Why Our Society is So Low A teacher is Becoming A Porn Star.

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Lgaliposted 14 years ago
31 year old Tiffany Shepherd lost her job as a Biology teacher at Port St. Lucie High School after pictures on the internet brought to light that she was moonlighting as a bikini clad escort on fishing boats. The story got stranger this afternoon when multiple media outlets reported that she was doing porn under the stage name “Leah Lust.” Since her ordeal began, Shepherd has lost her children to her ex-husband, and insisted to Florida media that Porn was the only job she could get
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  Drew Breezzyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  desperate times call for desperate measures
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  Pearldiverposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am horrifed by this... The Poor Fish!!!
  
  But it is worse here (NZ) Did you know that in the last month a total of 6 Teachers Have left their jobs to become: Arrrrhhh Real Estate Agents...
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  REAL ESTATE AGENTS? Horrifying. They must have had terrible childhoods. The scars those poor kids must carry...
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Almost became a property manager til I relised how trashy some of those floor routines were going to be , wouldnt be caught dead shakin my tail feathers at that filth
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  video lostposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This is because society is made up of people and people are being constantly fed up by sick, unfavourable, vulgar, indecent and obscene notions of life under the guise of art, love and humanity. People are turned into monsters that can do anything they want.
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Valerie Fposted 14 years ago
Sigh. It was only a matter of time. You think this would have happened if teachers actually got a decent living salary?

In some parts of the country, applications for teaching positions come with applications for welfare, housing assistance, and the like.

Meanwhile, public schools keep begging for money by the millions. I have a sneaking hunch too much of that money goes to pay the people in education who have the least to do with actually teaching.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's a load. Teachers make about 30,000 a year starting out on average. That's a heck of a lot more than some schlep working at Wal-Mart. Sure engineers make more, but teaching really isn't that hard of a job and there are a lot of them out there.
  
  Now where all of our money is going to after the school district gets a hold of it is interesting. Turns out most of it goes to administrative costs. There was an initiative in Missouri floating around a few years ago that would have required 65% of tax funds given to schools be spent in the classroom. This faced widespread opposition from....wait for it....teachers. Jolie Justus wrote why she opposed the 65% rule, as it was called, and some of the items are very interesting indeed.
  
  What immediately strikes me is salaries, instructional aides and activities, building maintenance, teacher professional development and school security. One, no real definition of these items is given. Two, if you're spending more than 45% of your budget on these things something is very very wrong. No organization can afford to spend that much on upkeep and administrative stuff and expect to stay in business.
  
  Public schools have been failing despite increases in funding over the last 30 years. Obviously money isn't the problem. Or maybe it is, just not in the way we think it is. Why is it that when I went to school, all we needed was to show up with paper, pens and pencils and today you need to provide just about everything except for textbooks?
  
  http://www.hoover.org/publications/digest/4495906.html
  
  Between 1970 and 1995 we increased the spending per student by 75%. Why is it that a student in 1970 was more educated and prepared for the workforce than a student in 1995? It's not money. This particular quote is rather revealing:
  
  So most of our money seems to be going to administrative salaries and teachers' salaries. You'll forgive me if I don't feel sorry about this teacher turned stripper.
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  They work 9 months. They have a retirement program that rivals a federal employee. What a burden they bear.
  
  Heaven forbid we question the parents who send their kids to school without even checking their homework, who've never been to a parent-teacher conference, who won't even provide a proper breakfast...
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes.
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If I may add:
  
  Yes, because they already do.
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Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago
Moral decline doesnt have anything to do with being a teacher IMO

Why do some chose it and others dont you might ponder?
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  mtsi1098posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not sure on the answer but there was a teacher in a local school that got fired for having an affair with a student - at least she would have made some money in this profession:)
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ralwusposted 14 years ago
One can't blame her really. I don't.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No I certainly wouldnt judge her ,wouldnt be for me though.
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  goodfriendiamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't blame her either, what is she to do, if she wants to eat.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Can only answer for myself...so far Ive always been able to get some other kinda job, sometimes sh**t jobs , but hey Im grateful I dont live in a country that doesnt offer much choice.
  
  Heres the other side of the coin though , if men didnt wanna pay for sex, wouldnt she then have to get some other job?
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  ralwusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know. There are plenty of women who pay for it too.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Either ,either lol
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  goodfriendiamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ya thats for sure, cook, clean, be a door mat. I most deff paid for it. Almost my life.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sounds like an abusive relationship ,and not a loving one , Im sorry
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  goodfriendiamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Very true
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  Lgaliposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  then who should blame?
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  ralwusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well, what has she done wrong? Has she broken laws? Then blame can be set. Otherwise morals only are to blame.
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  Lgaliposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  who should blame?her
  Well, what has she done wrong? not for a teacher
  Has she broken laws no
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  anjalichughposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly. We are no one to judge. Who knows what made her choose this kind of work. Such things, in most cases, are not done by choice.
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  Lisa HWposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think when most people are uncomfortable or "having opinions" about work like exotic dancing, porn, prostitution, etc.; much of the time (maybe most of the time these days) they aren't so much "judging" (as in "moral judging") as they are thinking, "Is this what I want for myself, or is this what I would want for my daughter?" People who wouldn't feel comfortable doing that kind of thing themselves, or thinking about their own daughters doing that kind of work, often tend not to want that for other women or other people's daughters either. I think much of the time it's a matter of thinking, "You deserve better than this," rather than "Oh, shame, shame, on you for doing such a thing." Most reasonable people know it's the right of women to make the choice to do this kind of work; but still, sometimes what looks like "judging" is really just kind of wishing for something better for the women who make that choice. Do we have a right to want our version of "better" for someone else now? No, but sometimes what looks like "judging" really is coming from kinder intentions than it may appear.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yep all kinds of reasons including fast easy money
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  anjalichughposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sounds more like a sattire!!
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Crazdwriterposted 14 years ago
I don't blame her at all for what she did. But i can tell you right now you won't be finding me doing that even right now being unemployed. That is one industry I will never get into thank you
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  ralwusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Dam, and I had my hopes up. LOL
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  Crazdwriterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  lmao bad ralwus bad
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SweetiePieposted 14 years ago
Personally I would not work in porn, but not everyone who works in porn is evil. This is her personal choice and has nothing to do with her former occupation.
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  Davinagirl3posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I totally agree... once again.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It's time to kiss the devil, he's just misunderstood.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am not sure what your anger is all about, but you are welcome to it .
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ralwusposted 14 years ago
Cougars rule! LOL
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AEvansposted 14 years ago
She had to do what she had to do women give it away free every day at least she is being paid. People watch it, people buy it in this economy it is all about the Benjamins, if she is doing it she probably enjoys it. Why would the place out there publicly shaming her? If a man does it they certainly do not tell people he is moonlighting as a gigolo.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ive never found a man I needed to pay j/kI take your point.
  
  Thats why I said I wouldnt judge her, sex on its own ,is a tradable commodity ,but given up freely to one another is not quite the same thing to me.
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  AEvansposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Me neither!!!
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ralwusposted 14 years ago
Well, I reckon yer right on that one. LOL
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Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago

It's not just teachers who desperately need more income. A few years ago while working as a sous chef, I supplemented mine by working under the name Ho lotta man.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh god ,cheese slid of my cracker
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  AEvansposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  OMG I see you made a few bucks!!! lolololo
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Crazdwriterposted 14 years ago
lmao ron you are funny but your picture won't come through for me
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Consider yourself lucky
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ralwusposted 14 years ago
gross
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Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago
ohhhhhh.. I just looked again ,hes stripping !!!

quit it ron

go big boy, everybodys gotta eat ...an eat ...an eat
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Crazdwriterposted 14 years ago
After reading the other responses I do lmao
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SweetiePieposted 14 years ago
As I said I do not think her decision to become a stripper had to do anything with her being a teacher. She just wanted to work in porn, it is as simple as that. In California I made in the high forty thousand range one year that I taught, and that was the highest paying salary I have ever had. With my current jobs I make hardly half of that, but I did not enjoy all the discipline issues involved with teaching. If you want to make a good income as a teacher move out to the California desert because they always need teachers there, but many people do not stay for a reason. Teaching was not a fulfilling career for me personally, but I never would have become a stripper. Also, I could care less if people work in porn, this is all their free choice you see.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thank-you. I feel validated now in my choice.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I do not know what you mean. All I am saying is I do not care what people do personally.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm saying that reading that people do not judge me for doing what I had to do makes me feel better about myself. I was having some problems after my pictures showed up on the internet. I got this really awful e-mail from my mother..........
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No one should judge someone for being a stripper or working in porn. There are many honest and caring people that work in these professions.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Again I thank you. Will you talk to my Mom for me?
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If you want me too .
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  Thanks - 1-999-555-1111
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I see you are joking .
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  ralwusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's the point I was aiming for. Kudos. It is what it is.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  Lgaliposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  good take
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Crazdwriterposted 14 years ago
Really? and where is all my money then since I too am a teacher? I never got that much money. yes I may be unemployed now but when I was working I never got that much money. what Preschool teachers don't count as teachers anymore?
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I taught in California in a desert community where they have a teacher shortage. It is about 106 plus degrees there half of the year. I did not like teaching, but I know they are always hiring people out there, which is the middle of nowhere. Other districts pay about the same pay scale though, but it is harder to get a teaching position here in the more populated areas with budget cuts.
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Bingo. If it was such a cruddy job it would be *easy* to get the job. The jobs are all taken because they are *good* jobs that draw many applicants. That's why it's hard to get hired.
  
  McDonald's is a 'bad' job because it's easy to get hired.
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  In my part of the country pre-school is held at a church or community center and is staffed by volunteers who are led by perhaps one person with some type of teaching experience. The 'classes' run for a couple hours a day for 2 or 3 days a week. So I'd say, no, Preschool teachers don't have the same juice as high school calculus teachers.
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Crazdwriterposted 14 years ago
Even then you as well as ledefensetech are saying that teachers make a lot of money. I never made that much money in the 4 years I was a teachers aide or even the 3 years I've been a teacher. Granted I did move around but still. Can't say that teachers make a lot of money when it is obvioiusly not true.

And hate to break it to you ledenfensetch but teaching isn't as easy as you think.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think you misread my post. In California teaching pays well if you have a master's degree, which I had at the time. But guess what? I think teaching is the hardest job in the world, and I was in my room from six in the morning until ten at night. I may have been making a good income in California, but over across the border in Arizona teachers get paid practically nothing. Now I make very little and I am happy to be out of teaching. Really I was being nice by letting people know where you can find good paying teaching jobs, and you turned my post into something it is not.
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  Crazdwriterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I had a college teacher who was teaching Child Development move to Alaska to be a teacher over there. they get paid a hell of a lot more than we do in Cali or any where else. And I only have my Bachlor's degeree no point going for my Masters since I'm staying with Preschool kids. I loved my job and still struggling to find another job, teaching isn't for everyone.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I had all the students in my class other people did not want to deal with, and our school district did not believe in having any special ed program. I felt like I was going to have a heart attack every day because of kids that had many problems I was not equipped to deal with.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That was the problem. You were a teacher's aide, then a first year teacher multiple times. Most of my teachers in high school were getting their Master's degree paid for, not because they necessarily learned anything, but with that they could make quite a bit more than they were making before.
  
  If you look at the link I provided you see that more and more funds are provided for teachers to get their master's degree, then they put further strain on the budget because now they make more money.
  
  As for being a pre-school teacher, I don't think they have a very good union. The only reason teachers get as much as they do is because of their union. It's no wonder they campaign for Obama in their classrooms.
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Crazdwriterposted 14 years ago
Yea then I would definitely wouldn't like teaching, SweetiePie if I got stuck with kids I wasn't preparied for. I actually hated my last two teaching positions because the first was 22 3-4 year olds some were potty-trained some not, all who were there from 6-6 and it was more daycare than a preschool which I hate. And then the second one was 2 year olds now potty trained and yea I can't handle 2 year olds...I need the older kids 3-5 is my age range.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I hope you find the teaching position that you are looking for .
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  Crazdwriterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks I am trying to get back into a Lutheran Preschool, they pay better (since my friest 5 years was at a Lutheran Preschool) and they are more structured in the way I like it ,plus more welcoming.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Working at a good school with a supportive staff is always the best . One year I was a long term sub at a school and only made sub pay, but that was my best teaching experience ever.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I've had a few friends do that, they love teaching at Lutheran schools. The students tend to be better behaved as well, which is just a bonus.
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Crazdwriterposted 14 years ago
I'm on a sub list but have yet to be called. When will the teachers get sick dang it? lol and I don't even qualify for any other jobs. I filled out an application for PetSmart and nothing, even Disneyland turned me down lmao Yea sad sad day in the neighborhood.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So you are in California? You know I tried to get part time jobs at places like PetSmart and RiteAid and I never heard back in the past. I sub too from time to time still, but they have not called me this year.
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  Crazdwriterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yep I live in Anaheim Cali a few minutes from Disneyland that's wjy I applied there just for sh!ts and giggles and to see if i could actually get a job
  
  I think teachers' immune systems are getting better lol. except for mine I always seem to get sick for a bit. lol but I never call in sick. I share the wealth lmao
  
  And I wonder why they nevr call back? we to educated for them? or we don't have the right stuff to work with animals and people? lol
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If it is not too far for you to drive I recommend subbing in the Ontario-Montclair district. My friend used to get jobs year around out there. Other part time jobs just never wanted to hire me I felt like. I work at a library and write here online, but even with the budget cuts the library may be laying people off in the coming months. It is all very scary.
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  Crazdwriterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'll have to look into that distrcit. And yea it is scary when a great place like libraries start laying people off.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's because it's getting bad out there. Some of those stores may not be open in a year. The old standby of going to work for a retailer isn't going to work anymore. People can't afford to buy stuff anymore. That's why I'm a bid advocate of going back to school, retrain now while you can, then you will be ready when things recover.
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  Crazdwriterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You know me already going back to school starting Spring 2010 and can't wait though looking at the list of classes for the BA that I want...I don't want to take a lot of those classes lol
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SweetiePieposted 14 years ago
However, going into more debt with educational loans may not always be the answer.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's why you have to be smart about it. Find a place that has a shortage of skilled workers and will have such a shortage for a long time. Healthcare for instance. You're correct, though, education for education's sake may not be the best thing. How easy can it be to get a job if you've studied Bisexual Asian Literature, for example?
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have a background working at the library since I was a college student, so when the economy gets better I can be a full time library specialist. These are not full librarians, but they have many of the same duties. I actually would be happy with that because I would not have to go more in debt obtaining a master's degree in library science.
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  Crazdwriterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I looked into working at a library...yea I don't qualify for that lol I just want to put the books back on the shelves but...according to what I read I wouldn't qualify
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I could use a second for my act....
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I started out as a page in college, and now I am a library clerk. However, I have to do reference in the kid's room from time to time, and I am good at it because I used to be a teacher, and I know what the kids have to read. I also have read many of the books that adults enjoy, so I would not mind being a library specialist as they simply help people do research. The pay is not stellar, but I think it would be a wonderful career for me. I actually had an interview for a part-time position two years ago, but since I already work part time with this library I did not see the point. I am hoping eventually more full time positions will open at libraries once the economy improves again .
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Just be careful. It may be a while until things improve. Is the library you work at affiliated with a college or is it a city library? If it is a city one, be aware that budget cuts may force them to lay off staff. Even colleges may have to cut back if this goes on long enough. The days of putting in 20 years at a place and getting a gold watch seem to be behind us.
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I work for a city, and we are in danger financially. I may end up going back for another degree, but I just really want to think it out this time.
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Jane@CMposted 14 years ago
I think it depends on the district you work for too

The hockey coach & physical education teacher for the high school lives down the street, in a lovely 350,000 home. Drives very nice vehicles & has an extreme boat.

In November we will vote for yet another tax levy to cover the cost of the district. Our district truly runs on a shoe string budget, with low admin overhead. We are, however, one of the top districts in the state.

An average high school in the metro has at least 6 administrators, we have four. There are 7 people who work in the district office. This isn't a small district either, 2009 grad class had 500 kids.

So she chose porn - can't judge her for that. But there has to be an underlying reason as to why her children have been given over to their father...something is missing in the story, I think.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  She's a stripper. That's all DFS needs. The sad thing is that more and more women are going to choose that career, not because they want to, but because they want to eat. I wonder if Times Square will wind up reverting to what it was during the 1970's before this is all over.
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Lisa HWposted 14 years ago
If everyone who earns 30,000 a year or less became porn stars there would be one heck of a lot more porn stars. Not everyone who doesn't earn much money sees becoming a porn star as option. Although some people do become victimized and get forced into things like porn, people who get into it just because they don't earn much money aren't among those "forced into it". Who does what is their own business; but teachers shouldn't be surprised if school boards and parents aren't too happy to know their movies and pictures are out there.
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Crazdwriterposted 14 years ago
uh oh..you're act? what sort of act is that, Ron?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  Crazdwriterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  HAHA again I can't see it hehehe
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  http://www.drinkalot.com/_pictures/fat_ … ripper.jpg
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  I*n*v*i*c*t*u*sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  OMG That is my Health & Nutrition Teacher!
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Crazdwriterposted 14 years ago
I wanna get a part time job at a libraray! I have one not too far from where I am but I don't think they are hiring and plus IT'S TOO DANG SMALL! lol I like BIG libraries hehe
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Crazdwriterposted 14 years ago
Any particular degree in mind? I'm going for my BA and then maybe Masters in English...just to better my writing skills and hopefully help me more on becoming a published author I want to be one so badly but so far....
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If I obtained a second degree it would be a second master's in history, but I really hesitate to do that. Most of my interests are in fields that are primarily teaching related, and I would rather see how things go with the library. Also, I am becoming more adept at the crafting thing, so I definitely want to publish a fiction book and a crafting book one day . I think at this point I will probably not go back to school, but there is always the possibility I could change my mind.
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  Crazdwriterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why not go back to school since you are only working part time and get your degree just to have it as a back up just in case?
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Debt I would imagine. Debt only works for you if you have a plan for making more money while paying it off. Otherwise it's a liability.
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  Crazdwriterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That is true...I hate debt!
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  My student loan debt is way too high in my opinion. I just want to pay it off, and I know eventually I will find something full time. In the meantime I sub during the school year and write online in addition to the library, so I am doing okay money wise. I am not a millionaire, but I am happy at the present moment .
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Uninvited Writerposted 14 years ago
That is just...words cannot describe...
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Mighty Momposted 14 years ago
Uh, Ron. Don't quit your day job, hun:-).
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why, what could you possibly mean?
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I thought you played for the Colts.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  Nope, just a cheerleader.
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well then, I disagree with Mighty Mom. Please quit your day job.
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Crazdwriterposted 14 years ago
ooooooo....yea no thanks I'll stick to being unemployed yea lol
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Mighty Momposted 14 years ago
Back to the original story of Tiffany losing her job teaching biology at a high school when photos of her being a bikini escort on boats were published on the internet. Hmmm. I wonder who published them?
As for doing porn -- I don't believe that it was the "only job she could get."
The problem as I see it is not that teachers are not paid enough. Clearly Tiffany knew the pay when she took the job at Pt. Lucie HS. She is entirely free to work a second or third job.
But I can see how a school board would have a problem with her selection of that particular moonlighting gig. In "their minds" she "could be" setting a bad example for the impressionable high school students.
One would also have to look at what her contract says about external employment...
When I worked at a law firm there was a beautiful young blonde who worked as relief receptionist/mail delivery assistant. It was widely rumored she was an exotic dancer by night working her way through school. In this context, the law firm had no cause to fire her for her after-hours work. I mean c'mon. It's pretty hard to corrupt lawyers:-)

Back to Tiffany. There's gotta be more to this story. Losing custody of her kids to her ex-husband? Gotta wonder if maybe HE posted the pictures to get her in trouble at school so he could take the kids.... Something just is not adding up in this...
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  Crazdwriterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  After I read your post yea that does have a ring to it...something fishy...
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  nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Teachers are paid enough. Two proofs:
  
  1. Teaching jobs are hard to get. The market favors the buyer. If the jobs stunk, no one would be applying. Regardless of the state of the economy, a good school district has a mile-long list of applicants for every opening. If the jobs went unfilled, then I'd agree we weren't paying enough.
  
  2. How many times have you heard the heart-warming story of a teacher who changed a child's life or went the extra mile to help his/her class? Every school has teachers like that. If we weren't paying them enough, we wouldn't be getting these results.
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Mighty Momposted 14 years ago
What do I mean don't quit your day job?
Um, just that looks fade, and you likely won't be able to command top dollar for your exotic dancing forever (more like, ever). I'd sincerely hate to see you put all your career hopes into a profession that's uh, not right for the majority of people is all .
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, OK. I thought you were possibly making fun of my weight. I get a little emotionally sensitive at this time of the month.
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Mighty Momposted 14 years ago
You look a lot taller in your cheerleader outfit, Ron.
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Crazdwriterposted 14 years ago
LMAO are you sure that is your teacher?
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I*n*v*i*c*t*u*sposted 14 years ago
dunno, maybe if I see him from a front view to be sure! lol
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  Crazdwriterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  lol mentals not needed! lmao
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  OK, we'll pretend you've never seen it.
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  Crazdwriterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  lmao yea right thanks I blame you Ron! hehehe
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  I*n*v*i*c*t*u*sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  HHHHeeeeeeeeellllllllllpppppppp!!! I'm BLIND!!
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Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago
Do you have any hookers living on your street SP? just curious because ,I have one that lives upstairs in the next apartment. Im sure she is a nice girl deep down inside ,but she keeps us awake ,coming an going .

I just wished she kept teachers hours
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  SweetiePieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I live in a very quiet residential area. We have homeless people that sleep in the orange fields and that pick oranges, but that is about all the excitement we get around here.
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Mishaposted 14 years ago
Don't see anything wrong with being a porn star.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If it were youre daughter,sister or wife Misha would you still be happy for them , or might you wish more for them?
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yep, I would
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  Lisa HWposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Even if you know that there's a seedy (to say the least) "world" surrounding the making of porn movies that includes "elements" that go way beyond whether someone takes her clothes off for a paycheck? Even knowing the types of people who run that business, knowing how they view and treat the "talent", knowing how they're making their money off your daughter's "work"? Even knowing that among the porn-viewing audience there will be x percent freaks "thinking about" your daughter (who, maybe, only ten years ago was a ten-year-old child)? And, even knowing that the viewers who aren't generally sick freaks are still essentially using your daughter for their own purposes?
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You seem to have quite a few misconceptions about this particular business and humanity in general. Ask Gamergirl, she might be able to tell you that people who work there are as normal as you or me.
  
  As for the "dirty" thoughts, I don't think they are dirty, they are natural and actually are a compliment. I know most Western people can't understand this concept, but this is your problem, not mine. Say "thank you" to Christianity for total distortion of your views on sexual related matters.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You obviously haven't read "song of Solomon" from the OT. Biblical porn at it's finest.
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well, it says "another cheek", too
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  Lisa HWposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Christianity had little to do with my own preference not to work in the porn industry and not to see my daughter work in it. I think more it's just personality. I was about four years old when my sister (nine) was in a dance recital, and I sat in the audience thinking how I never wanted to perform for other people. Adults in the audience were laughing at the littlest girls dancing; and although I don't think I knew the word, "dignity" as I watched, that's what was on my mind when I saw the five-year-olds being laughed at and the kids my sister's age seeming to love all the attention. In this example, there was no sexual aspects involved at all. It was a matter of seeing performing for others as less than dignified.
  
  I don't think sex is "dirty" (that was your word, not mine). There's a difference, though, between thinking its dirty and not wanting to think of pervs (in the porn audience/readership) looking at your daughter (or son) and getting their thrills from it. People so often seem to divide up the world between "religious people/Christians" and "everyone else who has a more normal attitude toward these things". There are people who fall somewhere in the spectrum between those two extremes, and who have reasons that have nothing to do with religion or morality.
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You may not realized it, but you have your moral beliefs deeply rooted in Christianity. All of us do. The whole body of Western morals is built on it, and you can't just cross out your upbringing. And moral values are being set at the time when you even have no idea what moral means
  
  And don't tell me you meant Romantic thought here
  As much as my English knowledge tells me, you meant exactly sexual thoughts, you meant them imagining sex with the subject of thinking, and even - god forbid - masturbation. You think it is bad, based on your morals - and I think it is good.
  
  And now, not sure I understand how performing for others hurts dignity so much. Are you implying that because you never performed for others your dignity is in some way better than say Julia Robert's? Or US president? Or even Pope for that matter, he does perform for others when he does public speeches...
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Misha are you serious! You dodn't know the difference between a porn star and the Pope! You need to crawl back under the rock you crawled out from under! That is the dumbest liberal logic I think I've ever heard! Any of you liberals think what your boy Misha said makes sense you need some serious help!
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ah, your dignity is hurt too? Poor you
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  OK!OK!......If a person is having anything to do with the sex trade we're not talking dignity, morals or conscience. Those concepts are so far out of sight that the individual never new they existed or they went by so fast they didn't have time to sound out the words.
  
  When human behaviors reach this level that person has given up on their life. It has nothing to do with taking a liberal position based on 'enlightened progressive thought'. This a waste of a human being, doomed to relive the total colapse of the human spirit that makes them special,one of a kind. We'll never know what they might have achieved as a whole person.
  
  If you think, in any way, this is an acceptable behavior you're morally bankrupt. Just some more of that 'good ole' liberal compassion for another human being. How Progressive!
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Must be nice to be so sure of yourself. Unless you've faced the choice of doing something like that or not eating you really shouldn't pass judgment on them. She had her own reasons for doing that, do you even know what those reasons were? If not, you're really talking out of your rear end aren't you?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So you're implying she had no ability or skill to earn a living by being morally resposible. She couldn't work at Mcdonalds, she couldn't wash dishes, she couldn't mow lawns, she couldn't do construction clean-ups, she couldn't stock shelves, she couldn't wash windows, she couldn't collect carts at any number of stores, she couldn't do deliverys, she couldn't clean stables, she couldn't wash cars, she couldn't be a waitress, she couldn't be a bartender, she couldn't sell sodas at the ball game, She couldn't work as a janitor, she couldn't sell minnows at the bait camp, she couldn't work for a cell phone company( common!), she couldn't work at U-rent-it, she couldn't polish shoes, she couldn't work at Sonic, she couldn't at Sam's, she couldn't work at Slick Willie's, she couldn't paint houses, she couldn't hang wallpaper, she couldn't wash RV's, she couldn't work at Tool O-Rama, she couldn't work at Big Billy's drive-thru Beer barn or she couldn't pass out flyers? Well Hell! Who would want to watch a quadruple amputee strip or anything else? ( just in case you missed my message I'm implying your reasoning is flawed and you're dumbass)
  
  Look little mister potty mouth! You know how mommy feels about that. We all know about your girly magazine stash. When they talk to you it sounds real, it may seem real and you want to believe the best because how could someone that makes you feel soooo good be bad. You can call that moral behavior when you're alone but out here, "Homey Don't Play That!"
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Lisa I believe they are as normal as you and me too, a cousin of mine appeared as a mermaid years ago and the crew won the best dressed award ,appearing on the over of the towns magazine. Her dad was hurt and felt ashamed though.
  
  If I was going to blame anyone ,Id blame the men who keep this industry alive...but I guess its all about choices.
  Work in MaDonalds for peanuts or strut ya stuff for the whole damn bush
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Honest answer thanks,
  
  Supply and demand..free marketing an all that jazz
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nope, I don't think this would be about free markets and such. Rather about ability to explore oneself and the World around using many routes.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Normally I would agree with you ,however I dont think you need to visit a sewer for example ,to know that it stinks
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I know you are a christian, I said already what I think about Christian relationship with sex. Poor thing.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh stick to the topic ,if you can.
  I am not even going to ask how you know about how I have sex
  
  Poor Misha
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Are you done editing?
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Evidently
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  IDK, I returned to the post three times, every time there was something different
  
  I think I was still on the topic.
  I don't know how you have sex, but I know that you believe it is dirty - it's evident from what you wrote.
  I am not sure I am poor. It changes every day
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I backspaced once..maybe your eyes were playing tricks.
  I dont believe sex is dirty,(how does your mind come up with this) and you are silly to assume anything actually.
  
  You said you thought they should try out new ventures (something like that) and since the OP was to do with a girl stripping and you expressed you were ok with it.
  Hence I said , ...but you dont need to visit a sewer to know that it stinks (refering to the sex industry as a whole)..
  
  Somehow out of that you felt justified to attack my faith.
  
  Odd.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you.
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Lisa HWposted 14 years ago
Misha, maybe I do have misconceptions. I'm basing a lot of my own thoughts on things like the ABC news special that was done by (if I recall correctly), Diane Sawyer; and also a Nightline series on the porn industry in the America. (These two are the quickest examples to come to mind.)

Of course, the one on porn movies was about young girls going to Hollywood, believing they'd end up in "legitimate" movies; and being lured into a really, really, ugly world of porn and mistreatment. This particular program was done within the last few years.

I know that these days there may be "Fred and Sally Regular-Seeming, who live across the street in any suburban neighborhood" who make their own movies or otherwise are involved with porn; but unless all the documentaries I've seen are just lies (which they could be, I guess), "Fred and Sally Regular-Seeming" are only one part of the porn business.
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I would think every area of human activity has its darker sides, and using a bed as a carrier springboard is known to work universally. However I do trust my wife's judgment, and I am making my best to raise my daughter in such a way so I can trust her judgment, too.
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Colebabieposted 14 years ago
She was on our local radio station this morning. She used to work on a topless charter boat in the area. That's how she lost her job. Then she was offered the adult industry job. Of course there are other ways to make money. But very few where you can make 100-150K/year right off the bat. The $$ was just too tempting. Of course that comes at a cost. But it is her personal choice.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Absolutely is her choice and I did say earlier money is strong incentive I think.
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Mishaposted 14 years ago
I am always odd, didn't you notice?
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lrohnerposted 14 years ago
I'm not sure why there's even a debate on this. Yes. Teachers' salaries in Florida suck big time. My daughter lived in Florida, she wanted to be a teacher, and she moved back to Connecticut so she could actually make a decent living. My other daughter is completing her degree in teaching in South Carolina, but their salaries suck as well. So she's moving back to the Northeast so she can make a decent living. If more teachers down there just said "no" and there weren't enough teachers to go around, maybe those governments would wake up??? Just a thought...
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BJCposted 14 years ago
Just to rock the boat here - too bad the teacher resorted to porn to earn a living. Yup, she's a person, most people don't condemn her, but her life is shortchanged.

Porn is destructive and no, the Song of Solomon is not porn. Sex is great and meant to be enjoyed, but not with the world. Old fashioned here, but that's okay too, sex is better with your own spouse. It can be fun, enjoyable, and everything it's meant to be. People are not animals that they have to have sex with whoever they want to.

As for the girl, well, teachers don't get paid very much and they put up with a lot of crap, but this is an example of how our society is diminishing.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Have you considered giving lessons in what good common sense is all about? There's some people here who need your help.
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  BJCposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yup, I have, problem is some have what is called selective listening!! Thanks for the kind words!
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Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago
Chavaunistic attitudes I bet.
Ok to watch someone elses daughter ,just dont fantasize about mine
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Lgaliposted 14 years ago
I am amazed to find the reaction on this topic.
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Lisa HWposted 14 years ago
Misha, you're making up stuff about how I think that just isn't the case. It's not about thinking sex is dirty. It's about knowing that there are people who are pathological perverts and rapists, and not wanting THAT kind of thinking directed at my own daughter or other people's daughters.

When my daughter was little I was visiting someone who had a foster child. I didn't know anything about the girl's background. The girl's father had come to pick her up, and I didn't like the way he was looking at my preschool daughter. It was different and creepy and not the way anyone looks at a preschool child. Later I learned the reason his daughter was in foster care, and you can guess what that was. The guy was only in that kitchen for a few minutes (until could leave with his daughter), and everyone else was there as well. Nothing would have/could have happened. Still, seeing that creepy way he was eying my preschooler made it so clear that those were the kind of eyes I didn't want having her in focus. If he was thinking perv thoughts about my child would it really have been any consequence to her? No. Still, it's normal and natural that a mother and a woman doesn't want a perv even noticing her daughter. The thing that pervs and all victimizers (and would-be victimizers) have in common is that they don't see their victims as human beings. I don't think too many mothers are ok with the idea of their daughters' increasing their chances of gaining the attention of a perv-freaks.

It has nothing to do with thinking sex is dirty for any parent not to want her own child to be the focus of some pervert's attention, even if she's on a tv screen and he's in his living room. Besides, women who work as prostitutes and even exotic dancers are at high risk of having sicko-freaks murder them. The way to not attract a higher number of freaks than anyone has to attract is not to work where they go.

As far as the "dignity thing" goes, you've turned what I said I thought when I was four years old into something you assume I still think. My point was that people have their natures/personalities very young; and that while some little girls were delighted with the whole dance-recital thing, I saw it differently at four years old. Do I see it as "undignified" that people like Julia Roberts perform? No, but I'm guessing people like she often have to go through a lot of undignified auditioning and other processes before they get to where she is. When we hear about some of the things high-paid actors are put through when making movies (things that sometimes place them at risk of physical harm), I do see a certain amount "soul-selling" that's involved with many public professions. In a separate scenario, I see lack of dignity in something like politicians having to say crap they don't really believe just to get the approval and votes to get into office. Or, worse, when they go on those "apology tours" with their wives after they've been unwilling or unable to behave themselves while they're in office. The point is that while I didn't see dance recitals as "undignified" by the time I put my own little girl in dancing school, the concept of dignity and self-respect do remain important to me (whether talking about porn-performing or any number of other things in life).
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Mishaposted 14 years ago
Sorry Lisa, I see no reason in continuing, we obviously speak different languages here.
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  Lisa HWposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  We do "speak different languages", but that's what makes the world go around, I guess.
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Lisa HWposted 14 years ago
It is well known that many girls and women who are able to overcome any reservations they may have about being in porn are only able to do so because they were victims of sexual abuse earlier in life and were often robbed of the luxury of having a sense of self-respect and dignity. There's a good chance that the thing that sends one "self-respecting, dignified" young mother to a welfare office may well be her inability to cross her own line of "acceptable options" is whether or not those lines of dignity and self-respect were erased long ago.

I can see introducing the morality issue into things when talking about those people who make money off young women in porn; but I don't think it really has a place when discussing the young women, themselves. That's no "Liberal compassion" - that's just knowing that for a whole lot of, if not most, of these young women; some trusted adult (who should have been aiming to nurture self-respect and dignity) taught them how to get used to being used and "learn" that it "isn't a big deal".
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So your premiss is morally wrong is ok sometimes. If this wasn't an option because it was illegal what would she do? In this case, in particular, we're talking about an educated woman, or did you miss that? If you say," it's ok I understand," where are your morals? If thats your concern get them help, show them away, don't condone bad behavior. Thats just a cop-out.
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  Lisa HWposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't "condone" the behavior; and it isn't my, personal, job to get someone help unless she asks me, personally; and even then I may not be in a postion to get someone else help. There's a difference between condoning behavior and choosing not to put myself on some high horse and deem anything I don't happen to like as "immoral". My "morals" are dictated by whether someone is hurting others or only himself or nobody, and the degree to which that person is/isn't hurting others/himself/nobody. My premise is not that porn is "wrong" only sometimes. It's about whether any one person's role in any activity exploits someone who may be willing to work as a result of bad stuff happening in their childhood. Some people "judge" the person who takes her clothes off to pose in a magazine. I "judge" the people who invite that individual to pose (and who will make a lot of money when she does). Strippers often have to pay the business establishment to be allowed to dance there; and then, as far as I know, they have to share what they earn each night with the business owner as well. They're not paid by the establishment at all, and they don't even half-baked benefits or other employees' rights because of it.
  
  As I've mentioned before, I don't see a lot of self-respect or dignity in something like being a stripper, but I think it's the least of my problems if someone else does that for work. I think it's far more wrong for a father (who has a daughter he treasures and would never want in porn) to view "adult entertainment" that features someone else's daughter - so, yes, I separate "level of immoral", based on whom I see as potentially exploited.
  
  What always amazes me in these discussions is how people take something someone else says, imagine a whole other bunch of stuff that the person did not say anything about at all; and then form an opinion or another part of the "debate". Somewhere earlier I said I wouldn't want my daughter in porn, and someone jumped from that to an imagined, "You're a Christian" type of thing. Above, I pointed out that understanding that a lot of women involved in adult entertainment and prostitution were abused as children; and that not being too quick to condemn that for a choice we not think much of is not "Liberal compassion". So then you jump from that to "where are your morals?". I'm pretty solid in my "morals"; but it is because I have "morals" (I'd prefer to say "standards of character") that I don't think it's "moral" to condemn as "immoral" someone who was more than likely damaged by some form of abuse before she ever decided to take a job in porn. If people didn't try to make big bucks by establishing their porn businesses, and if other people weren't willing to pay for porn (or strippers or prostitutes or whatever else); there would be no such "work" for former victims of abuse. I agree with "personal responsibility", but some of these women think they ARE being responsible when they take work so many would prefer not to take because they see it as a way to earn the best money (often for themselves and their children).
  
  If I were in dire circumstances and had a child to feed would I take one of those jobs? No - but that's because I had the luxury of a childhood that included loving parents, and I was never abused or mistreated. From where I am, I would see that losing self-respect, being objectified, and having no dignity. If I had the misfortune (that so many people do) of being robbed of self-respect, genuine love, and dignity at, say, six or ten years old - then that "obstacle" may not stop me from taking such work either. I'm not a fan of porn. I, personally, would love to see the whole industry go away. Still, all porn is not equal; and when we know how common it is that women in porn have been victimized at some point in their lives, I don't think it's moral to make a blanket condemnation of every porn worker as "immoral". (If it wasn't an option because it were illegal, chances are a lot of these people would do the next thing - which might be losing their homes, going to welfare, or whatever else they're hoping to avoid.)
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Now we get to the heart of the matter. You are opposed to the idea of porn and want to see it go away. That's why you hold the views you do. Which is your business. Not to mention the fact that you make a lot of assumptions about people who go into that business which is incorrect. Do a Wikipedia search on Nina Hartley, she teaches human sexuality at Berkeley, I'm sure she'd take offense at your casting her as a poor victim of sexual abuse.
  
  I've worked with kids that have been perpetrated against, and they are each one of them, individuals. Quite frankly I'm incensed that you'll lump all of these kids into a box labeled "future pron star" when it seems you have no experience working with people dealing with abuse issues. Do some of these kids go on to make bad decisions? Sure. You can't force anyone to make good ones. Does that bad decision always include porn? Depends. It may be hard to believe but some people actually like making those movies, who are you to tell them what they are doing is wrong?
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's an assumption and a poor one. While there are girls who get into porn because they were abused, they seem to be in the minority. Ever talked to a porn star? Ever asked them why they got into the business?
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  BJCposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am no liberal, in any sense of the word. However the majority of the females who work in the porn industry, strip clubs, or such have generally been abused by males at some point in their life. Lisa HW is right on target with this one.
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Credible source, please
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  BJCposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have spoken to the women themselves and the kids. That's credible to me. You don't have to believe me
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Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago

Nope, some of us just gots it and likes to show it!
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Colebabieposted 14 years ago
Raising 3 children on 7.25/hr? I can barely raise myself and I make more than that.

And a lot of those stores I've never heard of, so they aren't in Port St. Lucie. In understand your point that there are job options that require little or no education and little or no experience. However, Florida sucks for jobs right now, and none of those pay like the adult industry does. Even as a teacher, with a full time job and benefits, she still had another job.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So give up? Take the easy way out? If she has kids to raise and she does this, that makes it worse! She had a job. It was her behavior that caused the problem and her behavior was based on greed. I know alot of school teachers and they don't make crap but, they don't sell their body either. Stop making excuses and stand up for whats right, have some nads!
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  See you don't even know the situation. Or the woman. Your opinion is your opinion. Doesn't make you right.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not trying to be right or wrong. We're discussing a situation from outside looking in, of course I don't know all the details. From an observers position I would like to see her try something else and get back her selfrespect. But we all know the worlds not always fair and I've had to scamble before. It was damn hard and the hours sucked! My dear liberal friends I believe in being moral it's worked for me but alot of my comments are way over the top just to stir it up. If I had a friend struggling I would do anything to get them back on track. You just don't quit.
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Mishaposted 14 years ago
LOL Don't feed the troll.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Troll Misha? Who are you Billygoat Gruff? You haven't had an intelligent thought on this topic yet! A porn star is the same as the Pope, Misha even for you that was dumb. Your little smiley faces are cute, is that all you got?
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Colebabieposted 14 years ago
I think I've already had a conversation with him/her. Hmm... not sure... oh well. I usually forget the ones that don't matter to me...
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That would be assuming you have a mind and the jury still out.( don't worry I'll vote for you don't git all swolt)
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BJCposted 14 years ago
As a teacher of many kids who have parents who have been in jail, are on drugs, sell drugs, work at strip clubs, etc. I have seen firsthand the destruction this lifestyle does to the kids.

Sure, women do this as a job to earn money for a variety of reasons, some even use sex as a control issue over men.

However, it is degrading and when you are around kids who have parents in situations like the above, they are in a lose lose situation.

Sex is great, between one husband and one wife - married to each other that is
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Then apparently I don't have great sex. Damn
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  BJCposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Probably not.
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well I'm gonna go test that theory. Have a good night everyone!
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  Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Good sex to you
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  Colebabieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And to you Misha
  I'll post results tomorrow... wonder what they'll be (I'm guessing same as last night... but it's just a hypothesis)
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