Please don't tell me it is for the children's sake. Let me emphasize... Christians not others, but Christians.
The free Candy and a chance to dress like a demon, witch or other fairytale type creature without being made fun of.
And it is always a good excuse to eat pies, cakes and other "bad" food.
Yea when else can you teach your children its ok to beg
Halloween is my favorite holiday even though I'm not a Druid. I celebrate Christmas and Easter, but I'm not Christian.
Not every thing or every action in a christian's life has to be or is totally based upon religious grounds. Even christians like to simply enjoy the fun things in life. Just taking our kids out for an evening and spending time with them having some little fun is very christian. It also serves to show others that we are not only stuffy bible thumping people but we also have a capacity to enjoy life just for the heck of it as a part of society.
Do we have to spend time with our family around such a dark and unproductive theme? Can't we have fun with our family in the light?
Since when does it matter when we spend time with family. You are nit-picking just for the sake of arguing.
Halloween isn't really a family holiday. It's a pagan celebration meant to confuse the spirits and demons on the night they come out in force. If you dress up like them you're safe.
Kind of like all the atheists who had to pretend they were Christian so they wouldn't be murdered by the church for over 1000 years. Just sayin...
I wrote a hub about the ancient customs of Halloween and it was so interesting!!
Although the accepted knowledge is that the Celts were a suspicious bunch,believing for example - Winter, dark and cold being a season when much sickness and death occurred had to be cursed...many stories evolved around those campfires Im sure!
Yes. I love history. Now that you told me that you have written one I will be reading your hub on the subject.
You mean, showing well beyond a shadow of a doubt those who are stuffy bible thumping hypocrites.
Because it is fun, and they understand the difference between fiction and reality.
I think some tend to make much more of this kind of thing than is reasonable or sound. Questions about the origins of Halloween, the pagan influences in Easter, the actual birth date of Jesus, etc, etc, all instigate a good bit more un-Christ-like behavior, it seems to me, than celebrating these contemporary civil holidays so far removed from all the troublesome 'history' the hyper-religious delight to investigate.
I say 'hyper-religious' not earnest Christian . . . if you have genuine concerns about your own participation in any cultural activity, I encourage you to refrain and continue to seek God's leading - but if you're preoccupied with adjusting everyone else's personal theology and fixing Christianity by scrutinizing the corridors of the historic record to find any hint of an episode or circumstance that could be used to taint an activity that someone today practices with no connection whatsoever to some origin or influence that don't even know about, then you are not (I believe) acting from a charitable Christian spirit but from a condescending religious arrogance.
In my house the civil holiday of Halloween is about costumes and candy, Easter has nothing to do with any Teutonic fertility goddess, and Christmas is a time of selfless gift-giving as we remember the incarnation of Jesus. If 1,400 years ago others were intending something else regarding these celebrations, that is on them.
You make a very good point regarding trying to adjust everyone else's personal theology. I personally do not participate in Halloween activities, but have no problem with the children dressing in costumes and having fun. That is what it is...fun.
I delight to hear that . . . I very much respect your interest to not participate in Halloween, it evidences a genuine interest to conduct yourself along a course you count to be pleasing to God - so do I as I participate. That is the point few seem able to grasp. Paul talked about eating meat sacrificed to idols if you understand it's fine to do so, and he also talked about not trying to compel others who refrain meat sacrificed to idols because it is meat that was sacrificed to an idol - God judges the heart and the Bible says each of us must be personally convinced of our own course.
Not even talking about something like Halloween, but talking about the days God Himself set aside for observance, the Bible says "One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike" and what is the solution, what does the Bible say we should do about how we observe or not observe those holy days, which side is right and which is wrong . . ? . . "One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind".
The point of the gospel is not to arbitrate who is the most right about the most things - the point of the gospel is that we all recognize we are nearly always wrong about nearly everything and to trust God fully and love one another. Good for you.
Two good paragraphs! nicely worded.
its a good point to make that each person has a personal relationship with the spirit of God and that God gently ushers each person into the way He would like them to go about serving him. It may also be a point of where the heart is so is the treasure. If a person love God it may be no big thing to put the whole law back upon themselves so as not even to eat certain seafoods - how they separate this from a work of the flesh i have no idea. God nailed it on the head with the first commandment, love the lord thy God with all their heart, soul and mind.
It's the eve of All Saints (All Hallows/ holys) Day. That's the celebration. All-Holys eve is about all the evil spirits being chased out by the saints. It's a bit of fun, but the following day is the real feast.
Hi Leslie, When I became a christian, I discovered what Halloween stands for. I no longer want any part of it. Halloween does not represent God at all.
I bet that Woman Of Courage celebrates Christmas with a Christmas tree, exchange gifts, sings carols, puts up garland and mistletoe which are all Pagen rituals. I don't let religion or a man made god cloud my judgement on what holidays to take part of.
Many believers have only heard that celebrating Halloween was demonic. Most don't know the true history of the day.
Is this a trick question? Why shouldn't a Christian dress up and go to a Halloween party? Let his kids go trick-or-treating? Decorate the house with spooky decorations? Did Jesus tell us not to celebrate Halloween?
"Yea, verily I say unto you, ye shall not wear upon your bodies the clothing that gives ye the semblance of Jack Sparrowe,
For thou that weareth the piratical garments for the purpose of gaining sweetmeats of thy neighbor
Shalt be in peril of razore blades in thine apples, and barbituates, yea, and all mannere of narcotices, in thy funne-sized Snickeres barres."
I do not celebrate halloween. I used to as a child but later learned it isn't something that is wise.
You see at church for many years we did a halloween house- it had the different scenes of heaven throughout it- at the end they are lead to accept Jesus as their Lord. All of the stuff that happened to try to throw this event off was crazy- we had witches trying to put spells on the property, they would sit out front of it chanting whatever and sneaking stupid items onto the property.This church outreach was prayed for and fasted for so we could stand up and complete what God had called us to do on halloween night. Later the occult people would visit my property and put stuff there too. So with my house and property trying to be cursed came demons- that we could see. A lot more than this happened but it is for sure enough to know it's not good and not of God. This is why my church did this on halloween- to lead people to Jesus and they get lots of candy -instead of an evil celebration that is a trap that looks so fun and innocent. It may be fun as many things are but there is demonic darkness lurking to latch on to those that are innocent-our children & families.
Also my previous neighbors that loved halloween did scances (spelled wrong) in there back yard.
Halloween is rooted in the occult/pagan ways and it is linked to the spirit of death.
I do not expect anyone to understand this if God has not revealed it to you.
But on halloween a lot of these occult people send many curses out- I do not want to link up to that. So I pray for God's mercy and protection over all that still choose to celebrate this truly devilish holiday in Jesus name.
Here are some links to explain about halloween far better than I have:
Ten Reasons Christians Should Not Celebrate Halloween
http://www.fillthevoid.org/Occult/TenRe … loween.htm
The Truth About Halloween
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYT1Vkk-bxQ -part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Tn9fZq2h00 - part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KbPMvaf0q0 - part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ec0wZUwwR4 - part 4
The Halloween Conspiracy: The Biggest Pagan Holiday Of All
Yes, I see how it can be frightening when someone puts...stuff...on your property, and it makes you see demons.
I had a friend in college who said he saw skeletons after someone put...stuff...in his coffee at a party. He said it freaked him right out. But this was in, like, February, so it didn't have anything to do with Halloween. Hang on...it might have been on St. Valentine's Day.
Yes some witches/occult members do use various items as a point of contact to attempt to send a spell.
It is good to hear that you have no experience in this area because it's not something most people would want to deal with. I thank God for allowing me to overcome all evil.
God bless you man.
Wow! This must be the truth, it's all bolded!
Oh, I know. The witches that I know use various items like envelopes and postage stamps when they want to send a spell. But most of them only use those items for special occasions, like Valentine's Day, and just use items like computer keyboards for the everyday stuff, like arranging who is going to bring the goats' blood to the picnic (not Scorpionella, please--she always uses the canned stuff, which everyone knows is tainted with sheep's blood and monosoduim glutamate).
After getting one of those e-spells by mistake, I tell you what, I don't want to go to their picnics unless I can bring my own drink.
Im guessing that almost every Friday somewhere, in some bar anywhere ,in the world someone will see a demon, or believe they may be an angel
And some people are just plain scary with or without a sanctioned holiday
I think you are just paranoid. Belief in invisible friends can do that to a person. ;(
Great post heavenbound. Satan is very deceitful. Making Halloween to appear innocent. It may be fun to dress up in cute Halloween costumes, but people need to learn the true meaning of halloween. I don't need take another person word for it, but do some research about it on my own. Thanks for sharing those links heavenbound.
Halloween is short for All Hallows Evening, another way of saying the Eve of All Saints. That and the following All Saints' Day have been observed by most Christians worldwide as occassions to remember all the saints who've passed on before us and to draw lessons from their lives.
what halloween is today has very little to do with what the original idea was. today it's about having fun, spending time with your kids and eating candy. even christians these days realize this. relax and enjoy it.
I wouldn't say we "celebrate" Halloween...I'd say we enjoy congregating/fellowship with others, candy, and having fun! Just because we're Christians doesn't mean we're boring!
As I was told back in the day by my grandmother is that Halloween was the only day of the year that beggars were allowed to go door to door to beg for food. I don't know if this has to do with christian faith or not. It is something that we just stuck too. We handed out food not candy. We could go out and trick or treat but we never was told it had to do with demons. It was just a night of fun and getting food. I know other people think otherwise, but each has their own theory of this and I do respect that. Its a holiday, be happy.
sorry confused but WHAT????????????????????????????????
It is for the children's sake. What other reason would you think? Whatever its history, that doesn't matter. What matters is how people see it today.
Don't start some fundamentalist drive to stop Halloween. Its a great holiday for the rest of us.
First, How are you?
Now, you knew this was eventually going to turn into a discussion on the negative symbolism of Halloween and why Christians and only Christians shouldn't celebrate it when you read it...
So, don't get irritated with what I am bound to say.
The past is the past. Our cultural traditions are the product of a varied history. You aren’t worshiping Halloween, you aren’t sacrificing to Halloween, and you aren’t listening to Sunday sermons on the holiness of Halloween. It’s a silly holiday for the kids.
I doubt you deny yourself a day off for Memorial Day, July 4th and every other secular holiday. What’s your beef with Halloween? It isn’t a day off, it isn’t a barbecue. It’s fun for the kids. Is kids having fun anti Christian? Are you only against it because there isn’t usually anything in it for the adults? I notice the only holidays fundamentalists complain about are the ones for the kids.
Halloween was never a big tradition in New Zealand anyway when my kids were small, but in recent years the commercialism of the corporate fat cats has reared its head and the 'Celtic' tradition has been revived.
( I wrote a cool hub about Halloween Customs)
I notice many churches are throwing Celebratatory type dances and encouraging the collective gathering of families to feast in thanksgiving of harvest/provisions etc.
I guess I passed on a tradition of thanksgiving minus the blood and freaks
Although it evolved from older religious traditions, modern Halloween is a secular holiday without spiritual significance. The whole reason it's gotten to be a big deal is because it artificially extends the "holiday shopping season."
It's not for the children's sake, it's for the retailers.
Yea ,just another prop for Commercialism to breed and flourish. Like Christmas.
No. I disagree. If you allow yourself to be driven by the need to keep up, show off, be seen as affluent; or if appearances are important, that would be true.
They're great holidays to me. Halloween is about creativity and imagination. I'd never buy a costume, you make one up. Even if its a lousy one, its yours. Kids have fun doing it.
Christmas? It's all about giving of yourself. Thinking of others first. It's a wonderful opportunity to help kids learn that there is more joy to giving, than receiving.
I'm with Emile on this...as a kid, I never thought about anything other than dressing up in something we came up with ourselves, and going begging for candy. I didn't know about the historical reason for it, and still don't know that much, to tell you the truth, because I don't care!
Same for my own kids, and now my grand-kids. Yeah, it's gotten commercial, just like other holidays, Christian or not, but you don't have to succumb to all of that stuff. I don't put up a single Halloween decoration, and never have, but it doesn't bother me if anyone else does.
I enjoy it for the reason Emile said--spending time being creative, coming up with cute or scary costumes for kids AND adults who want them.
Halloween is for anyone who just wants to have fun--why try to ruin it by digging into the past for all the reasons why Christians shouldn't like to celebrate it?
Now, I'm going back to working on the "corpse bride" outfit I trying to finish!
Any sincere Christian who esteems Halloween or christmas or any other type of holiday, and are fully convinced in their own mind of its uncleanness will discover or create other ways to be creative with their children.
One certainly does not need halloween to be creative with their kids.
It all depends on what a person wants or where their desires are. If someone chooses to ignore the truth about something and continue to do it, then their heart must lay there. For people who are sincere in their walk with God, perceived minor things that the world doesn't care about will become important to the christian, but to each in their own time as their relationship with him grows.
You never cease to amaze me... Your comment is full of the wisdom of God.
Bless you Bro.... Bless You
Never in my widest dreams did I ever think I would agree with you Kiwi.
Oh ye of little faith j/k agree with me ,agree with me
The greed of corporate fat cats irritate me ,but I am guilty of buying into their 'pretty tantalising' sales and specials.
I dont know ,its the hypocrisy ..think this ,but do that kinda mentality.
Aside from all of that hoop la, I really love the fall ,the colours, just amazing!
I agree. It was all about candy when I was a kid, now its all about how much the retailer can sell. While Halloween is moving into full force, they will place all of the Christmas goodies comfortably on the shelves.
It's of no spiritual significance to the retailers. To most Christians and to even non-Christians in a variety of cultures, the time from Halloween/Samhain through All Souls' Day/Dia de los Muertos or whatever those days happen to be called is a special time to remember the dead and celebrate their lives and legacy. There is some fun involved, but when Halloween is done right, the fun is balanced with a little respectful solemnity- something greedy peddlers of pure commercialistic hedonism as well as general miscreants who fancy any opportunity to wreak havoc do not grasp.
Even the pagans I know don't like how a time intended for something as harmless as rembering deceased loved ones has been stripped of meaning and corrupted by some into something evil.
Halloween is just plan fun and I love it. It's my favorite holiday and my best friend's birthday. Every year we have a big party (costumes optional, heck clothing is optional for that matter, I'm very open minded) with psychics, astrologers, and all sorts of new age metaphysical types. Angel and tarot cards are read, fortunes told, horoscopes cast, you can even get a reiki attunment (best friend is a reiki master), and everybody always has a great time. I think halloween has become more for adults than kids these days.
I have a few pagan and wiccan friends for whom the day has spiritual significance, and I would never disrespect that, but I'm neither pagan nor wiccan, so for me, I revel in the ghastly commercialism, and enjoy the wounderful opportunity to get dressed up and let my fangs down.
Christmas and Easter have pagan origins as well, but this does not stop Christians from enjoying them. It is the meaning that such Christians attach to them which is important. A Christian enjoying Hallowe'en does not make them a pagan.
I agree with Wentworth35....I am Christian and have had some fun Halloween parties for the kid's sake. My boyfriend's birthday happens to be October 31 and we celebrate it like a birthday bash...not like a pagan holiday.
It is odd, that Hallowe'en has Scottish origins, yet has been made big by the USA. I don't remember Hallowe'en being celebrated in England when I was a child. It was with the Halloween films, that I first became aware of it. In the past couple of years, there has been the trick or treat phenomena introduced in my neighbourhood. Why do the kids always expect a treat, yet never have any tricks planned? Personally, if I had children, I wouldn't want them accepting sweets from strangers.
Usually, when a child goes to the door, they say "Trick or Treat". What it means is if you don't give them a treat, you could have a trick played on you. When I was young it meant kids going around toilet papering houses, soaping windows, harmless things like that. Of course, some kids got a little carried away at times and did other stuff that weren't really appreciated, lol.
As far as accepting candy from strangers...I grew up in a very small town--500 people--so we knew everyone, so there were no strangers. In bigger cities, some hospitals offer to x-ray any candy. And most cities offer alternatives to going house to house, like trick or treating at malls, or parties for the kids, so they get to dress up and still have fun and get candy.
Most people love handing out candy to kids, and never once in my 52 years have I ever known anyone who was hurt or had gotten sick from accepting it--that includes myself, my kids, and now my grand-kids...
But I do understand why some parents play it safe, especially in bigger cities.
"Most people love handing out candy to kids, and never once in my 52 years have I ever known anyone who was hurt or had gotten sick from accepting it--that includes myself, my kids, and now my grand-kids."
That's because nobody has been hurt by candy they got from the neighbors while trick or treating. Nobody, not ever.
There have been exactly zero cases of a kid being randomly poisoned by halloween candy. There has been exactly one case of a kid dying from poisoned candy on Halloween, and the kid was poisoned deliberately, by his father, for insurance money. There has been one case of a kid getting into his uncle's heroin stash on Halloween, and the family put some of the leftover heroin on some of the kid's candy to cover up for the uncle.
So, in spite of my joke above, nobody has ever been poisoned at random via Halloween candy, or bit into a razor-infested apple, or anything like it.
Thank you, Jeff--I had no idea! It's good to know that there isn't as much "evil" in Halloween as some people seem to think.
To the ones who won't let their kids celebrate Halloween...please reconsider, for their sakes. Let them have the fun of joining in with other kids, to dress up in a costume(it doesn't have to be a devil or demon, or anything like that) and well, just be a KID for a night, doing what kids do best--having a good time with their friends...
Not only does a kid not have to dress up as anything evil, if you really want to be overtly Christian while dressing up for Halloween, dress as a Saint. Or if doing something so overtly Catholic offends your Protestant sensibilities, choose a historical personage from the Reformation or someone else who set an example you deem worth emulating. In my family, we've had at various points dressed as St. Brigid, St. Gavin, St. Elizabeth, archangels Michael and Gabriel, and one of my favorites, St. Florian in modern firefighting turnouts.
Well, if we are going to start posting videos; this is the only one I have ever seen that made me question if Halloween was truly evil, or not.
It’s Better to Give Than Receive
If your kids are just determined to go door to door on October 31st, do something a bit different.
* Dress up as Bible Heroes
* Politely refuse any candy offered to you.
* Instead, give out candy wrapped in the witnessing stickers to every home that you visit.
In other words use the holiday to indoctrinate children.
Gee what a great idea!
Well, that's one way to kill Halloween. A year or two of that and there wouldn't be a porch light on anywhere.
and how would that hurt? The time wasted on halloween would be better spent in so many other ways.
Look at all the pollution caused by special packaging and the material used on those costumes and the pumpkins that could be sent to feed starving children, the candy is just a sugar product anyway, cheap and bad for the teeth
halloween is like, so ridiculous
can't see the positive in this...
you're so negative.
how can you stand it?
No different than the candy and "pollution caused by special packaging and the material used" in producing Christmas and Easter stuff but I celebrate those holidays anyway even though they are completely rediculous. At least Halloween is a celebration of the harvest, like Thanksgiving.
And this type of Christianity is like, so droll. The alter of Molech? When was the last time you passed one of those, exactly? I think, those who truly believe in God enjoy the holiday simply because they live in the real world. They have no reason to perpetuate bizarre fantasies so they can stare down their nose at the rest of us. They actually enjoy letting kids be kids.
that's a nice ecumenical approach.
The same type of thinking that you criticize the church for you now endorse because its something that you do. You tell christians to stop being hypocrites and yet you say halloween is no problem. Honestly i don't know what side of the fence you sit on, on any given day.
Staring down the nose is not an aspect of christianity. The principle is there for all to see and this halloween is blatantly obvious. To me it is a glorious revelation of purer devotion, to those that don't have that revelation i trust that one day they will. The more seperate we become from the pollutions of the world, spiritually speaking, the better our witness <-- noun usage). For example, christmas, i witness <--verb usage, more during christmas than any other time of year, because when i say i don't celebrate christmas, a lot of doors open to speak of christ. Lots of people say christmas is a headache. Christ can free them of automatically rolling with the holidays.
If halloween is a criteria for christians to be happy, well, i just don't think it is.
You must have me mixed up with someone else. I don't criticize the church for endorsing reasonable and rational behavior. I actually condone the approach.
I agree. It's blatantly obvious that the institution of Christianity took a holiday that had some significance in the worship of 'false gods'; convinced the local population that they were false, and everybody decided to use the day to celebrate Catholicism. When the church broke up some decided that there was absolutely no purpose to the celebration that has anything to do with religion, so they gave it to the kids for fun. Fun. It isn't an ungodly concept.
Trust me, humanity's revelations transcend this odd devotion to the god of no change. The world is constantly changing. If there is a God, that's by design. Failure to accept, adapt and attempt to understand the process does not give that deity any glory. It denies the plan. As one other fundamentalist poetically put it 'You thumb your nose at God.'
Considering the quality of your witness, I believe you might consider reconsidering your analysis.
fun.. ahh yes fun.. there are two kinds of fun, godly fun and ungodly fun. One needs to know the difference.
You don't criticize the church for 'rational and reasonable' behavior but you never talk about that kind of behavior either when you are criticizing the church and or its christians. I know because i have responded to your generalities and assumptive critiques.
Trust me. God cannot change because truth does not change. Sinful activity is sinful activity, and it has bad repercussions then as it does today and this is what defines the unchanging attributes of God.
one day you might get it
over and out
I do have hopes that I will one day 'get it'. I'm not so optimistic for those who refuse to stare into the face of reality and see how wonderful it truly is.
That's not a response at all. Perhaps you need to stare into that post for a while longer and let the reality of that bite ya.
I can imagine that your reality is wonderful because you have made it that way, wonderful job of watering, twisting, ignoring, compromising and making up your own reality and of course it serves you well. You don't put things in proper perspective, don't speak out against stuff, just roll with every wave and tide that otherwise, if you were christian, you might actually have to take a stand, speak up against things that do not promote a pure religion and a christ like path.
Christian reality is what the bible says it is. God did not want his people blending or delving, practicing or even going near ungodliness. God went to lengths to wipe this sort of thing out and yet there are still some splashing around in it.
There's christianity for ya, in your face of reality.
Letting your imagination run away with you is something you appear to do quite often. I haven't had any luck pointing out reality in the past. Not sure I could get you to see the truth now. And I wouldn't even try, on this point. My life is none of your business.
I think, the more accurate statement would be I don't subscribe to your belief structure.And I do speak out against that, simply because I don't respect religion whose purpose is to serve the egos of men. I don't subscribe to philosophies of hatred toward humanity. I don't consider it a path walked by the Christ.
Until you can see the truth, you will be destined to wallow in the ego driven belief that your personal interpretation was meant to be shoved in the face of others and claimed to be God's word. I don't know any other way to explain this other than to say you are wrong. It's your interpretation, and a poor one at that.
Yes, continue to ignore every word in the gospels. You wouldn't want to deviate at this late date.
So I've come to know. How sad.
I don`t think its sad, what would be sad is that if the things you purport - i agreed with. I thank God for all of my study time and understanding because then i might share some of the deceptions you do. Thankfully I walk 10 feet in from the line of safety and not on the line.
The black and white is hard to agree with, i know, but it is there, the important thing to remember is that each person as a personal relationship with God and He is the one who reveals and causes change and not the natural mind of humans, but since you can`t possibly know Him, by your own confession, How will He reveal himself to you or even what His standards are.
God is the difference and in that, you lack sadly.
So I`ve come to know.
have a nice day
For pity's sake. Ego posturing needs to end on these forums. When can it be expected for you to take things seriously and stop posting fanciful fairy tales? I admit, they are always good for a laugh but you do realize it is impossible to believe you expect anyone to give more than a chuckle toward your posts?
Sinful activity that has changed through the millenia:
Slavery, once condoned and promoted by God is not longer acceptable at all and is now a sin.
Divorce and remarriage; denied by God is now accepted by the vast majority of people, religious or not. Few will agree that is still sinful.
Murder of innocent people: condoned and promoted as well as carried out by God but is no longer accepted as it is obviously sinful.
Capital punishment for minor crimes: Condoned and promoted by God is no longer accepted. It is murder and thus sinful.
These things are or were terrible sins where the definition of sin has changed. God has changed His mind; He has become civilized (at least more than He was).
The slavery thing has been discussed - god won out over the
attitude of the southern slavers, Him being more gentler and kinder with an added law of mandatory liberty even 7 years, plus, the meaning of the word slave has been revealed to be servant, bond servant.
Divorce was not revoked by God. Fornication means when they
found out the hymen was broken. Virgins were marriable, non
virgins weren't. This is what 'except for fornication' means,
it has nothing to do with screwin around later in the
marriage. Jesus amplified the law of marriage. Nowadays
people divorce, split up, separate because it is a normal
thing to do. God made two people too become as one.
Murder of innocent people. There were no innocent people. In
the OT every nation fought, armies were a common means of
employment and they were important to the survival of the
country. Borders were not fixed like they are today. Lands
changed ownership to the victor. Today things are much
different. Alberta has not warred on B.C for many many
decades now. Nothing has changed Murder is still wrong in
Gods sight but on TV it has become a money making tool.
God or rather the law did condone capital punishment. As i
have said before the Hebrews were slaves prior to being in
the wilderness, while in the wilderness, nomading around it
would be difficult to set up a jail, in tents, for people
with 30 yrs sentences. while fighting for their promised land
after they obtained the land, we notice they do not start
wars anymore but are attacked frequently. At the end of the
book of joshua God has set up strategic safe cities where
people who were innocent of a charge could flee to until a solution, but still no jail. Capital punishment for sins will be handed out at
the White Throne Judgment.
God has not changed his mind. Judgment will be based upon
these sinful things. Since the Law through christ was
fulfilled that structure is over with and christ having
become the final sacrifice and shedding his blood as the way
and the truth ushered in the dispensation of Grace and spirit
that non believers whine about. If not for Jesus they and us
would be either sacrificing or smelling animal flesh.
He didn't become civilized, he foresaw the changing of the times and knew that the end of the old system had to change for many reasons and He accommodated what was to be marvelously.
This is what i really think. I posted the above because i thought it was cute.
Sure just sprinkle a little incense on the altar of molech. Is it not such a little bit? What harm can it do?
I don't think harm is the point at least not physical harm.
I think hypocrisy is the point.
We can attach whatever christian attitude we want to halloween but that does not sanctify it nor make it acceptable to God. I am sure that God does not downplay halloween nor does he forget its origins or its purpose today. God told us what days and holy days to celebrate and halloween is not in the list.
Yes, it's much better to do purely Christian things, like cut down a tree and bring it into the home, and hang mistletoe over the door, and do our best to make sure the people in the stores will get fired if they say "Happy Holidays" to us when we're out preparing for the annual visit of a magical elf.
Or maybe we should take part in the purely Christian ritual of worshipping a rabbit that hides eggs for us to find in the springtime? Or the other purely Christian ritual of eviscerating the corpse of a turkey, filling it full of bread and bitter herbs, and putting it in a hot oven for a long time, and consuming the flesh thereof in celebration of our prosperity. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's in the Bible. Isn't it in Pligrims 2:15-19?
Or maybe we should take part in the purely Christian ritual of blowing stuff up on the fourth day of July to celebrate the anniversary of the day a secular republic wasn't actually founded on?
Easter etc are catholic adopted and restructured holidays to jive with pagan practices. Mistletoe and holly and the tree are purely pagan rituals and have no place in christianity, its called nature worship.
glad you understand the wrongs of these traditions but i have to assert, they are not christian by origin, sad i am to report, christians think little of their deception.
For instance, biblically, Christians are to give whenever, all the time, year round, spontaneously... Christmas teaches one day a year and by santa not God. Christmas has a lot of economic problems, re: credit cards and debt. There's more but i am not going to worry about that right now.
fireworks are evil on a 'green' level
Santa Claus comes from the name of St. Nicholas, and anyone who thinks Christmas "teaches" to give only one day of the year hasn't been paying attention.
Well, what can i say about teaches... You seem to think of it as, in the sense of a classroom teaching, where i rather meant that christmas statically says, give, but that it does not purport to put an emphasis on the pattern of biblical giving.
What the bible says/teaches about giving and how often and when, is nothing close to what the christmas event says about giving.
And st. nicholas isn't mentioned in the bible, although, and i am just supposing it is yet another one of the many, many catholic saints.
You do realize that only God can make a saint and nothing else.
Its not about spoiling anyones fun
Trust me I love candy just as much now (maybe more) than when I was a kid.
But of course ,originally candy didnt even feature in Halloween at all.
It was Fall,harvest produce ie pumpkins n such.
Maybe dressing up and the whole 'spookyiness' theme lets us relive childhood again.
I also think we as humans just love an excuse to celebrate/party If it wasnt Halloween ,we would no doubt find something else to 'pimp'
I'll answer this as a Catholic CHRISTian We celebrate Halloween to contradict the pagan rituals of that day.
From what I learned, Halloween was derived from Samhain, a Celtic Irish tradition. It marks the Celtic New Year -- the end of summer and the preparation for winter. It is also after dinner, that the witching hour begins. According to folklore, this is the time when the sphere which divides our world and the spiritual realms are opened and can be crossed. So, there are these ghosts, the lost souls ... Also, this is the time when pagan rituals are performed.
This happened way long ago before the Catholics invaded the Celts. By 800's Pope Boniface IV ordered that Samhain be All Saints' Day and All Souls Day. Everyone was encouraged to have a long huge dinner that turned into feasts with neighbors and with the table laden with many goodies with many bonfires to drive bad spirits away and all were dressed up as their favorite saints and angels. So, it's happy halloween!
Christian's do not celebrate Haloween. They do recognise All Saints and All Souls day but do not celebrate them.
Why Americans get excited by kids and candy on that day is a different question.
ive never heard of all saints day or all souls day.
It sounds catholic to me.
Perhaps that is why i missed it.
I will be so happy when people stop mixing catholic and all its pagan doctrines and rituals with christianity.
Ignorance is acceptable.
Still Halloween is not christian
In 1652 the Puritan parliament in Britain abolished Christmas. Hezekiah Woodward, in a tract of 1656 calls Christmas day ' The old Heathens feasting day, in honour of saturn, their Idol-God, the Papists' Massing day, The profane man's Ranting day, the Superstitious Man's Fasting Day.....we are persuaded, no one thing more hindereth the Gospel work al the year long, than doth doth the observation of that Idol Day once in a year, having so many days of cursed observation with it'.
In 1659 in Puritan Massachusetts the General court fined people for observing Christmas and decred "Anybody found who is found observing, by abstinence of labour, feasting, or in any other way, any such days as Christmas day, shal pay for the offence five shillings."
Left to the Puritans, we would have every day of fun abolished, not just Halloween but even Christmas.
Who cares that feast days and saints days also share their days with other beliefs? It doesn't threaten or undermine Christianity. In fact it can have unifying effects which is a good thing!
We have Bonfire Night in England, also called Guy Faulks Night on the 5th of November, which is a much bigger celebration than Halloween traditionally. We have huge bonfires and fireworks and burn an effigy of the man who tried and failed to blow up Parliament. Bit morbid I know. You should see what they did to the actual Guy Faulks.
My family are Catholic but they have always celebrated bonfire night and had a pretty good bomb-making competition every year. (That part probably is frowned upon these days.)
I'll be happy when the various Christian franchises stop calling each other non-Christians. It'll cut down on a lot of the strife in the world.
Stereotypes are annoying ,seems theres a label for everyone..
Well we need names to categorize.
I for one do enjoy when people say christians are to blame for the inquisition... now, that was entirely a catholic endeavor, it wasn't a baptist, presbyterian or pentecostal or even mormon.
Often i am glad there are franchises.
And protestants never did anything inquisitorial? Like burning Catholics, for example? (Lots of Catholics were burned alive by Protestant inquisitors) Or cutting the ears off of dissenters? (Happened in the Plymouth colony.)
Sorry, mate, Protestants are just as guilty of atrocities to unbelievers as Catholics are.
is this just your opinion or what?
Lizzieboo posted some interesting stuff about puritans just above. Puritans are reported to have been a mix of separatists and anglican, anglican is a rigid form of catholic.
The point of the post, however, is not who is to blame for what but that we get our terminologies correct, putting blame accurately where it belongs and having 'franchise' names, helps to do this.
I've never heard of protestant burning of catholics, enlighten me please.
Well, lets think. Henry VIII ordered the slaughter of 30,000 northerners in England for wanting to remain true Catholics. Whole villages of men, women and children were hanged. Thomas Cramner and Thomas Cromwell rooted out Catholics supporters across the country and had them tortured and put to death. Elizabeth I was responsible for thousands of tortures and executions of Catholics. More than at any time in history. Oliver Cromwell order the massacre of 3000 Catholics in Ireland. From the Reformation until 1828 Catholics didn't have the vote in Britain and couldn't attend university until the 1880s. At the time of the Spanish inquisition, England burned 300 women for 'witchcraft', or in other words, secretly practicing Catholicism.
The whole Bonfire plot was a setup to show Catholics what would happen if they tried to uprise about the law forbidding them from owning land.
Puritans, incidentally, get their name from "purifying the church of its Catholicism". Their ideology is more similar to the Taliban than anything else.
The Catholics have indulged in a fair amount of burning too though. But not as much, as it happens. Just under 300, to be precise.
"is this just your opinion or what?"
No. It's history.
"The point of the post, however, is not who is to blame for what but that we get our terminologies correct, putting blame accurately where it belongs"
Wait, what? I'm just trying to parse that....
The point is not "who to blame for what," but to "put blame accurately where it belongs?"
Does anybody else have a hard time finding the functional difference there?
"Puritans, incidentally, get their name from "purifying the church of its Catholicism". Their ideology is more similar to the Taliban than anything else."
Erm...perhaps in their utter lack of tolerance for dissenters, yeah.
I'm a Christian...and I LOVE Halloween. For those who think Halloween is evil or demonic or whatever, you've been drinking WAAAY too much of your own particular religion's Kool-Aid. This is why so many, many Christians have to keep their faith under wraps, because they are embarassed by the nuts and zealots who see evil in everything and say something ridiculous every time they open their mouths.
Perhaps if you see evil in everything, you need to look within yourself instead.
I don't love Halloween ,but I love the concept of celebrating Fall .
Many people do not even know how and where the tradition come from,and just love a good party
Most kids love to dress up and fantasise though ,so I also understand that concept.
Why do Christians celebrate Halloween?
Jesus and Mary never celebrated Halloween.
Imagine if we could dress up for thanks-giving.Turkeys galore ,well I guess we already got the gobble thing down
The Christians should not celebrate Halloween; Jesus never celebrated it.
I could care less what Jesus celebrated. Halloween is older than Jesus and never made it to the Middle East, so no wonder he never celebrated it.
Its ok for Christians to celebrate Halloween to a certain extent, but a healthy distance from it is a good thing.
brotheryochanan is right that it would nice be encourage children to imitate saints rather than devils, although the appeal of Halloween for children is the thrill of being scared. That will always be there, regardless of what adults do.
The important thing is that Halloween is a game and not about taking devilish things seriously. Dressing up as monsters and running about at night, candles and bonfires and the nostalgia of pumkins and autumn leaves can be great, harmless fun.
However, a great deal of harm can be done by letting children get involved in satanic practices...obviously.
I bet Jesus never drank Bushmills Irish Whiskey, either, but that doesn't change its beautiful smoothness.
If you're prone to alcoholism, you probably shouldn't drink it. But most folks will be fine, if they want to enjoy a nice glass of good whiskey once in a while.
By the same token, if you're prone to worshipping demons, maybe you shouldn't celebrate Halloween. But most folks will probably be fine if they want to dress like pirates or jedi knights and go around and ask their neighbors for candy at the end of October.
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