I believe in The Bible 100%? or just parts? what parts? or not at all?
I believe in The Bible 100%? or just parts? what parts? or not at all?
a) 100% (do not doubt a word of it ~ ~ ~ state why)
b) a lot of it (pick some parts you don't accept ~ ~ ~ state them)
c) not at all (i would not take a single bit and use it ~ ~ ~ state why)
d) can't stand most of it (which parts do you like ~ ~ ~ state them)
this is both to gather research information and to cause discussion.
please do not toss rocks and bottles through the monitor as this will make you
good answer thank you
many a historian, believer and not, have verified the accuracy of the accounts written. and if an apparent discrepancy shows up, well i can say that our own history has them too.
i look at someone like Josephus and cannot refute him.
if you witnessed a miracle, would you believe that they happened?
it seems that with a multitude of witnesses who were there and saw them and wrote them down would be evidence enough.
we believe eye witness accounts from people about all kinds of things happening in our own history or at the ball park or from our grandparents.
i think it is hard for us to believe anything we do not see. it does not even have to be a "miracle" and yet we still refuse to believe it just because the "all knowing we" were not present and 500 people cannot tell us a thing because "we" have to see it ourselves.
if it was a court of law and 500 witnesses lined up and said they saw a miracle and they are not related, well who is going to discount that?
answer is.
anyone who was not there present.
for me it is about believing in the teachings of The Savior.A handful wrote like reporters about what others saw, just like today.
And these reporters where part of a multitude.
I should have worded it better.
1 Corinthians 15:
3 I passed on to you what was most important and what had also been passed on to me. Christ died for our sins, just as the Scriptures said. 4 He was buried, and he was raised from the dead on the third day, just as the Scriptures said. 5 He was seen by Peter and then by the Twelve. 6 After that, he was seen by more than 500 of his followers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have died. 7 Then he was seen by James and later by all the apostles. 8 Last of all, as though I had been born at the wrong time, I also saw him. 9 For I am the least of all the apostles. In fact, I’m not even worthy to be called an apostle after the way I persecuted God’s church.
Acts 5:
29 But Peter and the apostles replied, “We must obey God rather than any human authority. 30 The God of our ancestors raised Jesus from the dead after you killed him by hanging him on a cross. 31 Then God put him in the place of honor at his right hand as Prince and Savior. He did this so the people of Israel would repent of their sins and be forgiven. 32 We are witnesses of these things and so is the Holy Spirit, who is given by God to those who obey him.”
Acts 10:
39 “And we apostles are witnesses of all he did throughout Judea and in Jerusalem. They put him to death by hanging him on a cross, 40 but God raised him to life on the third day. Then God allowed him to appear, 41 not to the general public, but to us whom God had chosen in advance to be his witnesses. We were those who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead. 42 And he ordered us to preach everywhere and to testify that Jesus is the one appointed by God to be the judge of all—the living and the dead. 43 He is the one all the prophets testified about, saying that everyone who believes in him will have their sins forgiven through his name.”
Acts 13:
29 “When they had done all that the prophecies said about him, they took him down from the cross and placed him in a tomb. 30 But God raised him from the dead! 31 And over a period of many days he appeared to those who had gone with him from Galilee to Jerusalem. They are now his witnesses to the people of Israel.
Acts 1:
1 In my first book I told you, Theophilus, about everything Jesus began to do and teach 2 until the day he was taken up to heaven after giving his chosen apostles further instructions through the Holy Spirit. 3 During the forty days after his crucifixion, he appeared to the apostles from time to time, and he proved to them in many ways that he was actually alive. And he talked to them about the Kingdom of God.
My point is how many witnesses does one need in court? 12 or 500?
If someone does NOT want to believe, they will not, no matter if millions testify.
I am curious as to why YOU do not know about the 500 mentioned?
WELL SAID
- i like that~~~~~ "the Father and know the truth"
please elaborate on that sir.
i know a lot of other things have been written, so if one write a book and yet denies Messiah, is this a good thing?
My answer is (A) why do we not question the air that we breathe? We know we need it to surivive? So why do we question the word of God? For some it is for better understanding, for others it is hard to understand but for everyone so long as the Bible exists so many will question the word of God. What are your beliefs Shaul? Why do you ask so many questions? Do you believe or not believe? If you believe why? If you do not believe please explain.
i ask a lot of questions to gather the mindset of peoples.
to know what is being taught and or interpreted.
my Teacher has taught me to ask a lot of questions, like He did.
not because He did not know the answers, but that people need to think about what they believe so they can tell it to others.
i think if you look at my posts you can tell what i believe.
i believe Messiah called the scriptures what they are when He said...
"you search the scriptures because you think you have life in them, but I tell you that they all speak of Me"
that is all i need to know, cannot get a better witness about it.
He made no correction to any of them either.
Blessed be His glorious name.
Amen.
it's hard to argue with someone who comes to visit you and call Himself the truth.
- \Brenda Scullyposted 14 years ago
0 broad statement, like what is suspect?
Messiah called them "The Scriptures" and said nothing about any of it being in error or "suspect.
so i will take His word over mankind's any day.i am adding it all to my research.
so based on your logic, you siad that the words of Jesus resonated with your understanding.
He said "the scriptures speak of Him" and those scriptures He said He came to fulfill.
so if He said the scriptures speak of Him, those are His words, His words resonate with you, yet you say the scriptures are suspect.
this line of logic does not seem to be a straight line.
Messiah did not correct any of the scriptures in Israel.
so if you believe Him and His words, how do you deny the scriptures He said spoke of Him and that He fulfilled as well?
by the way, "our understanding" is limited, so i will take the understanding of God over my own.
the scriptures say most emphatically to NOT lean on your own understanding.
Proverbs 3:5
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart;
do not depend on your own understanding.ok, i was not arguing to be clear on that matter.
i was just taking your line of reasoning to the logical conclusion.
right, that is what i was saying, the whole of the "Old Testament" was speaking of the Messiah.
so when someone says they believe "His words" but NOT the OT, i do not think they understand what they are really saying.
the term "Old Testament" is completely a "Christian term"
it is actually as a whole called The T a N a K (or Tanakh) an acronym.
T = Torah (1st 5 books)
N = Nevi'im (all the prophets)
K = Ketuvim (all the writings)
yeah the whole silly arse " s e e k e r f r i e n d l y " thing today is a joke.
pick up you execution stake (cross) deny yourself and follow Me"
does NOT sound friendly to me.
although it is best for you, but things that are best for us are often not perceived as "friendly"...perception is often an illusion.WELL SAID again !!!
we all love to have "many ways", this make us feel comfortable, making a hard choice about "One Way" is something we all hate.
His ways are not like ours at all.
we like "the broad way"
He says His way is narrow.
well, no need to wait until you get to heaven when we are told to search the scriptures to gain wisdom, understanding and knowledge on earth.
cannot just give up and say, i will wait and see. we must dig as we are told to do.
James said "if any man lack wisdom on a matter, let him ask of God"
not wait till he gets to heaven.
a judge who has authority over you can chose NOT to exercise that authority over you, but it does NOT mean that he does NOT have it in the first place.
just like a policeman who does not do his job and allows evil to go on that you do,
it does not remove the fact that he has authority.
many who have authority do not do the right thing with it at times.
it takes a great deal to lose ones authority.
people who abuse their authority answer for it.
yes, the fear of God leads one away from evil.
the fear of God gives one authority to put evil and it's lord under ones foot.
perfect love casting out all fear of men and evil and devils.
the awesome reverence for God is what gives one the ability to conquer evil, wrongdoing and injustice. this leads to love, mercy and peace.
God....66% (if it is good it is of God)
Lucifer....33%(took 1/3 of heaven...you know gold thrones, yes boy angels and crap)
Shakespeare....1%
Man's interpretations....97% ego driven, self serving, hate mongering, self righteous blab.dare i ask why?
you do not have to answer that obviously.
what would that be for you?
I believe it's a bunch of stories written to teach lessons and try to share wisdom. I can see how people who believe in God and believe that He's everywhere (including in the hearts/minds of human beings) could believe that efforts to teach lessons and share wisdom in a pretty uncivilized time could be said to be God's messages sent through the words of human beings.
I believe that just as writers on HubPages use different approaches in their Hubs (some write fiction, some write non-fiction, etc. etc.) the same is most likely true of stories in the Bible. Some of the things believed to miracles and super-natural happenings at the time have since been explained by science (now that we live in a time when natural phenomena are better understood). In other words, while I think there is some wisdom to the some of what's in the Bible, I don't believe it's what a lot of people believe it is. (Bring on the lightning strike now!! )I agree Lisa.
yes and amen
.......that would lead to anarchy, chaos, and mayhem.Otherwise known as reality.
And probably an improvement on the wars and killing you guys encourage?why answer a question like that?
no place have i written i condone wars and killing.
Great observation Mike
@ David Bowman: i replied to you with this and i am not sure if you saw it sir. we believe a lot of things from documented eye witness accounts, religious or not. but esp. the secular accounts.
many a historian, believer and not, have verified the accuracy of the accounts written. and if an apparent discrepancy shows up, well i can say that our own history has them too.
i look at someone like Josephus and cannot refute him.
if you witnessed a miracle, would you believe that they happened?
it seems that with a multitude of witnesses who were there and saw them and wrote them down would be evidence enough.
we believe eye witness accounts from people about all kinds of things happening in our own history or at the ball park or from our grandparents.
i think it is hard for us to believe anything we do not see. it does not even have to be a "miracle" and yet we still refuse to believe it just because the "all knowing we" were not present and 500 people cannot tell us a thing because "we" have to see it ourselves.
if it was a court of law and 500 witnesses lined up and said they saw a miracle and they are not related, well who is going to discount that?
answer is.
anyone who was not there present.
for me it is about believing in the teachings of The Savior.if you can, please just reply to Mike and not include the entire gigantic long references too....it kills thread. thanks
I don't know if that is even possible Dave cause if it is recorded that Herod the Great died in 4 BC but the Nativity of Jesus was actually in 6 or 7 BC then in reality Herod the Great's death was actually in 2 or 3 BC. No if we consider the year 0 that would be 1 or 2 BC. Oh man, see how confusing this is already.
I'll try. Anyway this site on Tiberius (yikes, another wikipedia) says Tiberius "was the second Roman Emperor, from the death of Augustus in AD 14".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiberius
If we take 6 or 7 years off 14 AD we come to 7 or 8 AD. Then add the 15 years of reign for Tiberius we come to 22 or 23 AD.
If Jesus was born in 6 or 7 BC then this would put Jesus at the age of 28 or 29 if He was born in 6 BC. Or 29 or 30 if He was born in 7 BC. No we still have to take in the year 0 so that could possibly put Jesus at the age of 30 or 31 during the 15th year of the reign of Tiberius with these figures.
I know what you are getting at Dave, Luke 3:1-2. Luke 3 mentions Jesus' baptism by John the Baptist. Which also started Jesus' 3 and a half year mission when He was 30.
Luke 3:1-2 "Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and Philip his brother tetrarch of Iturea, and the country of Trachonitis, and Lysanias tetrarch of Abilina; 2 Under the high priests Annas and Caiphas; the word of the Lord was made unto John, the son of Zachary, in the desert."
So this does equate. Cool.
Nope. You wanted me to show that there were only 30 years from the Death of Herod to the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius. With the figures above there were less than 30 years from the Death of Herod to the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius. So I guess I don't know what you are getting at Dave. That still may prove what you want, I don't know? It just mentions Tiberius this one time in my Bible.
Yeah sorry folks for derailing this thread but I hope we are all taking something from it.
Dave if you want to start a thread to discuss biblical contradictions I will try to contribute. But it is difficult. Yesterday I forgot to eat until after 7:00 PM. Consider it fasting, I could lose some weight anyway.
why is anyone "HUNG UP ON" the whole thing about testimony being written down 30 years after something happened?
I know I can remember in great detail things that happened to me, to my friends, to my family, on TV, while on vacation 30 years ago and blah blah blah....
no big deal.
And how much better when you go to say a 30th high school reunion and talk to everyone? They remember stuff like it was yesterday.
So let's NOT use this for an argument, it does NOT fly, much less land.
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