Taliban stoned and shot 2 women for adultery...
How cone no-one is talking about this?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-15688354
This is Sharia law at work, PROVING to the world how "merciful" Allah is,
and how women are considered equal, or should I say valued.
I invite my Muslim hubbers to justify this. PLEASE show us how this is GOOD, and ACCEPTABLE behaviour.
I can hardly wait!
Perhaps, you should be adding the relative bits...
"Look everyone, these guys are committing similar atrocities my religions followers committed in the name of their God, please show us how this is GOOD, and ACCEPTABLE behavior."
"[Stoning] is, however NOT a command for Christians. "
Really?
“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Matthew 5:17-19
Well, at least you'll be in the kingdom of Heaven, even if you'll be picking up dog poop off the clouds.
Yes, really!
How about this one, then;
John 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
Jesus FULFILLED the Law.
What a stupid comment from a seemingly intelligent antagonist.
to you for saying it.If there'd been a dude without sin in that crowd, that lady woulda got a bunch of rocks thrown at her.
"Jesus FULFILLED the Law."
"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
Matthew 5:18
So, am I right in concluding that you believe "all [is] fulfilled" at this time?
Thank you for the compliment, btw.That was Jesus' point, there were NONE there without sin, except Jesus, and He was not throwing stones! Yes He did!
This still stands today.
No, you would not be correct.
Jesus fulfilled the righteous requirements of the law, so we don't have to. (We live by faith, in His grace). The quote you gave is for all of scripture to be fulfilled, which clearly is not yet.
Thank you for the condescension.
I am not sure this matters to someone who embraces a culture that blames the woman wearing sexy clothing for getting herself raped, instead of holding the rapist responsible for his actions. Always looking for an excuse by re-assigning the blame to remain the 'truthful and peaceful' religion,
To start out with for that particular riot you were a child so you get off on that one
I don't care for the influence that competitive sports has had on society, I think that is actually worse then the riots that have happened. I find it sick that grown men complain that their not earning enough when they are earning millions. I know it can be dangerous, in that an injury could end a career but boo hoo. Playing games shouldn't be considered a career in the first place. Back in the day sportsmen had to have real jobs too, it sorta made them more respectable. Too watch a game isn't the same as worshiping sports (and society today could be said to worship sports). Far as I can see, watching a game or two with friends and nibbles is not unlike trying to be a good person in relation to religion (as being a good person is to religion, so to is watching a game for fun to sports). Now if your gonna tell me that your team is better then mine, yes you might as well pick up a crow bar and start rioting right now as far as I am concerned. By the way, I don't have a preferred team any more then I do religion (with one exception, the kids at the school where I work, because I know them personally).
Not really, I was a girl scout back in the day (ahh the god old days LOL). Don't think girl scouts have ever started a war, or committed rape or murder, or anything more then selling yummy fattening cookies
Point is, I wont join a group that is so easily corrupted that it has been used to justify criminal acts. I am happy to join groups that don't distribute power and authority to some over others. Sure the girl scouts have an adult leader but that is not a peer in power but someone who in theory has earned the right to the respect of authority (in those cases where pedo's have abused kids in scouts, that is not the fault of scouts, thats just criminals looking to commit sick crimes). If the scouts put one kid over others, I would run like the wind to get away from that.I really enjoyed our conversation
It was nice to chat in real terms, not the usual I'm right and your wrong thing. It was nice to be asked about an aspect of what I believe in solid terms I could respond to. You and I may not agree on issues of responsibility of the group by the group as a whole when talking about groups like religions (or political for that matter!) groups but it wasn't a who is right and who is wrong conversation. You were trying to challenge my beliefs and that is a good thing, it means I can explore my own beliefs more deeply, always a good thing!
I do like your house of mirrors analogy, I have found things/teachings in every religion I have studied that I have admired and found value in and I have found perverse teachings as well and find that very much of a house of mirrors thing. If you want to find good in a religion (any) you can, it's easy in most cases and chances are you will be a good person no matter which religion (if any) that you are brought up with or embrace some other way. So much seems to come down to what we want, what sort of person do we want to be? Not really an issue of what you believe so much as how you live tho, don't you think?
I don't know if there is a God or not. I do think that space is infinite and as such there are an infinite number of possibilities that have to be being played out somewhere (multiple big bangs and all that), if so then the fact that a God could be a possibility would mean that somewhere the possibility exists as reality. So lets assume a God does exist, does it really care what we believe over how we live? It just doesn't make sense to me. It makes a lot more sense that any God or Gods that may exist, they are unlikely to interfere with our beliefs because of how those bad apples will abuse that interference to wicked ends. It seems better not to give us any more tools for our own destruction then we already have. It seems more likely that we are here to live our lives, make our choices and hopefully learn our lessons when we make poor choices and maybe even become better so we can say we lived a good life. To be honest, thats good enough for me
You are partially correct. I dislike religion with a passion. If they sanction or motivate behaviour such as described in the OP, I will attack that injustice!(
just for you)
Please show me references where these sorts of actions are deplored by Muslims.
Direct me to some threads that you have started addressing these issues. Otherwise, you are off topic.Sorry to disappoint you, and your condescending tone.
I wasn't proven wrong, nor am I too gutless to admit wrong.
The truth is, this thread has been dead for about nine months. I haven't spent any time researching to find information such as the links you supplied (which I asked for).
On another note, I don't get offended, period.
People here don't affect me in the least, esp antagonistic ones, such as yourself.
But, my last point stands. Consider yourself ignored! (since you like my smileys).
Now if this was stoned as in what you get if you puff of the wacky baccy, I might convert to Islam! LOL (not really, my anti-religious beliefs preclude that but joking about it is fine
)If you must!
Two women suffered a humiliating death, FOR WHAT?
And you care to joke about that? Or did I misunderstand your comment altogether?
- Emile Rposted 12 years ago
0 - icountthetimesposted 12 years ago0
Good question considering stoning only seems to happen now in Islamic states…..
Spanking to death, how sickning! And the bible does say, spare the rod and spoil the child. I have always wondered why the bible doesn't talk to much about respecting our kids but commands they give the respect they may not actually be getting in return. I think I was once quoted from the bible something about how harming a child harms god more then most other sins but as its a he says she says sort of thing and I have not been able to find this verse to use when I meet a fundie who thinks God wants them to abuse their kids. I really wish people could separate this idea of being a good person and religion.
Hi Jeff, sorry I didn't see your post earlier (I am sure time zones are to blame LOL). I have not heard the passage you quoted exactly as you quoted, I suspect perhaps because of different interpretations and translations of the text?
I think if your interpretation had been used instead it would be harder to turn into something that can be used to justify child abuse. It is clear and concise, not a metaphor to be interpreted but simply a statement about the basics of being a good parent. So much of the bible is supposed to be taken as metaphor these days, it makes it hard for someone like me to take it with the seriousness that the various religions would like.
The funny thing is if you simply posted your interpretation in a thread about parenting, I would be in total agreement, 100%, but the biblical quote is very likely to evoke emotions very unrelated to the issue of parenting and child abuse and while your point would be the exact same , the reaction you would get would be very different because I don't believe in the bible. I guess you could say I think religion confuses things that are simple with ideas about God and such and I find that dangerous. When we cut through the differences we may have we find we agree on the basic concept that disciplining a child is important but abusing them is as dangerous or more dangerous then no discipline at all. If religion isn't a part of the conversation we can often start out agreeing, right off the batWell your reply got buried in my inbox (that happens when I get 60+ emails come down telling me who replied to what). You say if something is true it's true and shouldn't matter where it comes from. I can totally agree with that but what I don't understand is why mix up these basic truths with what could be called superstition? If I say to you that to beat your children is abuse and so is neglecting their need for discipline and limits to test we can agree and get on with the job of practicing this sort of truth. If I instead tell you that my God the flying spaghetti monster will drown you in moldy fermenting sauce and overcooked noodles (a horrific hell, I can assure you LOL) if you don't care for your children properly (like you need the lesson, NOT) we could easily fall into an argument. Is this the real purpose of religion? To give us reasons to argue about stuff that we could easily have just agreed on otherwise?
It is my experience that this is exactly what religion does to those who cannot free themselves from the knee jerk reaction to argue when told what to do/how to live. I think the best of us can and do fall for that trap. I suspect you are like me in some ways, I suspect that you are living your life to the best of your abilities, trying to be a good person and I bet that we have simply had different paths that lead us to this effort. Religion must have been a positive part of your path (unless I am wrong and you aren't trying to live the best life you can hehe) where as for me, it has been a destructive element. I have never seen anything else that can make a good person do bad things other then religion. It is sad because there are so many good people in every religion and many of them can't don't or won't see the good in the other religious people because it might somehow hurt their own beliefs (like those beliefs are more important then the lessons those beliefs are trying to impart). I somehow don't think a God of love would create such a divisive thing as religion
It may shake it's metaphorical head with sorrow that we just HAD to complicate what are in truth simple matters and feel joy whenever we see past the BS.
Somewhat off topic...
Can you help me with a bible quote?
I read the bible cover to cover when I was much younger but don't remember much of it (reading lineages for instance kinda went in one ear and out the other as irrelevant). I remember a passage that went something a long the lines of "When so ever 2 people gather in my name, that is church". Am I remembering something not actually in the bible or is it in there? (that saying is as close to church as I get)
It's not adultery if you're married....
- Fair point.
It's not adultery if you're married to the person you're doing it with, is what I meant."May be when men get stoned the media does not cover it, as such incident does not carry much sensation."
I dunno, to my mind, anyone getting stoned to death is pretty sensational and horrid.
"I remember that one of my friend told me not to ever go to USA, as it is a country of serial killers who will kill you, just to increase their score."
That's not true! Some of us are cowboys and lifeguards! But you point about the media choosing which stories to promote and which stories to bury is well taken; we would all do well to remember that life in other countries is probably very different from what we imagine, and probably a lot more like life in our own country than we think.
It helps if you have the opportunity to live abroad for a while.I don't mind cowboys and certainly not the lifeguards but still the alien ones disturb me
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