Hatred for Muslims
Mike- Let bygones be bygones. Mumbai attack was a tragedy which will take time to get over. There are some governments which try to keep there own common people from knowing the whole truth and this particular video seems to be pointing in the same direction. There is an overwhelming evidence(which is accepted world wide) and this weak video would only convince those who want to believe it(irrespective of whether that is the whole truth or not). Anyway you are an open minded person and hopefully will evaluate from multiple sources before coming to any conclusions.
Your welcome Earnest. Please call me Mike (I'm not making any money anyway).
If a person is speaking of killing a whole nation / community he is a fascist. Those are words of fascism.
Governments need enemies to justify themselves and they try to put hate inside people.
Peace Man..
religion/spirituality...different beliefs in what "is" right or what one wants...maybe not in the same as today's religions against "pure" Truth of spirituality...I guess its debatable.
Correct the Mahabharata is a masterpiece in poetry and was write by the sage Vyasa.Its a war which symbolises good over evil.Krishna took the side of the Pandavas and was the charioter as he was not allowed to fight,that was the condition.In this war Arjuna is faced with a dilemma over whether to fight or not as the opponents the Kauravas were his cousins he had grown up with.
Here Krishna tells him all has been destined including this war.He is a Shatriya or a warrior and must carry out his part which he is made for.Similarly we all have a part to play and must play it or carry out our destiny
Yeah, absolutely. I am not trying to imply Buddhists didn't have wars and fights - they obviously did and do.
My point was though that they were not fighting "in the name of religion"I think you are correct. I do not know of any wars started by buddhists to "spread the word."
This does seem to be a purely christian/islamic thing.
Quite honestly, when you look at the doctrines they propose, the whole idea of a religious war is ridiculous.
But - I thank God for them.
Without these people, I would have never seen the light.......
Although, I think their influence was spreading, and this caused wars to be declared upon them, so maybe that could be considered a religious war?I knew I could count on you to set me straight Mike.
So, are there any religions that have not gone to war to collect more land or resources?- I doubt it. But it's not the religions, it's the people. Not even atheists, example being Communist Russia.
Depressing isn't it?
Although, at least the atheists don't say god told them to do it
Now that's much more in line with what I remember it to be
Thanks for clarifying this Anitha, and I would not call it religious then.I was coming to explain it...you beat me! Good job, Anitha
**I edited my previous comment here. Dont wish to hurt anyone.**The Baratha war isnt the World War.
You think?
Care to back that up with some facts? Although, I am not sure the point of that. More people were killed without invoking the name of god than were....
Nice. You must be a christian. Guess that makes you right. I will start believing immediately.
Oh come on Mark you know what the point is.
My point is counter to your atheist point that all organized religion is bad.
Finally I converted you. God bless you Mark.
Okay I'll back up my facts with one of my previous posts.
Mike,
I definitely agree to you that underlying cause for most of the wars is not a religion. However, you can't really decline that in many cases religion is used to organize the ignorant masses to support the war.
Nope Mike, we were having the war for peace against evil capitalists. Not Christians, Muslims, and the likes - against evil capitalists
From a politicians view this may be true, but a religious view suggest otherwise. It's what they have been waiting for.
Sandy, I don't follow
Kika - This is as poor a mis-representation of atheism as Mike's comments on Russia.
I am an atheist.
I do not believe there is a god.
No cold hard truth in what you said.
Unless you were joking? Which I think you were, in which case you will find this useful when talking to many of the more aggresive chistians.
Many of them fail to spot it
Oh and I haven't forgotten about your reply on one of my hubs about the Catholic church coming to make my life hell.
I think you are jumping to conclusions assuming that because someone is an atheist they must want to hurt someone who is not. It is not true.
Likewise, it is unfair for an atheist to assume that because people have killed in the name of Christ, that all Christains are bad. It just isn't true.
It is also unfair to assume that people want to be saved or that these things that have happened in the past with regards to non-religions and religions were not meant to happen; or that we are not already perfectly imperfect with our without the need for God.
With or without God, these things happen and that is a true statement, they happen on both sides of the deck so believing or not believing doesn't make any difference. God has no place in the argument in favor of genicide or war.
Who said, "the biggest folly of man was in believing there is life after death?"
Mike - I do not blame everything on organized religion. What I usually say is that christians, who invariably claim to be "better" than every one else because of their "divine" calling, rarely seem to behave in the way their book tells them to.
In fact, often the opposite. This would be one of the reasons I think the bible is garbage. You are behaving in exactly the same fashion right now. Spreading hate and exaggerated claims about a group that is not as "good" as your group.
Although - I was not aware I was in a group. We do seem to be making progress in that you are not calling atheism a religion
I can certainly agree that people who do not belong to an organized religion can be just as bad as you people. And as you correctly point out, they often join some other group that behaves like a religion.
I have equal disdain for the Nazis, Communists, Republicans, Democrats, Muslims, Darwinists, or whichever other group you care to name that sets themselves up as better than anyone else in the same way religions do.
Don't you think it about time we got rid of these groups?
Wow, interesting. I didn't know that. Thank you for enlightening me.
Mike, I apologize now if this sounds condescending, but have you ever heard the phrase, "take everything with a grain of salt"? Try seeing things through others' eyes instead of closing your mind to their opinions and views. Who knows? You might learn a thing or two about them.
LOL Thanks Kika! Who is following whom though
Mike, the next logical step for you will be to report me to Homeland Security. And they will no doubt come, handcuff me and fly to Guantanamo Bay. Or another concentration camp they already have a plenty on the mainland, too.
You don't know this, but I do - this is exactly how house cleaning in communist countries was done...
Homeland security = KGB
Who said I was following you? I posted in here a while ago, and I keep checking in once in a while to see if anyone's said anything worth commenting on. And sometimes it's nice to voice my own ideals once in a while.
Oh, plus, I don't like seeing my friends get bashed.
Mike, honestly, I think you ought to take a step back and re-evaluate the situation. Is it really worth it to go to such extremes over an opinion? What if I were to say I believed true, idealistic Communism would be the best for the world? It would never happen, not in a million years, but the idea of pure Utopia where everyone was equal and no one had to worry about social status and wealth sounds like Heaven on earth to me. Are you going to condemn me for that as well?
What happened to the "Hatred for Muslims" thread...I thought this was it?
It's still hatred, but now for communist atheists child molesters, though
Y'know, Misha, you don't make it easy to defend you & your/others' opinions. Actually, you're making it hard for me. >.<
I never promised I would
Thanks Sandy
But you are losing your cool
I don't think they will come right away, not everything is ready yet - but eventually there is a good chance they will. However, I think I will not live in the USA by that time already
Don't say that Misha. It scares me because you have seen this in Russia and it seems likely to happen here too.
0Whateva Mike,
Russia does that once and it is worse than all the ones who have done it and continue to do it. Yet you figure that Christains should be forgiven and atheist should not?
Do you think it is better that someone kill in the name of God or someone who killed in thier own name?
Don't you know that voting for McPalin is likey to start a new war?
But you want that don't you and you will say it is God's will not yours.
Think again. You don't know God! How does it feel huh? You don't know God.
You worship Satan and don't even know it.
How does that feel?
Oh wait you have no feelings so nothing I say can hurt you right because God is going to smite me because of what I said right?
You nerve is uncanny. Do you really think God will forgive you acting as though you do not have a choice when it comes to war or not? Preach all you want about free will you want because your free will is telling me that you want to kill because deep down inside your a killer, your a revenge seeker.
You so wrong! Satan worshiper. 
0Sandra, hun. ilu and all, so please calm down? I feel really bad when people I like get all upset. Well, okay, let me rephrase that: I feel really bad when people get upset, period. I don't like to see people fighting and nipping at one another's throats. I may just be a huge softie, but still. Can't we talk without incurring others' wraths (this goes for everybody)?
yes, I'm sorry. I don't get mad much, but...what can I say, I am human too.
Just one more thing for Mike, you do know that McPalin's pastor lead a witch hunt in Africa not too long ago...
Criminals should be punished; showing hatred to their community is unfair
Yeah I agree too.
And that's why I showed that people that do not belong to an organized religion can be just as bad as religious fanatics or worse.
For example when talking about the holocaust we should be asking which one.
The Armenian holocaust?
The Ugandan holocaust?
The Jewish holocaust?
Or the big one. The Christian holocaust done by Russian atheists with just about 62 million victims. That's more than 10 times the amount of victims than any other holocaust.
I'm certainly glad you atheists have finally denounced your barbaric atheist faith.
Misha, you are my friend, but atheism is not the disbelief of god, it is the acknowledgement of him and the choice not to believe in him (I suppose that's still disbelief, but you're still acknowledging he exists). Agnosticism is the disbelief of god. I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything, I'm only telling you what I know of religions and beliefs. If you believe otherwise, that is your right and choice and I won't tell you you're wrong for believing it. I'm only telling you what I know. Sorry if I seemed rude.
Maybe you should just say you're Agnostic like me? Makes everything so much easier.
A lot of people do not like to call themselves agnostic because it suggests (to some) that they are incapable of making up their own minds. 'Atheist' has a few meanings, from someone who doesn't believe in god and basically doesn't give it a second thought, to someone who doesn't believe in god and feels the need to enlist others in his/her unbelief. To say that an atheist believes in but denies the existence of god is to display misunderstanding of the language. Atheists do not believe in god.
Personally, because too many people take 'atheist' personally, I prefer to describe myself as rationalist. But then again, I've met many atheists who are far from rational. Atheism is a broad '''church'''Is that supposed to be directed at me?
If it is, I can tell you that you are completely wrong.
I acknowledge no god.
How on earth can you acknowledge that there is a god, yet choose not to believe in him/her ?
Agnosticism is what?
I think we are on the same page belief wise, but..........what could you call a person who says, "I don't beleive in your god"? You said you don't believe in a personal god, or that god exist.
that you are neither athiest or agnostic...I am like that too, did my own study, came across things that I have no explaination for, see things and have done things that I cannot explain...whatever you are I think I am too, but I am not an athiest and I am not agnostic and I am not a christian...not a muslim, not a buddhist, or Kabalist or Judahist or anything of that sort...
does that make me a humanitarian?
OK, I am officuially no longer an atheist
I am now a rational, mystic, humanitarian.
How about child molesting Mark?
Kika,
I think you misdirected your post, I really never categorized myself - while Mark definitely positions himself as an atheist.
As for me - I don't bother, any label does not reflect the reality in all detail. I definitely do think we are interconnected on some higher conscious level, and it definitely has nothing to do with an old guy in a white robe cooking sinners for eternal dinner
You saw that one?
Child molesting, women beating, dolphin hating, hypocritical, radical, mystical, humanitarian rationalist?God did I say humanitarian? What I meant was human-esque, or wait human-ish, no...human-ist. Darn it, I mean human.
Dolphin hater! I hate them too, got a bunch of them captive in my house and on the walls cause they are such awful creatures.
And how does the clap of one hand sounds?
I have to say it became interesting to read what you post lately, Mohit
That Misha is a Zen Koan- the one hand clap.
The one hand clap indicates reaching an enlightened stage .Where you know all is one-God.
When you can taste the tea from an empty cup and hear the sound of one hand clapping, you will understand my child.
Still not sure how it sounds
hhahahah get enlightened ,you will
As far as I understand it, it is not the hearing of the sound that is important.
It is making the attempt
That's what I am doing
Easier said then done, ya know
And yeah, Anamika, hatred is not too enjoyable topic to discuss
Hey - If Mo can do it - You can too
Thats the truth.Being an enlightened poet my job is to inspire others including clowns like you to find God.
- Continually attacking me in this fashion is unlikely to achieve it.
All you are doing is persuading me I was correct in my first assessment of your "enlightenment."
I own shoes that are more enlightened than youYou are the jester of hubpages on this religous forum.I cant help but think ,this guy has no knowledge yet he mocks God and truth.Even makes fun of thr Prophets on a religious forum.
Ask hubpages to make a badge of the joker and put it next to your name.
The real enlightened ones neither boast nor attack others personally, Mohit
But they do defend truth and cannot stand a person mocking God and hs Prophets-not on a religous forum.
Its like someone earlier said to Mark-Its like you dont know how to drive but you will insist on a telling a a race driver how to.
I know that,but thats what the master says to his student in the zen koan.Simply go meditate harder.
LOL Here we go again
Remind me to ask my friend James for the title of this book he's reading about Jesus. It'd go well with your comment.
I'd be slightly worried if I started "sucking up" to anybody, because that would mean I'd need others' approval for my existence. Thankfully, I don't need that, so I'm pretty sure I'm safe from the fears of "sucking up" to anybody. Thanks for attempting to insult me anyway, mohitmisra.
Let me mention the fact that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and while you may not like theirs and they may not like yours, that doesn't give anyone the right to run around barraging people because their views conflict. Keep an open mind and wonder, why does so-and-so think this way? Why does he believe this? Why does she question that? When you get down to the nitty-gritty, no two people are exactly the same, and we must all learn to accept this fact with dignity and humility.
Jesus was a wonderful man, sure. I can't really argue that. He was a good teacher and a wise and caring human being, a rarity within our species. But I will admit I do not believe there is a God.
You are an atheist no wonder.Humanity is still crucifying Jesus and it saddens me..
He and you are ignorant about God ,I am not .My job is to spread the message of the light and I dont like the saints being insulted..
Also have never debated or spoken with you before.Its when you defend what is wrong,then I must take my stance .Death could not stop Jesus from speaking the truth and correcting others false beliefs and it will not stop meMo - Simply attacking anyone who does not subscribe to your admittedly poor understanding of Jesus' words will not win you any friends. You have insulted me repeatedly just because I do not believe the rubbish you choose to believe.
The great thing about these online conversations is - they are all written down. And stay here for ever.
Please quote me where I insulted a saint.
I may have made fun of you and to be honest - I am becoming sick and tired of hearing how enlightened you are
When you brag as much as you do, you are likely to be made fun of. Like I said - I own shoes that are more enlightened than you
I do not appreciate being attacked every time I say anything. If you cannot say something constructive (or at least witty) - why bother? Is this what your enlightenment has taught you? Attack anyone who says they do not believe the garbage you spout?
And you know what? It is not garbage because the original saint/writer wrote it as garbage. It is garbage because you do not understand it when you repeat it. You have made this abundantly clear. And are doing so right now.
LOL And I thought something changed!
Kika, nobody takes him seriously on these forums, so take it easy. With his constant claims to be enlightened and his behavior always contradicting those claims, he is a local entertainment
Oh, no. I am not Atheist. I am Agnostic. ^_^
In your eyes, yes, what some say is wrong. Debating is all fine and dandy, but what you're doing is throwing your ideals straight into the faces of those who do not idealize as you do. That leads to other tempers flaring, and no longer constitutes as a debate. I should know; I was on a debate team for years.
You can preach to the choir all you like. I will not stop you, it is your right to say what you want. But I will tell you that you are not debating, you are bearbaiting. Your "enlightenment" is nothing shy of personal shortcomings and belittlement of others. I'm sorry, but I cannot agree with your claim of being enlightened.
Darn it, why didn't I get the memo?? I dunno, Misha. I'm not finding him very entertaining. In truth, I'm finding him more and more impossible to believe. 
What kind of person says these things while claiming something that completely contradicts every bit of hate he spews? 
I just don't get people sometimes...-
I am literally rolling around with this one.
You are comparing yourself to Jesus now? Don't be silly, stay and play.
Yes, when Mo starts telling me he is being crucified in the same way Jesus was crucified and history is repeating itself, I am likely to laugh at that. Life is to be laughed at.
Not sure where you get the stupidity and hatred though.
And you might want to look the words "atheist" and "agnostic" up in a dictionaryMo - If you have told me once, you have told me a thousand times how highly ranked you are
It just makes me laugh harder........
Got me confused
- Sorry, I get quite confuddling when I get a little Diet Coke in me. I still think Atheism is the belief in God, but the choice not to worship Him. I mean, you're still acknowledging His existence in claiming you choose to hate/not believe in Him, you know? Or maybe I'm just getting that from the Atheists I know. I don't believe there is a God, but there is a chance He could be out there. ... Am I getting confusing again?
