A disturbing comment, how many people have this attitude?

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   Tom Cornettposted 14 years ago

   I read this comment on the "Republican Quotes and Analysis" hub written by pmm349.
   
   "You guyes like Ronald Reagan are racist because we takin over...deal with it slave owner. You think you wont be a slave. sit n watch sucka... BARRACK OBAMA,tell that 2 yo mamma"

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      ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I'd say that's the product of about forty years of Johnson's Great Society.

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         nicompposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Well said, brother. Too bad most people have no idea of the damage Johnson and Moynihan did to the US.

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            mirandalloydposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Well whatever they did, it was probably well before I was born. What happened that was so damaging?

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               ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               They created the modern welfare state and by so doing created a huge underclass of people who only consume, they don't produce anything, which is a shame in many ways.

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            Publius Valeriusposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            It goes back farther than that, at least to the unconstitutional New Deal.

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      Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      If it was my hub I wouldn't have approved it. Why should a racist get a pulpit?

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         ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I'd have approved  it.  By your actions shall you be known.  Any reasonable person would see that comment as racist and biased.  Anyone who agrees with it shows that they are just as biased and racist as the person who posted the comment.  Words are just that, words.  They only have the power we give them.  Which is, I suppose, why I'm so virulently against PC.

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            Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            By allowing it you do give it power. Words are not just words - they have the ability to do terrible harm (look at cap and tax - just words, right?) Posting a comment on someone else's hub is a privilege granted to you by the author, not your right to do so. Why grant that privilege to something so base?

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               ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               No words are just words.  Even cap-and-tax.  Now when you talk about actions, well that's a different kettle of fish entirely.  Acting on cap-and-tax is not the same as talking about it.  Which is why I'm virulently committed to the First Amendment.
               
               What you can't control is how people react to such statements.  Look what we've had here so far.  People thinking a black person wrote it, people who dismiss that, people who focus on the fact that it was racist no matter who wrote it, people who think it should be censored, people who think it shouldn't, etc. etc.  None of which makes a difference until someone acts on those beliefs.  That is what truly matters, actions, not words.  Words describe ideas, but actions make those ideas happen.

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                  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  You have a much greater faith in human nature than I do. Cap and tax is about to become law - words that insist on certain actions on your part, or you go to jail. Should a person stay in a verbally abusive relationship, or defend their self respect? Do you let a dog sh*t in your livingroom or do you demand he go outside?
                  
                  This isn't about freedom of speech - or the idea that you're not PC if you deny posters on your hubs.
                  
                  It's about setting boundaries.
                  
                  Some people get very abusive. Under free speech that's their right. It is then my right to kick their sorry ass down the stairs. Then, maybe, just maybe, they might go, "hmmm", and think a little bit before continuing in their current behavior.
                  
                  It makes for a more polite society all around, knowing that this behavior is unacceptable.

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                     ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     By becoming law you've moved from words to deeds.  I still stand by my statement.  I'd not say I have faith in humanity, I don't, but I do have faith in economic law.  Cap and Tax won't work.  Just because an idiot politician decrees it doesn't make it so.  Still the more of this stupidity our current "leaders" do, the more pain it will inflict on the voting public.  Sooner or later people will insist on real change.  Remember, nobody saw Regan coming, and while he fell short of his promise, he did more to fix things than any other President in the 20th century.

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                        Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Laws are nothing but words and as such have power all on their own. Look at the Constitution. The bastards have been trying to break that for 233 years. This is about kicking some creep in the teeth (with words) so he'll be more polite.

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                           Anam Cara999posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           You seem very angry.

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                              Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              Is that your attempt at neural linguistic programming?

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                                 Anam Cara999posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 No. Just an observation.  Your rhetoric doesn't seem conducive to discussing issues in a realistic manner.
                                 
                                 But I'm sure that is fine on this forum, really.

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                                    Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    What is a "realistic manner" based on what I've posted so far?

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                           ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           About the Constitution, it's been ignored for well over a century.  It's deeds that matter, not words.  Not that I disagree with you about kicking such a subhuman in the teeth, I agree wholeheartedly with that sentiment.  At any rate, I find myself arguing semantics for some reason lately.  I imagine we have pretty much the same ideas.  It's the definitions we have issues over.

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                              Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              Yes, I can see that. I always enjoy your take on things.

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         Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Free speech for a moment

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      flread45posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I agree with U W a black mand did not write this,because they use a different slang..Black folk don't say you guys!!

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      Marisa Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      The language suggests one of two things - either it's made up, or it's by someone who is seriously intellectually challenged.
      
      If it is a genuine statement (by some uneducated moron), then I can't say I'm surprised.  When I lived in Africa (I won't say which country), I was astonished at how viciously racist many Africans were - against Indians.
      
      You'd think, having endured racism by white people for so long, the last thing they would do is inflict it on someone else.  But the opposite seemed to be true.  A kind of "it's my turn now" mentality.

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      Anam Cara999posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I very much doubt this quote signifies an "average" of most Barrack Obama supporters or most democrats, in general.
      
      It seems to have stirred some people up here, however.

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   mirandalloydposted 14 years ago

   Proof that any human being can be racist, not just white people.

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   Uninvited Writerposted 14 years ago

   The English is too bad and stereotypical to be legitimate... I doubt very much that a black person wrote that...

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      ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      It doesn't matter who wrote it.  It's still an ignorant and violent statement.  In the end that's all we need to know.

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         Shannondoahposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         No it is not genuine, it is contrived, certainly the way a rascist white person, may see a Black person as speaking, so I say the Writer, while may be disturbed is definitely not Black.

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            AEvansposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I agree, I believe it was one of our own that was stirring up trouble. PMM349 should have checked the ip address one may be surprised, personally I believe it is a "Troll" or even a member a undercover member of the KKK or Aryan Nation. The statement was blatantly ignorant and intentional.

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            ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            That's a rather racist comment, perhaps the writer was a disgruntled Mexican.

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      mirandalloydposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Good point. It could very well be a "troll" as well

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      Davinagirl3posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      You're probably right.  The thought that anyone would use their time to write something so mean, and ignorant, saddens me.

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   Publius Valeriusposted 14 years ago

   A few people here have made the faulty inference that the statement was written by a black person, or someone trying to imitate a black person, when there is nothing in the statement that indicates the writer's race. 
   
   The only thing we know for certain is that the statement itself is racist.  And a poor example of English grammar and usage.

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   sbeakrposted 14 years ago

   i feel i have little to offer this thread (due to the articulation already observed thus far) but am keen to see if it keeps going...one of the most relevant and intelligent discussions on the board right now, in my opinion.
   
   we all get mad...i will admit to passionate displays of my own.  but this 'attitude' problem and the either complacent or diplomatic willingness to give it 'airtime' is a bit frightening.  i tend to agree with the view of publicizing idiocy as not to sugarcoat humanity...but were it my hub this comment latched onto, i don't think i would have published it.  personally.

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   fortunerepposted 14 years ago

   and just when I thought ignorance was becoming curble.
   
   dori
   
   have a cup of Kool-aid on me
   
   dori

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   Mishaposted 14 years ago

   Is it just me, or we really got a lot of drama going tonight?

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   fortunerepposted 14 years ago

   This was intended to happen, people fighting and arguing when Barack became preisdent it was expected.  and it will gt worse and the truth of the matter the last thing on obamsa mind is racism, he thinks they are idiot, but I still wouldnt drink the Koo-Aid

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   Anam Cara999posted 14 years ago

   Your language seems a little incendiary in itself, Madame X.  It could be just my own personal feeling, however.  I could be wrong. Different cultures approach 'politeness' differently.

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      Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      If we are to have a conversation, I need to know why you think what you do. Why don't you want to answer the question?

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