Is lashing a more Humane way to deal with Women who committ Adultery

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   theirishobserver.posted 14 years ago

   The son of an Iranian woman who faces death by stoning for adultery said authorities have imposed a new sentence of 99 lashes.

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      Ivorwenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      What about the man who committed adultery with her?  It takes two to tango.

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         lrohnerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         What about innocent until proven guilty? Here's a novel concept... What about it's their own personal business?
         
         Sheesh. And they wonder why the muslims or islamists or whatever the heck they call themselves have a bad reputation.

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      IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Which can lead to her death through infection, shock, and blood loss.  I really see no difference here.  This barbaric philosophy of theirs really saddens my heart.  My prayers go out to her.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Why don't the so-called Muslims who are in America and other countries go to Iran and live THERE and FIGHT politically or literally for the human rights of that woman and others, instead of bringing the nonsense and terror here and to other God-fearing nations?

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         Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         That's right! We prefer home-grown, God-fearing nonsense and terror.

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         Sylvie Strongposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         This is really a remarkable post.  The 2-7 million American muslims, or "so-called" muslims as you call it, should get on planes and go to Islamic theocracies to fight for justice?  They should do that rather than spreading terror and nonsense here? 
         
         I don't know where to begin.  What terror and "nonsense" are 2-7 million American muslims guilty of?  Is that the exercise of their faith, trying to raise their families, operating businesses or working at jobs in order to secure a retirement or better future for their children, participating in our political process?  Which of these activities is terrorism in your mind?  Why should Americans do anything other than the activities I've enumerated?  Are you also going to move to another country and fight for justice, or are you going to stay here and live your life?

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            IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I am curious as to why Brenda is choosing to ignore your post. 
            
            I would really like to know their answers to your very direct questions ask of them. 
            
            Brenda, what's the deal?  Too hot in the kitchen?

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         Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         You tell 'em Brenda!
         
         

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      qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Why "punish" at all for that which comes naturally to all mammals?
      We are here to propagate. To replenish the species.
      Chemistry and hormones are in contol.
      Only a conscious semi-intelligent creature that could create metaphysical monsters like monotheistic god things would consider punishing for an act that is a powerfully programmed genetic act necessary to insure mammalian survival.
      Comments?
      I hope so.

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   LaMamaLoliposted 14 years ago

   It's not a muslim thing though is it? I didn't think all muslim countries did it - just particular ones. Maybe I'm wrong... Whatever the case, it's wrong.

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      Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      They don't do it in Detroit! (Stoning or lashing, that is.)

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         Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Unless the Pistons win the NBA title, in which case many stones are cast..

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   theirishobserver.posted 14 years ago

   Lashes in 2010 - I dont know

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   klarawieckposted 14 years ago

   Is anything being done to prevent this from happening? Are signatures being collected?
   If you haven't seen the film The Stoning of Soraya M. You need to see it. It's a real story - sad, but it's part of the daily life of women who live in remote areas of Iran.

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      Wendy Krickposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      That was an incredibly sad movie. It was very heavy.

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   Evan G Rogersposted 14 years ago

   umm... is lashing more humane than stoning?
   
   ... yeah?
   
   What a ridiculous question!!!
   
   What's more humane, torturing someone to death, or just beating the crap out of someone?
   
   how bout this one: letting the people be free to make their own decisions and not relying on violence to influence human behavior.
   
   That sounds pretty humane to me!

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   Peter Hogganposted 14 years ago

   Not a rediculous question!
   
   What is ridiculous is that it is 2010 and this type of barbaric justice, if you can call it justice, is still practiced in some cultures.

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   Rajab Nsubugaposted 14 years ago

   What about the prisons in the U.S.A? I think there is nothing barbaric about the Law governing the land as long as it has the consensus of the population.

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      qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Rajab: The I think you'd better get a better understanding of the world barbaric.
      Much of mankind lives as it did 6000 yrs ago. BArbarism is still rife amongst the majority of humanity.
      Just because the "majority" agrees, does not make a punishment NOT barbaric.
      We humans are a violent lot. It's programming is deeply imbued in our predatory ilk.
      Contemporary humanity IS barbarically involved in it's own demise!

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   paradigmsearchposted 14 years ago

   "Is lashing a more Humane way to deal with Women who committ Adultery"
   
   How about closing this thread?

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   K Kissposted 14 years ago

   Alright people, before we get started with blaming Islam as a religion as a whole on the basis of whatever little knowledge many have over the religion ... you should know a number of things about the religion and the punishments it imposes.
   First of all, Islam originally imposed the punishment of "death by stoning" on those who committed adultery. Prima facie it may seem too harsh and raise the all too common question of trials etc.
   Let me clarify that though the punishment is indeed a part of the religion, so is the existence of 4 eye witnesses to the act (that is the act of adultery). This punishment falls under what in Islamic law is known as Hadd punishments which means punishments for crimes against God. One of the main offenses under Hadd is Zina which means adultery. However,very high demands are made with regard to evidence on zina. Four witnesses are required instead of the normal two, and they must testify as eyewitnesses to ‘unlawful intercourse’. Correspondingly, a confession of unlawful intercourse for hadd punishment must be made on four separate occasions.   
   
   And yes both men and women suffer the same verdict.

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      Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Sooooooo no punishment for voyeurism?  In fact it may entitle you to witness fees.

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         K Kissposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         exactly my point Ron... It's not everyday that 4 sane human beings will find themselves to be witnessing two other "non-married to each other" couple fornicating... that is why the test is very difficult to pass and Islam originally meant this to be dealt by God in the after life since finding such witnesses would indeed be a rare find...unless of course the participant(s) themselves confessed on 4 separate occasions.
         Regarding voyeurism...I need to look up whether there are any worldly punishments prescribed...However, I do know that in Islam, it is haram for a man or woman to look upon indecent activities...and they will be punished in the afterlife.

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            Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            You're calling my local peeping Toms club insane?

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               Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Don't forget masturbation! Ten lashes perhaps?
               
               (I don't mean to make light of this topic. It's a serious issue, a symptom of the preoccupation with sexuality on the part of fundamentalist fanatics in many religions. Muslim fanatics may be the worst, but Christian and Jewish fundamentalists suffer from the same malady.)

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      qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      What's your point?
      That a person should be demonized and destroyed for performing a perfectly natural act i.e procreation, which this fictitious god/allah thing alledgedly created,as a necessity, within the very "genes" of its alledgedly created children?
      What is wrong with you weak minded, primitive, short sighted, unevolved human beings who hope for and dream about god things, witches, goblins, wizards and other metaphysical entities in the hope that they may "bless" your "idiocy" with eternal love and immortality?
      The majority of human life is INSANE.

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      kerrygposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Even if that was a justification for deliberately meting out a prolonged and agonizing death (Iran's penal code specifically forbids using stones large enough to finish the job in one or two blows), that's not what happened here. She was convicted and sentenced under Iran's "judge's knowledge" rule that allows judges to sentence a person to death even in cases which otherwise have no conclusive evidence for a conviction.
      
      http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/ju … h-penalty]

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    Cagsilposted 14 years ago

    Lashing for adultery? Irrational, pathetic, moronic, foolish, ridiculous and many other words work.
    
    However, humane isn't one of them.

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    theirishobserver.posted 14 years ago

    Would Tiger Woods get lashed

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       K Kissposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       why would it hurt?

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    kerrygposted 14 years ago

    Is lashing more humane than stoning her to death? Yeah, of course.
    
    Does either punishment have any place in a civilized society? Absolutely not.
    
    Compounding the horror is the fact that it's being meted out for adultery, which has no business being a crime punishable by law at all, let alone punishable by death, and the fact that she did not commit adultery in the first place. The supposed relationships (if they actually occurred at all) took place after her husband was already dead.

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    Greek Oneposted 14 years ago

    If anyone is an expert in Iranian law, I was wondering if you could tell me what's the penalty is for having a married man stick his tongue in your ear while you let him pull your hand toward his hard ahmadinejad?
    
    
    

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       Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Ha! Ha! Pretty good!

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    Ben Evansposted 14 years ago

    The way I understand it is that the alleged lashes were for "not covering the hair."  There is no confirmation from what I read as to if this has actually happened.  The death sentence still stands from what I read.  Anyone please feel free to correct me I am wrong because I just gave it a quick perusal.
    
    In reference to the question, I guess 99 lashes would be more humane than being stoned to death.  This is just on a comparative degree.  As others have said neither is humane.
    
    Just thinking about it is sickening.  Those are awful punishments and appear extremely hateful.  It would be nice if we could do something but Iran unfortunately is not keen on listening to us.

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    libby101aposted 14 years ago

    It is wrong. Very wrong!
    
    You have to think about one thing though. These people are stuck in ancient times. In the bible days, that was the norm with almost the entire world. They feel it is the law. It wasn't just "Bible people" who did this. It was the entire world. They had harsh laws!
    
    It doesn't make it less cruel, it is still horrible! I think they should stand up against such cruelty...but they wont. They believe it is normal! Just as we think it is normal to go to prison if you steal something.
    
    I don't know why they are stuck in ancient history times. One would think they would have changed over time.

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    klarawieckposted 14 years ago

    
    Good thing I wasn't born in the middle east. I would have gone Lorena Bobbit on them long time ago.

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    Greek Oneposted 14 years ago

    Later that night, the Mullah talk his let his young apprentice  practice his stone throwing technique using his testicles
    
    
    

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       klarawieckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Gross!

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    Greek Oneposted 14 years ago

    "So what are you plans for after the beheading?"
    
    "I don't know, I was just going to lay low"
    
    "Cool, what if I come by at about 11 pm tonight so we could play hide the shawarma?"
    
    
    

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       klarawieckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       hehehehe... stop it! This is hilarious!

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    Greek Oneposted 14 years ago

    If you get any closer, my Tehran is going to accidentally slip into your Caracas
    
    
    

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       klarawieckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Can't tell which one is uglier! I shiver!!! Ugh! Ugh! Ugh! My EYES!!!

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    Greek Oneposted 14 years ago

    You're speech on how we should stone homosexuals really made my horny Mr. President!
    
    

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    libby101aposted 14 years ago

    You realize this is a tradition in their country! It is like us shaking hands! Again, this goes back to ancient times! They greet each other with a hug/kiss on the lips. It's not meant as sexual. It is merely greeting.
    
    It's still funny!

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       klarawieckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       But if you are a man and your sexuality is a little shaky and you go around kissing other men in the lips, you begin to get other ideas. Don't you think? And then... They whip ya!

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          Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          or they whip it out

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          libby101aposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I guess if their sexuality is shaky then yes they would enjoy it. LOL. I'm sure this does happen from time to time.

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       Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       True cultural fact:... they also tickle the other person testicles very quickly and gently (nothing sexual mind you, just a way to say "Hey there, nice to see you again!")

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          libby101aposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          LOL

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             klarawieckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             If that were true, Greek would have already moved there!

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    Greek Oneposted 14 years ago

    I would be a professional greeter

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       klarawieckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I bet you'd get great tips!

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    Greek Oneposted 14 years ago

    "Come on, let me say 'Hello!' to you just one more time!"
    
    

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    klarawieckposted 14 years ago

    Hahahaha... that's the little man! Evo Morales! LOL

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    Mighty Momposted 14 years ago

    Nice threesome!
    Where can I find the video? (hubba hubba)

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