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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
So you don't believe in the Great Commission for Christians to perform?

And....Jesus also said it was those who're well who have no need of a physician. Meaning He was sent to those who are lost, not to Believers.

And Jesus's message (the GOSPEL) was about Love, PLUS about judgement, repentance.

People so often, so conveniently, wish to leave out that part...
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  Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i don't think that we should be like the Pharasee in the temple thanking the Lord that we are not like that sinner over there. It seems like as we rise up above our sins that we
  (If we are paying attention) haven't gotten all of the way out yet, and the higher that we think that we are rising up ... the slipery errr it gets. The harder we have to examine ourselves .. thus the phrase "Back sliding".
  
  Life is like a barrel of live crawfish.
  Almost imposible to stay on top. but nothing is imposible.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The Pharisee was self-centered, selfish.
  He had no intention of performing any great commission.
  Christians have that commandment however.
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  Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What denomination do you belong to? Are you from the south?
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Jeramiposted 15 years ago
I think that Christians are suposed to be a light house and not a street sweeper. The light of the world.
I also think that ya catch more flies with honey than fire and brimstone.
I've found that my biggest battle is from within.
It someone makes me angry and I realy examine why their behaveior makes me angry I quite opten find some kind of fault or misconception within my self or it would not have upset me as much.
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Jeramiposted 15 years ago
Good night Brenda. bet time Gotta work hard tomorrow.
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Disturbiaposted 15 years ago
I have a headache.
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
What piece of society or entity controls YOUR mind, Randy?
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  Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Unlike you, Brenda. I require facts and logical reasons for things to be as they are. I do not have to keep visiting a religious cult gathering until I find one which agrees with MY own particular views. Fortunately for you, you inherited the religion you now claim. Had you been born in the Middle East, you would more than likely be a Muslim now.
  
  You would be arguing with Christians about how being a Muslim is the right choice to make. I don't know, but I would guess you have spent time in the Bible Belt or of southern heritage.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe I would've been in a different religion for a while if I'd been born elsewhere, who knows?
  
  But I know my God. And He would've made sure I heard the Gospel preached at least once or drawn me to Him in some way, because that's what Christ died for, that was His continuing promise!
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  Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  But why did he pick you and not the Muslims, such as you think would have happened to you? This makes absolutely no sense at all. Unless god loves you more than others! Later!
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He doesn't Love me more than others.
  He didn't pick me and not the Muslims.
  It is each person who "picks" Him or refuses Him.
  Every person in the world has been given or will be given the chance to accept Christ. Doesn't matter where they are or who they are.
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  Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  "Maybe I would've been in a different religion for a while if I'd been born elsewhere, who knows?"
  
  I suppose you cannot understand how this statement shows your lack of reality and reasoning. If you were a Muslim in the middle East, you would certainly not be very exposed to Christianity in some areas. So, how would you find the "REAL" God in this case.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He would find me if I didn't find Him first.
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  Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Your answer is as logical and reasonable as I expected it to be. I've an idea, why don't we here on Hubpages take up a collection so you, Brenda Durham, can go to the Middle East and preach the word of God.
  
  I'm sure there are many of us here who would love to see you make the most of your reasoning ability by telling the Muslims how you would have found God amidst their society. You could preach and judge to your hearts content. After all, God has personally chosen you, Brenda Durham to spread his word to the unbelievers. You do think the Muslims are unbelievers, right?
  
  So, this solves everything. You get to preach to heathens, and we don't have to hear it. This is the chance you've been waiting for. This is a mission from God! How soon can you leave?
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh but...but...Randy---I thought you WERE a heathen!
  Sorry, my mistake I guess.
  
  Tell ya what----load up the suitcase with Dramamine (I get motion-sick) and plenty of Kool Aid and sugar, and I'll consider it.
  
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  Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Kool! Er...I mean Cool! I know how much you Jim Jones fans love your kool-aid. Especially with Jim's secret ingredient. Out of this world. Make sure you take your sunglasses.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Very funny...not really.
  
  I mentioned it because I can't stand carbonated drinks, so I drink fruit juices and Kool Aid.....
  
  Since you mentioned Jim Jones....I have to say I don't understand in the least why so many people could be misled by him. Or David Koresh. Or Charles Manson (though he didn't have as many followers, still, it's bizarre how anyone could follow someone blindly)....
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  china manposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes Brenda - What so many people have been trying to tell you for so long !!!! especially when it is an imaginary friend !
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  or jesus.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  One major difference is that Jesus Himself died FOR people, while Jones and Koresh and other cowards made others die WITH them.
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  so the story goes.
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  Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Unlike Cotton Mather! Now there was one of God's most faithful servants. You can only hope to be as successful as this pious,reverent, son-of-a-minister, clergyman.
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  Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So you don't believe in blind faith?
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No. Not blind the way you mean.
  God has provided plentiful evidence of His existence and His power.
  Faith is simply knowing something exists even when we cannot literally see it with our physical eyes. It doesn't mean there's no evidence to prove it.
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  Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes it does. That's why it's called "blind faith." Otherwise, there would be proof and no need to blindly follow an imaginary entity.
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
Could be...
and Woodstock and nudist camps and all that,
the slogans of "No fear",
and women's liberation taken too far,
etc.....

Interesting you mentioned Elvis.
He kinda portrayed a middle-ground status....He loved Gospel songs and leaned conservative in many regards I believe, but ended up living and performing (and dying) in an entirely different manner.
I've often wondered if he'd be publicly liberal or conservative if he were still alive today......
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  But I think Woodstock came out of a movement already in swing, rather than being a cause of that movement. (I don't know the slogan "no fear".) As for women's liberation taken too far, I am not sure what you mean, to be honest. You'd have to explain.
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
What makes you think Cotton Mather was a man of God?

Anyway, it's 11:00 here. I need all the beauty sleep I can get, for sure.
Catch ya later maybe.
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  Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Because you claim to be a woman of god. You think you are, he thought he was. I do see similarities in your personalities and judgmental capabilities. Also the ability to delude oneself is common ground for both of you. Yep, god's chosen no doubt.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I take that as a compliment, even though you meant it as derogatory. Like the word Christian being used in a derogatory manner; I will still claim that word no matter what.
  
  Chosen?
  Indeed I AM.
  
  Not because I'm specially chosen while others don't get that chance.
  
  But because it works like this---
  
  The Lord "calls" everyone. But He only "chooses" those who show up to volunteer for service.
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  curious to know why you always check out when i arrive.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Huh?
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  that is perhaps the most intelligent thing you've posted since joining this site.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Huh's a pretty good word, yes.
  
  It says a lot and questions a lot without saying much! haha
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
Well well..

I just now noticed this thread is in the category of "Conspiracy Theories" under Politics and Social Issues.

I honestly don't remember if I originally put it in "Politics" or in "Religion"......but I definitely didn't pick "Conspiracy Theories" as a secondary heading or any heading.

I just now went to see what category the "Homophobia" thread ended up in. Certainly wasn't put under "Conspiracy Theories".

hmmm is there a "conspiracy" goin' on 'round here?
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
Is this thread still going on?
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  china manposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  and on and on and on
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
het-er-o-pho-bi-a: n. irrational hatred or fear of heterosexuals or heterosexuality---heterophobe n.---heterophobic adj. Characterized by mild-to-extreme aversion to, or jealousy of, heterosexual activity and/or those who engage in normal sexual activity. Also in many cases, characterized by deliberate and/or misguided attacks upon the basis of, belief in, or the people engaging in, normal sexual activity.
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  Shadesbreathposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Fascist Hatemongerism [fash-ist h8-mong-er-ism]: Irrational hatred or fear of people who don't share your world view but who pose no threat to you at all other than wanting to live a life other than the one you have decided is the singular right way for all people to live regardless of how they think or feel or are biologically and/or psychologically programmed for, which ultimately leads to political action that seeks to crush the non-conforming people, and, if they do not roll over and just pretend that central elements of their very being no longer exist, ultimately leads to the justification to kill them for the preservation of the majority opinion regardless of how small that "majority" might be, even if only in the single digit percentages and relying on, even banking on, time and momentum with the axiom "We'll get them, yet" chanted to the beat of a martial drum.
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Randy Godwinposted 15 years ago
Fun-di-pho-bi-a -rational hatred or fear of religious cult members (A.k.a. foxnewsists) suffering from a delusional belief of superiority over more intelligent beings.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ssso sssays the sssnake.
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  Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How bout an apple? It'll make you smart!
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livelongerposted 15 years ago
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Ralph Deedsposted 15 years ago
Leonard Pitts says it well--

Tea partiers proved that I was right

By LEONARD PITTS JR.
lpitts@MiamiHerald.com

So it turns out that, contrary to what I argued in this space a few weeks back, racism is not ``a major component'' of the so-called tea party movement. I am informed of this by dozens of tea party activists indignant and insulted that I would even suggest such a thing.

In other news tea party protesters called John Lewis a ``nigger'' the other day in the shadow of the U.S. Capitol.

For the record, Lewis wasn't their only target.

Rep. Emanuel Cleaver was spat upon.

Rep. Barney Frank, who is gay, was called ``faggot.''

But it is Lewis' involvement that gives the Saturday incident its bittersweet resonance. The 70-year-old representative from Georgia is, after all, among the last living icons of the Civil Rights Movement. Or, as Lewis himself put it, ``I've faced this before.''

Indeed. He faced it in Nashville in 1960 when he was locked inside a whites-only fast-food restaurant and gassed by a fumigation machine for ordering a hamburger.

He faced it in Birmingham in 1961 when a group of Freedom Riders was attacked and he was knocked unconscious for riding a Greyhound bus.

Most famously, he faced it on the Edmund Pettus Bridge in Selma 45 years ago this month when his skull was fractured by Alabama state troopers who charged a group of demonstrators seeking their right to vote.

In the very arc of his life, Lewis provides a yardstick for measuring American progress. The fact that he rose from that bridge to become a member of Congress says something about this country. But the fact that people demonstrating against healthcare reform chose to chant at him, ``Kill the bill, nigger!'' well, that says something, too.

Which is why tea party leaders have spent much of the last few days spinning the incident, deflecting renewed suggestions that their stated fears -- socialism, communism, liberalism -- are just proxies for the one fear most of them no longer dare speak. Some even faxed the McClatchy news bureau in Washington to suggest, without offering a shred of evidence, that the episode was sparked by Democratic plants within the crowd.

Amy Kremer, coordinator of the Tea Party Express, went on Fox News to dismiss what she called an ``isolated'' incident. Your first instinct may be to cede the benefit of the doubt on that one. It seems unfair to tar nine reasonable people with the hateful behavior of one lunatic.

But ask yourself: When is the last time organizers of protests on other hot-button issues -- say, abortion rights or globalization -- had to apologize for ``isolated incidents'' like these?

Moreover, given how often tea party leaders have been forced to disavow hateful signs and slogans and even the presence of organized white supremacist groups in their midst, is it really fair to use the word ``isolated''?

Is there not a rottenness here? And is not the unwillingness to call that rottenness by name part and parcel of the reason it endures?

No, my argument is emphatically not that every American who opposes healthcare reform is a closet Klansman. Certainly, people can have earnest and honest disagreements about that.

But by the same token, as these ``isolated'' incidents mount, as the venom and the vitriol increase to the point where even proxy words no longer suffice, it insults intelligence to deny that race is in the mix.

Not that the denial surprises.

Often we tell ourselves lies to spare ourselves truths. Had you asked them, the people who locked John Lewis inside that restaurant, the ones who mauled him at that bus station and smashed him down on that bridge, would not have said they acted from a rottenness within.

No, like the ones who called him ``nigger'' half a century later, they would have told you they were good people fighting for principle, trying to save this country from the liberals, the socialists and the communists.

They would not have said they were racists. Racists never do.

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/03/24/1 … z0jHhKpfqr
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
Ralph,

Your article asked when was the last time left-wingers had to apologize for "isolated" incidents.....

Umm.....actually, when has the Left EVER apologized for ANYTHING?? LOL

"They" DON'T. That's the problem. The Leftist agenda seems to think it's not only above God's Laws, but above man's moral laws. I say "not only" because, even if they want to dismiss God's Laws and think they're not required to be under those, man's common moral laws are being violated hugely.

And for the zillionth time-------the issue of race has NOTHING to do with the issue of homosexuality. Unless all homosexuals are black, and we know that's not the case.
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  Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's a good thing we have people such as you to judge what everyone else does. I'm sure many would like to emulate you in your ability to decide morality for the rest of mankind. You are a legend in your own mind!
  
  Actually, I view those like you as an example of how not to act. So you are fulfilling a useful purpose after all.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That is the funniest thing you have said. Left wing politics goes against God's Laws huh? Actually - from your description of it - I can see how helping your fellow man would be against your gods laws.
  
  Still - times they are a changing. As I understand it - you will soon have free health care for poor people in your country. I bet God is preparing the thunder bolts right now.
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
How sweet of you!
It's so nice to be judged from a blatantly creeping sssssnaky point of view.
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
We already had free health care for poor people in this country, or close enough. It was a law, or at least a rule of thumb, that NOBODY got turned away at a hospital when they needed emergency care. And we were required to only pay a very small amount on big medical bills as long as we did it regularly. Also, our system of bankruptcy options (which, incidentally, was based on Biblical ethics) allowed anyone who had huge medical bills they couldn't pay, to absolve themselves of those bills.

Through the Medicare and Medicaid systems, we took care of the elderly who couldn't take care of themselves, we took care of the disabled, the helpless children. Those are the people we're SUPPOSED to take care of.
Yet that concept was used to draw people into Obama's socialist crap by saying our health care system was already socialized.
Well, there's a difference between normal responsibility toward one's fellow man and a Communist agenda.
What the man is doing is taking his huge ego trip, at the expense of American taxpayers, and at their moral expense as well.
He might as well have been Eve offering the forbidden fruit to Adam. Come to think of it, I guess I called him Eve instead of Adam 'cause he has a pink spandex mentality and agenda.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  After their house had been taken. What planet are you living on? Emergency care is not the same as everyday care.
  
  Biblical ethics? "Thou shalt not take it up the duff." Deuteronomy 1:69
  
  LOLOLOL
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
Let me phrase that an additional way.
He might as well be SSSSSatan offering the forbidden fruit to all mankind.

And if you want Biblical proof of the bankruptcy concept, I'm sure you have the ability to look it up.
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gamergirlposted 15 years ago
I'm very sad to see threads like this. Why must there be so much hate?
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
I dunno. Indeed it is sad to see how much so many heterophobes hate the normality of straight sex and those who stand up for traditonal normal marriage.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Still terrified about God's judgment of you, aren't you, Brenda?
  
  No matter how much you try to deflect attention to gay people, you're still living in a state of unrepentant sin. And you know it.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Brenda's obviously projecting her hatred onto supporters of fair treatment for gays and lesbians.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If she only picks on gay people themselves, that's not enough people in order to get in God's good graces again so that she can get into heaven. After all, every Christian knows the more sins you commit, the more people you're required to hate in order to be pass the pearly gates.
  
  Besides, Ralph, she might have a point; all the straight people here loathe heterosexual sex.
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  gamergirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Brenda,
  
  Please understand that I respect your right to have an opinion, even if I disagree with it and/or your methods.
  
  What purpose does spreading negativity and perpetuating a divide between homosexuals and heterosexuals serve? How are you enacting positive change on the world by being so angry and judgmental?
  
  Homosexuality isn't abnormal. It's just different. Just like flowers come in different colors, human sexuality is varied and wonderful.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I like purty flowers.
  But people aren't flowers.
  As far as adornment, I've always liked pastels anyway.
  That way it's not the clothing that gets focused on. It's the person.
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  Danny R Handposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Brenda, I'm pretty sure you will recognize me from other forums. Mainly because we disagree on a number of different issues. Respectfully I hope! Now, this may surprise you, but I am a Christian. And I will stand on the principles of christianity any day of the week. My understanding of the christian teaching is that God, cannot be around sin. Be it homosexuality or a little white lie. WE as humans are not capable of not sinning. THIS WAS THE REASON FOR CHRISTS WORK ON THE CROSS! Now, we all fall short, and I personnally do not advocate nor understand homosexuals. But, I do know that there is MANY MORE biblical verses that tell us not to judge than there is that refers to homosexual behavoir. Judging is Gods place, not ours. If you claim to be a christian, then I would think that you would allow God to do Gods job. Judging is Gods job, not mine, nor yours. According to scripture we are COMMANDED to love God and love one another. LOVE has nothing to do with judging.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I dunno if I'd recognize you from other forums or not. Depends on if you're using the same name here and there probably....
  
  Anyhow, I agree that, in the way you're meaning it, Love has nothing to do with judging.
  
  Which is why it's possible to Love the sinner but hate the sin. That's a basic Biblical concept.
  
  But indeed God is both Love and Judge.
  
  We Christians can show Love for the sinner while making the righteous judgement that blatant unrepentant sin against God and one's self AND one's fellow man is wrong.
  
  And Christians have EVERY right to speak out in the Political arena as well as the personal one.
  
  If you don't think so, then give up your right to vote, brother.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  When are you going to take up the charge of making righteous judgment against divorce and remarriage? You're intimately familiar with it, right? It's the form of unrepentant sin that most of your fellow Christians are turning a blind eye of tolerance towards.
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
Several of you just LOVE analyzing me, dontcha?

This issue isn't about me, but hey go right ahead. It's very interesting, really, how well my point gets proven over and over.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It sure does, Brenda. If you weren't in mortal fear of being cast down to Hell for living in unrepentant sin, you wouldn't be so persistently obsessed with homosexuality and claims that it's the biggest sin.
  
  I'm sorry you take the Bible so literally. Knowing what awaits you must be a terrible weight on your soul.
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
You wish!
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
Wrong.
And I've never claimed that homosexuality is the biggest sin.

Wouldn't YOU like to know what I think IS the "biggest" sin?! Or at least the original and ongoing sin which the homosexual agenda ties into.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Your opinion (or anyone's) is really meaningless, isn't it?
  
  Jesus makes it crystal clear - several times in the New Testament - about what he thinks about divorce and remarriage. It's crystal clear that anyone who divorces and remarries is living in a state of unrepentant sin. This isn't a matter of opinion.
  
  No matter how often you start threads attacking gays and lesbians and people who support them, that doesn't change that fact.
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gamergirlposted 15 years ago
Brenda,

You skipped my questions.. why?
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Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years ago
Nobody can prove that Jesus was heterosexual, in fact there is evidence to the contrary. There might be some 'splainin' to do when the biggots meet up with him.
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gamergirlposted 15 years ago
Bravo, Danny.
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
I doubt you know most of my fellow Christians! lol

Nor the meaning of Christian at all!
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  Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Of course not! You are the only one who knows anything. I'm sure we are all envious of you and your life. Why don't you tell us some of the things you do which makes your God proud you are speaking for him.
  
  Now is your chance to give examples of your productive life here among the heathens.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Aww Randy. No matter how curious you are about me, the truth is that THIS thread is about the subject of heterophobia.
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  Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh come on Brenda, we don't mind it being off topic a little. You must have done thousands of good deeds for other people, as godly as you claim to be. I'm sure the rest of the posters would not mind hearing about your puritanical lifestyle and good works. Don't be shy now!
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I understand what you think being Christian is.
  
  I know that that means that unrepentant sinners are going to burn in Hell.
  
  I also know that the Bible is very explicit in condemning divorce and remarriage, so living in a second marriage after the first was ended in divorce is a life of unrepentant sin.
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gamergirlposted 15 years ago
Brenda,

You have completely ignored my questions to you, maybe you missed them so I am posting them again:

What purpose does spreading negativity and perpetuating a divide between homosexuals and heterosexuals serve? How are you enacting positive change on the world by being so angry and judgmental?
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  "Positive change" only comes by challenging the real negative to become accountable.
  
  A "divide between homosexuals and heterosexuals"? Indeed there should be a divide and remain a divide. Adding better butter to bitter butter doesn't make the bitter butter better. It only makes the whole tub of butter bitter.
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gamergirlposted 15 years ago
So in essence, you advocate segregation based on your perception of what is "normal" or "right."

How does this fit with Scripture?
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lovemychrisposted 15 years ago
I think you missed the focus of the healthcare bill??
Obama said he was worried about the 53 yr old who might have lost a job, or the middle-aged couple who might be facing a serious illness and bankruptcy.
He was not talking about seniors and poor people, or those who can afford health Insurance.
He is talking about those who fall through the cracks. That's who he is worried about!
Same as the people with so-called pre-existing conditions. How sinister is that, really? it's sinister what the Insurance companies are doing.
Do you know, a woman who dropped her insurance and then got pregnant couldn't get back on because her pregnanacy was a pre-existing condition!! Hello--wtf about 20 times!

If anything, President Obama is the only sane one here.

and ps: you said a while back that liberalism was do anything you want with no rules....funny, that's exactly how I see deregulation and laizze-faire economics! Do anything you want...anything goes. No Rules.
But, on the other hand, you want to set rules and regulations on a person's private life. That's right wingerry: Business=free reign... personal=tight rules on how you can behave.
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Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years ago
Go Church Lady, go.
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  Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yo Ron! Still in the bakery bidness?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  Yes, we even have t-shirts now.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Where can I get mine?
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  Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Got one to fit a long thin body?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  sleeveless?
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  Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yep, with a zipper. preferably!
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Bigcountry12577posted 15 years ago
Heterophobia, I never thought of it before it is reverse physiology Gays have been saying that we who are straight are afraid of them but in reality Gays are afraid of us. They fear we will make them straight.
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  gamergirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How precisely do you figure that is the case? The primary "fear" of most of the gay folk I interact with is that they will not be accepted for who they are, and as a result receive a smaller measure of respect or courtesy from their peers.
  
  Be wary of broad generalizations - they tend to bite you in the small parts. You know, the webbing of your fingers and stuff.
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
When the agenda to legally sanction perversion is over, and when that crappy agenda is allowed NO sway in the USA's education system, I'll consider shutting up about it.
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  Hokeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Wow Brenda! You love this thread! Hmmmmm.........
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Please don't even think of shutting up. Your philosophy, made public, is great for funding progressive candidates.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And yet divorce and remarriage are legal, although they are explicitly condemned in the Bible no fewer than 5 times...
  
  I suppose you understand what fate awaits you, and you're just lashing out, hoping your God will change his mind.
  
  But he doesn't change his mind, does he, Brenda?
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  LiamBeanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Who are you to determine what is and is not "perversion?"
  
  Homosexuality is as old as civilization itself.
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
Hokey, have you been listening too much to the far Left again?
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blue dogposted 15 years ago
i doubt there's an offering bowl big enough to hold the money it would take to buy off your christian hypocrite view of life.

perversion. as if you could even begin to think clearly. if you are not a troll or sock puppet, you are a disgrace to the definition of what your god tells you to practice.

pity.
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  Danny R Handposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  OUCH!!!!!!
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mythbusterposted 15 years ago
Brenda Durham,

From what I've been reading so far, you have tailor-made your own religion. A while back, you determined that 'brother' only means 'believer' in the same beliefs as what you hold. This is not what the Scriptures say at all - nor is it how Jesus spoke on the matter of loving others.

Matthew 5:43-47:
"Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?"

Jesus tried to convey that all who are wealthy and well are to be stewards over those who lacked means and who were sick.

Luke focuses on Jesus very much in the writings attributed to the author "Luke," and this author constantly "corrects" many bad habits already developed by Christ's followers, insisting that people of means and ability to care for others - DO SO at every opportunity - in the way that Jesus would have and that Jesus outlined - including being kind to the mentally ill, orphans, widows, children and those who have lost their way and who are weaker than those capable of being stewards. There are no words I've found in Luke which say "be decent to everyone except homosexuals."

In fact, much of the hoo-hah about homosexuals may just be a very ancient detail related to 'future generations' which isn't quite as relevant as we make it nowadays. Not having children was a terrible thing in ancient days because not having children meant that you were making no future family lineage...thus, homosexuality does not provide offspring - or children 'workers' for family affairs... "Lineage" is not as important a thing in our day...we don't make our families 'survive' by making sure we have many children...in case several of them die before they're out of infancy. There were "Laws" about marriages in ancient texts that were made to ensure that populations increased...geeze, use some logic here.

Stop mentioning Sodom if the only thing you can think about is the homosexuality of an old Bible story. The activities going on at Sodom were homosexuality PLUS a ton of other listed, unacceptable practices...not just the sexual things. People conveniently mention that homosexuality is mentioned in the Sodom and Gomorrah. The homosexuality isn't even listed as one of the PRIMARY offenses. A number of other immoral sexual things were going on - a primary one - RAPE. One of the major problems of sin at Sodom was that of the able failing to assist the poor and needy - look it up! (You'll find that in Ezekiel 16:49-50). The primary offense was arrogance, and hoarding wealth and comforts while allowing those in need be without...and this was made even more 'detestible' because it was done, all the while, with a righteous air to it...

Perhaps you can look up the seven abominations, too - the ones that are said to be in the heart and which show themselves on the lips if they are actually present already in the heart.
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
Sure there are other sins too.

But there isn't one so variantly-used by Obama and other socialists like you to radically change America's Constitution into a lawless immoral document. This issue totally shreds the dignity which America was founded on.

Perhaps you should look at the fact that I'm speaking out against a specific thing and using generalized terms, while you and several other people continue to make it a personal issue and attack me personally. So now I will say that YOU and others with your mindset/heartset are bent on behaving just plain meanly. I hope you're not representative of the whole homosexual population, because I do believe there are some people out there who would really like some help with their problems, and one "help" for any temptation/wrong action is the Law which has (pre-Obama-crap) always acted as a deterrent for anyone with criminal or immoral or terrorist intentions. It's still a deterrent against the temptation of murder, robbery, rape, etc.... Your icon Obama wants to take away all those deterrents, including anti-terrorism, at HIS own whim and the whim of the gay agenda. He should have to wash clothing out by hand, 'cause he sure knows how to twist a piece of cloth or a piece of paper and wring out the Constitution 'til the blood of our forefathers lays on the ground again.

Go ahead and tout your idol and quote the Bible you don't even believe in! While you do, this nation is going downhill really fast, and you will be able to do nothing about it because you're riding the wind with so many people who don't care one whit about this nation, but only want what THEY want, while they walk all over the graves of the Founders and the many soldiers who fought and died for true freedom, INCLUDING real civil rights, not for a selfish nasty agenda.
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  LiamBeanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  As livelonger points out, remarriage outside the bounds of Deuteronomy, is not only a sin, it is far better defined that any reference to homosexuality.
  
  Indeed it is a far more clearly defined sin to "waste one's seed" in an attempt to avoid parenthood, than it is to physically love a member of the same gender.
  
  Considering the "ban" on homosexuality is in the same book that bans the eating shellfish, remarriage, or not marrying the wife of a dead sibling, the forgiveness you claim Jesus gives you applies equally to homosexuals.
  
  That your religion is simply a crock of bovine excrement.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, actually the "ban" on eating shellfish and pork and all that is valid.
  The "ban" you think was lifted on homosexuality was to leave those who engage in it to their own ways, those whose hearts are hardened to accepting any forgiveness for it.
  Common sense tells us that "lifting of the ban" doesn't include trying to make perversion legal.
  
  The "ban" was lifted only from the literal consequences of it in the OT Laws.
  They no longer are under literal punishment for it. They're still under Spiritual punishment for it, just as anyone else is for any sin they commit.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And what about the punishment for sins proscribed in the NEW Testament? Like...divorce and remarriage, which Jews have always considered fine, but which Jesus condemned in no uncertain terms 5 times?
  
  What happens to people who get a divorce and continue to live in a second marriage?
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  LiamBeanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  My, how selective of you.
  
  I never said the ban was lifted; that's your construct not mine. I simply said it's not as well defined as the other bans and as such there is some question as to what behavior is indeed banned.
  
  Remarriage, pork & shellfish ingestion are very well defined.
  
  Then why the constant and repeated discrimination if it's spiritual only? Your argument is groundless.
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  Shadesbreathposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  You do to the Bible, Jesus and the apostles precisely what you accuse Obama of doing to the Constitution and our forefathers.
  
  I expect as you writhe around in the fury of your righteous indignation, you forget to pause and just enjoy this kind of thing. Irony is fun, isn't it?
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  mythbusterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not American, B. Durham, so I don't feel the need to and do not think I have tried to figuratively "walk all over the graves of the [American] Founders." Why have you branded me a socialist? And an Obama supporter?
  
  You've placed 'motivations' and 'attributes' on me that have nothing to do with my one post in this thread. I seem to have effectively 'called you on' your Christian principles...and your response has been to deflect and distract with all sorts of topics ranging from Founding Fathers of America and America's Constitution to calling me and others "mean" for disagreeing with your strong and irrational viewpoints.
  
  "So now I will say that YOU and others with your mindset/heartset are bent on behaving just plain meanly. I hope you're not representative of the whole homosexual population, "
  
  I wasn't aware that I conveyed anything "meanly" at all.
  
  What would it take for you to come to some understanding on some of these issues in this thread - instead of arguing so irrationally? It's a shame to see someone arguing so earnestly while making so many attributional errors...
  
  Why is it - REALLY - that you are so disrespectful about homosexuals and the whole topic of homosexuality?
  
  It is as if you show up in the thread ONLY ready to shout - when, originally, you asked a question and started a 'discourse' on the topic of heterophobia... you seem to have started a 'baited' thread for little purpose other than to shout your viewpoints on sexuality, 'nation-hood,' anti-Obama rants and anything else that comes to mind.
  
  You asked a question about heterophobia then decided not to hear any other viewpoints, anyway.
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
I repeat. Homosexuality has been legal in most of the United States for 50 years...Obama had nothing to do with it. Murder, rape, robbery have nothing to do with homosexuality, they are still illegal and always will be. The only people who promote terrorism are those who want to force their moral, social and religious views on others, that is not only the Taliban but many Christians in the US.

Thomas Jefferson and other founding fathers would probably join in the criticism of what you say...

It is very judgemental to believe that every single American who does not believe as you do is destroying your country.

What exactly do you take "liberty and justice for all" to mean?
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  For one, I take "liberty" to be the freedom to act like, and fight for, true human rights, not animalistic behavior.
  
  And yeah homosexuality may have been legal for a long time, and that's because the Law stopped actually prosecuting people for things they do in the privacy of their own homes. When people want to bring those private behaviors into the public-sanction area and into our schools, there's a difference.
  
  And it matters not to me who "would join in the criticism" of me. Because the Bible and morality joins in the criticism of YOUR view. Right is right and wrong is wrong. And you refuse to admit that.
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  cosetteposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  in Brenda Land, "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness" are only for straight married people, apparently.
  
  us straight people can get down with some pretty 'animalistic' sex, yanno. we don't just lie there on our backs, legs barely open, motionless like statues going 'is it over yet?'.
  
  ANY sex education taught in public schools must have the written, signed permission of the student's parents. no one forces them to participate. if you want your children to have a Biblical education, keep them in religious schools. why do you care so much what other children are learning?
  
  i noticed you completely avoided my comment to you in the scout thread. why? 'cause you couldn't think of a good answer. pfft...
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  Hokeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly. Your right too. Us straight people can get down! Personally I dont care who wants to have sex with who as long as its not adults abusing kids or people taking sex through force.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I obviously need to buy an old copy of one of those books from the seventies with all those line drawings of that guy with a beard...
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Do tell
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
I disagree with what you consider right and wrong.

Gay people are not having sex in the streets or in school rooms, forcing you to watch. I guess all sex can be considered "animalistic".

Murder is wrong, rape is wrong, theft is wrong. Gay people are not wrong, they are a fact of life.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Murder is also a fact of life. It happens. It happens because people either cannot or will not control their urges. Just like engaging in homosexuality. Everyone not only needs, but normally WANTS, accountability, deterrents. Like I said, it's called Law. I personally know gays who WANT their activities to remain private; they don't WANT same-sex marriage or civil unions. They WANT a solution to their problem.
  The proponents of the gay agenda, however, are trying to shove their crap down our throats, as well as the throats of those "gays" who WANT to live a normal life.
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  you"personally know gays" is a highly doubtful remark. the only way that would be possible is if they were unaware of your bigoted point of view.
  
  it is safe to say that were they to know the true you, they would steer clear of such a waste of human space.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hear, hear. I'm calling BS on this "I know gay people" too. She's just looking for reasonable-sounding cover for her bigotry.
  
  Brenda, why do you hate Jesus Christ?
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  LiamBeanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This is the "safety in use of terms" bigotry. Those that practice this method never seem to realize that their actions are so obvious that any supposed "even-handedness" disappears instantly.
  
  They out themselves.
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gamergirlposted 15 years ago
Brenda -

Homosexual relationships have been occurring in human society for thousands of years. The goal for gay marriage is to provide equal opportunity for those who love, cherish, respect, honor and hold to one partner alone to be allowed to marry - that is, to join in a union sanctified by whatever forces they believe in, or none if that is their belief, but to share their lives and the benefits of marriage just as any other couple who has progressed in their relationship in the same way would receive.

That's all. Equality for all, not just for heterosexual people, but for ALL.

You argue that gay sex is animalistic - I say to you that ALL sex is animalistic. It is a base urge to express passion, lust, desire for your partner, and straight people do that just as much as gay people do.

You are right in your comment that "Right is right, wrong is wrong."

Blind hatred is wrong. Civility, education, tolerance is right.

This thread is, however, not about civility or education, not about morality or right and wrong - it is about you having a platform through which to hate, spread vitriol, and all under the banner of trying to present yourself as a "good Christian."

I am not sorry to say I disagree with your points or methods, I am sorry to see a person so blinded by their prejudices and discrimination.
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
That last line defines yourself. And all in the name of "equal rights"! amazing!

What do you think is gonna happen if gays get the so-called "equal rights"?

Don't you think that, in that scenario, ANYBODY who lives in with ANYONE else, like a son taking care of his aged parent, should get to have a "marriage" or "civil union"?
Shouldn't the two friends (platonic or sexually involved either one) who share housing and bills get to "marry" so that they can enjoy all the benefits of marriage?
Don't you think Obama should "marry" his wife's mother I think it's his mother-in-law anyway...) who lives in the White House with them so that she can be covered under his insurance policy?
Don't you think the young man who takes care of his disabled sister should "marry" her so they can enjoy the same benefits of a married couple?

Don't you think monks should get to "marry" other monks so they can have government benefits?

Heck, why not just let anyone and everyone marry anyone they want to, for whatever reason!?

Sounds "fair" to me! NOT . Actually sounds so stupid it's unbelievable, just like its forerunner the liberal gay agenda.
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  gamergirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How you made the leap from my discussing individuals in loving, committed partnerships to incest is beyond me, but let me be clearer for you so you have a firm grasp of what I am saying.
  
  I am stating that whether it is a man and a woman, or two women, or two men - all of these pairings in loving, committed relationships with one another - each of these pairs should have EQUAL opportunity to be married if they so choose to take their relationship to that next level.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Pearls before swine.
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  gamergirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Just bumping this to the front again so maybe Brenda will answer it.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I had no problem understanding what you said!
  
  I just totally disagree with it. And so does God.
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  gamergirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'll break it down in simpler terms again for you Brenda, since you like to jump around and dodge answering the points:
  
  I am stating that marriage is a situation that, when entered into by loving partners, gender/sexuality of said partners should play no role in the availability of the marriage option.
  
  You made a slippery slope point that if gay marriages are allowed, then incest is the next step.
  
  I would like to know what possessed you to make that assumption.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's simple.
  
  When/if America ever stoops so low as to generally condone gay "rights", it will only be one step further to condone many other sexually-immoral things. Both homosexuality and incest are wrong. What's so hard about that concept for you? Advocates of those other wrongs will ride the coattails of the gay "rights" movement just like the gay "rights" movement is riding the coattails of true civil rights.
  
  Let me illustrate the point even better.
  
  Don Lemon, a black commentator on CNN, was covering the gay protests (pro-gay) sometime back. This was during Obama's Campaign I believe, or right after his election. Anyway, the gay protestors were saying that it's a "civil right" to have gay "rights". Lemon looked over at another reporter and at first questioned that comparison. But then he quickly shut up. I could see the wheels turning. He immediately realized that if he said anything against the gays' agenda, he might be accused of prejudice from the gays and have no support for the black rights he'd been catering to before (he had backed an old black woman who spoke racial bias during Obama's Campaign).
  
  The gay agenda is smart and manipulative.
  They've put pressure on most of America simply by calling the gay agenda a matter of "civil" rights.
  
  Ain't nothing civil about it.
  
  It's just another step away before another abominable agenda will try to ride the same coattails.
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  Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm afraid you will be in hell with the rest of us heathens for eternity. Please be a better christian, we don't want you there with us. In fact, I doubt you would be wanted in heaven either!
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hmmm....Do you believe in heaven and hell, Randy?
  Just wanting to verify that if possible.
  
  What exactly do you believe about God and the Bible and Heaven and Hell?
  Do you believe you're gonna live forever in one of those places?
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  Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, of course not, but I can't see anyone wanting to spend eternity in either place listening to you spout your self righteous garbage. You have neither the ability nor intelligence to tell others what they "should" or "should not" do with their lives. You think you do, which is really and truly pathetic.
  
  I feel sorry for you because you have no idea how much harm you are doing to those who are genuinely good religious people. This will probably be my last response to you concerning anything religious in nature.
  
  Conversing with you serves no useful purpose, either for those with a religious bent or for those who deal in reality. I pity you more than you know! I hope you find the way to become a better person before you finish your angry existence on this planet.
  
  You have no idea how much better I feel about my own life since observing yours. I suppose if there is a god, he is using you as an example of how not to act. He chose well!
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  God always chooses to challenge unbelief and rebellion.
  
  I think you DO believe in Him, Randy. I think you just are scared to make the right choice, afraid you might have to give up your way of life.
  The SSSSnake's way is so much easier, isn't it?
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Very, very curious words coming from you, Brenda...
  
  Would Jesus consider divorce and remarriage the right choice?
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  Shadesbreathposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  I see what you did there. With the "S" thing. Clever. Very scary. It's like there really was a snake in the room with me.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You should listen to Obama then.
  He hisses quite often. Even more than Randy.
  Very noticeable if one pays attention to it.
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mikelongposted 15 years ago
"Why is it that gay-agenda proponents think it's okay to make generalizations (and sometimes specific accusations) that straight people want to be gay?"

Why is it that you make a generalization about gay-agenda proponents while trying to criticize them for the same fault?

While there are some "proponents" equal rights who may believe things that you claim, all do not. I know many "proponents" but have not yet met one that follows your depiction quoted above.
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
I don't recall seeing your question. In the scout thread?

I dunno. Guess I might go look...
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
cosette,

question answered in other thread.
Not even by my words, but by the Boy Scout Oath, to be specific..
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
Okay mythbuster,

I focus on this subject because it's the one that is so very obviously and blatantly weaseling itself into American society where we've always BEFORE sheltered innocent children from perversion.

In your country, do you shelter them from perversion, or do you give it free reign?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Skipping church today?
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  My elderly Mom lives with us now.
  If it weren't rainy, and if she weren't in recovery from pneumonia, we ...might...have gone to church.
  
  But as it is, you're hugely blessed by my presence right here, Ron. ahahaaaa aren't you glad?? Shucks, I'm very glad to see YOU.
  Are you getting ready for church?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  My wife was raised in a very strict Catholic family. Illness was no excuse for missing mass. She has told me that several times during her childhood, she was required to attend even with stomach flu. She was however allowed to sit in the back so she could sprint to the bathroom when necessary.
  
  I hope your Mom feels better.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Guess what! Gays can get married in Canada. Our children are just fine thank you very much.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Think so?
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  JeanMeriamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Brenda, Uninvited Writer is right. Gay marriage has affected nothing in Canada. And yes my children are fine. And some of them even have gay friends who they are compassionate enough to want to have the same rights they do.
  
  I don't understand at all personally. I do foster care. I have had kids here who have been beaten, burned with cigarettes, tied up raped and video taped, left alone for days at a time without food in their houses. Gays are not the perversion we need to worry about getting to our children in my opinion. And innocent children are not sheltered in any way and really never have been.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You mean they've been taught to be politically-correct enough to say it's okay to be gay and have gay "rights".
  And what the heck does being against homosexual teachings in our schools have to do with kids being beaten and hungry?
  Kids should be sheltered from ALL those things.
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  JeanMeriamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No I meant exactly what I said. I'm actually fairly good at expressing myself. Human compassion and equality are exactly what I meant.
  
  And what homosexual teachings are going on at school? If you mean they teach the kids that homosexuality is a reality then I suppose they do.
  
  My point about the kids is that while real evil exists in the world you worry about something like two people engaged in sexual acts in their own bedroom that is not the business of the rest of us.
  
  Your obsession with the (sins) of others is a bit strange. Apparently you are not on your first marriage. Jesus forbid a woman to remarry. Paul confirmed this. Yet you show no humility and devote yourself on this forum to worry about the sins of others.
  "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
  
  I have to tell you quite honestly that in the churches where I live your marriage would not be recognized. They would not remarry a formerly married woman. You would be considered a fornicating adulteress.
  
  "Judge not or by the same mete with which ye measure, so shall thou too be judged."
  
  Get the board out of your eye. You're one of the Pharisees Jesus warned about.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Telephone pole.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ....
  
  Yes it is.
  But the symbolism of the Cross and the other two "crosses" is why I use it as an avatar.
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  Randy Godwinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This is why I do not converse with her anymore. She can see everyone's sins but her own. She is obviously tormented by her own sense of unworthiness.
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  mythbusterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  B. Durham, where I live, people attempt to shelter children from perversion, but "gay-ness" isn't a perversion. Homosexuality is a sexual identity, not a choosen and dangerous, deviant behavior or a part of a person.
  
  Since you're so set on disliking homosexuality as well as defining it as a sin, could you please explain to me - according to your religious beliefs and via the Scriptures (which seem to be your strongest grounding sources for your arguments here), what words are you following to make your conclusions that homosexuality is not permitted by God?
  
  I'm not joking here - not intending to be mean with the words which follow:
  
  It's quite apparent to me that you're not changing your viewpoints at all here, no matter what information - good or bad - that people give you, so - if you'll bear with me...
  
  I will come over to your side, Brenda Durham, to examine your point of view in the things you say - but I would like for you to SHOW ME where your Scripture information comes from...and I will study the passages willingly and critically. I will do so because I really do want to understand how you can hold such deep felt beliefs against any individuals based on their sexual identity. It may be that I have misunderstood certain scriptures, but I would have to be shown how passages in the Bible relate to the homosexuality topic in order to more closely understand your viewpoints within this very heated thread.
  
  Since defiant stances against one another and on opposing viewpoints aren't the way to resolve issues and understand each other better, I will leave my side and argument if it will help me understand what people think and how people feel who oppose the things I think are right.
  
  Obviously, I may end up not seeing things the way you see them but I would certainly like to understand, better, where you're coming from, especially since it is so apparent that you feel very strongly about the topics of nationality, sexuality, Scriptures, constitution, law, the intent of the Founding Fathers of America and a number of other issues here.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Are you serious?
  You mean you've never read the Bible, especially concerning those particular passages?
  
  Or have you read them and, when I post them, you're going to bring up the liberal argument I've heard time after time about how the Scriptures don't really mean exactly what they say in that regard?
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  mythbusterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm serious about what I asked - that you show me where you find the passages which have led you to believe a certain way, based on what is written in the Bible.
  
  I have studied the Bible quite extensively, but I may require some help to see a different viewpoint.
  
  I've read an awful lot in the Scriptures, but I'm certainly no expert.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Leviticus 18: 22:
  
  "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
  
  That's plain and straightforward; only a fool could misunderstand that passage.
  
  In the New Testament too, just as plain:
  
  Romans 1: 27; and there's more if you wish.
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  mythbusterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, please post more, B. Durham - and I will look these up. Could you give the context of these, as well?
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  They're in the context of several passages where different sins are mentioned, including beastiality.
  
  Some readers have questioned why I focus on homosexuality more than those other sins mentioned, and I'll say it again---because that's the one that's being force-fed to innocent children in American AND force-fed into our education and legal system.
  
  I haven't, for instance, seen anybody yet who's staged a "civil rights" protest to tout beastiality or incest. THOSE would probably be shut down really quickly at this time. But maybe not later, after America is "conditioned" and de-sensitized by the maniplative gay "rights" movement.
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  mythbusterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you for the note on context - I'll wait to see you post more Scriptures....
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  mythbusterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Brenda Durham, have you ever used the biblegateway .com site?
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
Thanks!
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Brenda Durhamposted 15 years ago
Hi.
So, have you read the Bible?
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  mythbusterposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, Brenda Durham, I'm very familiar with Scriptures. I study literature, particularly 'narratives' and also oral tradition in literature, so I have studied Biblical archetypes, narratives and have several hours of religion studies at a Christian-based facility/Uni under my belt.
  
  I haven't said I want you to show me Scriptures so I can refute you/your interpretation. I asked so I can understand your viewpoint better. I'm not joking. If you think I'm just being 'mean,' like you thought earlier in the thread, this isn't my intent, I assure you.
  
  I am a researcher in the areas of oppression and poverty (tons of excellent narratives in the Bible that deal with poverty and 'stewardship' and how it is not a sin to be poor, etc), folklore, urban legend, myth-building, etc.
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Hokeyposted 15 years ago
Why would you actually care who sleeps with who?
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's not so much that I care who sleeps with who, as it is that I know those people should be told there's redemption from their ways, and that I care how my nation (especially innocent children) is being force-fed things that God calls abomination.
  
  Plus, I refuse to ever cave in to the crap I can see coming--such as...I will never willingly call people in a man-on-man or a woman-on-woman "marriage" or other relationship "Mr. and Mr." or "Mrs. and Mrs." nor place the label of "husband" on a woman, etc....
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  Hokeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Your religion is crap. Made up stories that you take as absolute truth. Would you like to buy a bridge? I have one in Brooklyn that is very reasonable.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree hokey.
  Gullibility and religion are bed partners.
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  Twenty One Daysposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  of which you might be the expert, ex preacher man? lol.
  hiding behind your own consciousness is even more pitiful than theirs. might wanna buy some new windshield wipers, them old ones are worn out and a squeaking on the dry glass.
  
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  Hokeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nice try. Your words are about as upsetting as a nursery rhyme. Go pray. It wont help but at least you will feel a little more self righteous.
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  Twenty One Daysposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  oooh, lookie here, the buddha shows his true nature -fear.
  some much for zen-zen. lol.
  what's the matter, funny bone not so funny anymore?
  
  do this, call your god buddha, like the baal priests, but i think he is on the toilet. lol
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  Hokeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Fear? Hmmmmm.. Oh yeah. Buddha is not a God. Said he wasnt a God. Said don't worship me.
  
  One of his students asked Buddha, "Are you the messiah?"
  "No", answered Buddha.
  "Then are you a healer?"
  "No", Buddha replied.
  "Then are you a teacher?" the student persisted.
  "No, I am not a teacher."
  "Then what are you?" asked the student, exasperated.
  "I am awake", Buddha replied.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well...gee Hokey...
  
  Buddha was only speaking the obvious there.
  ANYBODY could tell someone else they're awake!
  
  I choose to follow One who died and then raised Himself back up from the dead; One who Loves everyone.
  
  Did Buddha die for me, Hokey?
  Did he die for you?
  Does Buddha love me, Hokey? or you?
  
  Oh that's right...he's dead. Just dead. Not alive like Jesus.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hokey, I think the same thing about your religion. I've just never said it quite as plainly as you just did about mine, because I didn't want to offend you.
  
  Anyway, you will believe what you will.
  I've spoken the Truth to you; my duty is done.
  
  P.S. I still Love ya with the Love of God!
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
Well...American has "condoned" gay rights for over 40 years now.

You have no idea what was going through that commentators mind. And just because someone is black does not mean he has a right to say who can or cannot have civil rights.

There is no "gay agenda"...

No more that there was a female agenda when we wanted equal rights.
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
And not everyone in the world follows your religion. If you want laws based on religion you might be happy in a country ruled by the Taliban.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Really?
  
  And you might be happy over in Africa or wherever else they dance naked and all that.
  
  Or at the Mardi Gras if it lasted all year! haha
  But hey I'm not inviting you to America! Please stay in Canada! At least that's kinda far away....
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  Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Good point. That's why separation of church and state is so important.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Moral laws aren't necessarily based on a particular religion.
  They're based on conscience. Which, even though Christianity is the main religion that has those laws, is a common thing that everyone has (a conscience).
  Just because Americans who want their own immoral way and have seared their own consciences, want to change America's laws, doesn't mean it's valid to whine "separation of church and state".
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
What you said makes no sense at all.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You just weren't listening.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sure, you think Africans dance naked and have no morality...
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You were expecting it to?
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