Do you believe in Heaven and Hell? If so, who goes where?

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   nmdondersposted 11 years ago

   I was taught that going to Heaven or Hell depended on your morals and how you were as a person.  I'm just curious what happens to infants or disabled people that are not able to control their actions.

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      Grandysposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      They go to heaven. God is beneficial. :-)

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   knolyourselfposted 11 years ago

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purgatory

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   Paul K Francisposted 11 years ago

   I do not believe in hell but I realize that it is a part of many people's faith, so I let it be. But the idea of a child going to any negative place absolutely appalls me, and rest assured my friend, it's only paridise, or better, for them.
   Have a great day.

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   Rhonda D Johnsonposted 11 years ago

   In certain African religions everyone goes to the same place.  The catch is you will find yourself surrounded by people who are just like you.  If you are selfish, you will be surrounded by selfish people.  If loving, then loving people will surround you.  To some extent, that's the way life is even before you die.

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   jacharlessposted 11 years ago

   If the Kingdom of heaven is within, then there is no such external place where the spirits of the dead go to wait resurrection or to exist. Likewise, there is no such place as Hell//Sheol//Hades as the record says both death AND Hell have been swallowed up//destroyed//removed by accomplishment over the grave, fulfilling the Passover. The doctrines have been instructed incorrectly and therefore millions have been instructed incorrectly and believed in vain.
   
   My sincerest apologies to those who learned this concept, as I taught this lie to thousands because I too was blinded by my own reason and ego, at the time.
   
   James

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      Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Hi James. I'm interested in what you think has happened to all the people who have passed away. I know you think we were designed not to die, so where are the ones who have; in your opinion? Not completely gone, are they?

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         jacharlessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         You are going to have be Hub-lynched, Emile. lol
         On rare -if any occasion do I ever emotionalize my posts...
         
         Of all text read, including Hebrew, Hebrew-Gentile (christian letters), Vedas, Cuneiform, Philosophies the many, Scientific, etc have not found any support for a 2nd resurrection, nor validity of re-incarnation. If any points to fact, Moshaich makes the claim:
         A. the KOH is in you, which is the Seed of Immortality, which is grown and manifest by the Father {Spirit} because the person lets go of ego, else  B. one is dead already, even though they breath for a short time.
         
         It is quite emphatic and almost shivering to read or even think about.
         
         My experience with this is somewhat personal, having 'witnessed' with my own eyes the power of complete restoration, physically and mentally, by an individual quite close to me, only to see her once more die in that same physic and mental way.
         
         I can only conclude, based on the text, and experience, that yes, those who are gone are gone. And when I tell you I do not like it one bit, believe it thoroughly and unequivocally. Even at this very instance it pains me to discuss it. The very thought of them being no more, yet having every such opportunity to be more... No religion, soothing words, sweet songs nor science or shoulder, in all the world combined, can quench that feeling in me...
         
         Each spirit void of a temple, a clay pot, whatever, is absorbed back from where it came -the Spirit.
         There are many would-be ideas floating about afterlife and such, but none have valid proof or even valid explanation. Knowing the Hebrew text well enough, I know there is no mention of an afterlife -aka heaven- where dear sweet grandma stares down upon us for all eternity, sending angels or assistance until more die and are recycled to do the same generation after generation, forever. The other concepts come from a variety of intertwined pagan beliefs, which too have no validity. The idea of a second resurrection comes because there is a mention of a first resurrection and therefore people assume, without validity, there will be a second. But, you know these stories too well -stories of war with angels and demons, battles between entities eternally old, rapture, etc. None of which are true in their respective expressions.
         
         In my most honest, experiential, humble opinion, those dead are just that, dead.
         Those alive can become spiritual-physical immortal and live Life forever.
         There is no in-between.
         
         James.

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            Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Now that is intriguing. I've come to accept that the only thing that makes sense is absorption back into the  whole; with the elements that make up our consciousness moving into other roles within the fabric of reality. It's the only way I can envision an eternal existence working and functioning side by side with the reality we observe; without  the eventual accompanying boredom an eternal existence could create
            
            That being said. I have always enjoyed your posts; but saw them as another pie in the sky and unworkable theory. I'm not so sure that I do anymore. I've always assumed there would be a change once we learned enough about this reality to have a thorough understanding of what makes us so unique. I suppose your theory isn't really so far fetched. Although I'm not sure how that might work out in the long run. I would think, at some point it would be time to move on.

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               jacharlessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Well, I agree the dead have their spirit absorbed by the Ineffable once more. Included with that is the body absorbed into the physic elements, which contains the brain where said light frequencies, defined as consciousness operate. Am not certain I established my position on consciousness being limited to the brain area, but that is how it makes most sense, to me. And consider this: eternity need not be endless boredom, nor white robed "kumbaya".
               
               Hmm. Mind if I ask what it is you are considering that makes it more workable? Right. My explanation of this is often the restoration from amnesia. At which point the Twins are reunified, and correctly expressed. This completely frees humans from necessity to Reason and to experience the essence of Free Will. And that moving on is into the stasis of immortality, ineffable joy, etc. I also do think there is more to this human location for said immortals. As if this was the first of many places man would be placed, as an immortal. Many worlds to explore, to govern, etc. Seems that plan was delayed a bit...
               
               I once watched a film called Contact, with the lovely Jodie Foster. {between she, Helen Hunt and Kate Hudson, am often at a loss for words...lol} Anyway. In the film, humans are given a communication device, by others who had stumbled upon it. A time portal to traverse the farthest reaches of the universe. I would liken immortality for man the same. Traveling between infinite worlds within this universe.
               
               James.

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                  Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  I probably think it is more workable because I assume if you think the spiritual element is currently reabsorbed, just as the physical element is; there is a good chance you followed a similar path to that conclusion. Which means, if our observations and experiences have led each of us to that same conclusion there is a greater probability that, were I presented with the information that has led you to the next conclusion; I would understand the reasoning and likely agree.

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                     jacharlessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     I think, you are correct. Many are considering, contemplating and even aligned with this particular line of thinking. Am certainly not the first nor last.   As for information, have been compiling a philosophical paper -or book rather- which outlines and details. But, much of it, I prefer, is better as a human-human discussion. On that note, am more than open to such a discussion, if those who are, or even genuinely curious, are truly interested in a very thick and lengthy discussion.
                     
                     By the way, thank you --and I'll leave the gratitude at that.
                     
                     James.

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                        Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        I'm afraid a discussion  on a subject that fascinating would never be able to happen on this site. Too many parties appear to have a vested interested in thwarting any attempts.

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   SpanStarposted 11 years ago

   If there is no Hell then Jesus would be wasting his time judging souls on judgement day.  There would be no point in having The Book of Life.
   
       http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Life

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      tussinposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Because such a book surely exists.  Your answer is most logical.

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