Authors and Writers Must be aware

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   lynsposted 10 years ago

   
   Hello Authors and Writers, I just learned my hard work of publishing my book  received purchases from friends and family only I didn't received the proceeds from the sale a Third Party name bestdictionaries on Amazon, is taking Authors hard work and selling it as their work without the Author's permission and getting away with it.  I conttacted my publisher and they said I needed to contact Amazon, which I did to no avail.  I looked up this company and they have various books for sale and are making profits, Writers and Authors please be aware.  Does anyone know what I can do about this copyright violation who can I go to thanks?

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   psycheskinnerposted 10 years ago

   Third party sellers are perfectly legal.  they sell the book at a mark up.  If they get an order, they buy a copy of the book from the publisher and on sell it.
   
   So unless you can somehow prove they are selling pirated copies, you do nothing.  So long as they are selling your book at or above cover price, this practice is not even unusual.

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   lynsposted 10 years ago

   This is tragedy

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   lynsposted 10 years ago

   So third part can make money off authors hard work and the author makes o dollars what's the use of copy rights. No use if I didn't enjoy writing this would be a reason to no longer write alone makes absorb

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   Sam Montanaposted 10 years ago

   I don't understand this. If I take one of Stephen King's books and sell it above the cover price, and Stephen King doesn't get a penny, that is legal? Obviously, there is something about this I am missing.

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   lynsposted 10 years ago

   It's my work and if I sit back and wait 4 someone 2 write and I jump on it and sell their writings that's a thief I. My eyes and some one that can't make their own writing sale. You don't get it? Possibly your not a self writer and do the same make mo eu off others hard work!

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   lynsposted 10 years ago

   Make your money off others hard writing and work is a thrift thrift theif

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   lynsposted 10 years ago

   Make your money off others hard writing and work is a thrift thrift theif

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   lynsposted 10 years ago

   U think u should profit off work u didn't do I don't get that

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    lynsposted 10 years ago

    What's missing is u can't write your own work obviously

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    lynsposted 10 years ago

    Obviously you can't write u have 2 pounce on real writers work

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    BlueObsidianposted 10 years ago

    Seriously?  Third party sellers on Amazon are not pirating books, they are reselling copies.  The author made a profit on the original sale.  Are you people who are opposed to this honestly saying that you NEVER get rid of a book once you buy it?  You never donate or sell anything you already purchased?  If you take a Stephen King book and sell it above the cover price, how do you think you got that copy?

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       Sam Montanaposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       So it is like a used book market. If I sell a book I wrote on Amazon for $10, I get the $10 and then the person that bought it for the original $10 can sell it for whatever they want. I guess the legality would come in if they are making 100 copies of my book and selling 100 books. I don't believe that should be legal.

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          lynsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

          The person never bought my book, the just sold it so get it right. and that's illegal

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             psycheskinnerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

             They did buy it at some point, then resold it.  So you were paid, and it is legal.  Unless you are saying you have never sold a single copy of a book that they could have resold and you seriously think they... I don't even know where they would get your paperback book without buying it. Nor am I sure how you know they have sold one.
             
             In any case they are clearly resellers.  It's routine and not actionable.

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    BlueObsidianposted 10 years ago

    Plus, do you really want to present yourself as a writer and use "u" instead of "you" in a public forum?

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       lynsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Are you a writer No because you don't know how's much work go into your work and how writers keep track of every sale

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    BlueObsidianposted 10 years ago

    That isn't legal, it's copyright infringement.  You can't make your own copies, but there is no reason you can't resell a copy you already own.

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       lynsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       The Third party, never purchased my book from myself they just copied and sold it on amazon, my publisher can back this up, this is legal come one you people need to get it right. Why do hubpages make it a strict guide line to not copy other writers work and make money, although it's Legal as you all state it is, right???

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          Marisa Wrightposted 10 years agoin reply to this

          If you wrote your post in proper English so we could understand it, you would get more sympathy.  As it is, we are struggling to understand what you mean and also struggling to understand how you managed to write a book in English in the first place, since you seem to have such a problem with expression.
          
          Please slow down and write a post in decent English, explaining exactly what has happened.

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    lynsposted 10 years ago

    Just because it's legal does that make it right ? ?

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    lynsposted 10 years ago

    So I should be able to make money off your hub pages as a third party then I need to go shopping on your hub let get started

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    lynsposted 10 years ago

    I'm on hp and if u can only attack by my short cuts U R A wanna. B writer I clearly know  the difference do you?

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    lynsposted 10 years ago

    Maybe I should visit your hp writings and sale them on HP and Amazon as a third party. It is Legal

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    lynsposted 10 years ago

    Whu

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    lynsposted 10 years ago

    I'm going third party shopping soon. It is Legal

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    Shorebirdieposted 10 years ago

    No, it's not legal to copy your book and sell it without paying you for the copy.  However, it is legal for someone to buy your book, or get one as a gift, and sell it for whatever they want.  They just can't make copies without paying you.
    
    I don't know what to do other than talk to a lawyer?
    
    p.s.  I just looked at their page and I don't think they're selling illegal copies of anyone's books.  They are either an affiliate listing your book or an authorized distributor.  I am betting that you would get your share if they sold a copy of your book.  I would still ask Amazon about this.

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       lynsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Thank you Shorebuirdie, appreciate your comment.
       lyns

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    lynsposted 10 years ago

    You don't know what your mouth is talking about "they" Didn't pay"0" for my book I know better than you and your running motion Mouth. I am the Author not you and you running mouth

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    lynsposted 10 years ago

    Your lips need to stop running and your fingers and brain needs to start working

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    lynsposted 10 years ago

    Stop running your mouth about what U obviously don't know we're you apart of the transaction purchase?

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       fpherj48posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       lyns.....Step back from your keyboard and take a break.  Go for a walk and calm down.  You asked a question here.  Presumably you wanted advice/help.   Hubbers have responded in kind with some sensible replies.  In turn, you attack them and go off on a rant.  There's a word or two for this sort of behavior: ridiculous & unacceptable.  My suggestion is you figure this out for yourself and Good Luck.
       It's clear that you did not write any book in English.  Obviously you wrote in your mother tongue, whatever it is?
       Personally, I can't imagine anyone stealing and/or copying a book you attempted to write in English, unless they needed kindling for their fireplace.
       Perhaps you should take this up with your countrymen & women and not with Americans.
       Wishing you the best....:

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       psycheskinnerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Calm down and think. Of course they bought the book. That is why they had a copy of your paperback available to sell.
       
       And actually several of us are published authors. I write content under a different name but am the author of five published romance novels.  All of which have resellers listed on Amazon and are widely available second hand.

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    Michael Kismetposted 10 years ago

    Okay, we get you're frustrated, that much is obvious.  Psycheskinner is trying to help you, there's no need to hurl insults at her--claiming to be such a superior writer, try having some decorum.

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    BlueObsidianposted 10 years ago

    So you've never bought anything second hand?  You've never been to a thrift shop or a yard sale?  And you keep EVERY ITEM you've ever purchased or been given? You never donate or sell anything you're done with?  That is all that the third party sellers on Amazon are.  If they didn't pay for copies of your book to sell, exactly how do you think they got them?
    
    I can't imagine a life without libraries and used book stores, but I suppose you object to those as well.

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    Nicole Pellegriniposted 10 years ago

    lyns, I have no idea what your problem is or why you went to one of my hubs to leave several nonsensical comments last night accusing me of being a thief and a moron. I've had nothing to do with this discussion here, never seen your work before, and certainly didn't steal anything from you.
    
    I would suggest you calm down and take the matter where appropriate, as appropriate, before you start throwing random accusations and insults around.

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       Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       You need to quit posting on these forums under two different account names.  That is not allowed on HubPages.

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          Nicole Pellegriniposted 10 years agoin reply to this

          My understanding was it was against the rules within a single forum thread. In this case the individual in question specifically attacked me under this account. But, suffice to say I won't do it again.

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             Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this

             You can mention the name of another account, but you cannot post under two account names, whether on the same thread or not. When you post, your posting user name is a clickable link and you can only use one.

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             chasmacposted 10 years agoin reply to this

             That was my understanding, too. So I checked and here's the relevant info from the FAQ - "What are we not allowed to do on the forums?". And here's the answer:
             
             Multiple Accounts: "While we don't prohibit having more than one HubPages account, we ask that you stick to a single persona in the forums. The deceptive use of multiple accounts, especially in a single thread is prohibited. The use of secondary accounts to circumvent a forum ban is also prohibited".
             
             The wording suggests that it's more of a request than a rule unless you're up to no good and making 'deceptive' use of multiple accounts - then it's a rule. As there was nothing at all deceptive about your post, you haven't broken any rules, and I agree that it was appropriate to post under the same account that received the attack.
             
             PS - I originally posted this in the main thread rather than this sub-thread - now moved. Sorry for any confusion

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                Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                "We ask that you stick to a single persona in the forums."
                
                This is the status quo in the forum and many new people from Squidoo don't know this yet.  People who continue to post under more than one account get reported.

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                   jodijoyousposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                   Sockii/Nicole was not trying to deceive anyone. She has two accounts because of rules HubPages set up when transferring work from Squidoo. I believe it's even the same photo.
                   
                   Your comment is completely uncalled for.

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                      Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                      This comment is from HP management:
                      "We ask that you stick to a single persona in the forums."
                      
                      And, no, it was not  "uncalled for."

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                         psycheskinnerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                         Quite. It is the rule, so mentioning that is not an insult, it is called being helpful.

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                         Marisa Wrightposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                         You'll note that's not a rule, that's a recommendation.  "We ask", not "you must".  The only actual prohibition is on "the deceptive use of multiple accounts".
                         
                         I have only one account but over the years I've seen many people use different accounts on different sections of the forum without ever being banned for it. 
                         
                         I remember the rule being introduced and there was ONE reason for doing so:  to stop people creating fake conflict by arguing with their sock puppets on the forums. That's the only thing HubPages is worried about.

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                   Nicole Pellegriniposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                   So do you make sure to report as well the old time Big Name hubbers who do the same thing? When commenting in the forum on a topic specific to a secondary account and not wanting to cause unnecessary confusion? (See, for instance: http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/124576#post2633502)
                   
                   Just curious.

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                      Writer Foxposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                      This was Relache's answer three weeks ago when someone else tried to accuse her of the same thing on the forum when she posted on the Technical Assistance thread for new accounts from Squidoo:
                      
                      "I posted just a couple times when I was having tech issues with my imported account and very clearly said who I was and why I was posting as a second persona.
                      
                      "I really liked how you picked out certain details about my situation in order to get a point across you'd like others to believe."

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             Shorebirdieposted 10 years agoin reply to this

             I asked this a long time ago and someone official at HubPages (I don't remember who as it was a long time ago) said it was OK as long as you don't use two personas in the same thread.  This is mostly to prevent people from having discussions with themselves to make it look like two people "agreeing" with each other or appearing to gang up on someone.  I have two personas, but mostly use this one in forums, but I have used the other one sometimes.  Both have the same avatar.

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       lynsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       I don't know why this got posted to your hub as well, internet error...

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       LindaSmith1posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       I woke up to the same harassing comments in one of my hubs.  I haven't done anything with them yet other than Report it to HP.  Once HP has seen them, I will deny them.

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    Writer Foxposted 10 years ago

    P.S. - If someone is posting spam comments on your Hubs, report the post as spam and report the user from the link on the user's Profile.

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       lynsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Writerfox this was done in error don't know myself how it was posted on that area

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    LindaSmith1posted 10 years ago

    third-party sellers, who are independent sellers who offer a variety of new, used, refurbished, and collectible merchandise on Amazon.com
    
    lyns: What I don't understand is your attitude towards those who answered you, including you telling them they are wrong.  If this is such an issue with you, I am curious as to why such a huge, published author you claim to be, why you aren't contacting your lawyer about this issue of yours.   Oh by the way, having friends and family order is against Amazon rules!!!
    
    http://www.mbbp.com/resources/iptech/pu … legal.html

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    LindaSmith1posted 10 years ago

    Multiple Accounts: While we don't prohibit having more than one HubPages account, we ask that you stick to a single persona in the forums. The deceptive use of multiple accounts, especially in a single thread is prohibited. The use of secondary accounts to circumvent a forum ban is also prohibited.
    http://hubpages.com/faq/#forums-violations
    
    Be honest about your identity. While we don't prohibit having more than one HubPages account, we ask that you stick to a single persona in the Forums. The deceptive use of multiple accounts, especially in a single thread, is prohibited. The use of secondary accounts to circumvent a Forum ban is also prohibited. This type of behavior is also known as sockpuppeting.   http://hubpages.com/help/forum_rules

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       robertzimmerman2posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Various Hubbers keep referring to this section in the TOS but seem to ignore the lack of deception on sockii's part. I've known her a long time and have never seen her to be deceptive.
       
       The inability of some Hubbers to stay on a post topic is simply pushing new Hubbers away from the forum which means they will make more mistakes and take longer to come up to par.
       
       I, for one, am finding less and less value on HP forums lately.

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          chasmacposted 10 years agoin reply to this

          I was the first to refer to it and clearly stated there was no deceptive intent on Nicole's part. Perhaps the others felt there was no need to repeat it.

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    LindaSmith1posted 10 years ago

    Nicole and Shorebirdie mean nothing to me.  But Socki and Desert Darlene are writers I am familiar with.

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    Lynne-Modranskiposted 10 years ago

    they've been doing that with my CD's for YEARS.  I can't imagine anyone would ever buy them at the prices they are selling them for.  Sometimes 4x more than I sell them at CDbaby or Amazon.  And truth is, I don't think all of them actually HAVE the CD because they say it's new in cellophane.  I think they are trying to sell it, then if they do, they'll order it from CDbaby.  But I doubt these third party sellers that inflate the prices are really selling anything.

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       psycheskinnerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Yes, this is very much what happens.  I find it irritating but not much can be done about it other than making your direct sales avenues as accessible as possible.

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    Kylyssaposted 10 years ago

    Is this all possibly a misunderstanding caused by a poor translation?  Perhaps it would be a good idea to ask another native English speaker to read through the listings you find upsetting?   
    
    People buy books, they read them, and then they sell them so they can make room for more books. 
    
    If you've sold copies of the book, the people who bought them then own those copies of the books they bought.  They can read their books, give them as gifts, prop up their wobbly table legs with them, or even, yes, sell them.  They cannot copy them and sell the copies. 
    
    The bookseller hasn't copied your books.  That would cost more per copy than it does to buy your book and resell it!
    
    It's a very common practice to sell used items online and it's perfectly legal and ethical.

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