can anyone prove that the bible is false
Hi HopeisFree, The bible is full of amazing facts. It speaks of the past, present and the future. Anyone who desire to read and study the bible can see for themselves. I love this response. God is Great!
What if the bible and other spiritual books are actually timeless? We know precious little about time, but we do know that it is quite local, perhaps individual. We all perceive it differently, and considereing frequencies and bandwidth and wavelength, we really have no clue beyond our own personal observations what is and isn't true. The same physics which describes the big bang for instance, also describes multiple dimensions and string theory, a billion different combinations of this reality. Who is telling who fairy tales. Not sure anymore.
memoreton, The word of God is very much alive and powerful. God's word will never come back void.
Troy:
Only one who has not done his homework and is easily led would ask this question.
For goodness sakes and for your one edification, just go to Google and spend a few days studying the history of man's bent for religious myth.
Start about 10 - 15 thousand yrs ago and follow it up thru the "dark ages, ranaissance, enlightenment, et al, to today.
It'll all come to ya.
I'm sure you'll be introduced to the "vulgate."
When ya get finished with yer studies and you've shaken off the effects of the "epiphany," you'll ask yourself why ya asked this question.:
QwarkI state that the bible is false. By your reasoning it is now up to you to prove me wrong otherwise it is nothing more than your opinion that the bible is anything more than a popular novel.
Apparently you didn't bother reading the whole thread either. What a shame.
The Qu'ran written by many people who lack the awareness of their own life. How sad.
They even perpetuate the "mystic" ramblings, not knowing any better. Definitely shows you the level of intelligence of people back then.
Nothing like distorting the truth with more irrationality.
You're too funny. I have no doubt with regards to my own research. It was a long process and the knowledge gained was unmistakable awesome in it's own right.
There is no truth in the bible, with regards to what or who inspired the writing. And, just because you say so, isn't proof.
Proof is in the pudding as they say, and I ate all my pudding.
The bible is riddled with errors and contradictions, many of those have already been recognized with no one offering any explanations. Obviously, if all you do is read the bible, you wouldn't become privy to this information.
MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.
You should probably read this book, just for starters.
But I'm sure it's too late.That is exactly the same thing every other believer in the world says about their own holy books. You are no different than them, even though you all have different religion, holy books and gods.
Of course, if the bible is the only thing you read, you would never know this information.
uhhh. Sure. Little comprehension prob in your internal software, I think. Little adjustment here, little adjustment there...nope still can't hear, still can't see. Hmmm. Maybe it's a hardware prob. Call the support people in India! Damn, the whole component is fried! Oh, well. Just have to order the part from china. Via the slow boat (short bus) you are alresdy on.
I thought the film wasn't as good as the book...
TRoy:
Lol and it is obvious that you are still just as confused as you were before you started studying your bible.
Your preconceived opinions, and that's all they are, frustrate your need for education.
I have worn your "moccasins" chief and I threw them away for better and more functional footwear.
Troy, to me, you exist as just another easily led fundie who is brainwashed and cannot gain enuf information concerning reality, to be able to think a well reasoned thought.
It is I who pity you.
tch tch ....:
Qwark
Actually, I can prove it's all a lie. I can also prove every single word is true. Which angel would you like to speak to. The one on your left shoulder...or the one on the right?
I went that way, got an education and left the crazy story of a god who killed all but a handful of the earths inhabitants in a fit of psychotic rage behind.
What a pile!
Jerami - being "called" is just another way of defending an untenable belief. No one is actually getting called.
Ah - semantics.
Always good for proving how right you are.
Multiple personality disorders, this chap thinks he is 66 people spanning 2000 years and living in a wide geographic dispersal of locations who wrote books without any knowledge of each other most of the time, but wrote books which surprisingly concurred and were inexplicably telling a complete story... Oh and made nearly 700 specific predictions which all came 100% true (barring about 30 which are still future and to come).
OK you can get back to your mutual mass debate on why you reject the bible now...
An easy task
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."
Matthew 10:34
[Jesus] made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables.
John 2:15 (not that I blame him but this is a clear use of violence used by the Prince of Peace.
Oddly contradicted by this fine teaching, “Do not take revenge on someone who wrongs you. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.” Matthew 5:39
"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it."
Matthew 10:34-39
"If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple."
Luke 14:26
"But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one." Luke 22:36
I am sure we can find a few more for you if you need more but for now I am off to do other thingsIt could say that, but it doesn't, the full quote was used
. The bible could say lots of things, it could say that slavery is an abomination against God, it could say the the abuse of your wife is the greatest shame any husband could ever be burdened by and of such disdain to God it counts a murder (murder of the soul), it could make plain that trying to control another's life (be it your wife, husband, child) is slavery and slavery is worse then murder for it makes hell on earth for the one in bondage, it could say all these things, but it doesn't.
Good thing we both have other stuff to do and this is mostly just a fun diversion from work (ugh!)
Glad you enjoyed the quotes, currently I am very much enjoying 'Song of Solomon' and so you might enjoy these ones
Behold, thou art fair, my love; behold, thou art fair; thou hast doves' eyes within thy locks: thy hair is as a flock of goats, that appear from mount Gilead. 2 Thy teeth are like a flock of sheep that are even shorn, which came up from the washing; whereof every one bear twins, and none is barren among them. 3 Thy lips are like a thread of scarlet, and thy speech is comely: thy temples are like a piece of a pomegranate within thy locks. 4 Thy neck is like the tower of David builded for an armoury, whereon there hang a thousand bucklers, all shields of mighty men. 5 Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins, which feed among the lilies. 6 Until the day break, [1] and the shadows flee away, I will get me to the mountain of myrrh, and to the hill of frankincense. 7 Thou art all fair, my love; there is no spot in thee.
Ah yes ,narrow minded buttonpatch, but I am there to teach them what is fantasy and what is truth.
Teaching children that this "imagined" god thing is "real" and brainwashing them during the "formative" years to believe that, is to me, heinous child abuse.
But what could I expect from you other than your programmed response?
You may have been one of those abused children!
Or, you may just be an easily led, hopeful believer in "Superman."
The bible presents it's fairytale "alpha" hero as a murderous metaphysical creature that creates "everything," organic and inorganic, then like a spoiled rotten kid, gets pissed off, flies into rages of anger and destroys all organic life but a few and allows them to re-procreate so "it/he/her" (whatever) can do it all over again!
Too scary a "tale" for my kids to read and teach 'em "it and superman" are real!
That's even scary to me!
Qwark:
- china manposted 13 years ago
0Troy, I am aware that you are not allowing anyone to misguide or decieve you.
I was speaking of the unbelievers in these forums whose goal is to prevent others from from knowing about God's true love. I think about the mockers in the bible centuries ago when I observed this same behavior in the forums. The word of God is being fulfilled everyday.
welcome back cagsil, as it's nice of you to come back to share your thoughts with us on this debate. I know many hubbers around here missed you while you were gone.
oh by the way, did you read the forum that kcc wrote about you in your honor of posting over 30k posts?
http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/63822
Oh, don't getcher panties in a bunch. I'm just a fun lovin' guy. Tryin' to walk my path. It is difficult avoidin' that straight jacket. Good thing I'm a Ken Kesey fan. You shoulda seen me flyin' over that cuckoo's nest. Wheeee.
Just like ta needle you fellers. Told ya at the start, I'm just a pagan at heart.Just when i think i got you figured out druid, you always say things that throw me through a loop.
j/k
- Travis_S_Musicposted 13 years ago0
The OP's problem has been solved. Just published this title as a new hub to prove it false. Have a great day!
I know he wasn't truly looking for answers, but only posted this thread to mock those who don't believe. But, thank you. I also appreciate the fact that you checked out my hub.
Ironically it is said that jesus made statement called treat others as you want yourself to be treated...so get ready to be mocked and ridiculed , if one wants to mock and ridicule others...how can believers forget that
Well, it didn't exactly say it in those words, but the message is there to be understood.
The distorted message is debunked. But, you're probably right, the ridicule will without a doubt come.And WOC, your belief is misplaced.
Is of course not ridicule?rid·i·cule (rd-kyl)
n.
Words or actions intended to evoke contemptuous laughter at or feelings toward a person or thing: "I know that ridicule may be a shield, but it is not a weapon" (Dorothy Parker).
tr.v. rid·i·culed, rid·i·cul·ing, rid·i·cules
To expose to ridicule; make fun of.
[French, from Latin rdiculum, joke, from neuter of rdiculus, laughable; see ridiculous.]
ridi·culer n.
Synonyms: ridicule, mock, taunt1, twit, deride
These verbs refer to making another the butt of amusement or mirth. Ridicule implies purposeful disparagement: "My father discouraged me by ridiculing my performances" (Benjamin Franklin).
To mock is to poke fun at someone, often by mimicking and caricaturing speech or actions: "Seldom he smiles, and smiles in such a sort/As if he mock'd himself, and scorn'd his spirit" (Shakespeare).
Taunt suggests mocking, insulting, or scornful reproach: "taunting him with want of courage to leap into the great pit" (Daniel Defoe).
To twit is to taunt by calling attention to something embarrassing: "The schoolmaster was twitted about the lady who threw him over" (J.M. Barrie).
Deride implies scorn and contempt: "Was all the world in a conspiracy to deride his failure?" (Edith Wharton)
So the mocking you inserted was not compliant with the definition?
OK, we obviously use different dictionaries!My statement "belief is misplaced" cannot be ridicule. No matter where you get the definition from.
Edit: Just because I used a smiley laughing face, isn't ridicule. It means that I was laughing at the time I said it. I just wanted her to know that I found what she said funny.
Hey WOC, I've already answered the OP or are you not paying attention to the thread.
However, I also posted a second reply in this thread about answering the original OP's question, yet you failed to read that one either.
On a side note, you can read about here- http://hubpages.com/hub/Can-Anyone-Prov … e-Is-False
I made a hub precisely for YOU and other religious. Enjoy!
- Multimanposted 13 years ago0
- just_curiousposted 13 years ago0
Hey EK, of course it is the most printed book. The Christian religion is the most wealthiest religion presently. Not to mention, it's followers consist of 2.1 Billion people.
The point EK is you cannot do away with money. Religion can be done away with.
All religion is already on the same footing, each uses the same 3 major doctrines for their foundation. It's that foundation that is selfish and makes those who believe also selfish.Ok.
I meant history has proven the Bible cant be done away with.
So in relation to the topic, and you saying ,Money cant be done away with but the Bible could.
I say it couldnt.
They have tried and to some degree Eastern countries do better than Western , BUT the Bible remains
As for proving the bible false? It's already been done.
You side-stepped my question?
Have I read it, yep, appears a different version to yours though.How did I side-step your question?? I thought I answered it clearly enough.
The quoted text is the same in the three bibles I have for reference. Does your bible leave out the hate passages?
Hey Earnest, the doctrines force people to go against themselves. No rational/sane entity would create something, just so it could give them instructions that would lead to self-destruction.
Or threaten to kill off it's own creation because it is somehow faulty.
The whole of religion is about a megalomanic desire to control the masses.
More than that, god doesn't exist, so you are very safe in your assessment.
So no need to blame God anymore
Man(kind) is the fault.No need to worship it either or live your life on the basis of 2,000 year old myths full of hate.
This would be no different than any other person who has ever existed. Every person questions their own purpose. What many people fail to realize is that a "purpose" cannot be granted or given to them. It must be figured out on their own. Meaning, we each decide what our purpose is to be. That purpose, can be for selfish or selfless, reasons.
You actually questioned by you were made? Don't take this the wrong way, I asked my parents why I was born. My parents said, we(your father and I(your mother and I)) wanted children. I said okay.
Again, this would be something for you to determine, not to be granted or given.
Why do you have a good life? That is a question you asked yourself? And, I would think that the answer would be more than obvious...you didn't do anything to make it bad
This is part of indoctrination.
It shouldn't matter with regards to your life, because knowing is meaningless and so is asking "why".
The first part is all that matters, you accepting yourself. Once you accepted yourself, then you learn to accept others, because they are the same as you, as in the same boat, same predicament.
Sure it did, because you were indoctrinated, via the beliefs of your parents, but on a subconscious level. Now that you live on a conscious level, breaking from the indoctrination should be something you would look forward to, to be your own authority, handling your life in every aspect, without anyone or anything holding your hand.
Which seems like you've done, except to rid yourself of a belief you do not need.'do not need according to Cags'
no offensive intended ,but you know what I mean.
Yes I did query why I was made
, I mean precisely. Not meaning genetics ,but nature,moods, intracies ,nuances,etc.
(Like, if 20 people all have the same thing happen to them say: divorce, why do they all react in 20 different ways) or what makes one turn to drugs and one not...
Indoctrination, do you also mean like imprinting?
Could you not also say an Atheist had been indoctrinated.All jargon to me really.
Where Am I going ( I chose ,after the information )
I do accept others ,I really like people.It's not according to me. Offense accepted. And, yes I do know the sarcasm, which wasn't needed nor was it warranted.
Knowing all that comes from understanding who you are, what you represent and how you move forward.
Every person has a different reaction to things, that is what makes us different and what we learn from them is how we move forward.
Yes, your parents' beliefs were imprinted on to you.
Actually, Atheist(which I am not) could be seen the same way, but Atheism is more an anger that is not seen past.
Exactly, no god required.
Of course you do, because you've learn to accept yourself.
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