims. I found every contradiction to be groundless and in this way i discovered Gods word to be true. Now you see why i jump on every contradiction mentioned in hubpages

2) I have had a loveless life, never married, no children, girlfriends 3, the longest 3 yrs. I was never popular as a kid until high school, grade 10 i developed a sense of humor overnight, but still, chose to be an artist instead of pursuing money oriented careers. Parents, english - seen not heard, then when i wanted long hair that created a huge rift. Petty, i know but there were always many strikes against me that i thought were unfair. Out of my whole life i may have had 10 years of happiness. Hit by a bus when i was 2.5 yrs old.. anyway you get the point... These last 2 years have been the happiest of my loveless existence. I do not know love, maybe briefly touched it once or twice i do not know, but, when i was at my lowest Christ showed his love to me and made me understand, not feel love but understand it in a spiritual way.. that i am loved. I am still impressed to this day.

1) I enjoy walking in the spirit. I had a very fleshy life, internet dated for years, lust, ropes, spanking, etc. never satisfied always seeking more. Never a heavy drinker or a cocaine, speed user; smoked pot daily, several grow shows... Now i am content to be different than my former ways. His ways are more exciting and always fulfilling.. He is a mystery how He works inside me, but i am glad he does. A tweak here and there and a new man, all i have to do is ask with sincerety which may take a few times lol, but patience:
Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us"
lol - run with patience... what! hahaha..
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OutWestposted 13 years ago
There is only one reason I believe. When I called out to Him, He revealed Himself to me. As in Amos 4:13 it states:

He who forms the mountains,
who creates the wind,
and who reveals his thoughts to mankind,
who turns dawn to darkness,
and treads on the heights of the earth—
the LORD God Almighty is his name.

So I'm not the only one whose experienced this.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Nice!
  so true
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  OutWestposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Right on!
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wongomowaleposted 13 years ago
1. There's no proof God exists
2. There's millions of gods to pick from
3. The Abrahamic God is portrayed differently in each of the Abrahamic religions
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ra was reliable, and still rises every day.
  I like Zeus myself, now there is a god who knew how to smite!
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  wongomowaleposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah and Zeus didn't pretend to be benevolent either. He was an honest tryant.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yep! He had overt hostility down to an art form!
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  yah and see where that got him. Now nobody believes in zeus. So i guess if zeus existed.. he's pretty lonely or doin nothin.. probably walking around muttering about all the killings in the bible.
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
I didn't know that not believing in myths was a religion?

What religion do you have to be to not believe a god made itself, became it's own son then killed itself to atone for the mistakes of it's own creation?

And the small matter of his psychotic killing of all but 8 humans because he didn't like all the others he created either.

I would have thought insanity would be the only prerequisite in buying something as far-outeum as that!
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  myth is more your addendum. The actual definition of myth is:
  - a traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, WITH or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, especially one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature.
  It seems myths have a source now the problem with calling the bible a myth is that you are actually calling the source, a myth. This term of myth is the same brainwashing ingredient that also affects scientists, they look at a thing far distant in the future from its origin and they say, oh look evolution and you say, oh look, a myth. But this is a form of hindsight and hindsight is what, 50-50 at best.
  
  As has been discussed earlier in the very forum and on this very page is the barbarianism of early mankind. We see that God says:
  Genesis 6:5 And GOD SAW that the WICKEDNESS of man was GREAT in the earth, and that EVERY imagination of the thoughts of his HEART was ONLY EVIL CONTINUALLY." Just prior to the flood.
  This is not a congratulatory statement of approval, indeed just the opposite. God sees the heart and the word sees in the Hebrew has the connotation of with an outstretched neck, earnest viewing with anticipation. This is not just a casual scanning there is purpose behind it. With the murder of Abel the lineage of Gods chosen was destroyed, Abel was the good son, the shepherd, the type of Christ. Seth took Abels place but was not Abel and Seths lineage eventually went awry also. From Noah, then came the promises, which manifested in Abraham and continued through until Jesus and then with Christian believers. That's a quick general overview, but good enough for now.
  
  I think your prerequisite of insanity leans more to the side of unbelieving.
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Geoffry Vickeryposted 13 years ago
You should definitely believe in God. He sent his only son, Jesus to die for you so you could make it to heaven and not have to kill all your sheep for every little time you do something wrong. This world is going completely crazy. People are trying to put ideas out there that God doesn't exist. But I know he does. I have felt him in my spirit and his son, watching over me. All you have to do is believe in Jesus and accept him into your heart and you will be saved. Jesus is preparing a place for you. Will you accept his offer?
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  Evolution Guyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  Nonsense. This is why your religion causes so many fights and conflicts. People like you telling others what they should be doing.
  
  God does not exist. Jesus was not a real person and you have nothing to offer. I do not need saving from the Invisible Super Daddy's wrath. Your delusions do not interest me.
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  Geoffry Vickeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You serve the devil rather you know it or not. The devil will use many people, animals, and objects for his wrath. In Genesis, the devil used a snake to tempt Eve to eat from the forbidden tree. Now the devil has expanded his use to people like this "Evolution guy" who claims that God doesn't exist. Well I invite everyone to find God today and it's not what you should do. It's what you need to do. God created us all and we owe it to him to believe in him. If you don't take up your cross and follow him, your soul will burn in the fire after you have died and you will suffer forever. Imagine that, never ending suffering. Jesus is the only way out. (John 14:6) He is the way, the truth, and the life. No man will come unto the father but by him.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  More threats from the mythical murderers book of love!
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You still on about this?
  Amazing
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And you're still denying it which is even more amazing.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  actually it is not more amazing.. I have relationship because i do that which i am asked to do.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Glad you could stop by... have some lemonade
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  Evolution Guyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Cousin. I live in a wonderful world filled with people claiming to be better than me who cause constant conflicts as you do. I try to stop it. Of course you enjoyed his nonsensical post. You enjoy telling other people what they need to do to save themselves from The Invisible Super Being's torture.
  
  This is the negativity and fear you spread cousin. You. Keep repeating the same nonsense and I will keep telling you it causes conflict. See how it is you causing it? You.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  A world filled with people who claim to be better than you... well maybe you should up your game.
  You won't stop anything with the lame posts you post. You need some new criteria, some facts, some good piece of new information, something other than just repeating your opinion.
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  Emile Rposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Now that is a worthy goal. We could actually have an intelligent discussion in this place. I bet, if you went first, that might be possible. The question is, are you up to the challenge?
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  always
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Geoffry Vickeryposted 13 years ago
I know right arguing with these atheists is almost like arguing with a wall but I'm just trying to spread the word hoping to turn a few towards Jesus. I can't have people out there talking bad about God and not say anything about it.
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  Evolution Guyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Really? Your God is so weak it needs you to fight for it? What a pathetic god.
  
  You sure you are not just here to make the Christians look bad? Because they don't need any help.
  
  You have certainly turned me away from Jesus. Thank you.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If you actually knew anything about Jesus, you would know it's not required for you to actually take action. Too bad you were taught by frauds of the church.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  define "take action" please
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Geoffry Vickeryposted 13 years ago
I don't need luck when I have God. Life is not about luck. And all you do is shut God out. If you can't feel Jesus, you haven't tried to feel him. If you truly believe in God, you're not just trying him out. You believe him forever. If you get to where you believe in God no matter what that's when you'll feel him and the miracles will start happening. And I'm not full of myself son.
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  Evolution Guyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You surely are full of yourself son. Your lack of humility and need to fight with people who do not believe in your Invisible Super Being is stunning.
  
  Thanks for pushing me away from Jesus though. I appreciate the warning.
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Geoffry Vickeryposted 13 years ago
And God is definitely not weak. He can strike you dead in an instant. Just don't beg him. He has a thing about striking people dead who speak ill will towards him.
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  Evolution Guyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yet you feel the need to fight for it?
  
  Thank you for pushing me away from Jesus.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  no one can push you away... at any time you are welcomed to do better than any christian you encounter. You know the way and the way you know it is because christians told you of a thing called salvation.
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Geoffry Vickeryposted 13 years ago
ok I just read your blog page and saw how much you think about God. And your little evolution theory is gay. It has no proof whatsoever. I have proof of God.
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  Evolution Guyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  LOL You are here to make the Kristians look bad. Right? Tell me you are not.
  
  Really - they don't need any help.
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Brett Milamposted 13 years ago
I think the question of belief in God is far to grandiose to narrow it down to "believe" or "not believe". Thus, I arrive at the comfortable and noncommittal grounds of agnosticism. That said, an agnostic, such as myself, can still question both sides. I tend to have a propensity towards science, reason and so forth more so than explanations resulting in God. I'll leave it at that.
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  ibneahmadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It is good to believe in science and reason; belief in the truth of Creator God is not against reason or science.
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Geoffry Vickeryposted 13 years ago
yeah and you look bad by saying the same crap over and over again. You make atheists look bad and most people can't stand atheists. 95% of the world believes in a high being so your the minority biatch. Yeah thats right a christian just said a dirty word. Lord please forgive me.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You are projecting a lot of bad feeling towards non believers. But gee you're stats look bad for religion!
  
  Look at the state the world is in, and according to your lot, you and god run it.
  
  Majority rules ya know.
  
  Proud of yourself and your god are you?
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  God does run it. Now lets put that into context.
  Look at the OT.. did not israel get sent to babylon as punishment for their sins? yes. Did God promise to redeem them? yes. Did God prophesy of a messiah to come? yes. Did he show up? yes. Did he redeem the world of its sins? yes. Did God them promise that israel would be restored as a nation and did that happen? yes. Does God promise to come back and set up a kingdom for his people which he shall fully redeem. Yes. Has that happened? No. Wanna bet it will happen...
  As mankind follows its own path of self, pride and vanity God continues to work in the background, helping those that believe in Him. As in the OT God had a people and the rest knew Him not. God worked through signs and wonders with his people and this process did not work. The people loved their own lives and the pleasures thereof. But more and more signs did not do the trick so they got less and less signs. When they crossed the jordan the manna stopped.
  Today the majority that rules does not follow God. There may be millions that have a completely different viewpoint of what spirituality is and how to get there; also in the OT. IF we count all the people that are following any form of understanding a higher power, right or wrong, we find the carnal thinkers limited to the physics of this world sliding quickly into the minority. Gods true followers have always been few in number. He really is not a God of numbers but relies on quality. Through the rinse cycle of this world He will get his quality followers and be done with the rest. Is this fair? How can we judge? He put humans on the earth and he will obtain certain results. When the rest are all perished and God has what He wants i am sure God will be pleased.
  Proud of God.. yep.. because all He does He does for his people. Proud of myself .. nope.. because i could give God so much more for what He has done for his people.
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  Evolution Guyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Come on - you can't be serious. You are just here to make the Christians look bad. 95% and the world's a mess huh? Guess the logical conclusion is - it is the fault of the 95%
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Its actually the fault of the Rockefeller, Bilderbergers, Rothschild.. etc.
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  A very Crusadian style of attack.
  
  Call out the non-believers who don't meet the status quo with alienation and hatred. Follow up with some violent act, like name-calling and then pray forgiveness for smiting thine enemies in the name of god.
  
  I would give that a 9 out of 10 for pre-Dark Ages thinking.
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  Evolution Guyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  LOL I am certain he is just here to make Christians look bad.
  
  Completely unnecessary.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  But informative nonetheless.
  
  It's interesting to see how far away from reality a real fundy can get, and who steps in to support them.
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Geoffry Vickeryposted 13 years ago
and your fighting back every time evolution guy so why don't you just shut up. you're basically doing the same thing I am except I am actually talking about something that really exists unlike your lame evolution theory which was though up by some idiot about 30 years ago. My religion has been around forever. It is and always will be God is Alfa and Omega. which is a whole lot more than 30 years
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  Brett Milamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Evolution was not created thirty years ago.
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  Evolution Guyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Your religion has been around for about 1900 years, sonny boy.
  
  Go on - tell me you are here to make the Kristians look bad. Because - really - they don't need your help.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  sound of the buzzer!
  
  4,000 plus
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  These atheists think that being a gay christian is okay but no christian should ever lie or use bad language.
  
  So we should really listen to them
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  Sherlock221bposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh my God, I actually am having great difficulty getting my head around Geoffry Vickery's post. To suggest that evolution was thought up 30 years ago, when it was Darwin in the 19th century who first proposed the theory, although there were others long before him who believed in some form of evolution. So, Geoffry obviously knows nothing about history. This is made even more evident by suggesting that Christianity has been around forever. What ignorance. Historical evidece suggests that Jesus was born between 5 an 7 BCE. It was only after his death that the religion of Christianity began to develop. How Christianity could have existed before Jesus was even born, makes very little sense.
  
  There also seems to be some misunderstanding of what "theory" means in the fields of science. A theory is something for which there is a great deal of evidence. For instance, gravity is referred to as a theory, but just try dropping a brick, and I can assure you that it won't float off into the sky. Similarly evolution is backed up with a huge amount of evidence. So although the modern understanding of evolution dates back to Darwin, it should be described as being discovered, rather than thought up, because Darwin's examination of species is what suggested to him that evolution was a force at work in the development of those species. Evolution did not therefore begin 30 years ago, but billions of years ago.
  
  It is when reading such posts by Christians that it makes me so glad that my mind is not under the influence of such an illogical belief system. And such people really are not doing their cause much good by displaying such ignorance of history. Having said that, the more people post such things, the better the argument for the evolutionists, who use evidence and proof, rather than ignorance. It amazes me, how a Christian can know so little about their own religion, as to suggest it has existed forever. I suppose then the dinosaurs, hundreds of millions of years ago must have also worshipped Christ.
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  Geoffry Vickeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I could just come up with a theory saying that mars and venus had sex and then 9 months later, earth popped out. Because thats makes about as much sense as your evolution theory homeboy.
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  Sherlock221bposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I've never been called "homeboy" before. That's great! It makes me feel young again.
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  Evolution Guyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  He a nigga? LOLOLOL
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That is what it means?
  I knew it would be insulting.
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  Sherlock221bposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I thought it meant a boy who still lives at home. Just shows how little I know.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It still does to us more senior members
  
  You be chillin in the crib
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  Geoffry Vickeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Okay?? Where I come from, we call our closest friends homeboys. I've never called anybody homeboy as an insult. It's more like "Hey whatcha doin homebody." And the other guy is like "Not much homebody what you up to?"
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Geoffry Vickery wrote:
  
  I could just come up with a theory saying that mars and venus had sex and then 9 months later, earth popped out. Because thats makes about as much sense as your evolution theory homeboy.
  
  In the context you used it, it was obviously intended as an insult, and why am I not surprised you deny it?
  
  Lying for jesus?
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GrowingDeeperposted 13 years ago
3 reasons I believe in God:
1) The World around me exist
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  GrowingDeeperposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  2) I exist
  3) I am still existing in spite of the odds
  Those are without even getting into the Bible or "spirituality" or anything else
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Interesting post.
  
  Quote- #2) I Exist?
  
  You exist because you were born. It nothing to do with a god, but had to do with your parents granted you the ability to live.
  
  Quote- #3) I Still Exist In Spite of the Odds?
  
  What odds? The odds that you would die are less than you living. Again, nothing to do with a god.
  
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  OutWestposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  How do you know that our existance has nothing to do with God. You don't know that any better than someone saying our existance has everything to do with God.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Simple really, no possibility for a single god to exist.
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  OutWestposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What a stupid thing to say.
  
  How I forgot you were the authority on all of that.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why, because it goes against your irrational belief?
  I'm not an authority and you're little smiley face, show your character for what you truly are. Good show. I've never claimed to be an authority on it, but I do have to say that apparently you lack common sense.
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It looks like you have claimed to be an authority.
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  OutWestposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I have to agree with you on this one TM.
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  ibneahmadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with you.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  interesting response caggie
  #2) i exist: and not some legless, 3 eyed mutant needing a heart transplant.
  In some cases saved parents, who have followed Gods ways all their lives have raised a healthy child. In todays UNsaved world with so many parents doing all sorts of drugs etc.. we are finding autism is on the rise and who knows what else. It seems all the single moms i have encountered have children with some irregularity. So in these types of instances.. not all... God has played a role, if the parents were Christian and indoctrinated their kids into a clean way of living.
  Parents do not have the ability to give their kids life, as you put it. Some mothers will tell you that to your face, but, happily the majority come out alive, again, this has not happened by the sheer will of the parent alone.
  
  #3) In spite of the odds. "Oh man you were saved from that accident for a reason" is something that UNsaved, UNbelieving people can easily dismiss but this is not something that a Christian will ever deny. And why won't they deny Gods saving grace from an death defying accident?
  Simple really, there is a possiblity for a single God to exist and as jesus said.. "those who have eyes to see.... etc".
  
  Its is really easy to sluff off all that you hear caggie baby, but in order to truly understand, one must spend a little time pondering the possibilities and not just shut the door each and every time because again, true understanding comes from new information greatly received, whenever and at whatever time it comes along.
  Existence is not really a case for believing or not believing in God, but it completely helps to be alive when one does believe
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Too bad you don't understand that it's already been weighed, evaluated and dismissed as a possibility that a god exists. With all new information coming forth, it continues to work against the ideology that a god actually exists.
  One is alive, regardless of the belief. So, it makes no difference.
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Once again, you use the flawed premise that you or anyone else has digested and evaluated all the information available to us in order to dismiss the possibility of gods existing.
  
  It isn't an argument at all, why are you still using it?
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  Emile Rposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You seem to be reading more into his post than what is there. At no point does he say anything about all information. He spoke of all new information only.
  
  You might try a double read of a post before responding, just to make sure you got the point.
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Here you go again. Cags is a big boy. As we all can see he makes his own arguments just fine. Why you think you are in charge of cottling him today is beyond me. I imagine Cags can speak for himself and pull up his own britches too without any help from you. I find your defenses of Cags quite insulting on Cags behalf.
  
  Emilie what are you trying to say about Cags, really? I am beginning to suspect you don't think he is bright enough to answer for himself. I find that insulting.
  Maybe it is you who needs to stay on point.
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  Emile Rposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know if you noticed or not, but the silliness ended some time ago. Are you bored, not having anything to complain about, already?
  
  If so, please look elsewhere. Thanks.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  All information, including old and new, is known as knowable knowledge available to humankind.
  The "argument" is about believing or not, in the existence of a god. All knowable knowledge already presently available, shows enough information to eliminate the possibility of a god existing. Nice to see you're not on top of new information or even old information.
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Repeating your flawed reasoning does not make it any more valid.
  
  LOL! Who made the decision to eliminate the possibility? YOU?
  
  That deserves a double laugh.
  
  You really shouldn't be arguing for non-believers, you would make one actually want to start believing based on your nonsense.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Back trolling again. You must be proud of yourself.
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Trolling? Don't you mean I'm pointing out your flawed and nonsensical reasoning and trying to get you to back up your false claims and explain yourself? Your refusal and lack of ability to do so does not constitute trolling on my part.
  
  If anyone is trolling, it is most certainly you. I would be delighted to point out each instance of your trolling with clearly defined citations, if you wish? No problem at all. You make it so easy when you tear down and destroy any rational arguments in favor of non-believers.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Presently, you and your actions are clearly what is defined as a troll. Nothing more needs to be said, except for that the fact that you wouldn't know logic or rationale, even if it bit you in the...
  
  Enjoy.
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  If I was trolling, I wouldn't be pointing out your silly arguments with explanations and asking you to back up your false claims and explain yourself, which you still haven't done.
  
  If nothing more needs to be said, can we conclude your arguments are based on wild speculations, innuendo and hyperbole and not much more? Can we also infer you have no idea what you're talking about?
  
  What's wrong, not up to the challenge of debate?
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Logic and Rationale isn't part of your method....therefore there is no debate. Attempting to bait others, not only myself is your only method.
  
  You are not a challenge, neither is anything you actually have to say.
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Wow! Stunning performance there. You make claims you can't back up. You say one thing and then another that contradicts what you just said. You never explain yourself and do little more than troll.
  
  Someone comes along and calls you on it and that is your lame response?
  
  So, go ahead and show me where my posts are lacking logic and rationale, stating it is so means squat. Show me where I'm baiting you because I can easily show where you are baiting others.
  
  If I'm not a challenge, then it should be a cakewalk for you to show me that. Again, just stating it means squat.
  
  So many here could easily spin circles around an intellectual lightweight like you.
  
  Stop pretending to be smart and put your money where your mouth is, I say you got nothin'.
  
  Back up your claims here and explain yourself. Tucking tail twixt your legs ain't gonna cut it, bigshot.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  that's the problem; without hearing the words and pondering the text you miss the new information. We are not talking about science here, new information about bible truths. Remember nicodemus, "we know that only a man who does these miracles can come from God". This is what nicodemus knew... then jesus said something new... "Marvel not that i say you must be born from above". Born again is not new to the jews, they have many ways of doing that, barmitzvah, marriage, becoming a rabbi, and yeshiva... but jesus said "from above".
  These are the things one must listen too and ponder in their heart. Not the idiot teachings of science. Not the long distance from earth to stars - which is not long for God at all. But the simple nuances and words of the bible that at some time, light a spark.
  To merely just shut out all other possibilities is missing something wonderful.
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GrowingDeeperposted 13 years ago
I was born, you are correct. If you cannot see the wonder of a Creator in the most complex biological processes known to mankind, i.e birth, you are blind. Seriously think about the level of complex interactions it takes for not only a life to be born but survive and thrive, just to read that sentence even. Really, lay your pride aside and just consider it. Could it be, maybe, possibly ...just ask that question. There is much greater reason to believe that there was a Creator who has kept all things in order up to this point than there are "theories" to disprove such. If you say you have never heard or seen God, you obviously haven't seriously looked around you because He is talking and showing Himself in every facet of nature. Look at the sunrise, the clouds, trees, grass and just ask God is it possible You are real? The resounding answer is yes, He is as real as can be.

And, if you knew the circumstances of my life, you would completely understand #3, so laugh if you will. Not to mention, #4)that I am no longer the person I used to be. And, perhaps if you would have been with me in some of the stupidity that used to be my life, you would say there is a God if you were still alive too.

There is more proof in my 31 year old life for God than there is in the theories of millions of "scientists" lives combined who wish they could disprove the reality of God.
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know of any theories that try to disprove a Creator, but when I see a birth, I see an act of nature. If you're seeing anything above and beyond that, you better get your eyes checked.
  
  Whoa dude, are you hearing voices and having hallucinations?
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  ibneahmadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  How right you are? One should thank the Ceator God who has bestowed life to us.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Be in awe, but don't attribute it to something you have in your imagination.
  It's nothing to be impressed about, considering so many people actually accomplish it with the greatest of easy.
  Pride has nothing to do with it. It's been considering and rejected, due to all knowable knowledge available to humankind. It's the gullible, who refuse to learn, that believe.
  That's the point. It isn't possible. It's not logical either.
  Nothing to disprove. Knowledge and wisdom are the primary tools of humankind and when those two things get together then you have answers. There is no wisdom in a belief in a god. It's just stupidity/gullibility of the individual.
  Nature is a by product of Earth's existence. To say it is anything else is conjecture without an supported evidence.
  Not possible.
  Actually, untrue.
  I don't know them and have no need to know them. What happens in your life? Is based on many factors and have nothing to do with an imaginary god you thought up to help yourself.
  Okay.
  I've had just as much stupidity in my life, either by my own actions and other people's actions, to know what you mean. Still, doesn't provide for the possibility of a god.
  You're missing the point that any god you create for yourself, doesn't actually reside in reality itself. It resides in your mind, sure. But, doesn't exist otherwise.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  applause...... That's such a good speech.
  even buddha would disagree with you.
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GrowingDeeperposted 13 years ago
Cagsil, Im not going to get into an argument with you. It is obvious we will just have to agree to disagree. But, I pray at some point you will perhaps be willing to reconsider your beliefs.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Reconsider my beliefs? You know, that is what is wrong with believers....they all think that everything other people state is either belief or opinion. And they are the only ones with truth.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  But they are YOUR beliefs, are they not?
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  When have you ever seen me, SAY I am spreading my beliefs(the few that I do have)?
  
  Have you seen me type those words "my beliefs"? No, you have not.
  
  Edit: You assume too much, like usual.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Do you see a question mark at the end of the sentence?
  But they are YOUR beliefs, are they not?
  
  so its a question, is it not?
  
  and if you say they are not your ideas (like the question wanted you to answer in the first place) then where did you get them?
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Correct, you asked a question. Thus, I asked a question in return, considering you are not paying close enough attention to the words used.
  
  It's nice to see you don't pay attention. And, I did answer your question.
  Ideas are not beliefs.
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ibneahmadposted 13 years ago
I believe in the Creator God as He exist; and none has proved to me to my satisfaction that He does not exist.

Belief in Him is very natural with me.
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  There's good reason for that. No one should have to tell what you yourself can figure out on your own, you'd never really learn anything that way. If thinking about it doesn't lead to a conclusion based on logic, then you can just switch that right off and believe in Creator God with all your might instead.
  
  Einstein never actually proved to anyone's satisfaction that relativity works, he just thought it up. Yet, there are still people who believe relativity doesn't work and they walk around talking on cell phones that have GPS.
  
  No one can prove to their satisfaction, either.
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Eaglekiwiposted 13 years ago
Hubpages definately needs a 'Rant Room'
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Not to mention a "runt room," EK.
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  Emile Rposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh. I thought that was what the Religious forum was for. It certainly seeems that way these days.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Really ? maybe you need to get out more
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  Emile Rposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I try, but watching the show here is quite entertaining. It's like romper room on steroids.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Whatever rocks ya boat I suppose
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jtylerposted 13 years ago
I didn't read the whole thing here (as it is very extensive), but I did compare these two things:

http://www.leaderu.com/everystudent/eas … josh2.html
http://godisimaginary.com/i11.htm

The first article offers rational explanations and actual evidence. The second article says this "The Bible we have is provably incorrect and is obviously the work of primitive men rather than God. " Then, it offers excerpts from the Bible that are distortions of what's actually written as explanations.

While the first page was accurate, the second page was not. The second page used logical fallacies while the first used logic. How can one claim that God does not answer prayers and that he does not respond to disasters? What would an atheist have to say about John Coltrane's religious epiphany? He was clearly an intelligent man.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The first page is bunk as evidenced in this link:
  
  http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/ … arade.html
  
  There are many more links concerning this guy's illogical reasoning.
  
  The bible cannot authenticate its own contents any more than another novel can. There are no known contemporary documents of the life of Jesus Christ nor any other parts of the Bible. All writers are anonymous.
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