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At least the Egyptians have guts

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    Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago

    A military coup has taken the Muslim Brotherhood's man Morsi out of action, apparently.   While I dunno the whole story yet,  at least it's obvious that Egyptians aren't afraid to correct the wrong done when they elected a Muslim Brotherhood member to lead them!    I figured they'd realize their error sooner or later.   Unlike the American people, they've got some guts and aren't afraid to correct their error;  they're not falling for the idea that once someone gets into power, there's no way of getting them out.   Guess they've made good and quick use of the "recall" system that also needs to be in place here! 

    Happy Independence Day to Egypt!  lol.
    While we still sit here under the "soft" tyranny of Barak Obama.

    1. Zelkiiro profile image85
      Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      ITT: Brenda advocates the assassination of our President.

      NSA, I know you're reading, so go ahead and report this to whomever is relevant.

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        Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Where did I say anything about Morsi being assassinated?  NOWHERE.   They arrested him, and are rounding up his minions.    What do you have against THE PEOPLE taking back their Nation,  either in Egypt or in America?    Where did I say anything about assassinating Barak Obama?   NOWHERE!     So stop jumping the gun and get a clue as to what American citizens' freedom is about.   I'll tell you what it ISN'T about-----it isn't about falsely accusing American citizens like me.    Are you one of those people who think it's okay to target conservatives and try to take their rights from them?   It's lookin' that way.

        1. Zelkiiro profile image85
          Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't your lot believe God chooses the President?

          Are you saying you want to oppose the will of God? How devout of you.

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            Silverspeederposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            I thought the President was man made? From the socks he wears on a certain day to what he utters and writes in his oval office. Same as any of the new polished professional political breed of any country.

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            Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            My "lot"?    You mean Christians, correct?   
            In Bible days, there was a system of Kings ruling, and yes, the Bible says to submit to them,  assuming they're for the good of the people.  They had all the power back then;  people had to submit to that authority sometimes.

            No, I don't believe God chooses the President.  At least not Obama.   I think He answered prayers when America chose George Bush, yes.   And I think He ALLOWED America to put Obama in, because people were hollering for a "King" instead of using their own rights and common sense.    Just as He allowed the people to have their King in the Bible when they wanted to be "led" by someone, anyone, since they didn't have the guts to lead themselves.

            In Bible days, there were actually Kings, rulers, and that was the system.   In some ways, that was needed, because life was hard and there needed to be some high authority that encompassed whole huge areas of living.    Even though it was tyranny, it was what was in place then.   And people had to render unto Ceasar what was his, and protect their own lives and their families' lives by submitting to the King.
            America doesn't have a King.  So we have the right to choose who leads us.   And we should have the right to "depose" those who would be King instead of public servants paid with the hard-earned money of the citizens.

            1. Zelkiiro profile image85
              Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you: Confirmation Bias at its finest!

              George W. was the result of answered prayers? What? What kind of sick, perverted mind would pray for God to inflict that disease on us?

              Was it you? Well, then, thanks for the Patriot Act, 3 money-sinking wars, and countless dead Iraqi women and children, I guess.

            2. Credence2 profile image85
              Credence2posted 3 years ago in reply to this

              "I think He answered prayers when America chose George Bush, yes."

              You can't be serious, either you are jesting or demented! What sort of rock do you all crawl out from under? If there are a lot of people who think like you in Texas, I am glad I don't live there!

      2. celafoe profile image70
        celafoeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        you are <personal attack removed> she never said that she said we need to do what they did and use the legal way and remove this garbage  barry sotoero adolph, barak, whatever his name is and the rest of his treasonist administration.

        1. Zelkiiro profile image85
          Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          The legal way to remove a president is through impeachment, and you need to actually have an impeachable offense to put forward.

          Gathering a mob of policemen to assault the president is illegal as hell.

          1. celafoe profile image70
            celafoeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            i was right the first time you are not only <personal attack removed> but also a <personal attack removed>.   
            to attack  Brenda  and accuse her of saying something she did not say is slander, maybe she should sue you, thats a language you people understand.
            You have no clue what the constitution says.  Yes we have over 100 charges of treason for which he should be executed.  and yes  the military is sworn to remove any one,   president or any other that tries to subvert our constitution. constitution.

            1. Josak profile image60
              Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              hahahahaha Oh my the loons have emerged tongue

            2. Credence2 profile image85
              Credence2posted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Thats what YOU say Celefoe, If Obama has 100 cases then Bush had 500, what were you saying about him? Rightwingers continue to make me sick to the stomach...... You will continue to lose with the MAJORITY of the ellectorate and I am delighted at the prospect

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                Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                You should get a barf bucket.   Ask the Left for one,  if they have any remaining that don't contain aborted baby parts.

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                  Disappearingheadposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  I wonder what the results would show if every woman leaving an abortion clinic was surveyed for their political persuasion. I'll wager that both lefties and righties have abortions in equal numbers.

                  1. John Holden profile image62
                    John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    And probably as many lefties as righties are opposed to abortion as a form of contraception.

                  2. Mighty Mom profile image91
                    Mighty Momposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    I don't imagine women in that situation are thinking much (read: at all) about their political identity.

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          Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Thanks.
          Yeah, Zelkiiro is in attack mode;  been that way for a while.........as long as I can remember actually....

          1. Zelkiiro profile image85
            Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Defense is for the weak. A good offense is the best defense. And the best offense. And the best everything. Screw the Defense and Magic Defense stats, I'm maxing out my Attack stat.

            If life were an RPG, I'd be the guy running out into the front lines dual-wielding massive axes while wearing a bathrobe.

          2. Uninvited Writer profile image83
            Uninvited Writerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            He calls her an idiot and you say she is in attack mode?

            1. celafoe profile image70
              celafoeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              learn to read I called the troll an idiot not her, Brenda ews correct.

            2. Zelkiiro profile image85
              Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              ...Her?

              1. Uninvited Writer profile image83
                Uninvited Writerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Sorry smile

    2. Josak profile image60
      Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      So you are celebrating the violent overthrow of a democratically elected government by non elected forces. Hmm just shows how much of a tyrant you are at heart.
      BTW that was not the Egyptian people just the Egyptian military.

      1. celafoe profile image70
        celafoeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        you need to study the constitution  your ignorance is showing.    Our military is also sworn to protect our constitution not the president.

        1. Cody Hodge5 profile image83
          Cody Hodge5posted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Of course, the President is the leader of the military......

    3. rhamson profile image76
      rhamsonposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      The pathetic truth is that the American People only get to choose from the slime the two parties offer in their ever present control of the country. Where we the people go wrong is by continuing to support the parties in their corrupt rule over us. We love to get side tracked with the social issues that have very little to do with the wealth that changes hands and the control it wields over us. We slept while we gave away our jobs to the Chinese and wonder what in the world could ever be wrong with supporting the Walmart , Kmart or Target business model. We don't think about the consequences of our greed and the problems that arise from them because it takes a little courage and thoughtful cooperation between ourselves.

      Term limits, publicly financed campaigns and lobby reform is our only hope. Where do you think congress and the rest of the slime stand on that?

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        Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Not just term limits.   We need to instill a recall law.   Obama would've been gone a long time ago if America had a system to recall an elected or appointed Official when they show themselves to be unfit.

        We also need some sort of system where each Party is actually held to vetting its Candidates properly before they can nominate them as Candidates.

        1. Uninvited Writer profile image83
          Uninvited Writerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          He hasn't shown himself to be unfit. Rick Perry on the other hand...

        2. Disappearinghead profile image88
          Disappearingheadposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Romans 13:1
          Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
          Romans 13:5
          Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
          Romans 13:6
          This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing.

          Oh dear Brenda. God doesn't like you bad mouthing his servant Obama that he placed in authority over you.

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            Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Those verses are given with the assumption that any common-sense reader will know to obey authority when authority is righteous.

            You might want to read some other verses too,  just so you can get an over-all picture of the proper actions by authority figures and government.

            Acts 5: 27--32:

            "And when they had  brought them, they set them before the council, and the high priest asked them,
            Saying, 'Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name?  and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.'

            The Peter and the other apostles answered and said, 'We ought to obey God rather than men.'

            The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

            Him hath God exalted with His right hand to be a Prince and a Savior,  for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins,

            And we are His witnesses of these things;  and so is also the Holy Ghost,  whom God hath given to them that obey Him."'


            By your "rules, the high priests were in authority, and according to you were "chosen by God"..........but indeed the followers of God recognized that the high priests weren't doing good,  and they told them about the much higher authority------Jesus Christ,  who we are to follow instead of just bowing down to every person who's been put into a position of earthly authority.

            Ya know, people like you would really learn a lot if you'd actually read the Bible instead of picking out verses that you can try to beat Christians over the head with.    But you don't.   Which is why I'm thinking I'll agree with those Christians who I've heard say that the Bible is meant for Christians, not for sinners, to interpret.   Because non-believers will try to twist it into things that are unseemly and unGodly.

            1. Disappearinghead profile image88
              Disappearingheadposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Paul was talking about secular government, the letter was addressed to the Romans, there's a clue there.

              It's funny you call me a sinner and an unbeliever because I don't agree with your right wing tea party Christianism. I bet you cannot conceive that a socialist Christian is possible.

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                Mighty Momposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                +1.
                Jesus was a socialist.

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          Deepes Mindposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Depending on when that recall law was enacted, there would have been several presidents that would have been recalled when they made a decision what was unpopular. the office of the president would be one huge revolving door and as such really have no power

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            Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            There could be a balance,  I have no doubt.
            If the President knew it could turn into a "revolving door", maybe he'd actually show responsibility and transparency.
            I'm much more scared of being tyrannized than of a "revolving door".
            Obama has already lowered the bar for the Office anyway, so low that it wouldn't make much difference if it was a "revolving door"-------maybe one of the Candidates would actually BE the servant of the American people that they're supposed to be.

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              Deepes Mindposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              You present an interesting point, but what if another country decides to take advantage of the chaos and instability of a revolving door leadership to attack us? without a firm commander in chief, too many different orders are coming down.. Very unstable

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                Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Sheesh.   With the lack of communication already between Obama and the citizens, between him and the other Government offices,  with his mantra of claiming to not know what's going on anywhere at all when it suits him, what difference would it make anyway!?

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                  Deepes Mindposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  The difference it makes is that there is one figurehead. that mantra is actually useful too because you never know if he's faking or if he's real. That unpredictability is both a good thing and a bad.

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                    Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Not the way I see it.
                    I think other Countries, as well as America's citizens, respect strength of mind, military strength, and personal straightforwardness from an American President.
                    We're not talking about secretive operations of the military or the FBI or etc. here.   We're talking about transparency and focus from the highest Office in the land.   There shouldn't be any wavering in that.

        4. rhamson profile image76
          rhamsonposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I don't know if there should be an instantaneous way of removing a questionable official other than for  treason and such. But a body politic that has had the pitfalls of bribery and public influence would be more like I am getting at to be treated to an exit out the door. The current congress and many before it have been entrenched through a system of corruption and greed that stymies the imagination. How can we expect a competent leader to arise from this slime pit of vipers with out having a good dose of the same slime on him or herself? There needs to be major reform in the way we elect our leaders and representatives. They believe they are there to get what they can and be re-elected plain and simple. What is so redeemable about being the longest serving member of congress? I think of it as a FAILURE of the system to test and introduce new ideas!

          Term limits, publicly financed campaigns and lobby reform is our only hope.

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            Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            I dunno.
            I know what you mean about Officials become sullied through government.   But the "government" is supposed to BE people, is it not?    So it's those people who bring the "slime" into it. 
            I've been told that it's practically impossible to be a member of the Government without being corrupt in some way.    I....have my doubts about that, actually.   I know the "Government" is big and there's a lot of things going on from every corner,  but I have to ask WHY CAN'T there be an honest, transparent government?

            I think you have good points about lobby reform, etc.....

          2. Uninvited Writer profile image83
            Uninvited Writerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            If that were true, they could get rid of all the congressmen and women who are not doing what they were elected to do.

        5. Mighty Mom profile image91
          Mighty Momposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Recall?
          Obama just got an encore performance in the form of a second term.
          I know that is really hard to wrap your head around.
          But it's the truth of the matter.

          1. Cody Hodge5 profile image83
            Cody Hodge5posted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Indeed, we have a recall every four years......

            Of course, that may not be enough time for the GOP to repeal every social gain that society made in the 20th century.....

      2. celafoe profile image70
        celafoeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        correct   we need  to go back to the original use of the constitution

        1. John Holden profile image62
          John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          What, you mean when women didn't have the vote and weren't thought worthy of having the vote?
          What say you Brenda? You for the original constitution?

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            Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            I mean back when men were men and women were women.
            When men took seriously and with much personal deliberation and thought their roles of authority in politics and as husbands.
            When they didn't try to act feminine.
            When women took seriously their roles as mothers and wives and were able to depend on men to behave in a masculine way.
            When women didn't try to cross gender lines and behave in masculine ways.
            Yeah, back when men weren't limp-wristed panty-waisted community organizers, and didn't try to cross gender lines, but were held to the authority they were given.
            When women weren't whining about wanting to kill their unborn babies, but actually took Life seriously.

            1. Credence2 profile image85
              Credence2posted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Gotta give you the keys to HG Wells', Time Machine and ask you to go back to the 18th or19th century where you seem to be more comfortable. I see why we are called progressives, the other side reminds me so much of whale bone corsets, powdered wigs and knee breeches.

              1. gmwilliams profile image86
                gmwilliamsposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Ouch, this is cracking me up!  C'mon now Credence2, be nice to Brenda.  We may NOT agree with her but she does have a right to her voice.

                1. Credence2 profile image85
                  Credence2posted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Sorry, I just said things that illustrate the point and make it more clear and vivid. While I might not agree with what the rightwinger may say, it would  undermine my status a progressive, if I did not give Ms. Durham full berth to speak her mind.

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                    Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Are you so snobbish that you don't realize that I think of "progressives"  more as regressives?     It isn't true progress at all to try to take us back to the days of  earthly lawlessness and open rebellion at the laws of God.   Progressives are trying to re-live the days of the old wild West before people started hiring Sheriffs to keep chaos from reigning  ....Wait.......it goes back even further than that...........back to the days of Sodom.
                    So your mockery of me is very ironic and indeed misplaced.    Conservatives are the true "progressives",  but no way are we gonna even claim that title since the liberals have already twisted it into unrecognizeability and claimed it erroneously for themselves,  just as they try to grab everything else too and make it only theirs, for their little group of political activists.

                  2. gmwilliams profile image86
                    gmwilliamsposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Credence2, you are right and I totally concur. As Dr. Phil has aptly said, there are THOSE who just don't get and never will in a thousand years.  I refuse to argue with such people, it is POINTLESS.  It is analogous to a Roman discussing the virtues of civilization and culture to a Hun! Some people speak their MIND, others speak their "mind". It is the last kind that really astound me with their 'thought"  process or what they believe or perceive to be such.

                    http://s2.hubimg.com/u/8216149_f248.jpg
                    You know, Credence2, there are FOLKS just can't, CAN'T be reasoned with, no matter how hard one tries. Best to leave them in their own world no matter how deluded it may be.

            2. John Holden profile image62
              John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Don't you mean "when women were considered to be the property of their fathers until they married and then became the property of their husbands"?

              Shush woman, hold your tongue or it'll be the big stick for you lol

          2. Josak profile image60
            Josakposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Oh no you John Brenda is more backwards than that, the liberation of women and female rights is a bad thing as far as she sees it.

            1. gmwilliams profile image86
              gmwilliamsposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Ouch, ouch but spot on!

    4. Credence2 profile image85
      Credence2posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      This is a dumb assertion, Brenda. If you don't like the current leadership you can elect to change it, or you can just leave the good ole USA!.
      You rightwingers had a chance in 2012 to correct your error, but those of us on the left would not hear of it and you failed. Is it possible that we have a voice, as well. Don't wanna burst your bubble, but I forget that is where most of you live.  So what are you advocating, insurrection against the will of the majority of the electorate?

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        Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        So now you want to call my assertions dumb.
        Whatever.
        That nullifies any credibility your post might've had, including any assumption that you're unbiased, plus it makes me not even want to answer any questions you have.   And I'm not gonna.  Especially since all you have to do is actually READ my posts to know what I'm advocating and NOT advocating.  LOL.

        1. celafoe profile image70
          celafoeposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          good luck Brenda, I am with you but have had all I can stand of wasting time with these fools.,   they have no desire for truth just want to cause confusion.

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            Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            That is indeed the aim they have.
            They pick a target,  condemn it,  take aim, and try to torture it as it dies.
            Distraction from the real issues and the real perpetrators (which is often themselves!)
            They're good at that.


            Happy 4th to you celafoe!   It's nice to converse with other level-headed people like you sometimes!  Thank God there are people like you around!

        2. Credence2 profile image85
          Credence2posted 3 years ago in reply to this

          I have read your posts, what are you talking about? The focus of your diatribe is to remove a president that YOU don't favor, it is partisan, political, unconstitutional and smacks of treason. The truth you and calafoe are speaking of is YOUR TRUTh and that, too, is relative depending upon your point of view.

          Of, course you know that the President can be impeached and removed from offfice for high crimes and misdemeanors. There is nothing that this President has done that support such an action.   If you can't answer my questions, that is ok, but don't use being indignant as an excuse......  Did not mean to bite ya....

    5. getitrite profile image80
      getitriteposted 3 years ago in reply to this



      So you think there should be a military coup to oust the President of the United Sates? 
      In my opinion, our process is what separates us from places in turmoil....like Egypt.  If we are going to follow their lead, I think that would be going backward.   You should have probably thought this through before you posted it.

      1. maxoxam41 profile image77
        maxoxam41posted 3 years ago in reply to this

        In what way the American people's fate is different from the Egyptians'? If a government is not responsible of its people therefore it should be ousted. Will a referendum satisfy you if you are afraid of the coup? Or an impeachment? Cowards need euphemisms don't they or political correctness?
        Can I remind you that Morsi was elected democratically, that he was asked by the people to leave and that he refused calling for repression and you are telling us that if it had to happen to us we would let us be killed? Yes, Egyptians have more guts. They are fighting for their rights as citizens against the abuses of their government. We should do the same. People are angry because Obama failed to provide what he promised. People are suffering and we are still waging wars against the world on our dimes.

    6. Disappearinghead profile image88
      Disappearingheadposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      I think one of the main objections of the Egyptians was that Morsi's Islamic Brotherhood wanted to turn the country into an Islamic state. It seems Brenda wants the US to turn into a theocracy too based upon her brand of Christianity. The end result would be the repeal of civil liberties of anyone who didn't follow the new laws based upon her interpretation of the bible. Religion and politics always leads to tyranny and oppression.

    7. Cody Hodge5 profile image83
      Cody Hodge5posted 3 years ago in reply to this

      It's not a coup if the people ask for it......

      Let me ask you something...

      How do you in good conscience vote for a party that restricts your right to decide what to do with your body?

      How do you in good conscience vote for a party that is willing to restrict the rights of others?

      Also, you're not allowed to use the Bible to answer this question as religion has no place in government.

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        Lie Detectorposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        "How do you in good conscience vote for a party that restricts your right to decide what to do with your body?"

        It is illegal to prostitute yourself! That is a restriction on what you can do with your body, as far as I know the democrat party agrees.
        So, How do you in good conscience vote for a party that restricts your right to decide what to do with your body?

        Having said that.
        How do you in good conscience vote for a party that is willing to restrict the rights of others?

        1. Cody Hodge5 profile image83
          Cody Hodge5posted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Lol....nice try

          1. Cody Hodge5 profile image83
            Cody Hodge5posted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Abortion is legal as ruled by the Supreme Court

            Therefore, it is your right to get an abortion.

            Prostitution is considered a 10th amendment "states rights" issue.

            I would also add that prostitution is legal in Nevada.

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            Lie Detectorposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            What difference does it make?

            There are limits to what you can do with your own body, why shouldn't that extend to abortions?

            Oh, wait, it does.

            1. Mighty Mom profile image91
              Mighty Momposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              So if the government tries to restrict what you put INTO your body by, for example, banning
              supersized sodas, you scream bloody hell.
              But when it comes to restricting what comes OUT of your body -- and only women's bodies (you can bet your ass this would never be an issue if men got pregnant) you want the government fully in control

              The irony is in closing down womens health clinics you cause more women to get pregnant.
              Oh wait. Maybe that's what you really want.
              More poor girls and women on welfare raising children in poverty so you can bitch about them.

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                Lie Detectorposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                A little hysterical today? Shaving 4 weeks off the abortion is going to cause what exactly? Have abortions been banned?

                If a woman can't decide in four months weather to get an abortion or not then she has bigger problems than an unwanted pregnancy.

                1. PrettyPanther profile image85
                  PrettyPantherposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Careful, your ignorance is showing.  Women have many reasons for making the difficult to decision to have an abortion, some of which include circumstances that cannot be known earlier in the pregnancy.  Maybe I'm misinterpreting your commentary here, but you seem to think women are basing their decisions on mere personal whim as opposed to physical and environmental circumstances.

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                    Lie Detectorposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    Careful, your ignorance is showing.

                    These are the reasons given for abortion.

                    Why do women have abortions? Most U.S. women cite more than one factor contributing to their decision to have an abortion: Almost three-quarters say that having a baby would interfere with work, school or other responsibilities; about three-quarters say they cannot afford to have a child; and almost half say they do not want to be a single parent or are having problems with their husband or partner.

                    It seems that most have abortions for the inconvenience a baby may place on their lives.

                    Probably should have thought of that before the sex act!

              2. gmwilliams profile image86
                gmwilliamsposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                +1.000,000,000,000,000-how oxymoronic, prolifers do not want girls and women to have abortions but to have unwanted children.  Then when these unwanted children, who grew up abused and in poverty, mug them, these pro-lifers are the FIRST ones to cry for the death penalty!  They are also the ONES who complain about their tax dollars going to support welfare programs which mostly comprise of aid to needy children.  How paradoxically illogical is their premise indeed.  Prolifers are really antilifers when one really thinks about it, hmmmmm...........

    8. Uninvited Writer profile image83
      Uninvited Writerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      So... how many people have died because of guns since Sandy Hook? No one's guns have been taken away.

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        Lie Detectorposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Certainly not from a lack of trying.

    9. hossamfahmi profile image61
      hossamfahmiposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Hello Brenda, I know you have an interest to know more about Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood and what they did in Egypt so i wrote an article about it check it out and i would like so much to know your opinion about it and if you liked it  i will write another article about Obama and his close friendship with The Muslim Brotherhood  that almost make Egypt fall in a deep dark hole only for his interests not caring about anybody nor the Egyptians or the Muslim Brotherhood  interests thats why the Egyptian hated his policy with the Egyptians.

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        Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        I'll be happy to read it and comment!   Thanks.
        Give me a while;  I'm busy at home and just checked in here for a few minutes.   But I will be back later!  smile

        1. hossamfahmi profile image61
          hossamfahmiposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          OK, take your time and thanks for your concern smile

  2. stclairjack profile image79
    stclairjackposted 3 years ago

    Egpyt is smaller than Texas,.... and Texas still has Rick Perry

    but Texas has cable TV and while we might march in the streets at a carefully timed and organized demonstration (mutual admiration party with adequate press coverage)..... we will still need to pick up a bucket of take out and get home in time to watch the next episode of what ever distracts the masses.

    just sayin,.... land of the free,... home of apathy,.. from sea to shining televised sea.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Yes, it has become like that.
      And that's only natural;  we're human;  we would like to rest a while and enjoy our freedom without having to stay on alert all the time.
      But I think when push finally comes to shove,  there will still be a large majority of Americans who will finally get off their couches and fight for the freedom we hold so dear.
      Well, I said it's only natural.  It has been, up til the last few years.    It veered off onto fear and confusion and division, not knowing who's a patriot or not, even, when our own citizens started cutting down America.    Hmm.........about the time Barak Obama started being groomed as a "King" to rule us all.

      1. stclairjack profile image79
        stclairjackposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Barak Obama is meerly a symptom of a much bigger problem,... he is but one person in a long line of leaders since FDR to be in the white house durring the great transition from people to sheep,.... the only thing "natural" about it is the logical implosion of democracy when the people get the idea that they can magicaly get something for nothing. when the people fancy the idea safety more than they do liberty,... when they hold status quo more sacred than freedom,... then its NATURAL for the state to impeed the freedom liberty and very lives of a people who create the monster that will devour them.

        and then, much like parasite that was once happily hosted by its victim until it destroys the victim,... the parasite will die with its host,... and the next host will rise up from the fertilizer created from death,...... meaning,.....

        we, as a nation, have but a finite time to exist until we implode under the weight of the state we create,... then,... a new nation will rise from the ruins,.... and repeat the cycle,.... so far mankand hasnt learned not to REPEAT history.

        will this happen in yours or my lifetime?.... probably not any more than it was suposed to have happened 20, 40 or 100 years ago,... but it WILL happen,.... will it be bloody chaos? or more of a leverage buy out?.... one never knows,.. mankind seems not to have outgrown its thirst for conquest, bloody or otherwise.

        the only sure bet is that it WILL happen,... and 99.99% of all people caught up in the moment in time will be utterly powerless to change it,... only survive it,.... weather it be us or our great grandkids.

        the key to succes is surviving the moment when it happens,... if we even recognize it when it does,.... i suspect that a great many of us will wake up one day and suddenly realize that it all changed over night,... 20 years ago.

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      Lie Detectorposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Is Rick Perry the bad guy of the month for the left? I don't know much about him but the voters of Texas seem to like him, he is the longest serving governor of Texas ever.

      1. Zelkiiro profile image85
        Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Rick Perry is Captain Theocracy, and he won't stop until we're just like a Christian Saudi Arabia.

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          Lie Detectorposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          So he is the bad guy of the month.

          1. Uninvited Writer profile image83
            Uninvited Writerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Just one of many...

      2. Uninvited Writer profile image83
        Uninvited Writerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        But he is losing popularity by the second, especially with women.

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          Lie Detectorposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          Because women need 5 months to decide if they want an abortion instead of 4 months?

          How horrible for them.

          1. Uninvited Writer profile image83
            Uninvited Writerposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            Sometimes, the baby dies. You want women to wait 9 months to deliver? You might want to read up on that Irish woman who died.... it got the government to make abortion legal under circumstances such as that.

            And that is not the whole bill he passed.... underhandedly. He would have kept trying until it passed even though most of the voters are against it. This will deny pregnant women health care by closing down most clinics, making it a lot harder for women who do not have money to get proper pre-natal care. I can bet you some will have late-term miscarriages because of this, I just hope no one dies.

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              Lie Detectorposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              "even though most of the voters are against it."

              Not according to this.
              http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress … n-20130626

  3. maxoxam41 profile image77
    maxoxam41posted 3 years ago

    The problem is not Obama but the people behind him that pull the strings, the lobbies, the elite. To believe that our president is omnipotent is a fallacy. Kennedy's death is the perfect example.
    Brenda, I understand your statement, we, as the Egyptians need to clean up our government, our congress, our society from the people that are longing to enslave us, to reestablish infeudation.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      True.
      You get it.
      I wish everyone did.

  4. Verily Prime profile image81
    Verily Primeposted 3 years ago

    Be steadfast sister - SECULAR MESSIAH'S MINIONS WILL EVEN GO AS FAR AS QUOTING SCRIPTURE  TO JUSTIFY PRESIDENT OBAMA'S DEEDS AGAINST CHRISTIANITY - I SURELY HOPE THAT HE IS NOT THE MODERN DAY PHAROAH ON ACCOUNT OF THE WOES THAT ARE GOING TO BEFALL US.

    1. Zelkiiro profile image85
      Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Orrrrrrrrr...

      He's just a mediocre president that will be long forgotten once 2016 rolls around.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Verily Prime, my friend, yes,  we will stay steadfast, with the help of the true Messiah Jesus!!  smile

  5. Zelkiiro profile image85
    Zelkiiroposted 3 years ago

    I will say this, however: If the next election is between Joe Biden and the same crop of GOP losers we had last time...

    ...I'll bet on Jon Huntsman until he is tossed out of the primaries for being the only sane person in the party, and then I'm hauling ass out of here, because that will truly be the end.

  6. Greensleeves Hubs profile image96
    Greensleeves Hubsposted 3 years ago

    There's some frightening ideas presented here, of the kind which seem all too common in the west.

    First, let me say that I'm certainly no fan of the Muslim Brotherhood.  Religion should be kept out of mainstream politics and in the circumstances which exist in the Middle East, it's disturbing to see any non-secular party come to power. I would have fervently hoped to see their defeat in the next general election.

    But that's the point. President Morsi and his party should probably have been removed at the next general election, NOT by the army responding to a protest by a minority of the population. I say probably because I am assuming that Morsi was elected in a free and fair election, and that he had every intention of calling another free and fair election when his time was up. If either of those assumptions is incorrect, then there is indeed a case for removing him by force. If however, neither of those assumptions are incorrect, then he should not have been removed in this way, and it is frightening how some seem to think that the President of the United States should be ousted in a similar manner.

    That is crazy. Democracy is paramount. It must be protected and the Government elected must be allowed to run its course. To do otherwise is to set a precedent which when applied once can then be repeated for subsequent elected governments of whatever political persuasion. That way lies anarchy.

    Too many people these days - even those in long established democracies who should know better - apparently believe that because they disagree with the government, they should have the right to remove it through protest or violence. They shouldn't. Any government which is elected in free, fair elections should have the opportunity to try to carry out its policies; if those policies are unpopular or unworkable, then the government should be ousted at the next election - not through street protests and military intervention. That's how democracy works, and I hope that's what's allowed to happen in Egypt after a return to civilian rule.

    1. Mighty Mom profile image91
      Mighty Momposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Well said.

      This is only their first election out of the chute.
      We don't yet know if democracy is going to "stick" in Egypt.

    2. rhamson profile image76
      rhamsonposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      In a perfect world I agree with all of what you said. Democracy should rule over the military and the overthrow of Morsi should have been at the ballot box and not the end of a rifle. From what I have read the constitution in Egypt is very flawed and needs to be amended to become a sensible and fair ruling document. Morsis' attempted decree of assuming powers above and beyond his office is what began this discontent. Should a corrupt and ascending dictator be allowed to run the country on a flawed document that he himself tried to circumvent? Was there too little time to establish a solvent government based on the Egyptian constitution? Was the Muslim Brotherhood poised to create another autonomous theocracy that would rule the other half of those that were defeated in the election? There are too many questions that are unanswered and have relevance to judge whether or not the military acted properly in restarting the process in Egypt. I think we shall have to wait and see if the military will influence elections and policy in the new government to judge what their role was and the propriety of it.

  7. psycheskinner profile image79
    psycheskinnerposted 3 years ago

    I can only agree.  Military overthrow is not the "normal procedure" for any democracy.  It might seem a good idea at the time but then you end up in an overthrow-reform-protest tailspin like Fiji.  Real democracy uses protest in conjunction with leadership change within the party or election.  And as a election was not overdue....

  8. Cody Hodge5 profile image83
    Cody Hodge5posted 3 years ago

    Eh, our first constitution didn't work out. I think we turned out just fine.

  9. hossamfahmi profile image61
    hossamfahmiposted 3 years ago

    Hi I'm Hossam I'm Egyptian we isolated Morse from his position because this man promised us to much will be done in Egypt and he will rule the country by god's legislation  and he will fix many broken things in Egypt in a few days , But it turned out that he was working and taking orders from his Community Muslim Brotherhood and this Community is Extremist  in many actions and don't know a shit about god's legislation they were working only for themselves  so he was isolated by the power of the Egyptian people not by overthrow.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

      Hi Hossam.  Thanks for confirming that.
      If you're for real, then it's really  good to hear from an Egyptian about this!
      Welcome to Hubpages.

      1. hossamfahmi profile image61
        hossamfahmiposted 3 years ago in reply to this

        Thank you Brenda and Iam for real , I'm 26 years old young Egyptian Citizen who living in a city in Egypt called Alexandria, I lived in Egypt  all my life , I attended the past dark and bright days the 25TH and 30 of June Revolution, I would like so much to exchange Culture with you all and let you know better about Egypt and the Egyptian by facts . thanks for welcoming me.

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          Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

          It's cool to make contact with you.
          I have a question, if you don't mind answering......?
          In your first post, you said Morsi was supposed to rule by "god's legislation",  but that he didn't do that.   Can you tell me what that means?    What's the main religion in Egypt?  What do Egyptians consider "god's legislation"?

          (I hope I spelled that right.......is it Morsi or Morse?

          No matter what, I want to again congratulate you and the citizens for ousting Morsi.   It's common knowledge that the Muslim Brotherhood is extremist,  and it's sad that a man in that group was even able to get elected.

          1. hossamfahmi profile image61
            hossamfahmiposted 3 years ago in reply to this

            The main Religion in Egypt is Islam but we have Christians but the good Egyptian people love the Christians and cares about them like we care about Muslims and they have all the rights that we have in Egypt ,  God's Legislation is what god told us the Muslims to do and behave in our life and how we can judge the people who does awful crimes against us or the humanity it's the laws that God gave it to us , The laws that we should resort to it when we have a problem in our life , The laws that reviews the beauty of our Islam not by power or terrorist the innocent  people but by tolerance and love to whole humanity and by this laws which is in our Holy Koran we can live in peace and love each other and extending in our Country because we believe that this laws is for all times.
            that's God' legislation what Morsi promised us to be rolled in Egypt in good and proper way , We have here in Egypt Human Legislation is good and fair but not perfect because every human have disadvantages even the most fairest man or Community so some or few laws won't be perfect compared to God's Legislation but unfortunately Morsi put Religion as a mask to hide his true Intentions and his true Intentions appeared to us of course he was going after power to himself and his Community Muslim Brotherhood he only care about these two things not about the Egyptian people and interest of the Egyptians so he deceived us.

            1. hossamfahmi profile image61
              hossamfahmiposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              soon I'll write an article in the Hub pages about  Muslim Brotherhood and their history in Egypt and how Morsi gain power and became a president .
              and it's  Morsi or Morse never mind ...lol

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              Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

              Thanks.
              Yep, a leader is supposed to have the interests of the people on his agenda, not just his own personal desires nor the agenda of the few power-hungry people around him.

              1. John Holden profile image62
                John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                Name one leader who has not been for himself and his party?

                1. HollieT profile image89
                  HollieTposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  Clement Atlee- but was for the party because it was worthy then. smile

                  1. John Holden profile image62
                    John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    But I bet there would be those who would disagree with you, like every tory.

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                  Brenda Durhamposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                  It's not just for his Party.   A tyrant is only for himself and his surrounding appointees.   He simply uses the majority of whichever mindset he can use.   He doesn't really care about the majority nor the minority of the people.

                  1. John Holden profile image62
                    John Holdenposted 3 years ago in reply to this

                    I didn't mean party as in the people who elect, but the party as in those close to him/her.

 
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