The Illuminati/Reptilian theory: what do you think?

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   Jonathan Jancoposted 12 years ago

   Kitty the Dreamer and her Illuminati/Reptilian hub has inspired me to bring this topic to all of you forum junkies out there. Of course I am referring to David Icke's theory of the 'Illuminati' (you know that cult that secretly rules the world) being run by an intelligent race of reptilian humanoid hybrids that shapeshift from human form to reptilian form. Personally, (and I know I like to make certain smart@ss statements about reptilians whenever Kim Kardashian's name comes up in the forums, but) I think the idea that our government, religious institutions and pop culture are under the sway of scaly, cold-blooded, forked tongued predators certainly rings true on a symbolic/metaphorical level.
   What do you think?
   And please be candid.

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      Uninvited Writerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I think people who believe this have watched too much Dr Who...

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         Jonathan Jancoposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I didnt say I believed in it UW, but that's the last time I tell people how much Dr. Who I've watched. It is kinda funny, though, that the term Draconian still survives among the new conspiracy theories of reptilians as it was called in Dr. Who. Speaking of Dr. Who I kind of wish I didnt junk my VCR all those years ago. Kind of in the mood to tap into the gazillion hours of the show I have on VHS.

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            Uninvited Writerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I know you don't

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      Quilligrapherposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I would wager you have a wardrobe filled with black suits.

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         Jonathan Jancoposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         And that means what, Quill? I dont get it.

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            DoubleScorpionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Sounds like a reference to the Movie "Men in Black" to me.

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      Marie-AnneLeClercposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      David Icke seems very well meaningful in his words though I can't say that I believe in 'reptilians.' I hope they don't exist for all our sake... Anyways, from what I do hear David  Icke is touring in Australia around Oct, 2011...

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         Marie-AnneLeClercposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Who knows -but maybe- just maybe- David Icke may be a "Reptilian Draconian King of the Draco's & he may be hiding his hideous true identity in order to fool the lay person....  Just an "Icke-ish kinda thought."  ...Real conspiracist's get my drift yo....

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            Jonathan Jancoposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            You're not the only person to think that. This person seems to feel the need to convince people of the same thing.
            
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7qFlyiOSq8

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         Jonathan Jancoposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I hope they dont exist for our sake as well. But if recognizes the balance of good and evil, I'm not sure if it matters if one believes in Dracos, the Devil, or just bad people.

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      laskerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Everybody has his own believes. So you can demand your own ideas. And the government has to undergo some rules, so they can't cope with your preferred idea. Why? Because most people think it to be an inappropriate idea.

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      pennyofheavenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      The question might be. How would it affect your life if it were true?

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         Jonathan Jancoposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I think it would justify the paranoia alot of people have. 

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            pennyofheavenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Yes indeed. The unknown tends to encourage paranoia to arise.

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   earnestshubposted 12 years ago

   But don't they mean well?
   
   As a young man I ran for the senate in my state and found more than a few problems in entering politics and keeping any remnants of integrity intact.
   Fortunately I did not get the votes needed to find out how dishonest I would need to become to do the job.
   I found that out later from the winning candidate!

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      Jonathan Jancoposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      No, earnest, I dont think they mean well. Well, not the alien reptilians who come from the Draco constellation. they feed off of our anger, hatred, tragedy and violence. Now, the Earth native reptilians who live under the Himalayas, they DO mean well!
      

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   Jonathan Jancoposted 12 years ago

   And earnest? You ran for office? Now that I never wouldve guessed!

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      earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I thought I was smarter then.

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   A Troubled Manposted 12 years ago

   Looks like a lot of stuff on the web debunking Icke. These guys put together a 2.5 hour movie.
   
   http://davidickedebunked.com/

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      Aficionadaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks for posting that link.  Very enlightening and interesting. I'll try to see all of it some time.

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   Jonathan Jancoposted 12 years ago

   So, does that mean he is accusing me of working for the aliens???
   I'm still not sure I get the humor

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      Aficionadaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      The Men in Black in the movie were the ones who kept track of all of the registered aliens and made sure they followed the rules, dealt with the ones who were not registered (I think), meted out punishment for the ones who didn't follow the rules, and dealt with the humans who had witnessed alien incidents, usually by wiping their memories.
      
      So, if you are a Man in Black, you know things about aliens that the rest of the world doesn't know, and you have the authority to interact with them on behalf of the governments of the world.
      
      To the rest of the world, the Men in Black would be considered wackos - True Believers in aliens - if the rest of the world even knew what the Men in Black did for a living and/or believed.  But that's why the MiB were just named by letters and wore black suits - to try not to stand out too much, "JJ."

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      Quilligrapherposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Quips that require an explanation are quips that have already failed. Sorry I interupted you thread. Q.

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   Jonathan Jancoposted 12 years ago

   Aficionada, based on that argument I must not be a MIB then, for I have already stood out too much. As for those who didnt find my opening post very clear, no I dont subscribe to David Icke's theories, but feel there is some symbolic truth in there somewhere. The idea that we are under sway of a draconian race of hive-minded, cold-blooded, fork-tongued types does work for me in a purely metaphorical sense. I was actually hoping to find someone who would actually make an argument for these theories, but I suppose that was a bit much to ask on a relatively mainstream site. Failing that, I was also hoping for anyone at all to share any views they might have about why there is so much reptilian/serpentine symbology in the Old Testament, Hindu Vedas, not to mention the ancient Sumerian and Babylonian creation myths.

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      Aficionadaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      
      I can see the metaphorical application of that description.
      
      As for the use of reptilian/serpentine mythology by the ancients - the initial explanation would be their real-world, everyday experience with snakes. Small creatures that can hide easily, but which can be so destructive and frightening. - Pretty good symbols for evil, I would think.

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      IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I don't know what age you are Sweetheart, but David Icke was thoroughly ostracised by the British Press quite a few years ago. In fact, he was made out to a nutter, someone who had lost his mind entirely.
      
      At that point he had been a respected TV anchorman and presenter.
      
      He'd published a book, the title of which escapes me at present, but when I read it, it seemed to make perfect sense.
      
      Anyway, sadly to say, I believed the Press afterwards and forgot about it, UNTIL I read a book called The True Story of the Bilderberg Group by Daniel Estulin.
      
      NOW I believe Icke. He was right. But I am too old and too tired to take on the establishment. If only I was 20 years younger.

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         calpol25posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I have heard of them Izzy, I have not read the book, but there are alot of high profile people in that bilderberg group ......

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            IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Try thinking of a high profile person that is not in the group is harder.
            
            George Bush, Michelle Obama, Tony Blair, etc etc Google it. In fact Google are in it.

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               calpol25posted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Prince Charles too I believe

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                  IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes indeed. But also many many heads of industry around the world, all the 'top' politicians, who we now know are in the job for the 'common good' - NOT!
                  
                  Just Google 'Bilderberg' and 'names'. Not hard to find.
                  
                  This may be why the authorities are keen to control the internet.It's Big Brother is Watching You, but a step further.
                  
                  They want to control you too.

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               Jonathan Jancoposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               The name most commonly mentioned these days is George Bush, the elder. He is the most commonly mentioned by Icke, and by many of the less prominent conspiracy theorists, particularly Brice Taylor/Susan Ford. Then if you go back some time, Myron Fagan mentions the late Senator Fullbright alot, and others of his day mention John Foster Dulles and even Averell Harriman.

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                  calpol25posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Its scary to think just what really goes on

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         Jonathan Jancoposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Im not sure what my age matters here. Obviously its an old picture. And yes, I got exposed to Icke while in college, which was in the mid-nineties.

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            IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Age does matter.
            
            College in the nineties, OK good. You still believe (as opposed to being brainwashed).
            
            Age matter because you need to know the history, and that will only be taught by a sympathetic teacher or not at all.
            
            I was well left school by the time all this went down, so no influence either way.

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         EmpressFelicityposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I have to say, I detest David Icke.
         
         Now, I'm sure he's a lovely guy who's kind to animals and helps old ladies across the road, but all this reptilian garbage does my head in. Icke has conflated it with stuff that is all too plausible (the Bilderbergs, the banks etc.), so a lot of ordinary people will simply switch off when they hear about the latter, saying "Oh, the Bilderbergs. David Icke believes in them. Mind you, he thinks that the Queen is a shape-shifting lizard so it must all be a load of old crap."

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            Jonathan Jancoposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Yes, I believe Alex Jones said something similar. Perhaps there is some conspiracy theory turf war going on.

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            IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            This exactly.
            
            Sorry the reptilian stuff is a load of nonsense, possibly he has gone mad. But his earlier stuff, maybe going back to that book I read which was possibly his first (how many has he written?) was factual. If I remember right it had a picture of a war on the front cover and he talked about how wars were fought to protect banking and business interests. No mention of reptiles.

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               Jonathan Jancoposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Yes the reptilian theory is a bit farfetched to say the least. However, an even later theory of his that we all live in a holographic matrix and these reptilians are just dark, invisible robots . . . well, if he hadnt lost me before with the 4th dimensional reptilians (not that he's the only one to make that claim) then he definitely lost me with the matrix theory. He is nontheless a fine public speaker, however. Perhaps that is where he gains the confidence of his followers. Of course, Izzy, even in his earlier books he claims they were dictated to him by 'ascended masters'.

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               Marie-AnneLeClercposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               This man is No More than a "Serial"- 'Reptilian Nutter!!" Not your average "Nut!"... -Say No More Say No Least - the man has lost the effing' bleeding plot!!!!

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   Jonathan Jancoposted 12 years ago

   Yes, the Bilderbergs are the most recent manifestation of this theorized conspiracy. Before it was the Trilateral Comission and the CFR before that. Fagan even went so far as to say the Council of Vienna during the Napoleonic Wars was an Illuminati scam. Of course, in order for the story to make sense, he makes a hero of the Russian Czar. We all know what great humanitarians the Russian Czars were.
   

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   IzzyMposted 12 years ago

   There's a part of me wants to really really believe that  politicians are there for the common good, that top bankers really care about their customers, that industry needs us, the consumers.
   
   I want to believe in Utopia.
   
   Oh and yeah there really is tooth fairy/

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      Jonathan Jancoposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Of course theres a part of you that wants to believe that. Its not fun to sleep with one eye open, is it.

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         IzzyMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Nope!

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   Jonathan Jancoposted 12 years ago

   btw, kinninigin?
   Pronunciation?
   Is it a soft g, hard g or is it pronounced like a y like the Scandanavians and Germans do?

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      earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Local Australian soft g, probably universal.

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         Jonathan Jancoposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         So, Kee-nee-NEE-juhn
         That would be the correct way, you think?
         Apparently, the 'dark robots' get tongue tied when they say it.
         

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            earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Sorry messed up. Pronunciation would be Kee nee nee geen as in green

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    brotheryochananposted 12 years ago

    yes to the Illuminati and rubbish to the reptilian people.
    I totally believe there are old 'orders' out there who have had power for a long time and weild it for their benefits. I saw a sign on a shriners car, in the parade on canada day and it said "all shriners are free masons". for whatever enlightenment, God used Nebuchadnezzar as a tool i can easily suppose these secret organizations are no secret to God. So i don't worry about them in fact, i ignore them.
    As to reptilian people who shape-shift.. well i gotta chuckle at that. I won't even bother to list my reasons.

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