lol alright, that was kinda boring. What is the fantasy ones?
Jewels, maybe you or someone else will be able to answer this for me.
How can Mohit be so wrapped up on meditation when he forgets everything he releases in meditation? I could be wrong, but I get the idea that meditation is drawing from all of your surroundings being 1 and at the same time releasing negative energy while finding a balanced mind and body along with finding yourself. My question is, how can Mohit claim to understand meditation so well and then completely contradict it?
Because he's a human being with issues, instead of an 'enlightened' prophet.
I agree and I think we all have issues. I just think some of us are more honest with our issues unlike Mohit.
Am I off on the meditation?
To mock someone ranked so highly is being honest?
I don't think he is really 'wrapped up in meditation' at all. If he was, and really into it then he would be able to grasp experiences and put words to his own. As we have seen his enlightenment experience is very limited in explanation. I've had extreme experiences of light, heat and what some would say is "God" and I can explain them quite vividly even though words don't do justice. I do know however, that these experiences are the tip of the iceberg and saying they are "God" is so limiting. But any experience that has light in it would be termed "God" to many seekers. It's not always the case, though any experience of light is better than never having had it.
I have had experiences I am the one, this fool ranked next to Bibles is an idiot, thats all this is about.
Be truthful you are not enlightened so you don't know what enlightenment is, you have only heard or read about it.
Yo will not be able to dream of doing what I already have.
He got no idea about meditation and all. People got one new trick to earn fast in life that is" Come up with meditation/relaxation 101 tips" and preach it from either religious or non-religious angle as there are many people in india and outside it under stress of something. Make them feel good and you're done. It's not new. Here in india, you can see such people every 100 meters.
Some contradictions i found about wanna-be enlightened and spiritualists:
- these wanna-be people want salvation but they want to earn adsense as well, use science/internet/money/credit card and they want moksha on other hand..how materialistic ?
- in one side they say god is beyond logic, and on another side they claim you need enlightenment on another side.
- they claim about being nice/goody goody and here you can find people spiting sarcasm/hatred against non-believers.
- with every post they make for god's justification, they assume god's position either from scriptures or from their own self bias..
If they understand god and meditation, why they show mickey-mouse ego and attitude of Donald duck ?
I agree, I don't have an answer for anything because I agree. lol Most will probably use making money as an out of making money through and for God.
What does skyfire have against Donald Duck
Here in India no one is foolish enough to insult someone ranked over Bhagwat Gitas and Ramayanas they have more sense than that and spiritual people are respected.Especially those who have proved themselves with their work.
What sort if human forget Indian does such a thing?
Doesn't show great character.
Yes because here in india people are more deluded to buy things from person who lacks in experience (and that includes grammar). And ranking gita, ramayana you say ? Kidou where is the proof i'm asking to you ? did you show me rankings ? and do you understand what ranking you boast is on just one website on which you have not maintained the ranking.
materialistic ?
Poetry is beyond the limitation of the language in the very first place.
Look at that web site again, so now its only one one web site , need to be on a hundred ? rubbish.
If I am speaking the truth then please have a little bit of decency and stop this non sense.
Non-sense ? You're posting lie here and that is what we all are pointing you to that you're posting ranking which is not there in the website.
100 websites ? Dude, your ranking is dropped on single one you pointed,it's not there wake up. You need to show us proof if it's there. Don't make things out and claim something that you don't know.
1) Is boasting about ranking (which is dropped now) is non-sense ?
or
2) Pointing that ranking is dropped is non-sense ?
What is truth ?
Absolute non sense.You are bind doesn't make me the liar go back and click on the Franklin link now my work is i on the first page overall as well.
Overall from 111,958
http://find.franklin.com/nav/gr/ebooks/0
12.Ponder Awhile Mohit .K.Misra
Top Spiritual and Religious from 2920
http://find.franklin.com/nav/ca/Spiritu … r/ebooks/0
2.Ponder Awhile Mohit.K.Misra
For link 1) Lol, see for yourself Mohit No 12. Do you understand rank 12 ? You got dropped in ranking which you claim to be at top.
2) For spiritual and religion book top ? you're charging 1.5$ and that makes it top and high ranked book in terms of content?, i'll think before boasting numbers this way seriously. I guess we need serious understanding of English here for person who don't understand what the other person is trying to say.
Nonsense in my post ? Err...Come again...
I never said overall 12 I said 2 in Spiritual and Religious.
What has price got to do in that case one seller has priced my book on amazon at $1,156 . and some 716 pounds for UK
Even if My work was ranked yesterday and not today it is still a foolish reason to mock .
There are places I have the choice of pricing and I want it priced as low as possible so it reaches out o all.
Under $5 my work is ranked at 1 .
Keep finding some excuse to mock.
Lol, the guy who said his work is ranking over dan brown is telling others that they are finding excuse ? Dude, you have no idea how many times you got pawned here. Still you find reason to defend your false pride and ranking ?
Forget it you will keep finding some excuse.What has Dan brown got to do with the Bibles in the first place and yes that library has ranked my work over his look it up, I am sick and tired of showing you proof only to get attitude from you in return.
show me dan brown lost over you in religion section and tell the world loudly that you beat him in religious section. Do you forget to take screenshot when you reach rank ? I wonder what's up with false pride and excuses over ranking ?
Not showing you anything look it up.Is getting ranked over Dans Browns books more credentials then getting ranked over Bhagwat Gitas?
Lol, bhagwat gita is just another book, don't play these wisdom word game if you have no idea about it,when it comes to business. All are books and we're counting on sales and ranks. You ranked over dan brown in some small store because of price ,right ? Isn't this truth ? or you want to boast that you take over gita and dan brown because of your content ? get a life.
Bhagwat Gita is just another book, such an intelligent statement.Price has nothing do do with these ranking and neither has sales, sorry to disappoint you once again.You get a life I am living mine with meaning and purpose.
Look I have so much humility Jesus you should be like Me.
Yes it is just another book in shelf when we compare sales and rank. Do you have comprehension issue ? Besides you're only here with ego and attitude, whole HP is showing you that you're wrong with bragging, need holy enlightenment now ? Or life ?
Who are you to show me and what are your friends who do qualifications All of you get together will not be able to do what I already have.
So many simply say wow and congratulations ,they dont give me crap, why the crap?
My qualification says that my English comprehension and grammar is much better than you and i don't need to boast about whatever success i had in past and present to boast on public forum.
And my friends in HP ? Dude, if you boast these number on any other forum,you'll see the similar replies.
And all of us can't do what you did ? Dude you need to wake up from dream there are many better writers than you who have more publisher deals than your self-promoted book deal in franklin store. If any one good writer in HP stands against you to that you're pawned on amazon/bn.com. Only low price can save you there. So let's not get into mocking, save your strength to improvement.
Good for you I give more importance to the message than the grammar.Please let us know when you get raked over the Bhagwat Gita, will be the first to congratulate you.
Not an English professor but was a Navigating Officer in the Merchant Navy when I gained enlightenment.
For proper grammar there is a friend out here called Paraglider , consult him his English is superb,very proper.
Whats stopping you from writing a masterpiece which will hep humanity?
Again trying to find a fault by looking at the price, you are a very desperate person.
.
Lol, this guy can't even admit that he lacks in grammar. you know your message can be interpreted in many ways and you'll get in queue of wanna-be enlightened if you still persist with that poor grammar. Do you know what people can interpret with that poor grammar message in your book ? Ponder forever.
And who wants to write book on religion ? Are you getting so pissed off that you don't even remember which forum member challenged you for that ? Get over yourself Mr Mishra, read this thread again to see who challenged you. I'm into rational and productive writing not religion garbage which many times lacks in grammar by wanna-be prophets.
We're not finding faults in you, you're showing it to us so that we can easily point it out in case you missed it.
Chop his head and grow tall the only way to feed your ego
Contradict , buddy is getting ranked next to Bibles, Qurans and BhAgwat Gitas contradiction?
there are a lot of different types of meditation. One is the one You described.
Thanks tantrum. I admit, I haven't tried a lot of meditation. I like to understand how things work before I try them so I know what the point is doing when i'm doing it. lol
I would like to see, what his answer would be !
I think something is very wrong with him.
If I was lectured this way in a forum, I would feel ashamed of being found out.
but he continues to come over and over again with the ranking stuff and his arrogance.
I don't understand.
Maybe he needs help
I think he hangs on the idea that Jesus was a prophet along with other prophets that no one listened to, so he is no different. I think he believes he is just like them with the word of God that no one will listen to.
I will give his pride credit for one thing. It will keep him fighting wars even when he is destroyed with no chance of winning. It also keeps him shooting blindfolded. lol Back to that balance part.
Everyone is not foolish and arrogant , ranked with the Bibles its not possible for everyone to mock me and not listen ,its the totally ridiculous who will not.
I didn't mean it for lecture. But this seriously goes way above self-promotion and yesterday's pawned session didn't change him at all.
I know, I agree.
I enjoyed reading all of it. I just felt bad that I didn't have much to add or comment on because I agreed with it. lol
There is something fundamentally wrong with someone who claims to be so "enlightented" that rain does not fall on him and spends so much time boasting and trying to prove said enlightenment by way of some popularity ranking on a 3rd tier e-book "library."
Perhaps the book is so popular there because it only costs $1.50.
mohit, you give so much meaning to your ability to write poetry (which I actually find trite and sophomoric, compared to say, Rumi or Hafiz (please don't quote your ranking again)), and that this is proof of your enlightenment - I wonder if you've ever read this verse...
"
Those who know do not talk.
Those who talk do not know.
Keep your mouth closed.
Guard your senses.
Temper your sharpness.
Simplify your problems.
Mask your brightness.
Be at one with the dust of the earth.
This is primal union.
He who has achieved this state
Is unconcerned with friends and enemies,
With good and harm, with honour and disgrace.
This therefore is the highest state of man.
"
Tao te ching - ch. 56 - Lao Tzu
(translation by Gia-fu Feng and Jane English)
If there was an 'enlightened' one, that was Lao Tzu.
Beautiful. Thanks for adding this, exactly what I was trying to pass.
You dont believe in enlightenment and have no idea what is it so your statement is absurd.First gain enlightenment then talk about what it is and how enlightened ones are, this includes Jewel as well.
Zarathustra claimed it so did Buddha so did Mahavira so did Guru Nanak and many others have claimed enlightenment I am not the first to do so.The greatest of prophets have .
Much better than Rumi or Hafiz have you read my work?
Buddy no one who is not enlightened can put his knowledge down on paper and compete with Bibles, its just not possible .
I believe that justice for all who need it, mercy for all who give and accept it, and happiness and friendship for all who truly want it will not only happen, it is necessary.
As for how, I have some ideas, but I won't claim to know.
It's both fascinating and disturbing that so many people spend their active lives concerned about what happens when their bodies give out....
I see it as just a giant waste of time.....which can also lead to delusions...
Focus on living...
Mohit, you still bragging about your book rankings???
Far out, man. Who gives a toss??
Bragging is pride, and pride is sin. PERIOD.
Try HUMILITY. Might get you further.
Oh god now its your egos turn.
Then stop quoting from the Bible as well as its just another book, nothing else.Why don't you try humility surely you would have given a sermon to Jesus and the other Christians saints whose words the Bible is composed on about humility.
I don't have a ranking to brag about, so no ego here!
In fact, I don't have much of anything to brag about.
So why tell someone who has achieved something when he shares with you what he has achieved, something you are unable to do.
Cant you just be normal and have humility and appreciate it.
You call yourself spiritual ? Those words of his came from experience something that you lack. Take criticism in right direction or be a good entertainer by more bragging, choice is yours.
Yes I am a spiritual poet Philosopher ranked at 2 in spiritual books, yet you keep insisting on giving me attitude and try to mock me I am tried of you and your cronies.Who is he , is he the one who wrote the Bible alone and is now admonishing me, dont think so.
Hes is bragging right now , he thinks he has humility by mocking a spiritual poet ranked with the Bibles.
Books store ? self promotion based book store am i right ? Want to get pawned here again ?
Its my books ranking I didnt rank it. Whats so difficult to understand in this?
Lol, your ranking is not there at top it's "12 and 2" on self-promotion bookstore. Read the bold part and digest before you start again.
IN RELIGION AND SPIRITUAL LOOK IT UP.HAVE EVEN POSTED THE LINK RECENTLY.
POSTED A LINK TO YOUR REPLY EARLIER BUT YOU JUST GO ON ANd ON AND ON.
ARE YOU BLIND OR CANT READ PROPERLY?
You are editing your replies. do you think we are ignorant ? Personal remarks from spiritual and religious person never cease to amaze me. You're man of faith, i hope you get the sarcasm.
besides that do you ignore your links are of site "self promotion book store" ? Yes or no ?
You are too much. Sarcasm ,right.
What do you mean by self promotion book store , this is a new angel you found to ridicule me.Its a library ranking simple.
again reply edited.
Self promotion book store means you're not getting any publisher deal with your book. You're promoting on your own. Don't tell me you got publisher deal and you have no idea about it ? Do you understand what is "self promotion bookstore " ?
And new angle ? am i the one to claim that dan brown ranks lower than you ?
Here's a suggestion;
Write a Hub about how good you are. How well you have ranked, how people can find the links to the "proof" etc, and stop bragging in the forums.
I've seen it too much myself. And I don't spend much time here.
That's what Hubs and profile pages are for.
If people care to find out for themselves, they will.
Dont give me these stupid suggestion please , would you suggest such a thing to Jesus?
So you're portraying yourself like jesus ? Dude i'm non-believer but never did insult of that great philosopher like this way. I hope you know when to stop self promotion like this.
So why is my work ranked next to Bibles, common sense , please apply it.
You ranked because of 1.5$ and not with content. You think people don't understand grammar and comprehension ? Besides your ranking is on "self-promotion bookstore", do you know what that is ?
Try getting it ranked on amazon before you boast about it.
Ranked 1 in under $5 over all the Bibles so I guess according to you the Bibles also have useless content.
Bible is in clear english and those who promote it have better english than those who are promoting "ponder awhile" am i right ?
Besides do you get idea that bible can rank high on amazon, but can your book rank high on amazon ? or you need help with "self-promotion book store" ?
Yes off course you are right I am an idiot ranked with Bibles and Bhagwat Gitas you are so smart.Only fools do such things intelligent ones like dont even dream of it.
LOL, do you day dream ? Do you understand rankings are for what ? they are sales. is it hard to understand for you that content wise you don't stand chance to bible, gita ?
with those 52 poems you compete with bible and gita ? don't make fun of those scriptures.
If my work was ranked over Bhagwat Gitas due to sales , which is not something to frown upon or mock in the first place you would hear about me in India as being one of the richest men in India.
That 51 and not 52 poems is the Caliber of my work.
You haven't even read my book and have come to this conclusion so wise of you to do so.
Other people who have read and then ranked my work cannot be as wise as you.
Man full of arrogance, self boasting and ignorance can show me better content in his books? if so i failed to see through that.
If I am ranked at 2 and say it what is wrong , It does mean the content is better simple.If you were to read first before coming to these conclusions it would be better. because you cannot does not mean I cannot.
Lol. You ranked where you know ?
"Self promotion Book store", right ? Stop boasting about it.
Oh and try Amazon ranking, that will make you more popular than jesus.
Its still a library ranking isn't it? Many have been simple and intelligent enough to say congratulations.
But I suppose its too difficult for you to appreciate another persons work.
You mean for "self promotion bookstore" ranking you'll give shrug-off looks to others in religious threads and boast about your ranking ?
Not good enough for you? I am sure you have authored many books yourself.If you want to learn about god ask questions this is just chop his head and grow tall nonsense for too long.
I did its on Franklin these rankings but you feel that sucks.You are more intelligent than me I am fool happy?
Not everyone here tries to mock me like you do try to understand that.
You did ? Nope. So again posting question for your comprehension revision.
You mean for "self promotion bookstore" ranking you'll give shrug-off looks to others in religious threads and boast about your ranking ?
IS It BAD TO BE RANKED OVER BIBLE ,QURANS AND BHAGWAT GITAS ON ANY LIBRARY ?
I HAVENT RANKED MY BOOK.
JUTS SAY YES OR NO AND LETS FINISH THIS OF ITS STRECHING TOO MUCH AND I AM SERIOUSLY GETTING SICK OF THIS BULLSHIT.
I'm not mocking. I'm inside dream of religious fantasy writer and trying to see what world he created and arrogantly replied to people in forums based on his perception.
You are not mocking so what are you doing? Ranked over the likes of the Bhagwat Gita on any library anywhere in the world is it correct to try and make fun of me?
First you cane up with grammar then dan brown then pricing then which library all of them were foolish.
Is this what you have been taught?
I answer people questions honestly and politely its me who gets the arrogant answer.There are people who who say you have too much patience we dont have the patience you do .
I have been taught to see through people, their anger, arrogance, despair,happiness and boasting. I'm debating without making personal remarks if you can read this whole thread. You on other hand made many personal remarks on many people. So who needs reality check ?
Answering you requires patience as its not intelligent at all.
Lol shall we talk one more round on intelligence ? Here we go:
1) Guy is making claim that his content is better than dan brown,bible and gita but he's promoting via "self promotion bookstore" and boasting his ranks is intelligent ?
2) Grammar and comprehension of one language in which author lacks but still managed to write book, is not admitting that he lack ,this is intelligence ?
If this is intelligence then we need to google about "cognitive dissonance".
Is it next to Bibles as in bull doodoo? Fables? Myths?
Oh, that's right, I forgot, you ARE JUST LIKE JESUS!! (In your deluded dreams).
What was I thinking.
I'm sure He would have bragged about His achievemnts, just like you (NOT!).
mohitmisra --
I have no desire to argue about your credentials. I just want an answer to a few questions. So far no one has offered any reasonable explanations so maybe you'd like to try.
If so, here's my 1st problem:
Whether you believe Adam & Eve and the Garden of Eden were real or the whole story is a metaphor, why didn't God just forgive them for their very first sin?
You know, why not give them a second chance before kicking them out of the Garden of Eden? (really or metaphorically)
Why not give them a "do over"?
3 three strikes instead of just one?
People give each other second chances all the time and we're equals. God is superior to humans so why not cut them some slack for their screw-up?
Thank you finally a question.
Its more of a metaphor India legend has Manu as being the first human.
We all still have the second chance its not taken away for good.
God exists in every human including you and its really totally up to you , you can go back home to god if you want to if you have some other desires you will materialize it .Home is referred to as the garden of eden or heaven , again metaphor
Your thoughts manifest, you are the creator.I am sure at times you have thought of something and it came to you in a later date,you created it.
"You can sit next to me in the kingdom of heaven" Jesus
I tell ye you are all gods"Jesus
The kingdom of god is within you, your real or inner or higher self is this Light or god, all is you.
"when we finally come to our senses we never return to this material world this painful playground we mistakenly call home" Krishna Bhagwat Gita
'Unto Allah is your return and he is able to do all things" Holy Quran
No one can take god away from you as god is within you .
The laughing Buddha symbolizes an enlightened one who has understood all is you, this is called the cosmic joke its all a game you are playing with yourself.
I was an atheist and then I found god ,the author of the masterpiece the Ramayana was a bandit who became a poet saint.
Hope you got your answer.
Is the story of Manu the same idea as that of Adam & Eve?
Did Manu have everything he could ever want then lose it because he did something wrong?
No its just the origin of mankind.Indian philosophy believes we come her on earth to fulfill our desires and it is hell in one aspect. Its a big school for our souls ,when we learn what we have come to we go back to heaven , our source.
Its a way of saying one has lost his god self or real self and can reclaim it.
I like that.
Thank you for your responses. They helped; or at least the Indian philosophy did!
By any chance do you practice Ayurveda?
You are welcome and its a pleasure you asked such an intelligent question , such a refreshing change from whats going on.
No knowledge of ayurveda, very poor knowledge about plants and their herbal benefits, why do you ask ? Do you practice it?
No, I don't really practice it. I don't know enough about it to use it properly, but I'm very interested in it.
In fact I'm interested in all alternative medicine. Ayurveda and Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) are my favorites but I also like reflexology, reike and others.
Nice I did a course in pranic healing but never focused on healing, I can pray and heal people.
Its a very vast subject and requires many years of dedication, not my path.
You are god send.
Thanks but I don't think anyone would agree that I'm a god send. Most people think I may have been sent from the other direction.
I don't know much about pranic healing but it's another subject I'd like to learn more about.
Did you study world religions on your own or did you attend classes on them too?
For me you are ,some other ask a question I answer them and then get called names because they cannot understand.
I was a Navigating Officer in the Merchant Navy and at the age of twenty four gained enlightenment in the middle of te Atlantic Ocean. Then I read a lot mystics and saints books from all religions didnt make a difference to me where it came from or what religion that person was.Knowledge is not restricted by religion or cast or creed.No formal or college education in religions,
Then at the age of thirty three I became a full time poet and spend the next five years working on and improving my books, it was a deep call my very purpose for being here on this planet.
Many great masterpieces but all of them are to complicated fro the common man to understand , needed to write my story with simplicity and clarity so a child could understand and and intelligent adult could contemplate upon.
What bought about your interest in spirituality?
I agree that "knowledge is not restricted by religion or cast or creed". I think many people are afraid to step outside their own religion to gain knowledge about another. That's kind of sad.
As for me, my interest in spirituality came as a result of several things. Different events in my life, disillusionment from the religious teachings I was raised with and just general curiosity.
True its sad , a true seeker or knower of god will not have an attachmnet to his or any particluar religion but will see the oneness in all.
Too many who dont know god behave like master and spread false knowledge.Sometimes painful events awakens one to the spirit as he or she can no longer fool themselves.Then kings who have it all have also gained enlightenment.Death of a close one is a good example.I know people who became spiritul after such an event.
I agree. Tragedy and trauma make you look at things differently.
As the saying goes, "There are no atheists in foxholes."
Ehhh, in the story, there is no record of Adam or Eve asking for forgiveness or a second chance. Plus, they were warned in advance what would happen.
I still think that Adam and Eve eating the forbidden fruit Was proof to God that The creation did in fact have free will.
The fact that they disobeyed meant that the free will was in fact working.
Had they never disobeyed how would they know that they had free will?
Yes, they knew they had their agency. However, the process of transgression was necessary not only to promulgate the process of mankind but also for them to truly know good from evil. There would be no discernment had they not known the sorrow of evil or their actions in taking the fruit. One of the important things to remember is that this was a transgression and not a sin. Big difference.
Still, according to the story, God could have given them a second chance even if they didn't ask for it and even if they knew what would happen.
Maybe I've heard a slightly different story than you or some others. This is the way I understand it: As punishment for disobeying God, Adam and Eve were thrown out of the Garden of Eden, women would suffer giving birth, men would have to provide for them by the sweat of their brow and death (instead of immortality) awaited everyone.
Based on that version, it sounds like God set up a sting operation then threw the book at Adam and Eve when they fell for it.
Under those circumstances, I don't see why God wouldn't say, "I'll tell you what. I sorta set you up to fail so maybe it wasn't all your fault. Let's pretend it never happened and start from the top."
Human beings have enough forgiveness in them to allow people second chances, so God must have enough forgiveness too. But he didn't use it, according to the story. That doesn't make sense to me.
Help?
But it's not a situation as we stumble. The plan to institute the human species was absolutely necessary for the eternal progression of man. It needed to happen. Also, Adam and Eve had to understand sorrow and the affects thereof. The Fall had to happen for all this to take place. Man had to be cut off from the presence of the Father in order to prove them. The Fall accomplished this as it literally hurled the Earth through the immensity of space. Man had to be brought into this fallen state in order to reach new heights. They were tempted to return to the garden but were prevented by the cherubim. They wept so and were brought into the pit of despair for what they had lost. Yet, it had to be.
So you're saying, Adam and Eve needed to disobey God to set everything in motion?
That sounds like God set them up and that would be cruel. That's like teaching kids that fire can be destructive and dangerous by throwing them into a flaming barbeque pit.
A bit drastic, to say the least.
God could have simply and painlessly instilled whatever knowledge he wanted in Adam and Eve. Or at least found a less drastic way to teach them about sorrow or anything else.
So why did he choose to make them suffer such dire consequences instead?
God does not cheat. He would never arbitrarily instill essential knowledge in a being that would be better served learned. This learned knowledge of knowing good and evil could have only come from transgressing the law proclaimed by the Father and the Son. It is all about agency, not setting them up. They were given the garden that provided all their needs for it was celestial. They were given the Tree of Knowledge with the commandment not to partake. However, they were given the agency to choose. They were faithful in this command. Satan beguiled Eve and essentially told her the truth but in a way that prompted her to disobey Father. He told her the plan. After taking the fruit she became aware that she would be separated from Adam for her disobedience. Because of this frustration Adam and Even knew that it must be in order for the work to go forth. So Adam partook as well. Drastic, yes! Necessary, absolutely!
I know it's easy to equate these events with our modern domestic relationships but it really is far from it and severely diminishes the magnitude of the purpose of the Fall.
Why were they made to suffer so? One needs to consider where they were. They were close to God not only in intelligence but also physically. In order to bring them to a status where they needed to be they had to be literally thrust down even so that it caused the shifting of the Earth itself. It's really not a choice of the Father for their suffering but rather their suffering is a product of their own actions which needed to be. Just imagine how important this plan had to be in order to literally move the Earth itself. We can scarcely comprehend.
Adam and Eve are to be commended for their actions and not condemned. Were it not so we would not even be here.
Okay, you lost me. Lemme backtrack to see if I have this correct.
1. God wanted Adam and Eve to disobey him so he could teach them about good and evil.
2. Adam and Eve figured out God's plan after Eve took a bite.
3. Adam then took a bite because he understood it was necessary for both to disobey God.
4. Adam and Eve were similar to God intellectually and physically.
5. We're supposed to commend Adam and Eve for disobeying God because otherwise we wouldn't exist.
Am I close?
If so, then Adam and Eve figured out the plan but intentionally kept going because that was part of the plan too. In other words, they felt they had no choice but to continue.
Then God kicked them out of the Garden for doing exactly what he wanted them to do. And he did it even though he knew that Adam and Eve only disobeyed him because they thought they had to in order to please him.
And as a side note, Adam and Eve were similar to God physically even though God is not a corporeal being.
Does that sum things up?
1) It's not a matter of wanting them to disobey but rather allowing them the time to be persuaded by Satan to disobey. A command is still a command but something had to give cause.
2) Not quite in that sense. They knew the plan before but were unaware of the implications of what was needed to start the plan. Keep in mind they knew only beauty and light. Never before had they been accustomed to temptation. It wasn't until sin entered the body that they then realized what was going to happen and what they needed to do.
3) Yes, but remember that not taking the fruit was not the first commandment. To multiply and replenish the Earth was the first commandment. Only when sin entered did they understand the only means by which this first commandment would be accomplished.
4) The Earth was near God and so Adam and Eve were literally in close proximity to Him. They had great intelligence yet were also as children not knowing evil.
5) Yes! Otherwise we would not even be here on our journey toward progression. We would still be in the realm of spirits unable to progress as our parents did.
6) Yes, absolutely the Father is a being of flesh and bone, perfected. He is every bit as real as our fathers and mothers here on Earth. He is perfected as He, Himself, went through His own journey and accomplished it. We are here to do the same.
Rudolf Steiner, in his Anthroposophical vision, says that in the future, humans in their final evolutionary form will be known through the Cosmos as the "Angels of Choice." - that in the Garden, we were so immersed in the Presence of the Almighty, that there was hardly a distinction between us and the Father.
It is, indeed, the capacity to make a choice, our Free Will, which makes us unique in the Kingdom, and makes us "in his own image."
Now we have the choice. We have the capacity to see Good and Evil, and to live our lives accordingly. It is up to us.
But human beings aren't perfect so of course they choose evil at times. (If they didn't they'd be perfect and only God is perfect.)
How many times are we allowed to do evil before we pay for it eternally?
And by making us imperfect, we're guaranteed to do evil so how fair is that in the first place?
But did he make us imperfect? Was it "God" who said we are not perfect, or was it man who saw himself lesser than perfection, and as such made that statement?
My own understanding of the Fall - the myth of Adam and Eve is similar to sublimed. The 'place' was Eden as this was our perception of our surroundings. Was it an actual geographical place or a space of consciousness? Hard to know these things. We were in an unfallen state prior to the eating of knowledge. We felt one with God but had no sense of being able to differentiate ourselves from this Union. At the fall we had the choice to see ourselves as perfect, or to not see ourselves as perfect. We made some not so good choices there! We were not kicked out, we kicked ourselves out by our choices.
I will agree to the basic frame of all your statements. In addition the place of Eden is an actual place. I, personally, have been there and have felt an undeniable spirit there that bore witness of the reality of it.
Been there as in physically? Or through astral spaces, ie inwardly? Which then addresses whether this place is a geographically physical location or currently metaphysical?
I have physically been there. The last time was about five years ago. It is the place that Adam shall come again prior to the Coming of the Messiah. In that valley shall gather the host of his chosen posterity to go forth for the final mission.
Did you take pictures? Lets see. Not that I'm not believing you here but I am wondering why it's not a tourist destination via American Airlines?
It is because our faith has been persecuted for generations and has only been taken seriously for about the past few decades. Yes, anyone can go there. In fact, sometime I would love to either take you there or meet you there. It is called Adam-Ondi-Ahman or the place where "Adam dwelt with God". The point is located in northwest Missouri out in the boonies. It's easy to miss but is absolutely serene once in.
OK, if you could possibly get the longitude and latitude co-ordinates so I can find it on google maps, I'll investigate and may even meet you there.
I don't know about longitude and latitude but it is located roughly ten miles north/northwest of Gallatin, Missouri. There are no buildings and no spectacular edifices. The grounds are kept superb and it is a place for pondering and reflection. I love it every time I go there.
Hmmmmm! I tend my garden and it can look like Eden also. But I don't call it the Garden of Eden. There are many places on earth that take ones breath away. Many times you hear the term "God's own playground" when someone has an experience with the land they are visiting.
I'm doing well Cags. Glad things have quietened down here. I don't enjoy those massive dumpings from India. Very toxic what comes down through cyber space.
Hay Jewels.. Long time since my last hay at ya.
I remember getting kicked out of my mom and dads house once.
Actually; I left cause I didn't want to do what they wanted me to. Maybe Adam and eve got kicked out kinda like that.
Nobody pushed me down the road or shut the door. And the door was still open when I came back.
Hay back at ya Jerami. Not sure on the being kicked out thing at all. If they made choices not to see themselves as perfect, did they then walk around trying to find the perfection in themselves. Probably gobsmacked because they were no longer in the warm bossom of God. Imagine the shock.
I was compairing my getting kicked out to realy being my leaving. I can see the story of Adam and Eve being something between leaving on free will and being kicked out.
The either or thing and maybe neither??? And I still don't know how this would realy change the moral to the story?
There seems to be an assumption that to "do evil" will result in punishment via damnation. I would suggest that this may not be the case, at least not as preached in Christian Churches around the world.
There are allusions in the Bible to reincarnation, and teachings on the subject in numerous other religions and spiritual groups. All of them indicate more than one lifetime, sometimes hundreds or more, for each individual to "get it right."
Look at the word "sin." In Latin it means "without." So an "act of sin" is an "act without." Without what? God? Awareness? Love? (some may say these are all the same thing).
With this in mind, one can see that most of us Live In Sin most of the time. Moment by moment without awareness of God's Love. This puts the concept of Original Sin in different light. And one may consider that if we choose to live without God's Love (by not choosing), we are already paying for it.
But if we choose to live without sin, or with Awareness of God's Love, moment by moment, day by day ...
He has admitted he doesn't know god.Only one who has died becomes the Light and comes back is a real knower of god.
Many have a good connection but they lack the knowledge which can be gained only though experience.
He will not be able to answer this question properly.Many so called preachers who haven't crossed over , they repeat what other masters have said but lack the experience themselves, dont have the real knowledge.
Regarding Adam and Eve and second chances, that's where themes like repentance and salvation come in. God does not withhold second chances from people who want them. Now, in the grand scheme of things, Christianity teaches that in fact, Jesus' death and resurrection is the big "do-over."
But God never set us up to fail. You act as if "don't eat that," is really all that complicated and difficult a rule.
It's not a matter of being difficult or complicated. It's a matter of a punishment being too severe for a first offense; a one and only offense.
No one gets a do-over except the original participants. And they didn't get one, whether they asked for one or not.
Besides, the connection between sacrificing your godly son and the sins of Mankind is a whole separate can of worms.
mohit,
Franklin.com is NOT a Library.
Libraries do not sell books.
Bookstores sell books.
Franklin.com doesn't even sell books, it sells e-books.
You can sort their "ranking" by popularity/low price/ high price/ title.
Popularity is sales. It is sales of your $1.50 self-published/ self-promoted e-book on Franklin.com only, which is why you are not rich.
If you can show us where the "librarians" of Franklin.com state how they rank the books based on content (somehow without bothering to write a review), please do so. I imagine that most of us will get off your back.
If you cannot do this, and continue to brag about your "library ranking," understand this clearly - you are living in a fantasy world.
Yup whatever you say my work is crap and this books stores rankings are crap as well.Been ranked by other bookstores as well but then that must be crap as well.
You really think my book in a few years sells as much as the Bibles?
Been called the Shakespeare from Pune in the Indian papers and radio as well, all crap.Saints from all communities have acknowledged and praised my work so many have said its the best book they ever read, all crap.
English professors and mystics have said no one can write like this , all crap.
I repeat. You are living in a fantasy world.
I did not say that your book "in a few years sells as much as the Bibles."
I did not say anything about your proponents.
I did not say anything about other book stores.
At least you are calling it a book store, now, and not a library.
I would still like you to show us that the "rankings" (by popularity) mean something other than sales.
But you said its getting as many sales and that's the reason its ranked with the Bibles, make up your mind.Have you read my book, obviously not.
I would be very rich if it were sales I am not.
No. I said that is was getting as many sales (in e-book format) on Franklin.com, and that you were selling it for only $1.50, which is another reason that you are not getting rich.
I think I see something, now, though. You must not be making many sales to think that it is content that your book is being ranked on. This must mean that people are not buying the Bible in e-book format, either, which makes sense. I'd rather read it in print. It is available free in electronic form, anyway. Who who would pay $39.95 for something that you can get for free? I suppose it is still more people than pay $1.50 for your book.
I did notice, too, that the most "popular" book on Franklin.com is "1936 Supreme Court Decisions and Cases" (ranked above you). I think this also indicates how many books are being sold at Franklin.com.
I have not read your book. I have read the poetry you've posted on this thread as "proof" of your enlightenment.
Based on this experience, I will not read your book.
Its not about getting rich its about spreading god knowledge. If it was about money I would never dedicate so many years of my life to poetry.
Your ego prevents you from gaining knowledge.
I for one never called the published work "CRAP!".
I have never bought nor read it. (nor do I intend to. BTW.)
My only ever contention has been the constant boasting
"I am ranked this or that..."
WHO GIVES A TOSS???
I'm glad about your "success" Mohit, but "put a sock in it!"...PLEASE.
There is a proverb (in the Bible of course) that says "do not let your praise come out of your own mouth."
Humulity lets OTHERS praise them for whatever accomplishments are deserving.
You ask a question I answer you after that you abuse me I will show you my rankings and if you have any brains you will shut up.
If you truely are glad dont join these people who are intent on mocking me.
I have supported you when no one else on this forum did, because you spoke the truth, many were against you and I stood by you, didn't give a damn about the consequences .
That was a TOTALY IRRELEVANT response.
I did not ask a question, and I do not mock you.
I simply challenge your PRIDE!
It is the truth what pride, my work is ranked at 2 , its has taken years of effort and a lot of sacrifice on my path.
I answer someones question get abused by some for doing so I and I am supposed to have foolish pride, wake up.
You have never defended yourself ? yes you have many , many times and you dont have the qualifications I do.
You know I have knowledge of the beyond.
For someone so much more intelligent and with so much more knowledge, you still don't get it.
Bragging about your achievement is what I spoke about. THAT'S IT.
UM....STOP BRAGGING
I guess yelling still won't get the message accross.
Oh well, I guess you have no need to learn any more(either).
Give me one reason why I shouldn't speak the truth.If you became a poet and got ranked with Bibles how could I tell you not to say it when someones ridicules you or your answer.
Jesus repeated he is the son of god , was he bragging or was he speaking the truth.
VERY poor comparison.
This statement speaks of WHO He is, NOT His accomplishments.
He healed numerous sick people, never once did He brag about it.
"Hey everyone. I healed 15 people today"
"Oh, I raised two from the dead too"..Jesus
Ludicrous. Stupid!
I have healed people with brain tumors and this is the first time I am telling you about it.Dont even mention these things.
You are ludicrous and stupid for giving me attitude.
Muslim philosophy regards the prophets in two categories the one who writes being the higher.
You know you can learn from me so why the attitude?
You may now have your moment of glory. Good night.
I never put up my rankings for Sara because she didnt abuse me when I replied.
True you know very little about me and what I have done.My book rankings are public knowledge and I am here to awaken people like you.
Many come to me when no doctors or amount of money works, everyone is not blind and they understand what an enlightened one or god man means.They know the meaning of a poet, live in India where poetry originates and a place which has seen many poet saints.Masterpiees like the Bhagwat Gita , Ramayana, Guru Granth Sahib are poetry possible and written by the saints.
You cure Swine flu with pranic healing sir ? Or better AIDS with pranic healing ? I can go on and on. You're enlightened
You have no idea what an enlightened one can do.I dont use pranic healing.Which school did you go to In India?
Did they teach you to mock spiritual poets in your education?
I never studied from Deluded religious school which teaches people to lie and boast about their own stuff.
And you don't use pranic healing anymore ? so what was that reply earlier about pranic healing ?
I studied in Cathedral ad John Connon a 150 years old British school considered the best school in India.After showing you proof you still call me a liar, not a very good education.
Read properly
Proof ? Yeah sure, try curing swine flu with all your enlightened powers or mutant powers. God knowledge,right ?
Who are you to tell me what to do? NO ONE.
Yes how can some one ranked over the Bhagwat Git have any god knowledge?
Did you go to school?
Di you notice I juts answered Saras question and she appreciated it, you didnt have the answer I did.
Similarly I have answered many people questions
Relax you can say NO if powers are not charged yet. I just asked can you do it ? Either yes or no will work. I mean just imagine with such enlightenment we can cure many people. We can go ahead and cure AIDS as well, whole red light areas in asia will be cleared with help of this power, isn't it ? Think constructive, power comes with responsibility right or with false pride ?
Not interested, I help these who come to me and request me, don't want to interfere otherwise, life is in perfection.
My responsibility is to spread god knowledge and to unite the religions, think again if you believe it is an easy task.
Not interested ? I thought "load-shedding in spiritual energy department". India lacks a lot in "commercial-energy supply"ya know, maybe that is what happened in this case.
By the way, how come enlightened one knows about perfection ? Random guess?
Do what you have to and I will do what I have to simple, yes I am not interested.You know nothing about spirituality, so you think wrongly all the time.
Out of my two best friends oneis the biggest power plant manufacturer in India and one of the biggest in the world, talk to him about commercial energy, not me.Th other is a heart surgeon in the USA talk to him about medicinal cures.
If I answer your question will you stop this crap?
I have better things to do , there are many serious seekers and I rather spend my time with them.
Yes answer three Enlightened questions for me:
1. Is free will part of god's known set of results for humans action ?
2. Can i change time if i get god knowledge ? can god allow me to change time ?
3. What people are supposed to do with god knowledge ?
Answer these and we'll be back on topic.
And serious seeker you say ? yeah i know in our india many people wil buy that you are ranked above dan brown, i know many will
If I answer will you apologies for your rudeness till now?
I am seriously sick and tired of you.
I have had many newspaper articles in which my rankings are mentioned, everyone cannot be so blind as you., its the simple truth.
First answer me did you have the answer to Saras question? what is your answer?
Apologies ? For what ? Your personal attacks to me ? You mocked me all time by asking me my qualification, school and all. And i'm just debating about your boasting of ranking which is not personal attack, i'm not in a way personal. Still you're sick with me ?
Are you going to say very sorry I will never ever abuse a spiritual poet in my life again?
My work is ranked who are you to tell me not to mention it?
Its not a personal attack? what is it then? cant you just say congratulations, that would be the normal thing to do.
Very honest I am seriously sick of you.
if you keep on self promote here and make personal attack on people based on your dreamland stories,then we'll report you for sure. So it is wrong on your side not mine or anyone else.
Its the truth simple try and comprehend and accept it, bye have had enough of you.Do what you have to., not scared of your threats.
Can't believe this is still going on !!
Rankings, rankings, rankings.... that's all there is in Mohit's life.
And then he thinks he's on the same level as Jesus !
Give me a break!
When is this nonsense going to stop ?!
I really think he needs help
It started when he first came here. Did you think he would actually stop
Two things we can't stop, piracy and self-promotion
Easy task ? Dude, can you heal person with swine flu with your god knowledge, yes or no will do.
How ironic, with poor comprehension skills and grammar person can ask another person if he went to school or not ?
And you want to dig ranking again ?
Thanks for the interesting discussion, mohitmisra. I appreciate it.
I need some sleep now! Take care, please.
Thank you Sara, take care yourself, good night.
I have just posted pics of the Irish Stew I have just made.....now if you would like some send a self addressed envelope to Ireland
Well interesting stuff is when sir Mo, talks about his content close to bible=D
Anyway, tired of mobbing floor with him. Not even worth it.
It's a lost case !
He's been doing it for more than 2 years, and haven't learned the lesson.
Everybody's laughing, and he can't see.
Everybody gets bored of explaining to him,and he still can't see.
As I always say: Arrogance and pride,blinds people.
Imagine after all that time ! He must be completely blind !!
mohit,
you are awakening no one here in the category you created of "people like you."
you wonder why people mock you when you boast of your meaningless rankings and compare yourself to jesus. this will never end. these "people" see through you. you have given them nothing to change their mind.
try to stop proving you are enlightened, and try to be more enlightening. then you may find some results.
p.s. you still haven't answered my question.
So how am I able to answer question which no one else can ?
Have you read my book ?
I am enlightened like Jesus whether you like it or not.
These people have no idea what god or enlightenment is , what will they see through?
I have written a masterpiece the likes this planet has or will not see.
All of you who mock me and feel superior, if you get together and write a better poem on religion I will say I am a fake. You can take 5 to 10 years no problem .
My challenge to you was to prove that the popularity ranking on Franklin.com was something other than a sales ranking for sales made on Franklin.com. I can't put it any clearer than that for you and if you don't understand what I'm saying, maybe you should audit some of those courses you took at the "Oxford of India."
I think I made it perfectly clear that I have no intention of reading your book. If you could be more enlightening in these forums, instead of a braggart, perhaps I would consider it.
Umm, no I don't think so. When I meditate on Christ, I feel uplifted, light, full of Love and care-free. When I tune into you, I feel slightly nauseous and headache-y.
Probably because so few are buying it.
Okay. So who is going to judge the poetry?
I write poetry.
I say mine is better than yours.
Let's decide on who the judges will be, and you submit your best poem, and I'll submit mine.
I would love the opportunity to hear you say that you are a fake.
I'm ready in 5 or 10 minutes, I don't want to wait 5 or 10 years.
So go ahead and post your piece on Religions.If you show me a better piece I will leave this forum immediately.
You should be the poet and not me since you claim to be a better poet, braggart ha
Poetry started with the Holy Vedas in India a spiritual masterpiece, the medium used by the enlightened one to spread god knowledge gain enlightenment first then become a poet if that's your call.
Poets are the prophets , the messengers of god.
Thats what this is about I am better than you even though you are ranked next to Bibles, ego problem.
Put your work up lets see who ranks your work next to Bibles.
My work is ranked at 1 in under $5 over the Bibles .
Ranked 10 Inspirational and Religious poetry books on Best Book Buys,was even ranked at 1.
So clearly many see merit in my poetry which you have failed to do braggart.
So you refuse to read but have already made your decision, not very intelligent on your path.
I find it quite interesting that, after I say just once, that I think my poetry is better than yours, you call me a braggart and mention your ranking twice.
This is not about my ego. My path is not poetry. This is about trying to show you that what you do is not so special, after all.
But you (again) fail to understand the meaning of my post. Your general lack of comprehension and your paltry arrogance make me sad for you.
But then there would be no need for any discussion. And I LIKE discussions, as you already know!
I'm just trying to understand things from all points of view. That's the best way I know of to arrive at the truth -- if the truth is actually known by anyone...
Okie-doke, but this could take a while so you might want to order a pizza or something.
Yep. And better make it an extra-large. Or bigger if possible.
Pepperoni, onions, olives, green peppers and hot peppers should do it.
Tell the driver I'm in Ohio, USA. I'll leave a light on for him.
Oh, wait?
GOD forgot to tell himself, what he already knew about fairness.
Why do the religious feel the need to protect Gods word? I don't ask anyone to protect my words and I am only a human. Is God weaker than a human for being dependent on humans to protect his word?
Right now, I'm simply sitting on the sideline, letting Sara Tonyn deal with goldenpath. Sara Tonyn was to have a simple discussion about the beginning stage of humankind and to see if it can be brought about to an agreeable understanding.
I personally think it's a long shot. But, I sent Sara Pizza, which should be delivered shortly.
I hope it is some infinite pizza to go along with some infinite coffee to go along with the infinite discussion between faith and logic. If most of religious knew honesty, I don't think it would require so much faith to believe them.
I'd like to thank Sara Tonyn for her inquiries. She asked question and I answered as I will continue to do for anyone. It is good to see someone asking very good and valid questions. As she said before - only through gaining all points of view will she be able to acquire the truths that she feels right for her. It is good to see someone putting forth the effort to learn a different point of view. I thank you for allowing me the opportunity to express my thoughts and beliefs.
You don't seriously think Sara is done with you yet?
I sincerely hope not, but if so that's fine. It is just refreshing to have a good dialogue. Productive dialogues are far and few between in these forums but are nice when they happen.
I really hope you are all enjoying your pizza. I am brewing up my mug of cocoa right now while putting together my sermon for next Sunday and flipping back and forth to this discussion. It's keeping me on my toes switching gears.
I had a ph call and had to go out on business.
Been reading most of the posts since I left.
I've Gotta agree with Golden path on those post that I read all of.
I've just got one thing to add...... Where do you supose the Garden was? And was it really punishment "Kicking" them out or was it their origional wish to leave?
I do not believe the garden was in Africa as is often the common belief. I believe the area to be on the North American continent. It's actually difficult to imagine. At the time all land was together. It wasn't until the days of Peleg that the lands were divided.
On the other point. The adored the Garden. It was home to them and was the place they actually walked with God. I sincerely doubt they wanted to leave. At the same time "punishment" might be a little harsh for a term to use. I prefer to see it as the condition created upon their transgression. The act created the condition upon which it was physically and spiritually impossible for them to tarry in the Garden, a perfect and celestial place.
There is much possibility in considering the Fall of Adam and Eve with the age of the Earth that scientists claim. It's not doctrine but I have a theory. It's as I've said before. I strive to always connect science and religion and believe that they do and must go hand in hand eventually.
Garden of Eden is a metaphor for paradise or heaven .
This I agree with productive dialogues seem rare now days with the amount of idiots who have joined this forum.
I studied religion for a long, long time and I learned what there was to learn. I even put the doctrines to work in my life. Then, it became obvious, those who unknowingly perpetuate the hoax of religion, never use logic in their argument.
Those who do try to use logic, skip certain details, so as to understand a meaning, for which, was not intended to begin with.
Interesting, huh?
Yes and when they skip those details, they fill in the blanks with faith for not being able to give a logical explanation to justify belief.
Just an Idea that I am now "Thinking out loud".
I was thinking that the Garden might have been a metaphor for HEAVEN. Heaven could possibly be a diffrent dimension sharing out space time continuum. It could be a possibility that they expressed their free will choosing life in this realm. The only way for us to regain entrance into the Heaven (Garden) realm is when we exit the flesh.
The way I see this, it would not necessarily be a contradiction of the overall theme as written in Genesis.
But I have been wrong before.
I'm going to think about this some more.
Valid point, my friend. Although I respectfully differ I don't discount the idea.
True being physically so close to the abode of God it was almost like heaven itself. After all, it was patterned after our home with the Father. Also, the Earth itself is due and will be celestialized eventually. That is when it will physically be brought back near the abode of God. Again, worthiness. The Earth and it's inhabitants at that future time will be worthy to be within the realm of the governing bodies of God.
I agree with you that science and Faith can and should be seen as the same or at least be seen as functioning parts of the same thing.
Why do people tend to separate everything "either or"
I will have to do a lot of thinking concerning my previous post. I may totally reject this idea tomorrow but today it feels like it may be a good metaphor.
That's the beauty of it! You are at least open to other points of view and not closed off. That's the path of knowledge and it's good to see.
"either or"
I have my doctrines and they are firm. However, I do not trust them blindly. I believe certain foundational scientific facts and strive to support my beliefs with them. Those beliefs of mine that are not, as of yet, adopted as revelation or doctrine in my denomination I strive to at least formulate a scientific theory to support those beliefs as I have about the age of the Earth.
There are many who are religious but are so set in wanting to be "right" that they make themselves immoveable to even tolerance of other views. At the same time the other side is exactly the same. They all want so bad to be "right" that they make themselves prisoners to the cage of pride that they cannot see beyond those walls which are nothing more than walls of mirrors on the inside.
You are correct Jerami it is a metaphor for Heaven.
One of my favorites that very much applies to these days is the parable of the ten virgins. NO SEXUAL REFERENCE INTENDED!
It deals with being prepared temporally and spiritually. Those who are not will be left without.
I do not claim to "KNOW" very much even though I am not
"scared" to express what I think.
I "Think" that I see what he was talking about with the parables that I am familiar with
I've had experiences of the Fields of Peace which in Christian terms is Heaven. Though it's not a place I can get a plane ticket for.
May I jump in and post a reply?
Just a few short remarks,
Yes the Garden of Eden was a real place, there are clues in the Bible that tell of its location. However, after the flood things changed.
Yes, I will admit that I am sure of Heaven. That I am sure the Bible is true and that God is real.
I am working on more detailed explanations as to why I am so sure, but, that is a Hub that’s in my heart and not written down yet.
Peace be with you all. BL
I am a Christian. You are right to say that we don't know for sure where we're going after life. Here's what I say in response:
1) I do know know WHERE I am going after life, but I do know TO WHOM I am going. I am going to be with the Holy Triune God. From the Bible, I know that this is going to be in "the Kingdom of God." However, Scripture is not clear on the exact location of this place (in Heaven or established on Earth).
2) The afterlife is not the point of being a Christian. Believing in the death and resurrection of Christ is not a "ticket to heaven" like one might think of a train ticket or bus pass. Instead, it is an invitation to a new life. It is freedom from the things that once bound or controlled us (like bitterness or hatred for example.) 2 Corinthians 5:17 says "Anywone who is in Christ is a new Creation." Being a Christian is about living in a relationship with God now -- loving God and loving other people.
So really, WHERE I end up is not of that great of importance. I know it will be with Christ. Right now, I am to live out the life that Jesus embodied.
- The Learner
Well, although I am a minister we have no paid clergy in the Church. It is late and I do work at a job for a living as well. It has been a grand evening. I've had some great discussions. I look forward to continuing tomorrow or whenever. If you want more indepth discussion shoot me a message and I would be more than happy to continue.
Jewels - let's consider it a date! Bring a friend if you'd like.
Of course. I completely admit it and I completely agree. It is a mystery that is impossible to know just as it is impossible to know what God is. It is all a mystery. Naming things and creating stories are peoples way to comfort him(her)self to the uncertainty of not knowing the unknowable.
Sorry! Didn't mean to abandon the discussion but sometimes real life calls!
I'll try to catch up then pick up from there.
Just to let you know, goldenpath left. Had to sleep and go to work.
Yes, I just saw that. Maybe he can jump in again at a later time. There are lots of questions I have for him but I'll save them and move on with who is here now.
I mean, in addition to you!
And I want to thank you for letting the discussion go on. You've been quite a gentleman! So thank you, Cags!
It's really amazing how we've all avoided creating a war zone even though there is clearly a lot of disagreement.
Hello to Jerami, Jewels, BL Tween, The Learner, and anyone else who I missed. I hope all or at least some of you are still hanging around.
If so, it seems like there's a no single definition of the Garden of Eden. So far people have called it a real place on Earth, a metaphor (possibly for Heaven) and possibly a place in another dimension. (FYI, Last I read physicists think there may be at least 10 or 11 dimensions so there's plenty of real estate available! )
Whatever and wherever it may be I wonder if the rest of us will ever experience it.
It's certainly my intention to give it a nudge in this life. The more I can clear out what doesn't serve me, the closer I can get to 'heaven' in my own state of being, or the closer I get to my higher self.
Do you think you the Garden of Eden is still on Earth? Or ever was?
What I think here is conjecture as what I've experienced was not of the earth as it is now. I personally don't believe the Fields of Peace (Heaven) is in the same physical realm or dimension as this. I understand that it's required that we collectively would have to raise our consciousness in order to have "Heaven on Earth." It's not that difficult to do practices that raise your level of consciousness to experience the sweetness of 'heaven', or more unfallen realms. You could say I've 'crossed over' if that's the term that's popular at the moment to be able to describe such experiences! I'd prefer to describe some peoples experiences as flarings, when veils or shields are lifted so they can get a glimps. These flarings can be one offs. Others are able to have these experiences at Will. Some have difficulties and require discipline and practice. The later is the most common.
There is no doubt however, that you can create your own heaven or Eden without death. It requires shedding allot of conditioning and a balanced centered state of mind. This is something not easy to attain.
You say you are enlightened its fine but if I say it its becomes wrong ?
I think you are still very confused as to what enlightenment is.
You need to practice because if you were in a god conscious state you would never try to mock me.Met enlightened ones who have only given me love and respect ,I gave it back gladly.
Death is the door to god, your philosophy is incorrect, you dont now what the garden of eden , heaven or enlightenment is.Stop lying to yourself and everyone else, its bad karma to spread false knowledge.
Its is inevitable all will experience it.Its your home , only you stop yourself from going back home and no one else.
When do I see, meet god?
Whenever you really decide to ,
when you want nothing.
@EWS
I don't find the possibilities of either an afterlife exists or it doesn't as scary either way.
Because...
1 If God exists, which I believe God does, then I believe that God is very smart and has a plan. I respect that and trust that. That trust(faith) gives me comfort.
2 If there is nothing after this life, in your words we live until 70 or 90 then that's just it...
well then there would be no memory of ever having existed, so no regret, no pain, no suffering, no geez I wish that... Just nothing, something akin to turning off a robot. Time would not pass, and I would not be a dis-embodied consciousness floating in nothingness for all time...
My Humble Opinion.
I'm quite religious...though spiritual is maybe a better word. I have absolutely no idea what will happen when I die - except that life here will continue just as it always has. It's cool, the key to death is acceptance I think.
Thank you for being honest, very much appreciated.Hope more were like you.
mohitmisra, I have never said I was enlightened. That is what you say you are. You need to go back to your center grasshopper and stop talking nonesense. You seem very confused as to who is what, who knows what, and who loves who and who does not. I think that almost rhymed. Is that poetry?
Death of Self leads to an enlightened state. You certainly have not had that experience, otherwise you'd not be having so much trouble on this forum. Back to center grasshopper.
You said you have been to heaven? what else does that mean. Also stop guiding people wrongly.You need to find your center be truthful to yourself.
Ask your master what poetry is ,he writes.The masters understand some apprentices like you do not.
Allot of people have had the experience you have mohitmisra. It's not that uncommon. When a person learns to see and hold the connection of high presences, one then sees that 'heaven' is only one realm of a myriad of realms in nonphysical worlds.
If you knew how to travel in non physical realms you would know that your heaven is not the limit of human consciousness. Are you familiar with cosmology?
I never said I am the first enlightened one on this planet.Its not that common you mean?
Heaven is god -enlightenment , you say you have seen heaven and yet you are not enlightened this is wrong.
Then you say death is not needed, again this is wrong.
No, I said to have the experience of "heaven" as in that place where people say they go to at death, is not an uncommon experience. And I mean for the living, not the dead. Many spiritual seekers (who don't profess to being enlightened) have been able to experience it.
And there is death and there is death. You can have death as in your heart stops beating and you leave the earth permanently. And there is death of your lower self. That's a different death and is more akin to spiritual practices. Many ways of having experiences of this light you speak of. It's not common enmass, but to spiritual seekers it's not uncommon. Nowhere did I mention that you say you were the first enlightened man. I'm not sure why you are saying that? Nevermind, it's quite irrelevant.
What we get in the package of enlightenment ?
- Peace of mind ?
- Relaxation ?
- Answers from source or assumption by assuming source ?
- Knowledge about what ? Salvation ?
- What are we supposed to do with enlightenment ? charity or increase our own adsense clicks ?
Enlightened ones should not earn a living?
Knowledge is liberation.
"A person who doesn't have self knowledge is a slave " Gurdijeff
They need to ?Lol. I mean they got enlightenment to live without bonds, money, society, relationship,knowledge of universe. They're one with god and they need materialistic things or care for survival ? *cough*
Have you heard of Krishna ? Yes enlightened ones need to eat as well.Read some good spiritual books to gain a better understanding.
Lol, think rational before you preach spirituality. If you're enlighten then you're with god or what they call source. You're lonely and separated from rest of us. Loneliness is only removed with help of death as they say. Death is the only way towards god as source(god). And you say people need to eat even after their enlightenment ? How rational isn't it ?
Besides how you deal with loneliness if you're enlightened ?
First read my book before yapping so much.Read some good spiritual books .Do you think enlightened ones don't eat,? Whats your age , this is really ridiculous and childish.
Have nice debates with many here on this forum, cannot do that with you as you have no knowledge.
And you're back with personal attack for my questions ?
Do i need to read your 1.5$ book to know about spirituality ? Stop kidding to me. I don't make personal remarks that makes me more knowledgeable on debates than you. And about advice on reading spiritual books? dude, read about "ramkrishna paramhans, that person shows you proof that enlightenment (aka spiritual hallucination) can keep a person without eating. You need to study your spiritual books again or continue preaching sales.
I like your style you start to make personal remarks when you have no answer to questions. Your pattern of debate is predictable. You either preach your own stuff if it fails you start to make personal remarks or give advice about books and all. Is that all you've got ?
You can but the copy for1,156 USD if that is what make the difference to you.
Lol, have you gone through "ramkrishna paramhansa" Mr Prophet ? Heard about him how he survived without food/water for days ? How he achieved that hallucinatory state(aka trance state) ? Go figure...You're here for preaching your book and you know rat's a-- about spirituality.
I have gone without food for 5 days quite often while writing.
The Buddha would beg for food in the evening along with his disciples.
Rama would hunt in the forest for his food.
Off course I have read about Ramakrishna Paramhansa.
He would often have visions of the divine mother but he gained true realization of the formless after one ascetic taught him , forgot the sages name.
He told him to focus in between his eyebrows and was shocked as Ramakrishna went int samadhi quite fast, the sage told him it took me some 25 years and you did it in one day.
Who said he never ate any food?
He would also try to the practice of different religions, Muslims, Christians and Hindus and cane to the realization there is only one god the same for all religions.
Have you heard of Paramhansa penchants for mangoes and other saints like Telangi Maharaj sage of Benares loving laddus and pedas or sweets.
Have you heard of Jesus sharing his bread.
I gained enlightenment while eating very well in the Merchant navy and it was non veg food .
Paramahansa Yoganandas penchants for mangoes?
You forgot the sage name ? Oh my, you're top ranked prophet forgot about the sage ? And you preach spirituality ?
And King ram was spiritualist ? Where in history of india it is written that ram was spiritualist ?
Ah so now I forget one sages name so i know nothing, do you realise you are very desperately trying to crucify me?
Rama was a prophet a Vishnu Avatar, you really have very little knowledge dont you.
Threre many saints and sages I have yet to hear about , this must be a great chance for you to feel superior by mocking me, go ahead. be happy.
here we go again, ram was a king and not at all prophet. You have no knowledge of history, and you start to make personal remarks? wow.
go check wikipedia for simple information on king ram
besides who wants to crucify you ? you want us to insult crucification process ? Besides you proved my point that enlightened one go without food and they have no materialistic needs other than food which just keeps them alive. But we have some wanna-be prophets here who make personal remarks and advice others about knowledge and books who have their materialistic needs like adsense earnings and ranking on bookstore isn't it ?
How that wanna-be prophets gets happy by advising others about knowledge and ranking ?
Rama is a Vishnu Avatar like Krishna and Buddha.
Dont need to look up anything, its common knowledge.
Have you never heard the mantra Hare Krishna Hare Rama?
When did I every say enlightened ones go without food?
You got a serious problem.
They have no attachments , that is something different altogether.
Rama and Krishna were enlightened kings.
I like Oshos philosophy here he tells his disciples to earn money and live well.
He also said rarest amongst the enlightened ones is the poet.
You are still trying to crucify me.
read some of my hubs first, that will be a good start.
1) Ram was king according to the text ramayana, he was treated as avatar hindu BY People. Nowhere in indian history it is written as Prophet. Are you reading zakir naik jokes to say that ram was prophet ?
2) Lol, what you think about mantra has nothing to do with his story. People made king ram as vishnu avatar and like you are related it with prophets.
3) You showed in your own posts that enlightened ones go without food by giving your example and you're covering it up with posts like budha asked bhiksha and all. You've serious problem of forgetting your own posts and words and making iot contradictory.
4) Now you're talking contradictory. In one statement earlier in your post you say they were avatars and on another post you say they were enlightened kings ? Do lord needs to be enlightened ?Think before you post.
5) And osho ? Don't get me started about his philosophy, that guy used to preach that he was time traveler among multiple universes, you think sane people buy quacks of that osho ? Osho was the one of spiritualist who made people use materialistic world to bend in favor of his hallucination techniques aka enlightenment.
6) I'm not trying to crucify you, that's really sad day for that cruciate if anyone wishes to do that.
Rama
http://hinduism.about.com/od/godsgoddesses/p/rama.htm
http://www.economicexpert.com/a/Avatar.htm
http://www.thehindu.com/2009/06/24/stor … 651400.htm
http://www.indiayogi.com/content/indgods/rama.aspx
can put up many more links
Does someone say hare skyfire?
why cannot an enlightened king be an Avatar ?
you try thinking before posting.
Osho is a master an enlightened one and had superb knowledge he was a philosophy professor as well.
Whether you like it or not his books are very highly ranked in philosophy and spirituality and he has thousands if not lakhs of followers.
So lets just have an intelligent debate without you trying to find some reason to mock me be it grammar,or the bookstore or pricing or the adsense click
1) No matter how many links you give it will only contradict you. Ram is NOT prophet, you may try to show it as avatar which according to theist makes more sense. Prophets are NOT lords. You're trying to show god as enlightened one ?Why he needs to be as enlightened as it begins from him,isn't it ?Think before you write, that's why i always point your comprehension and grammar skills. if ram is god then he needs enlightenment ?
2) Why anyone should say hare skyfire ? Am i going to be prophet like you Mohit ? If you want me to be then sorry no chance i'm happy being a skeptical not prophet
3) Osho was enlightened one ? Yeah sure enjoying gangbang and all intercourse chapters in the name of being free in the name of spirituality and enlightenment is accepted ? That's why i said that guy bend the materialistic principles in favor of spirituality.
That debate was already there i dragged you from that many times ON-topic. You finally came back to topic, welcome.
Take a look at my hubs there is a poem I have written called Religions tell ,me honestly if you have read a better piece .
You say you have good grammar fine try writing on religions , then you will understand how difficult it is to condense a religion in two lines.
Poetry is the mots condensed and highest form of philosophy.
So try it, took me years to put this poem together required a lot of meditation and contemplation.
If you write a better poem I will say I am a fake. Should be easy for you with your grammar,not asking for an entire book.
Stop being rude this is not the first time you have stuck your tongue out ,will stop replying if you keep this up.
People into religion are your lab rats so why hang out here on this forum?
Why is my question. Why do i need to write poetry on religion to know about your position,views. Spirituality can be understood without writing poetry,isn't it ?
You'll be treated like fake if you shout like this. You don't have to prove anything with comparison to ME.
Me and many people here can write better poetry than you But that doesn't discard you as FAKE. Think rational before getting upset on others and giving frustrated replies. Accept gaps in knowledge, i do and i expect the same from you.
Isn't this obvious ? Where am i supposed to know people if not on Forum ?
Already gave up before starting ?
Or you tried thinking but couldn't come up with anything ,didnt know where to start, be honest.I know you are still trying, its okay will give you as much time as you need 1 year 10 years 50 no problem.
Holy Vedas, Ramayana, Bhawat Gita. Holy Guru Granth Sahib spiritual masterpieces are poetry like I said the most condensed and highest form of philosophy possible only by the enlightened one.
Common you have to write just a few lines and not an entire book to prove I am a fake, you are so intelligent with such good grammar , whats stopping you from proving yourself.
Why write so many paragraphs instead?
Behave have have been very patient with you.
You insisted my writing was crap and grammar terrible and yours was much better.
JUTS ONE POEM NOT 51 POEMS SURELY YOU CAN,ANY IDIOT CAN.
I am at peace with many here and this challenge is not for them but whoever thinks I am a fake and writes and shows us a better poem on Religions I will agree I am a fake, now you are not alone, surely you can do this.You have so many friends.
Lol, i like your frustration. If you're sane enough you need to seriously think about my "lab rat" statement else carry on challenging me.
Lol, what is stopping me ? Indeed what is
Crap ? Nope. I said your forum posts has typos and you have comprehension issues, i'm yet to buy your book so how can i say that it is crap ? Why you're twisting my replies Mr Mishra. Nowhere i said my poems(which i never presented online) are better than yours ? Do you lack comprehension Mr Mishra ?
Frustration is the first step towards hatred and anger.
How many people here in HP said in their written post that you're fake ? Can you give us the replies link ? Do you understand their posts or make up you own stories against others ?
So the truth is you are unable to write as well as I can . You don't have the knowledge or ability to do so thats why my work is ranked next to Bibles and Bhagwat Gitas and not yours, simple.
Yet you insist you all are better writers ,that is you and your cronies.
I really don't pay much attention to my typing errors on these hubs, I told you I dont give a damn the message is much more important for me, this is not some literature class, find this too petty not at all important.
Have answered many peoples questions,some which no one else could answer and they have thanked me, not many are on your side everyone doesn't mock someone ranked so highly they are not as humble as you and your friends.
What happened so many of your cronies together cannot write just one better poem and you call my poems crap
You've very limited sense of understanding things when it comes to forum debates. Writing poem doesn't qualify anyone as superior or inferior which you want to portray here. You lack rationality for sure.
Ofcourse, why not ? We don't boast ranking and lack in grammar and comprehension unlike some wanna-be's.
You're disrespecting a medium while giving importance to message. That clutters your message and comprehension skills. Lot of misinterpretation are likely to be there if you make mistake with language whether you give damn or not.
You answered questions in this forum ? Lol, you kidding me ?Besides you have so much pride for thanking and having fans ? Wow you boast a lot about that. Too bad you're still wanna-be when it comes to knowledge so stop getting things personally and come back to debate.
Unfortunately none of your fans share this frustration and boasting here on HP. I wish you had some followers to back you here but i got disappointed by that by knowing that guy who claims to be number one in some random bookstore has no followers to back him on forums ?
I can haz lolz ?
You cannot even write one better poem forget a book yet you mock my work and rankings ? What sense does that make , and you say I have foolish pride,you will write so many paragraphs, have given you a very fair chance to prove yourself, didn't say an entire book just one poem.
You haven't even read my book and come to such conclusions , very foolish.
Dont need backing unlike you, challenged you and your cronies together to write just one piece, you all are no match for me.
Be honest and say I cannot.
How can you be so sure that i can't ?
You give me chance ? Stop acting like superior cause you're not
Who's commenting on your book ?
Who's talking ? Guy who's having grammar and comprehension issues ?
So cute he gets offended while playing with his own false pride
So instead of writing so many paragraphs just write a better poem on Religions and finish this off.
Now whos commenting on your book? much better your falling into place.
The truth is you have just tried but couldn't and you don't have the courage to acknowledge it, foolish pride nothing else.
Cannot write a better piece so you reply with rudeness
at least you replied
great job
Give me one single reason to write about religious garbage.
Lol, you love to make stories don't you ? You create your own truth about others so schizophrenic sweet
Better piece ? If your poetry are among better piece with that 1.5$ tag then it is better to be without being a poet.
You helped me prove many things Mr Mishra
I can get sarcasm, anger, hatred, pride and attitude out of Wanna-be spiritualist on online-forum. Persist more in this debate and i'll get many things out of that mask of yours.
I can haz lolz Mr Mishra ?
"A person who doesn't have self-awareness isn't enlightened" "Marinealways24"
Enlightenment is a religious terminology, which is a metaphor for self-awareness/consciousness. The "sense of life" each person carries forward in their own existence is their enlightenment. Most simply don't realize it, because the scriptures that which provide "enlightenment" are out of context and/or offer vague descriptons, as "how to" become enlightened.
Therefore- "leap of faith" is required, without any rationalized proof of existence of "GOD".
Do the religious control their thoughts or do their thoughts control them?
The term "enlightenment" is used in a number of ways.
The Age of Enlightenment refers to that period in Western history where reason was seen as the highest authority. Immanuel Kant defined enlightenment as the freedom to use one's intelligence. No religious outlook is implied here, if anything the opposite.
To Eastern philosophy/religion, enlightenment is an experience of fusion with "something" greater than self with a temporary loss of one's individuality.
In Western esotericism and religion, enlightenment is the experience of contact with something that, depending on the particular flavour of a person's worldview or spiritual view, is either seen as being within oneself (the Higher Self, the Higher Consciousness) or outside it (the guardian angel, God, the Cosmic Consciousness).
Just an update. Yes, the Garden of Eden did exist on Earth. However, it is not in it's form as it was. Sorry if I explained as such last night. The ground is simply there but the conditions are not. What is important is not so much it's place in history but rather it's place in the future as a location for some of the greatest history making events to come. I never meant to lead anyone to think that because the place is beautiful it was Eden. On the contrary if it was trashed it could still be the location. It is through open revelation that that particular place was made known. Why? So that it can be prepared for things to come.
Also, Eden was actually to the south of the place I mentioned last night. The location I mentioned was the place Adam dwelt with Eve when they were cast out of the Garden. Sorry for the confusion.
Sorry we kind of got a little off topic but I try to answer any questions posed to me.
I noticed after I retired to bed that a comment was made that I admitted I did not know God. This is a fabrication and a product of an overabundance of pride for the one who claimed it. I have, however, said that I have never been dead and therefore cannot claim with authority to have specific knowledge of that particular journey. I can tell you what work goes on there and some of the condition based on revelation but I cannot tell you details which have little bearing on our existence now.
This is really interesting and I did sound flippant and I apologize for that goldenpath. As an energetic place it would be an experience to tune into it and see what is there. Perhaps remnants of ancient times that can be sensed. Could I have the directions again. I have to retire now, our time zones don't match very well. I'll have a look tomorrow and keep a record of what you write. I know many people who would be interested in it. It's likely to be 2 years before I head to the States again, so you never know I may take you up on your offer. I'm certainly open to the experience.
Actually documented records do give account that there was remnants of an ancient alter there from a civilization present some two thousand years ago. This relic, unfortuneately has since been looted, desecrated and destroyed. What a loss. That's why I say it's not much by way of buildings but it is a place to go that's memorable and worthy to tell your children and grandchildren about.
I doubt it would get much traffic but I could easily compose a hub on the significance of this place and others including a place where two ancient civilizations of millions destroyed each other.
The place is about ten miles north/northwest of Gallatin, Missouri out in the boonies right smack in the center of the United States. I was not aware you were a resident elsewhere. If you don't mind might I ask from where you reside?
Describe god.The only way is through death.
Many have a higher awareness level may be like you but they still dont have the god experience.
Reborn doesnt mean changing ones religion.It means dying merging with the light and coming back.
my belief is that from dust we originated from dust we return, we are in god's memory....
Ok, I admit you don't know. I can help but you'll have to work on your faith issues.
You know! If you can't touch, see, hear, taste or smell it don't exist. I'll gladly help you but you'll have to do some reading and Praying/meditating, it might be too much work for you though. Let me know if when you're serious and I'll send you a book.
lol I like your assumptions, I can't say they are surprising.
I love you regardless, just let me know!
What happens when someone doesn't have a faith issue? Just curious.
If you have faith down pat it could be your friends, your sins and/or your master. You have to want to know! If you love your sins so much that there worth your eternal soul, then you're in a good place go with it.
I think a sin could also be considered not being honest with yourself. Maybe you are going to eternal hell as well for your dishonesty. Not much honesty in your religion. How do I love my sins, I don't continually lie to myself to find a belief.
Well I don't believe I will. I only know what I know. I'm not all that bright so I could have read it wrong but I don't think so. You won't go to hell but you may not reach the level of glory you would like to live at for an eternity. I do love you brother and I pray for you to recieve the Holy Spirit to guide you through the darkness and away from the adversary.
Why do you assume that I am in darkness because I don't believe the bible? How do you know that I don't have stronger morals and honesty than you yourself does?
I said "darkness" as a figure of speach refering to those haven't seen the light of our Savior.
I'm sure you are more moral and more honest than me, I am a sinner and I need the Lord's help.
God can't think for you, you have to do that yourself. Have you never thought that you could be your own Savior?
No. When I pray I can feel the Holy Spirit with me as real as anything I know. There's no confusion.
You're right he can't speak for me but he can guide me. He gave us all the right to choose, "Free Agency". You have made a choice but it's not to late to change.
Free will includes free thought.
Thought that worships another is not free will or free thought.
The choice I made was free will, which choice did you make?
I chose to believe my family was not religious at all. I was always for the moment and very selfish. I knew everything for me and everyone else. I had to realize my attitude was hurting the ones I loved and I was ashamed of my behaviors. I read and I had to learn to pray and set aside my pride. Now my family and friends love to be with me and no one has to walk on egg shells around me. Marine it works for me but pride is a tough thing to set aside. Pride may be the source of all evil.
I think pride can be understood simply from analyzing individual thoughts. It doesn't take religion to define or undefine your pride. Afterall, you still have pride to feel you have chosen the right belief. I think pride can be good and evil. I think it's balance of pride is the important part. An excellent example of someones who's pride is unbalanced is Mohit.
On an earthly level you're right on a celestial level maybe not so much. I know Jesus loves you for who you are, as I do.
What do you mean I am right on the earthly level and wrong on the celestial level? I thought that we are on earth. The bible doesn't explain pride on a celestial level, it leaves it open to interpretation.
Do you think the Bible endorses pride? I don't remember anywhere it says it's all about you as an individual. In fact I know it doesn't say the prideful will inherit the earth. Do you think it does?
Why shouldn't a person endorse pride? It didn't say to balance pride either.
Pride can build or break a person or do both. Neither does it say this or say a person is built on pride. People are built on pride. Most people that have too little pride in themselves don't believe in themselves or what they have the ability to acheive compared to if they did have pride.
A person has the right and the "Free Agency" to pray to any god including themselves. I'm not a good resource for this but here goes.
Prior to being born on earth you were a spirit with Heavenly Father. You accepted his plan, the one his son Jesus offered to the Lord. This meant you were given an opportunity to come to earth with all it's temtations and show your obedience to his word.
Your acceptance in Heaven was easy you were there you knew the father. So following his lead was easy and this time in your development is known as the "First Estate".
Your arrival on earth opened many doors and many choices. Your adherence to the covenants you made to God is the "Second Estate". You were given "Free Agency" the right to choose and your eventual level of glory will be based on that adherence. It's always been your choice and no man can take from you what Heavenly Father has given you. Amen.
This is your response to us talking about pride? I think your pride wrote this. How is this a response to all of the things I wrote about pride not being in the bible? If the bible was absolute or fact, why does it leave so much open to interpretation?
Being prideful is a choice. I've outlined what you agreed to and what you chose. This is your background and it's all in your hands, make good choices.
By the way it's all there you have to read and pray for the answers. Look I know you could careless so leave us deluded idiots to our beliefs thats our choice.
So is Pride and selfasured the same thing?
I think not. A person can be selfasured and not be prideful or boastful.
To me; Pride leans a bit toward a self elivated ego.
Stopped by the house for a few minutes. Gotta go do an estament, back in a while .
The thoughts of someone who subscribes to an institutionalised set of beliefs, i.e. a "religion", are controlled by that religion.
Greetings to all!
Last night's conversation wore me out. Actually it was the switching between the conversation and working on my upcoming sermon. Hope all is well out there on the highway.
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