today the mexican gov't decriminalized pot, giving a "personal use" limit in mexico of 5 grams, approximately four joints. this move designed to concentrate the battle on drug cartels. good luck. two parter: should personal use in america be a crime? if not a crime, how much is personal use?
I think the bulk of the US population agrees it should be legal. I think it should, the money earned from the taxes and cultivation could really help our economy and the drug is no more dangerous than alcohol.
I don't smoke pot or anything, but just wanted to give my two cents.
Sure it should be legal. It's less of a dangerous drug than is alcohol. The only reason it is not legal is because of the powers that be, and the infrastructure that is, and so much, basically $$, depending on it.
Personal use should be quantified and regulated as is alcohol.
I can remember in NC, I once had to go to court and there were a lot of people who where in there for possession and they were all receiving $25 fines. LOL I was in shock about that, after knowing the penalties up north.
yes, it should. the only problem with the mexico law is that our customs agents have just been given more power. having travelled extensively throughout mexico for over a decade was a genuine pleasure. each time, crossing back into this country, those pleasures were spoiled by those testosterone induced clowns calling themselves customs agents. perhaps it's because my physical description - 6'4", athletic, a full head of hair halfway down my back - was so at odds with part of their job description - 5'6", height/weight disproportionate, with little or no head hair - was more than they could stand. it's not as if i'm suggesting that they suffer from short man syndrome...
it will be interesting to watch the small time drug busts increase at the border crossings.
There are many good economic and moral reasons for legalization. California will legalize it soon and most of the country will follow suit within the decade. No informed person would be against this inevitability.
Yes I agree it should be legalized in America, it's all natural, its not like street drugs, chemically manufactured. I don't smoke the stuff any more (and no not any less either...lol..I figured I would beat you all to the punch...lol), but from what I can remember from my younger days, 1 shared joint between four people gave me the munchies, giggles, and spaced out feeling for about 2 hours, I think. Heck I'm to old to remember this stuff. Beer on the other hand depends on what kind you drink, although it actually does matter what kind of weed you smoke to, now that I think about it. But anyways.....
Well I personally think it should be legal. I do not smoke it myself, I have in my waaaay younger days, tryed it a couple times but it only put me too sleep but it should be just like alcohol, no smoking and driving. LMAO
I would say don't legalize it but don't criminalize it either. That way the government can't make money off it, tax it and all that stuff but they also cannot lock you up and make you pay fines either.
Even Obama made a point of saying he did not see the point of talking about legalizing it. See, you and Obama agree on something tk, so that is something he must have done right . Personally I have no interest in marjiuana myself, but it really would not bother me if it were legalized. Cigarettes are actually worse for people's health, and there is no talk of making those illegal. All in all I could care less about marijuana, so I would say legalizing it could make a lot of people happy, and be a good source of revenue for taxes.
I think Obama is politically sensible in not legalizing now. Timing is everything! Sooner or later, economically or socially mandated, America will cease it's useless damaging war on drugs. It will treat addiction with good medical care and psychological support. Essential to cut the corruption and hypocrisy that keeps it all in place.
I would imagine he is as pragmatic about this issue as he is about the insurance industry, .
Which...sigh...I see the point. The point I cannot see is his take on marriage for gay couples (he believes in expanding rights for civil unions, but that marriage is between a man and a woman...because of his personal Christian beliefs, I guess). See, he's really more of a centrist than anything, and definitely pragmatic. Things I at once both admire, dislike, and see both positives and limitations of.
He compromises a little too much to make conservative and moderate Americans feel more comfortable I believe. Honestly I was surprised to see so many Californians supported prop eight, but you know it only passed by a few percentage points. In a few years and with more education I think people will stop talking civil unions and start accepting that everyone has the right to get married, if that is what they want to do.
So giving everyone the equal right to marry is Communistic? You would be surprised to learn there are actually some conservative Republican same sex couples that are in favor of same sex marriage. Would you want to alienate them? Could this be why the Republican party is losing many members? Education in the sense that giving people the legal right to marry by no means infringes upon your rights. How does a same sex couple getting married effect you exactly?
I was listening to the BOB 96.9, here in Oklahoma this morning. They said 1 in 10, of all people age 50, and in this generation, admit to smoking weed. I can tell you that alchol is much more inebriating. If one is used to marijuana, they don't just fall asleep. That happens to the first time user. It stops soon enough. Munchies could be forever. Determination to overcome the minchies can be rewarding, so one won't gain 50+ pounds. Marajuana has many uses, hemp can be used to make clothing. If is a good food substance for cattle, goats, sheep, and even for the pigs, and deer. It isn't legal because of taxes. It produces so many seeds it can't be controlled by the government. They need to just legalize it and go ahead and treat it like our garden food. I have been known to say if it's a pill that is stronger than marijuana, I won't take it. So my doctors are careful with my pain medications.
Legalize pot. I think a couple oz is reasonable for personal use. Please spend my tax dollars on getting drunk (or otherwise impaired) drivers off the road. Crack down on illegal substances associated with violent behavior and increased health costs.
Marijuana is not nearly as innocuous as people believe. It's a cocktail of hundreds of different chemicals, and there are about 50 potentially active substances in it.
THC affects cells- causes brain changes, lung damage, chromosome alterations, decline in male testosterone, and even a depression in cell division. THC isn't water soluble like alcohol, so it stays in the fatty parts of cell membranes for a long time. Sticks around in the brain, you see, and impairs judgment and ruins brain cells.
I saw some very scary SPECT images of chronic marijuana users in graduate school, guess what? It can shrink your brain, just like alcohol. Bad news for people when they use alcohol and marijuana together.
chronic respiratory ailments are caused by air pollution, even for non-smokers. there's an alarming increase of diabetes in today's school age children, due to their ballooning weight problem which is due to their dietary intake and lack of physical exercise. in fact, this growing problem is so acute that big pharma is pleased not only with the drugs currently being dispensed upon school age children, but the investment money coming their way from manufacture of said drugs.
My point being some posters have cited the lack of danger as being a reason for legalization of marijuana. So, the argument doesn't hold water. I'm not for or against legalization, but people should know the facts.
whether an argument holds water or not depends on the side of the fence one is standing. or straddling. since we're now discussing facts instead of opinions, maybe the multi-billion dollar industry that is big pharma could release a few more facts, especially to the elderly segment of our population, about the dangers of manufactured drugs versus the dangers of those derived from organic substance; especially to those who are on, say, five to nine different prescriptions. while they're in the process of releasing facts, how about some info on young children already dependent upon big pharma to help them cope with the absurdities of life, along with how many prescriptions these young children are predicted and expected to be on by the time they reach the age of twenty, at the sole benefit of big pharma.
There has never been one documented case of anyone dying from using marijuana. You can not become physically addicted. You can't O.D. on it. It does not contain carcinogenic properties that cause lung cancer, like smoking tobacco does. The tests that were done in the, I believe, 70's that supposedly "proved" that weed killed brain cells were conducted by pumping pure marijuana smoke into the lungs of monkeys and, in essence, depriving them of oxygen. It has recently been shown that the oxygen deprivation was what killed their brain cells. The truth of the matter is that weed is less dangerous than aspirin.
I didn't say it caused cancer or you can OD on it. These are recent studies, not done in the '70's, by the way. Aspirin doesn't cause decreased lung capacity, chronic bronchitis, and impaired judgment. http://www.nida.nih.gov/infofacts/marijuana.html
Totally agree. I think alcohol is WAY worse. My only point is that it DOES have negative medical consequences, so those who say it's completely harmless, therefore it should be legal, are missing some of the facts. That's all.
All I am saying is that it is a lot less harmful than many things that are legal. I think it should be legalized because pot dealers don't want it to be legalized. There is a documentary that is called, I believe, The Union? I could be wrong, but I think that is the name. In this documentary, they actually interview pot dealers and ask them what they think about legalizing marijuana. They were totally against it. It would put an end to their bank roll.
Completely agree it's a lot less harmful than many legal substances. When I counseled addicts, however I did see many people seeking help for marijuana. It had ruined their jobs and marriages. I know it's not hard to get. But, having witnessed the destruction it can do in people's lives, I think keeping it illegal has the potential to keep a certain segment of the population from having easy access, and therefore NOT suffering these consequences. Marijuana Anonymous members will share a very different side of the seemingly harmless substance. It's psychologically addictive. Actually, some studies were done that show a physical withdrawal process that occurs with chronic users. I've seen some pretty ugly repercussions from marijuana use when I did drug and alcohol counseling at the VA Hospital. Before that, I thought it was completely harmless. I just think free access could wreak havoc on people who have the potential to abuse. AND, I see your point about the documentary.
I am only worried about a certain segment of the population that has the propensity to abuse substances.
I was just pointing out a fact, then why not legalize pot. I agree that it is all natural as is beer, cigarettes..and the like. Would be much better then, the prescription drugs they want us to take with all the side effects, that create more illnesses and more drugs and more illnesses.....
I have bought my kids up with a "totally open for discussion" approach to drugs. Children cannot be moved by fear campaigns. Education is my chosen path with all drugs.Drug deaths are often caused by combining drugs like alcohol in the mix when it is contra indicated.Drug wars just create crime, including graft and corruption. Criminalizing the users of recreational drugs and filling privately run prisons with them is lunacy!
If memory is correct, pot is illegal because one needs to purchase a special stamp for it. The government just won't produce the stamp. LOL 'twas a way for the powers that be to get around the constitution thing.
So you are saying that it is better for people to keep killing over drug cartels trying to make money off of it then it is for happy go la la types to find other uses for hemp. Which by the way, you cannot get high from hemp used in these forms.
cheap? you think good pot is cheap? just goes to show how much you know about the subject. maybe you could do a hub for us on hemp clothes, hemp rope, hemp paper. don't forget to include hemp's financial impact on canada's economy. p.s fyi there's a huge difference between hemp used for economical purposes versus marijuana used for recreational purposes. go do you homework and report back.
The government only banned marijuana in the first place so W.R. Hearst could print his newspapers on wood pulp paper. Hearst got Anslinger, America's first "drug czar", to start the smear campaign on weed. He wanted hemp outlawed because he owned paper mills. He would have lost money in his paper mills if hemp paper really caught on.
Isn't it amazing how quickly conservatives can drop the "smaller government" imperative when it suits their narrow-minded purposes. We can't afford basic health services for indigent people, but we can waste billions on incarcerating people for committing victimless crimes.
I'm for mandatory neutering of all conservative dogs to keep them from fathering a new generation of knuckleheads.
My personal opinion is that if they want to legalize it make it economically feasable by packaging it and selling over the counter like cigarettes. Tax it, and make the legal age 21. Everyone wins. It's as addictive and as bad for your health.
The problems are lethargy, missing work, depression, and the spouse being fed up with the use. These issues are separate from the legal issues. The addicts I worked with explained to me the negative psychological effects upon them, their jobs (work truancy) and their marriages.
Oh, no I certainly understand that but what I am really getting at is that they weren't happy with their jobs in the first place, it's an excuse to miss work, a cop out if you will. Do you see what I am saying. Using pot as their excuse for being unhappy with their lives. Something tells me they were not happy to begin with. Now do you see what I am saying?
How about you guys talking against legalizing pot, have you ever smoked it? I can smoke a joint and do expert crossword puzzles in ink. I have burned many a doobie at the country club with doctors, lawyers, government officials, and other members of the community. I also have glaucoma and pot decreases the pressure in my eyes. I have found the people who are so against legalization are the ones most ignorant about pot.
I was wrong about you, I figured you would say you had never tried suicide instead of bank robbery. This is a lousy excuse but as I said, I'm not surprised after your stupid country club/ BMW analogy. You and your little dog too!
Thank you SweetiePie. Actually, I've been waiting for a chance to use that line from "The wizard of Oz" for a long time and it seemed to fit perfectly on this thread. Kill two birds with-well, one bird.
I am smoking right now. Guess what, I'm not going out to rape and plunder. Wow, imagine that, a calm stoner. I thought weed makes people do bad things. I am reading and writing on hubpages while some people are out getting drunk without consciousness. Idiot potheads.
On a serious note, I fit every symptom of having ADD. My thoughts are often clouded, random, insane. When I smoke, it balances my ability to slow my mind/thoughts. It is very relaxing compared to insanity.
Many cancer victims use pot to counter the effects of the violent nausea caused by chemotherapy. Some of the doctors secretly give them pot even though it is illegal because of the effectiveness of the nausea cure.
Obviously you already showed you have opinion when you stated, "Something about inhaling hot gas into your lungs for the purpose of escaping reality. I guess." Why would you guess I am out of reality when stoned?
marinealways, I am going to jump right in to the computer screen and take your dog, and there won't be a ransom. I'm just keeping him?her. getting a little fuzzy and silly....lol I might just be on to a song here....lol
Personally I do not like weed myself, but decriminalizing it would be the right thing to do. There would be less people in prison for possession of it, which costs tax payer dollars. They could tax the pot, which would be revenue for the government.
I still think it should be neither criminalized or legalized. Why? Then people could grow their own damn pot and no one would have to be fighting, paying, going to prison for it or capitalizing on natures smoke.
My turn I'm off to write a song about these and many more animals and flowers and weeds and seeds....hey Janice Joplin....now most of her music was all about the state of being stoned or getting stoned....lol
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