What pushes us to fear?

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haj3396posted 11 years ago
I believe it's what we hear, that cause us to fear. The reason I lie is because I hear the out come of me not lying. The reason I take drugs is because I hear the miss information of my friend. The reason I don't Love God is because I hear his voice, and I am so evil, I can't believe he love someone like me. So what's pushing me to fear Me!!!!!!!!
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  Cagsilposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  What pushes you to fear yourself? Who knows. I can only guess that you don't actually know yourself.
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  Capediumposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Come Cagsil that was harsh.. Give the man a break.. We all have fears deep down inside us
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  A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Considering that very little of what you say has a basis in reality, I can only conclude you are referring to yourself and the reality you have created.
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  Capediumposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You not far from the truth.. For me most time is all about taking a leap of faith.. Though I think I now understand. Atleast am better today than I was yesterday. And a good Hubber just thought me how to turn fear to just that a word.
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  mischeviousmeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I am glad that you were able to gleem some wisdom, from the rantings of a crazy old man. I hope that you can pass on what you have learned and not lose the meaning in doing so. Of course it has to mean something to you and you have to be able to hold onto the personal meaning of it.
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  Capediumposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Once again... Thanks.. Nothing gives me more joy that sharing a good knowledge that I have learnt
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  Cagsilposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  There wasn't anything harsh about what I said. If you don't like the truth or cannot handle it, then by all means, use your ego to push aside what is said.
  
  I'm sure quite a few people have tons of fears and then there are some people, like myself who have very few fears.
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  WD Curry 111posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Ain't you somethin'. Come on down here for a canoe ride through the swamp at night and get you some good healthy fear.
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  Randy Godwinposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Ha, WD! We do that for fun here in south Georgia! The yankees are always scared though, especially if there are a few gators stirring the water up.
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  oldandwiseposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Not all Yankees now. I used to go out in the airboat in the Florida marsh fishing. You get in the water chest deep to fish with gators and snakes. Many a time a snake will come within a few feet of you while fishing and all of a sudden take a dive. As for gators you could hear or see the, depending on where we fished.
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  Deborah Sextonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
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  haj3396posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I know myself I done want to drink, God done want me to drink, but, I have this feeling and here my voice saying I need a drink. Who is it that taking to me?
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  Capediumposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You.. You not sure what you really want to do
  And you have not real ask yourself.. Why should I quit ?
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  kessposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Fear is the working of death in you...
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  haj3396posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  could you be just a little clearer?
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  Deborah Sextonposted 11 years agoin reply to this
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  I think most fears come from feeling you're not in control of something.
  
  Some fears are good, fear of things and situations that can harm you.
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  mischeviousmeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  We desire to be in control and in the struggle to do so, we must jump certain hurdles. Desire is a mode in which we create our own fears. I can say that it is like this but what do I know, I'm only human.
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  WD Curry 111posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You make good points, and I could go on all day elaborating. Instead I will give you the antidote, "Perfect love casts out fear."
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Capediumposted 11 years ago
There are several things that pushes us to fear. But me.. It is the future that scares me.. What I am now and what I hope to become
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  mischeviousmeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Fear is product of the prospect of loss. We do not see the now, because we are focussed on a future that does not exist. I am happy and I have no fear of loss. I must accept that what I have will someday either be of no use, or will no longer exist. Desire and clinging, these are what lead to fear and suffering.
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  Capediumposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Desire ? Am a a little confused.. I have always had this in mind " A dream is a burning desire in how heart and mind to succeeded".. If fear is a product of loss.. And desire the Mother. I might be very wrong.. Is desire wrong ?
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  mischeviousmeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  We desire comfort and the things we comfort ourselve's with only lead to more desire and so on. We are comforted by things and other people, when they are gone we suffer. This suffering takes another form in the fear of death. I say that when you accept death and are not afraid, life is that much sweeter, the same can be said of desire. Desire that which you truly need and life is not so difficult to live with.
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  Capediumposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I couldn't agree more with you with you..
  We comfort ourselves things and other people and It is true when they are gone we suffer..
  But sometimes it is all that we have to lean on when we hope.. The hope that we may someday get there.. How ever bad it may seem, I think we still need that little comfort of things not seen and things that we might not get.. Because each day is just another step to that thing we could achieve and sometimes loose.. But in all we survive,that is to say we so much more than we think.. But even then we still fear just because tomorrow is just a click away to a whole new world.
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  mischeviousmeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Desire and clinging, knowing and not knowing. These things can all be a cause of fear. Get rid of the cause and fear is just a word.
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  Capediumposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks. This means alot.
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  tlmcgaa70posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  i learned long ago to put GOD first. if i love GOD first, then i am able to love others as unconditionally as HE loves me. GOD is the only constant in my life. HE can never die and will NEVER leave or forsake me. humans hurt the ones they love, break promises, die. they cannot help it.put your trust or hope in humans and you will be disappointed and your hope will be crushed. put your trust and hope in GOD and it no longer matters what man or events do. therefore you no longer have fear. GOD is in control of all things. understanding this also takes fear out of your life. it is natural to experience momentary fear, sometimes events can take you by surprise. but fear of the unknown, of death, of loss, of the future...these no longer weigh you down.
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  Capediumposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for your remarks.. This is really useful
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  haj3396posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  But, you only fear because you hear yourself tell yourself the out come
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Kyle Payneposted 11 years ago
Fear comes purely from the things that are not known. Humans fear what they do not know and comprehend.
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  mischeviousmeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  We do know death for we are alive, we do however fear death because we do not understand it. We know that death is a neccesary part of life, but we do not know how to not desire.
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  Kyle Payneposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  “Death does not concern us, because as long as we exist, death is not here. And when it does come, we no longer exist.” -Epicurus
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  mischeviousmeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  "Fear not death fro it comes to us all". I can't remember who said that, but I always thought it was cool.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I think that's true. I also think that fear goes a step farther, that it's really the fact that we cannot change things on our own that we're afraid of. Which is why we need to depend on God; otherwise, we're helpless.
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  A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Nonsense, there are many things we don't know or comprehend and have no fear of them whatsoever.
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  Capediumposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  What are some of those things.. A curious mind..
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  haj3396posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  That's what you tell yourself. Stop telling yourself negtive things and fear will leave.
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AshtonFireflyposted 11 years ago
We fear anything we think may cause us harm or pain.
That reason may be real, or imaginary.
I am afraid of the dark. Irrational fear.
I'm also afraid of falling off a tree while attempting to save my kitten who is stuck in it. Rational fear.
In either case, it's the idea of harm which causes us to fear.
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  haj3396posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Stop tell yourself these negtive things and fear will leave. I was afraid of the dark, why, because I told myself negtive things, I heard negtive things, I saw negtive things, my senses ran me crazy. I cove my head with my cover, where I could not hear see and fear left me.
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  Capediumposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  This doesn't make much sense
  Is like telling the story our parent told us
  when we where still kids (2nd grader)
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  mischeviousmeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Giving suggestions is ok. I can not tell you how to live your life, nor can I tell you how to be free of suffering. I can only suggest that one face their fears directly and be true to the life that one knows. Be kind for it is gentlemanly and give advice where it is needed.
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  AshtonFireflyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I don't have to tell myself anything. I am afraid of the dark and that's just the way it is. Logically telling myself there is nothing there to harm me, ,wont' change the fact...
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  mischeviousmeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  But one can learn to live with their fears. Fear is only a word and is a product of desire. I desire to suffer for this or I desire to fear that. We only fear things because we are either taught to or because we choose to. I chose to be affraid of spiders, until I learned that their purpose was to bite me. They don't intentionally bite me and I do not prefer to be bitten, though they do it of their nature and cannot be held accountable for it. Fear in some ways can be neccesary, but that does not make it rational. In fact most fears are irrational, so instead of being fearful, have a natural respect for that which one fears.
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  Capediumposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Astonfirefly, in as much as I would want to make you see that fear can be just a word.. I will also want to tell you that Mischeviousme, has something very meaningful.. you should read.
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  AshtonFireflyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I have a fear of the dark because I have had hallucinations in the past; and such hallucinations always occurred in the dark. I am therefore afraid of what has happened, and that it will happen again. There is no desire linked to this experience, I think. It is simply expectation that something will happen as it has happened before; and is something I have no control over.
  Sure, I can tell myself that the hallucination is not real, but that does not make it any less frightening to myself, you know?
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  mischeviousmeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Expectation... Is this not a form of desire? Have you thought that maybe, you had tricked your own mind into such a state?
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  AshtonFireflyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think expectation is a form of desire.
  I do not desire for that thing to occur, but I expect it to.
  
  Tricked my mind into such a state?Umm..what do you mean by state? The state of hallucination? Perhaps. But I don't see how that has much relevance to desire..
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  mischeviousmeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  A child that fears that there is a monster under the bed, has monsters under the bed.
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  AshtonFireflyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  But they do not desire it to be so.
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  mischeviousmeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Ah, but desire takes many forms, even those in the subconscious. One must be mindful of their whole being to overcome these desires. I control my dreams therefor, I have no nightmares. Do you see where I am going with this?
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  AshtonFireflyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Um...no sorry I don't. I don't see how desire has any part in this... can you explain?
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  mischeviousmeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Mara the god desire came to buddha and offered him a place among his legions. Buddha only stared and gave no reply. Then mara offered buddha his three lovely daughters and again, buddha only stared and gave no reply. When mara's daughters finally began to rot and sink into the ground did mara give in and buddha accomplished his goal. It is said that the ground shook when buddha finally accomplished his task.
  
  Mara to the ancient hindus, was a manifestation of our own inner desires. In this case mara's daughters were a manifestation of lust. When one can break through the veil of ego and desire, all things become perfect awareness.
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  AshtonFireflyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  But how does that relate to my situation? Hallucinating things and being afraid of it has nothing to do with lust or desire.
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  mischeviousmeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I cannot show you the truth that I know, I can only use it as example, if you learn nothing from it, then you are not ready for it or your ego prevents you from seeing it.
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  AshtonFireflyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  If I learn nothing from it, maybe it's because you aren't explaining it to me in a way as it relates to my situation If you don't explain it to me, how am I supposed to understand? I'm totally okay with hearing a different opinion; I just need to be told directly, as opposed to cryptically because what you said made no sense...
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  mischeviousmeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Ok. Since you are into psychology, I will do it like this. What is the cause of your fear and when did it start?
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  AshtonFireflyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I started to fear the dark after I kept hallucinating, in the dark.
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  mischeviousmeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  When did you realize that you were hallucinating? Was it all of a sudden or was it gradual?
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  AshtonFireflyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Gradual.
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  mischeviousmeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Did you resist it or give in to it?
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  AshtonFireflyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  That depends on what you mean by that.
  I tell myself that it is not really there and suppress the fear.
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  mischeviousmeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  So your desire to be free of it made it worse for a time?
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  AshtonFireflyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  No. My desire to be free of it did not change it in any way whatsoever.
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  mischeviousmeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Are you better now or do you still have night terrors?
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  AshtonFireflyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Better now. Most times.
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  mischeviousmeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Suppression does not make anything better, it just opens the doors for other problems, just like psychologist's prescribed medications.
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  AshtonFireflyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Hmm...that still does not link it to desire.
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  mischeviousmeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I desire to be free, therefor I will be imprisoned by my desire. I can only use so many words, but I find that metaphore and idiom work the best, because they make us look at ourselve's. If what I may makes no sense, it is because if I say it like it is, you may gain nothing from it. It is an old zen practice and it's hard to follow.
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  AshtonFireflyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I desire to be free.
  But this desire to be free was not what CAUSED the fear.
  It is a natural response to fear.
  You're in effect saying that the consequence of the fear is what caused the fear in the first place.
  If I do not understand what you say, it may be because I find what you say to be illogical in some way...
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  mischeviousmeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Desire leads to almost all forms of fear and reactions to it. It is natural for children to fear heights or darkness, because we don't quite know what to make of it. We fear that which we do not understand, but if we accept what we cannot understand, we begin to see the reasons behind it. A hallucination is an extreme response to fear and if we desire to be rid of it, it makes it that much harder to get rid of. Now I can say this about a great many forms of suffering. If I am meditating and someone hits me, I do not feel it. The sensation is there, but it does not register in the sensory world. It is because, while I appear to be in the room with you, my mind is somewhere else.
  
  I desire to be free and I don't need my body to do it. When we are instages of an adenaline rush, we don't really experience any other sensation than task at hand. It is a survival mechanism that predates the modern mind and we may never truly understand how it works, it is intangible. What we must understand is the world at large and how we fit into it, as individual pieces of a greater whole.
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  AshtonFireflyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  What I'm saying is that desire to be free from it may make the hallucination more difficult to bear, but it didn't CAUSE it.
  I disagree that hallucination is an extreme response to fear. Fear was the response to the hallucination. There was no reason for the hallucination
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  mischeviousmeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  What were the hallucinations of?
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  AshtonFireflyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  creatures which I had never seen.
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  mischeviousmeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  And they materialized out of the darkness?
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  AshtonFireflyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know.
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  mischeviousmeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  What came first? the fear or the hallucination?
  
  Children see strange things and most of it is of the spirit world, for that is where we came from. In some sense or another. The first 6 years of life are spent fighting to survive. If one can make it beyond that age, it is smooth sailing from there. But that is a religious belief and it may not apply to how you see things.
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  AshtonFireflyposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I don't remember. The hallucination first, I think. I cannot remember.
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BfoBarneyposted 11 years ago
The media. It is their hidden motto...
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paarsurreyposted 11 years ago
It is very natural to fear; we fear to fail, we fear to get hurt or lose life or fear the loss.

It is a check on being irresponsible
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  Castlepalomaposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  When you were born the only fear you had was falling and loud sounds, every other fear is learned in life. Fear is just the unknowns, by understanding in time, fear fails.
  
  Most people are more motivated by fear than love, it's really is the saddest story ever known.
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  mischeviousmeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Hence fearing something as being a desire. I desire to fear my fears or I would overcome them, putting it plainly.
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  Castlepalomaposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, desire is very important and greatly misunderstood.
  
  After knowing your healthy desire my other balance on my checklist are attitude, focus and natural talents
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  mischeviousmeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  The darmha.
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  WD Curry 111posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Nice catch!
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Kyle Payneposted 11 years ago
We fear the unknown.
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  mischeviousmeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  To accept what is not known, is to be free of fear.
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  Kyle Payneposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yes it is, but that acceptance cannot be attained.
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  mischeviousmeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  It must be reallized, enlightenment is attained. Enlightenment is both reallized and attained through the reallization that nothing is attained. It just is.
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  Castlepalomaposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, acceptance of what is, like the bible belt town I live in.
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  Kyle Payneposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Enlightenment may be attained, but acceptance of all fear is impossible.
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  mischeviousmeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  One would think so. I fear nothing, maybe I am flawed in this way. I have accepted death and pain and suffering. I am aware of it and happy to be free of it.
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  Kyle Payneposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I do not understand this.
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  mischeviousmeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You will one day, if you think about the particulars long enough. Then you must apply what you truly know about yourself to it.
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  Castlepalomaposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I'm living proof of fearlessness, I only get deeply concerned about things.
  
  Do you have the desire to learn how to be fearless?
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  Castlepalomaposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  mischeviousme
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  I think mastering parts of the martial arts help me a great deal touring the world from a physical damage stand point and from many worries anyways
  
  How much has martial arts help you with concurring fears?
  
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  mischeviousmeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Martial arts has openned my eyes to a way of thinking that is free of scripture and free of mind. I let my body do the movements and my mind is empty of worry. I have met many good people on my journey and martial arts were but one small aspect.
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Muldaniaposted 11 years ago
I think fear is so much a part of the human animal. Fear is necessary when we live in the wild and have to be on our guard against animals who would wish to eat us. The flight or fight response has though been diverted to fearing situations which are not life-threatening. The human mind seems expert at creating fears.
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  mischeviousmeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  What you say so eloquently, seems to mirror what I say with metaphor. To me what you say can be related to the desire to fear.
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A Troubled Manposted 11 years ago
WOW! is nowhere near enough to capture that moment.
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