Heterophobia on HubPages and anywhere else...

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LovelyThoughtsposted 15 years ago
Still thought it was rude to make fun of the guy who was concerned about his personal information being on a site. Yes he overreacted, but I am sure you can understand someone might be upset if that happened to them.
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That is the job description of a customer service rep. to help. Not to forever damn someone on an International community, or imply that hubbers who oppose are dumbasses. Regardless if that was the intent. The words read dumbasses.
  
  I wasn't aware that a hubpages.com customer service job description, was to insult and piss off fellow hubbers or potential customers. Amazing.
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  LovelyThoughtsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well they seem to like double standards. Oh well I really think the blog post is rude, and I just wanted an explanation as why it is okay for him to say these things, but others are chided if they do it.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm no fan of all this but I am very much against starting arguments about what someone has written on another site.
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  LovelyThoughtsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not arguing with anyone as you can see. I just wanted an explanation. Also, I am free to do this if I like.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's real mature Sweetiepie
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  LovelyThoughtsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not sure what you are talking about, but I think you are a bit immature as well.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  In what way?
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  LovelyThoughtsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  By declaring me immature for having an opinion you do not agree with. Anyway, have a nice day and I guess you are so much better than me.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What I considered childish was saying basically I can say what I want and you can't stop me I was stating my opinion which I am every bit entitled to as you are.
  
  Okay, Sweetiepie, have a nice day.
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  LovelyThoughtsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well I am not Sweetiepie so whatever. I think you like to cause drama yourself, and yes I have a right to ask questions. Sorry you hate me so much and have it out for me, or certain hubbers you think are me.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  When did I say I hated anyone?
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Aha.
  NOW, since the poster you replied to said you hate her, maybe you know what it's like to be accused of hatred when you didn't say you hated anyone! That's something I've gone through here time after time after time.
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Lovely stop. You are not immature. It is very immature of UW to be posting in this manner towards you anyways.
  
  So she is not into ownership and the responsibilities of the care takers of hubpages.com. Her personal attacks against you are still sad.
  
  So you called for accountability from this cust serv rep. As you should have.
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  LovelyThoughtsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You are right I am going to go with you say Intimat. Anyway, he can write whatever he wants. I just thought the way he was going after this lady was a bit harsh.
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And whether you are or not Sweetiepie, who gives a poop.
  
  Why should that even matter? It is not like you are Sab Oh for an example. Personally attacking people, just to attack under that alias. After the original one was banned.
  
  Regardless.... I'm just saying one cannot condone bad behavior because UW thinks you might be someone else. In my opinion, that is an absurd way to argue a point.
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  LovelyThoughtsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No I am just me . Anyway, who cares what she thinks about me LOL.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I didn't say I hated you, I didn't say I disliked you. I just mentioned a name, that is all. The name of the person who told me who Jason was in the first place.
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  LovelyThoughtsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I really do not know about all that, but another hubber who saw the argument between Sa Oh and me the other day pointed some of this out. Maybe it was her, but it was an anonymous email. If she is the one who told me this oh well, she seems nice.
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You are right. And furthermore, it should not matter if his words were written on another site or not. What should matter is that unfortunately they were.
  
  People were called names, accusations towards literacy were made and "pissed off" aggression were irreversibily written.
  
  Damaging goods, no matter where it happen.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why are you taking it so personally? I'm not. None of us is perfect.
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  UW, you have mistaken me for someone who cares about your feelings. I don't care that you don't take personal. So why are you posting to me about it? So you don't take it personal. What now, shall I do the happy dance? What?
  
  It is not that I take it personally. This has nothing to do with personal emotions. For you to think that is immature.
  
  It is about public ownership of off the cuff written remarks. It is about responsibility.
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LovelyThoughtsposted 15 years ago
Intimatevolution happens to be a very careful reader and highly informed person. Yes that was a put down. Oh well this is all my fault for bringing this to light. Still thought the blog post was mean spirited, but hey I am sensitive like that.
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It was horribly mean spirited of him. Why would you write something like that about the people participating with the company you are working for?
  
  Oh I forgot what I read........, he says he was pissed off.
  
  I wonder if Paul Deeds, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, and the countless other business executives in America, would think that that was a good reason for his personal slams.
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livelongerposted 15 years ago
Ah, well, I tried. I'll leave you to bash me to your heart's content in my absence. I'm outta this thread!
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh poor me.........
  
  You wrote it. Poor me nothing.
  
  How about you go write so more bad stuff about hubpages.com, and not answer the point blank questions asked of you.
  
  _____________________________________________________________________
  
  I guess that is another new definition of a real customer service rep.
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
At least we aren't talking about the ridiculous thread that has been going on and on and on.
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
I just stated that I think dragging what people say on other sites and using it against them is wrong. That is my opinion. I'm not an apologist for anyone. Don't make me your target because I disagree with you.
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
I'm just happy this thread has finally been hijacked
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IntimatEvolutionposted 15 years ago
You know, he'll probably get a pay raise for calling people participating at hubpages.com dumbasses, and we who oppose his writings will get banned.

Irony. I bet I've got some hubs now flagged, or something like that. The last time I pointed out something wrong with his position, 3 hubs got flagged. Of course they were unflagged the following Monday. However, it was ironic.
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  LovelyThoughtsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh I had a paragraph long hub deleted once because they said it did not meet the standards of the community. Anyway, I see plenty of one paragraph hubs around here. Sort of why I never got around to writing anything else.
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It is funny how that all works.
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
That really had nothing to do with the point I was making, but if it makes you better to believe that then go ahead.
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
Probably because people don't flag them when they see them. They do have minimum word counts I believe.
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
In the end. Nobody's going to respect Livelonger anymore.
End of story.

One has to think before writing.Or one has to be prepared to stand for what was written.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And the best thing of all?
  
  Threadjack!
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Shadesbreathposted 15 years ago
I read that post through very carefully and I can't see anywhere that he called any hubber anything. He was meticulous in not naming what company he was talking about and in not naming persons involved. I also don't see where he claims to have only one "day job," in fact, it seems pretty clear that his customer service job takes place in the later hours of the day under the sun and can be done without a lot of deep thought, suggesting there is clearly other things on his plate during the earlier parts of the day, thus rendering the ability to pin down just who is he talking about more remote and nebulous. There are other companies besides HubPages that do Online stuff and have customer service reps. He likely also had a life prior to HubPages that could have included customer service.

I think the only mistake he may have made was in allowing people on here to know about that site given how quickly people jump to conclusions and/or take offense. It's like, even if one of those people IS a hubber, there is no way to know it unless that hubber makes a big scene that says, "Hey, you are talking about me" or "talking about so and so" at which point, the fault is actually the person drawing attention to it rather than the person who went to great lengths to make his observations more about facets of humanity and the nature of customer service rather than specific persons. The scene making puts a plausible target on what would otherwise have been no target at all... whether actually or not actually being the person about whom the entry was anonymously made. I believe given these attempts to conceal totally who is being talked about, it is perfectly fair for someone to write about their experiences in their life. If we can't talk about what happens to us, what can we talk about?
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  JeanMeriamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with you totally. It's his blog and his life experience. Even if they were hubbers, who cares? It's not like hubbers are this big unified group that he is talking about. If it wasn't you, why worry about it?
  
  The stuff said in these forums most of the time is far worse than the blog post.
  
  I thought the post was funny.
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
Shades, you are the voice of reason. You said what I was thinking but much more eloquently than I could have
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  Shadesbreathposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I do try to be rational when emotion wants to rule the day. I like emotions, but mainly just lust, jubilation and some of the romantic ones.
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cosetteposted 15 years ago
how's that workin for ya
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  Shadesbreathposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's not going very well. Perhaps I should post a thread like this one, except instead of being totally insulting and demeaming to the gay community, I can be totally insulting and demeaning to women. Surely they will see it my way in the same way the gay community is surely rushing to their local church for conversion now that this thread came out.
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cosetteposted 15 years ago

verily.
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Shadesbreathposted 15 years ago

Sweet, if she is, maybe she'll support MY hetero agenda as part of hers. The irony would be splendid.
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wordscribe41posted 15 years ago
I agree with UW, Shadesbreath and JeanMeriam. I still have a lot of respect for Jason, by the way. I'm not sure why that would change, frankly. I don't think it's fair to use his words from a whole different site against him. I absolutely don't believe he was referring to HP, either. He says that earlier and I believe him. He's a human being with a life outside of HubPages (at least I hope so).

I also thought it was a funny post. Customer service is very difficult, nothing wrong with his venting. No part of me was offended. I didn't know he and Livelonger were one in the same and I don't care. It's certainly not like he was trying to conceal it. It's there for anyone to discover with one click.

I've read his posts and have found absolutely nothing offensive or belligerent. As he said, he's held to the same standards as all other hubbers.
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
Wow.

I leave for a few hours, and the stuff hits the fan! ha

So I've read through the new posts, and I'm very confused.

Is livelonger on the HubPages staff??
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mega1posted 15 years ago
turn up the heat - I'm taking em off!! really I can't imagine what those people have done that gets Brenda so wound up - her and a bunch of other people - I wonder what happens when someone speaks a foreign language around her! Oui! Oui! Merde!
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
Hmm.....

I found this finally, copied/pasted below------

"Jason Menayan on HubPages
I am the Marketing Manager here at HubPages. I love travel, great food, and all the cool stuff that continues to develop online."

I'm a Ky/Indy hillbilly and am not sure what a "Marketing Manager" does, here or there, but yeah I'm just a bit peeved that Jason (livelonger) has shown such seeming-bias in his treatment of me and my views.

While I can see and understand that anyone has the right to express their views, I do ask the question of----isn't Jason's behavior vewwwy unprofessional? I feel similar to the way I feel when Obama and his minions make their decisions behind closed doors based on their own view of what THEY want without considering the citizens represented by the Right.

Care to explain yourself, Jason!?
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  cosetteposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  hey Brenda, why don't you shut up?
  
  thank you.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Excuse you-NOT.
  
  What's your problem?
  I could ask YOU why YOU don't "shut up"!
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah !
  
  Maybe she's still 'sleepy'
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  cosetteposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  haha well because i am not the one on some CRUSADE
  
  as for tantrum's comment i just got here and read this so i am commenting on it, 'k?
  
  i am not 'friends' with Jason. i will comment on any thread if i see it, so what?
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sure.
  
  Have you ever been banned or disciplined here on HubPages, Brenda?
  
  Since you can't be trusted to answer or answer truthfully (you've demonstrated that plenty of times), the answer is no. In my official capacity, I only discipline those who violate the rules, including plenty of people I do like and share sympathies with. (Plenty of your posts could be construed as hate speech, which is not allowed, but I've always let you get away with it.)
  
  So exactly how do you claim that you've been treated with bias? In an official capacity, you haven't been disciplined at all. You've been free to blather on about how gay people are "disgusting" and "perverts" with all the zeal you apparently have for the subject matter. The fact that I challenge you and point out that using the Bible as a weapon is highly hypocritical of you does not mean you're a victim of bias in any official capacity.
  
  As usual, imagined victimhood that only fools those who haven't been paying attention...including a few people here who I did have to ban for personal attacks against other users.
  
  If you still think you're a victim of bias on HubPages without any, you know, actual evidence to support that, then, well, maybe HubPages isn't the right community for you. I believe cosette was nice enough to show you the door.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  First of all, Jason.
  
  Thanks (not) for wielding your power in the demeaning way you just did.
  
  Second of all, I've referred to the sexual ACTIONS of homosexuals as "perverted" and "disgusting", and abnormal, yes. But I don't think I've EVER called ANY HUBBER a pervert.
  
  You, however, have personally followed me around and PERSONALLY insulted and attacked me for the fact that I've been divorced.
  
  The evidence for that is in many many posts of yours!
  
  Are you now going to claim ignorance of those posts?
  Are you now going to ban me because I've spoken Biblical Truths?
  Are you so audacious that you think you can behave in an underhanded biased way and get by with it just because you're "Staff"?
  
  Looks like it to me.
  
  If you're gonna do those things, maybe ANY site that takes pride in free speech and free writing isn't for YOU, especially in a moderating capacity.
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
So now we are 'dictatorial' !!!

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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
Wow again.

Cosette apparently wants to stifle my freedom of speech.....

I wonder why, after all the threads around here asking about homophobia, and others made in the name of such things as sex preferences and threesomes and masturbation and so many "taboo" subjects........why is it that a thread asking if people are fearful of straight marriage/sex....becomes a matter of attacking the thread author and demanding she (me) shut up?
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  cosetteposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  oh boy
  
  well i have people coming over today so i can't get into it with you. i am not trying to 'stifle' your 'freedom of speech'...but you go on and on and on about the 'evil, perverted homos', isn't that so? yet you have never said how you would deal with your fellow human beings if you were in charge.
  
  also, i am saying if you and the people who trash HubPages hate it so much, there's the door---->
  
  got it?
  
  good!
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't get it!
  I don't even care to get it.
  everybody's free to stay where they want.
  
  And the staff is free to ban whoever they want.
  
  And to show someone the door is very rude. Moreover ,when it's not your own.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Again, cosette,
  
  you are being very rude and trying to bully me into leaving HubPages.
  
  That door you talk about is open for you too I'm sure.
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
hmm....you posted, Jason, while I was writing my post...
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livelongerposted 15 years ago
*sigh*
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I second your *sigh* and add a *grumble*
  
  BTW: Having been a customer service rep myself - I personally empathized with and enjoyed your blog post. Everybody needs to vent.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you. I have no issue with people who are polite or even curt with me (it's a matter of personal style) but if you're abusive and stupid right out of the gate, well...
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Believe me...been there, done that...no explanation needed. Some people seem to just be begging for acerbic wit, and I don't know about you but when people act in a certain way I find myself overflowing with it...LOL
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What hubbers or former hubbers are you calling abusive and stupid?
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  *sigh*
  
  None. Didn't you read that part about the 3 abusive idiots in my blog post were not Hubbers?
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Gee thanks for clarifying that.
  But indeed it made a comparison to your blog and this site.
  
  It shows that you're unable to deal with writers in a neutral manner. That's what "moderating" is about. A moderator should be able to deal with postings and posters in a neutral, fair manner, UNLESS the site/blog itself is specifically touted and stated as slanted to a certain viewpoint.
  A Christian site, for instance, is of course going to be moderated by a Christian or at least someone with that leaning.
  A liberal site will (or should) state its intent as well.
  
  Is this site a homosexual site?? Is it a liberal site? Is it a Democratic site? Is it..........exactly WHAT is it?
  
  IF it's a free site where people can feel free to state their opinions, either Left or Right, either secular, atheist, Christian, Muslim, Republican, Democratic, atheist, etc........then you have no right to have harrassed me and insulted me and insinuated that you might ban me for my exercise of free speech.
  I will say you've shown your bias, Jason, quite unfairly and quite bullying-ly. Gee, a new word I coined! ha
  
  So....what's the setup of this site? Is it heterophobic?
  
  I really want to know.
  
  I'll take the word of the whole group of moderators/owners, whatever. IF this site is officially set up to be "liberal" like you are liberal and against Christianity and if that intent will be stated in the HubPages rules and procedures and disclaimer section or whatever as people enter this site, then I will willingly exit this entire site after removal of my hubs.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  'sigh'
  
  Why post on the forum under another avatar ?
  
  I though it was not allowed.
  you post under your name as well.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And maybe Jason can explain ??
  I'm interested. I'd love to come in with my other account as well. In the open. Not to make fun or offend anyone
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have 2 accounts - one official, one personal. They are never in the same forum thread.
  
  This is quite a bit different from the same person having multiple accounts all in the same conversation. Surely you understand the difference.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So. I can post on different threads ? that's what I'm asking
  
  I hope you don't think I'm stupid !
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why don't you take that up with a moderator offline, tantrum, if you're still unclear about the rules.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Because I'm stupid it seems ! LOL
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Cagsilposted 15 years ago
My two cents on this entire topic is that it is sad to begin with. It is a proven attack on people in general. However, with this being a public forum and people are able to use/stand on the issue however they choose to..such as if Freedom of Speech.

There cannot ever be a solution until the "religious" aspect is removed from all daily life. The "idea" of a religious person trying to voice their "belief" of moral superiority over others is absurd.

The bible isn't any more moral than that of the average person. Those who hold the bible to their hearts are selfish and clearly shows that they truly do not understand their own life or what even rights are at all.

The bible enforces strict compliance and to waiver is condemnation. This is absurd, ridiculous and completely foolish.

What one person's sexuality/sexual orientation or sexual preference(who they sleep/have sex with/F**K) isn't my concern.

It shouldn't be anyone's concern, because it is someone else living that life and not them. You live your life your way and STAY OUT of the business of others.

Plain and simple; those with integrity know how to mind their own damn business, especially in areas that are not their concern in the first place.

Religion is a hoax, perpetuated by those who usurp power, wealth and control over others.

Get real people and wake up and smell the coffee.

Just my thoughts on the subject.
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skyfireposted 15 years ago
Biblical truths ? *beats me*
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mega1posted 15 years ago
Its so very interesting to me that often the very people who claim to be morally superior and knowledgeable of all right ways to do things are also so very knowledgeable of all the behaviors they hate - to wit, Brenda thoroughly reads the threads condoning all those "abominable" behaviors and then goes on a rant. If you see two dogs doing it in the street and it offends you are you going to follow them around and continue to watch? It is odd, yeah, even queer that someone who hates gays and threesomes and masturbation would continually read the threads that talk about those things. just sayin'
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  mega1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  oh please don't think I am saying that the dogs are like any humans or anything like that - just that they are dogs doing their thing. I couldn't think of a better illustration of the behavior of abusive homophobes.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Wow.
  Are you comparing gays to DOGS????
  
  I haven't seen any dogs trying to make their actions legal in the USA........have you?
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  mega1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  nope, I'm comparing you to the kind of dog who follows the fornicating dogs around just to watch! and then barks at them or gets in a big fight with them! You are really something else, hope you get some help before you become completely demented as it seems you are headed in that direction.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I reported this. You referred to me as a dog. Guess I shoulda reported the "demented" reference too....
  
  Wonder if HubPages staff will be fair?
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  mega1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ok, with me, I considered it quite carefully - what do you have against dogs Brenda? Do you not think they should have rights? Truthfully, none of the dogs I know would bait people into snapping at them quite the way you do. I stand by my comparison.
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  mega1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  if you take it in the context of the reference I made to adrenaline junkiness - maybe you will see how it all fits your profile and get some help for it. Have a good day! :
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  getmybackposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  so glad I'm gay, the bashing is always the same
  
  so boring and old.
  
  *yawn*
  
  nice post mega and nice to meet you
  
  billY
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
And cosette indeed yes I HAVE said how I'd "deal with fellow humans" if I was in charge! You probably didn't see it because you were maybe too busy finding fault with my posts, and it was in another thread. But you sure don't have any problem finding the posts of mine you want to blast!

But indeed I'm not in charge anyway. What America has "in charge" is a tyrannical person who pushes a heterophobic-homosexual agenda onto innocent school children from his seat at The White House by appointing people like Kevin Jennings and Arne Duncan as leaders over those innocent children.

AND I don't have a problem with HubPages in general. I do have a problem with certain people when they bully me (and/or other conservatives) like Jason did and like you did.
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  mega1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I also wonder, Brenda, exactly what possible good you think it will do for you to post threads like this among reasonable people? Can't you see how useless it is to voice the same opinion over and over? I notice there are several on the forums like you who are complete adrenaline junkies - a real illness, actually, that destroys your health. You are exciting yourself just to get high! I encourage you to read about it and see whether you are developing the physical symptoms of an adrenaline junky. Good luck to you, I have a lot of compassion for you.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Heheheheeheheheheeheheheheheeheheheheheeheheheheheehehe... Of course. I knew you guys should never have elected a Muslim
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  Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Or a Nazi, racist, commy socialist who wasn't even eligible to run for the office!
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
Oh okay I see you qualified your reference to dogs....

And....managed to call people homophobes at the same time!

Very typical of the heterophobic agenda!
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mega1posted 15 years ago
oh darn, I've used up my hub forum time on useless bantering about namecallers calling namecallers names! woohooo! and joined the ranks of the adrenaline junkies, myself it seems. I can't believe I got so sucked in by this thread that exists to bait people into saying wicked, wicked things! If I was Christian now I would have to go read the Bible for a few hours as penance! hooooooooo . . . see ya in the funny papers!
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mega1posted 15 years ago
before I get banned I'd just like to say that this "heterophobia" thread has been on the forums for 2 weeks being carefully kept on the first page - It annoys the heck out of me that it hasn't been shut down before now for existing mainly to keep baiting people into an argument that serves no real purpose except to propound hatred for people whose rights have already been upheld. The question isn't whether gays should be allowed to marry - for people like Brenda, the question is who is a "better" person - and I'm saying the better people are not calling others perverts and just quietly going on with their lives, since they have lives! Namaste!
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
And if NOT, IF this site is supposed to be a site where over-all freedom of speech is not only allowed, but welcomed, then, Jason, I will call for YOUR removal as a Staff member.
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  rebekahELLEposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I doubt you will be received well Brenda, your whole purpose here is to ridicule others if they don't agree with your way of thinking.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Freedom of Speech works both ways. You call for Jason's Removal and I'll call for your Removal from HubPages and that goes for all existing accounts and future accounts.
  
  Just a thought you should ponder....because it wouldn't take much to get you gone, should you want to press this issue.
  
  No one is saying that you are not allowed to speak your mind, but the fact that you do it without a single ounce of respect for anyone. Thus, making your statements, anger and hatred.
  
  The fact you cannot see it...is your own damn fault.
  
  So, with that said- Brenda you are wrong.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How very rude.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Too bad. I'm sure you can find something ruder than what I said.
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TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years ago
Methinks there are some uncalled for things being pondered here today. Some people might do well to remember the nature of this weekend...to turn their minds to higher things like forgiveness, sacrifice, and the true nature of love before petty, consuming anger leads them to do something stupid that could result in unwanted, and potentially unforeseen, consequences.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Good suggestion Glass.
  
  How about we turn it to the fact that those higher things you mentioned were inititated and dealt with by God/Jesus the Savior?!
  
  How He died on that Cross for the sins of all mankind!
  
  How He condoned forgiveness IF people turned to Him!
  
  How He told His disciples to go spread the Gospel to the four corners of the earth!
  
  How that Gospel tells of His judgement and His Love!
  
  How it says God hates sin but Loves the sinners and wants them to both Love and obey Him!
  
  How the consequences of not listening to Him are dire!
  
  How the results of listening to Him are wonderful Spiritual blessings!
  
  How He spoke of how some men's hearts would turn from Him!
  
  How He spoke of how His followers would be persecuted by those who hate Him!
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I feel the love.
  
  Persecuted by those who hate him? Oh yes - hey - you should talk to the Mormon priest and get some advice. He is much, much better at the passive aggressive thing.
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Um. Duh, Brenda. That's why I brought it up in reference to this weekend.
  
  Just for the record: I know who the savior of the Bible is; I know his name, I know his message. I've read it in the same language HE read it in.
  
  I was suggesting perhaps others, like yourself, might benefit from that kind of understanding as well.
  
  Your words speak volumes about how little you understand.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, what you're suggesting is, once again, that I'm not a Christian.
  
  Are you a Christian, Glass?
  Are you born-again?
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I wouldn't (and don't) consider myself a Christian if that's what you consider yourself (I've met plenty of people like you in man-made churches doing the enemy's work with what they erroneously think is Scripture). Unfortunately people have twisted the meaning of that word to such a point that when it comes out of my mouth I want to clean it.
  
  However, a follower of the living God, and one who knows His only begotten Son and the meaning of his sacrifice - Yeah, I'd be happy to be called thus.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I never want to clean it when it comes out of my mouth or the mouths of other true Christians.
  
  Out of some others' mouths in twisted or ostrich-head-in-the-sand terms, yes indeed.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  TheGlassSpider = Christian
  Brenda = Christianist (or Dominionist)
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I take it you've witnessed the phenomenon about which I speak as well, huh?
  
  Thank you.
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  mythbusterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ah, more "bait" methinks
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mega1posted 15 years ago
isn't anyone anywhere publicly fornicating in threesomes or with same sex or animals or something, or at least talking about it so you could watch or listen in Brenda? because that seems to be the only thing will keep you happy and quiet for a little while and away from your hate-mongering! Happy Easter! see what your bible says about those who keep seeking out what they despise!
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Apparently it's you and others who enjoy coming to this thread!
  
  It isn't just me that keeps this thread going. It's generated a lot of interest from several people. And actually has been quite informative about the workings of HubPages.
  
  I have yet to hear any info about exactly what this site stands for, though, if it stands for truly fair freedom of speech or what.
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  mega1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  it IS kinda fun to come here and give you back some of what you have been handing out to others - I notice you don't respond in any real way to the criticisms and comments of others but use the bible and your religion to try to shield yourself from any true self-awareness, which I think is kinda sad, but not unusual for there are many who are just as obtuse and uneducated around who love to stir up the emotions and call it freedom of speech.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's funny sometimes to see the thinly-veiled insinuations and accusations that liberals use to try to shut down the free speech of conservatives.
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  mega1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  as much as I would love to see you shut down, it hasn't happened, and in fact ANY response to you just fuels you rabid unconsciousness - so anyway
  
  I'm not even trying to thinly veil anything! You're the master at that! I'll say it straight out - I find your comments full of bigotry - why do you suppose that the U.S. has laws against hate-crimes? Do you think hate crimes just happen? NO! they are instigated by people like you who use free speech to incite people to hate. . . no thin veil needed!
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well said.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I find this post of yours extremely bigoted, and full of hate speech and false accusations.
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That doesn't make you right.
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  mega1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  bigot - n.
  One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
  
  since you seem to be in need of some basic definitions - Brenda, I can honestly say "bigot" describes you, but not me, since I am not only tolerating you, but actually responding to you instead of just making accusations in your direction. and so far I have not called you a troll or sock puppet, which shows amazing self-restraint!
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  mythbusterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  BD, Please get a hold on yourself.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That sounds perverted.
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  mythbusterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not intentional, Ron Montgomery, but duly noted.
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  rebekahELLEposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  why do you assume that anyone who does not agree with you is a liberal? or that anyone who is not religious is a liberal? because someone is not a far right conservative, they are liberal?
  have you ever heard of moderates? balance? you are making broad sweeping generalizations about groups of people which simply aren't true.
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mega1posted 15 years ago
Brenda -ok, I didn't realize your intention was to discuss the workings of Hubpages in this thread, I really thought you wanted to find people who agreed with your take on "perversion", not a discussion of freedom of speech - so yes, I believe HP is for freedom of speech, otherwise you would have been shut down long ago. I also believe that stating an opinion is NOT calling names or using terms to excite others into responding with distaste for yourself (to say the least) - freedom of speech doesn't imply that its ok to make hate statements, and you have to admit you have made a few. I know you are pretty careful about how you say things, just going up to the line but not quite over it. I find your behavior distasteful, rude, inconsiderate and just plain weird. But that's my opinion, which I, of course, have a right to voice!
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Shadesbreathposted 15 years ago
I believe that we are not seeing simple selective reading and intentional misrepresentation of statements for the purpose of maintaining a victimization complex, but actually a troll in Christian clothing who has been in the woolen guise so long it actually believes it is a Christian now. This is a fairly nuanced manifestation of the common Internet troll phenomenon, but it is my considered opinion that further commentary is ultimately only feeding a troll.

I'm not saying stop, as I have fun feeding the giraffs and the monkeys at the zoo sometimes too. But I just wanted to make sure everyone knew what was up based on observations from a reasonably dispassionate observer.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  I found it that funny.
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  *sigh* I know you're right, Shades....I just wrote a limerick about it in the other thread. It's just....difficult.
  
  HEELLLP! LOL
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  mega1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  wow, and the picture seemed so REAL! masterful disguise and all that, eh?
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Another post illustrating the heterophobia and anti-Christian way libs wish to portray those who don't cave in to their liberal agenda.
  
  It is my very experienced-by-now opinion that further commentary is my right, especially given your thinly-veiled, third-person-touting of insulting someone (in effect, me) by using the term "it" and "troll".
  
  I can probably assume you refer to innocent unborn children as "it" also.
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  Shadesbreathposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  Watch as the troll glories in delighted ecstacy, awash with the joy of so much attention still, then, after a moment's monstrously poor reading skills stumble it some, it makes a painfully obvious attempt to gain further attention by tossing out another random polemic, this time abortion. The manuvers of a troll once revealed are easy to identify, the scent of red herring strong.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Definitely a possibility. I believe it's called a "deep-cover liberal." Some suspect Fred Phelps is one, someone who acts so offensively that he discredits other homophobes.
  
  Unfortunately, Poe's Law makes it almost impossible to distinguish between the fake and the real thing...
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  Shadesbreathposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You might be right, there's certainly an argument to be made for that, but random shifts to non-related topics and the glaring dependency on non-sequitur arguments really have me thinking troll. What else would still be around with so many people pointing out the obvious issues in logic etc? Only a troll does that. I think this troll probably loves to be called a closet lesbian because that means people are thinking about it, which I believe is what it really wants. That's the beauty of being a troll, even pointing out that it is a troll is feeding it, which is why trolls continue to exist. Most people don't have the discipline to walk away and starve them.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm going to have to develop that discipline.
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You're not the only one.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nothing like a 'disciplined' man !
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I say... Crack that whip!
  
  Whip it, whip it good!
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbt30UnzRWw
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Muahahahaha...
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHfYsUMNewA
  
  This is even better! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHgrKlnA … re=related
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  But it's the same video ! LOL
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  and you don't have that 'discipline' either !
  
  BTW
  Can't you speak in plain English ? It's not like you're writing an essay here !
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  Shadesbreathposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  It's true, I can't help but point them out even though I know pointing them out perpetuates things. But, given the length of this thread, it's not like it was going to stop anyway, so maybe, pointing it out will lead to a slow cutting off of the food supply. I'm sure it wont, but, yeah, worth a shot.
  
  As for plain English, I respect your intellect too much to attenuate my diction.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  I'm not intellectual, nor want to be. I find 'intellectuals' very boring. LOL
  Anyway thanks for your words, as they were intended as a compliment.
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  Shadesbreathposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  They were intended as a compliment. And not all intellectuals are boring. George Carlin was an intellectual. "Boring" is not a trait of intellectuals; its a trait of humans, dumb and educated alike.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Whatever you say, Master ! LOL
  
  People that thinks themselves as intellectuals are always boring.
  What is not boring is 'wit'
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  Shadesbreathposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree.
  
  <edited back to orginal form >
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  Shadesbreathposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I suspect I couldn't keep you in line for very long at all.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So changing your post ? I deleted mine !
  
  And I agree with this post !
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  Shadesbreathposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hah, yeah, I looked at it as soon as I hit enter and thought... yeah, that's not gonna read right.
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
reasonable dispassionate observer.

Why someone like that would make a comment ?

And who's that ?

I love this thread !
Thanks !!
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mega1posted 15 years ago
and now I go to celebrate the sun and the spring renewal of my faith in the world and love and hope and eliminate all bad feelings from my soul. Namaste. I salute the spirit of love in you and wish you peace.
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  TheGlassSpiderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Shantih, mega...I'm still stalking you, you know. Have a wonderful day, and best of luck with the negativity. *sends positive energy to mega*
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tantrumposted 15 years ago
Eating chocolate bunnies and LMAO !!

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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
If you'd actually ponder the several definitions of that word, you'd see that it also relates to "prejudice", which is defined as preconceived or baseless intolerance. There's plenty of basis for being intolerant of heterophobia, plenty of reason, both socially and morally.
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mega1posted 15 years ago
we just want to talk - if the subject is trolls - we talk about trolls - now brenda, he/she is perhaps just an undereducated human, but it is much more fun to call it a troll! only trolls will perpetuate their mythology in such a persistently obtuse way! (see, I can talk it too!)
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mega1posted 15 years ago
why is it I really want a banana right now?
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  To do what with it ?
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  To play with it of course!
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Play with a banana ?
  
  Maybe you can teach us !
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  mega1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  its all in that Bloodhounds video posted earlier - really informative and educational . . .
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know... the fruit of my loom might get jealous.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  you have many fruits ?
  Who could have imagined !
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  sandra rinckposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry i'rectum.
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Too deep for me ! LOL
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mega1posted 15 years ago
play with it? no, no, just eat it! mmmmmmmmmmmmm!
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
I for one am offended by the use of the term "fruits" :lol

I'm writing it down in my gay agenda...
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mega1posted 15 years ago
oh, nuts.
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