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If you say there is no God, you have a reprobate mind

  1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
    Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago

    The Bible says in Romans 1:28 that ''Because they refuse to acknowledge God in their heart, God gave them to reprobate mind''. A reprobate mind is a useless mind. A reprobate mind is the type that goes against natural principles in all it ramifications.
    A reprobate mind always give excuses for every action that is contrary to the acceptable norms laid down by God, made known to everyone through his word(Bible)and the human conscience.

    The human conscience is a wonder, but when one goes reprobate; the conscience is lost,until such a fellow take the steps of the prodigal son.

    If you have ever ask someone to prove to you that God exist, you are a typical example of a reprobate mind.

    If you exist, why won't your creator exist?

    1. Paul Wingert profile image79
      Paul Wingertposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      LOL The laws of physics and gravity exists. With these two, something can be made from nothing and therefore no need for a creator.

      1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
        Ron Montgomeryposted 4 years ago in reply to this



        Then why do plants grow up instead of down?

        CHECK and MATE

        yikes

        1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
          Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Ron, Paul will never get to understand because he has made a personal choice to be who God doesn't want him to be.
          Believing in God's natural principle of life while at the same time denying the existence of the creator, makes no sense whatsoever.

          1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
            Ron Montgomeryposted 4 years ago in reply to this



            There are many things that Ron Paul will never understand...

            1. Paul Wingert profile image79
              Paul Wingertposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              "Then why do plants grow up instead of down?

              CHECK and MATE"

              ????????????????? Are you joking? Please tell me and everyone else on this thread that you were just kidding. There's no checkmate because your comment is simply embarrassing. Do you know any 2nd graders that's willing to explain how plants grow to you? If not, maybe the following link will help. http://www.kidsgen.com/school_projects/ … s_grow.htm  Meanwhile I’m going to join the ongoing campaign to get kids to stay in school.

        2. Paul Wingert profile image79
          Paul Wingertposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          The Bible says in Romans 1:28 that ''Because they refuse to acknowledge God in their heart, God gave them to reprobate mind''. Meaningless Bible BS that some people rely on as a crutch because they aren’t capable of thinking for themselves. The Bible also says that a rape victim, who is a virgin, can redeem herself by marrying her rapist providing that he pays off her father. Great pieces of literary work there. Camping hint #65: Bibles make great fire starters. The thin pages are easy to light and makes great tinder.

        3. Barnsey profile image86
          Barnseyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Thanks for the tip!

        4. Felixedet2000 profile image60
          Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          LOL ''The laws of physics and gravity exists. With these two, something can be made from nothing and therefore no need for a creator''

          Paul, who made the laws of physics and gravity according to you, because these are not laws, but natural universal principles? Are these laws of physics an entity physically or virtually in terms of recognition?
          Wow, cool down real good man. Even a kid knows better than this response you gave. It makes no sense at all.
          Is that all you know about gravity and physics? You can’t talk gravity and Physics with me because i know just too much about these laws according to your understanding of the natural principle.
          In my page these are not laws, these are truth about life, we only come to understand them because the creator gave you and me (brain) to understand them. These phenomenons (natural universal principles) can not in any way replace the personality of the creator. Whether you believe in him or not is a function of knowledge and ignorance.
          As long as you are alive you have a creator, stop exposing your ignorance.

          1. Paul Wingert profile image79
            Paul Wingertposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I was quoting Stephen Hawkins. So god made gravity and the laws of physics? Where do you get this from or are you just making it up as you go? That the best thing about playing make believe.

        5. Claire Evans profile image88
          Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          How do the law of physics and gravity cause consciousness?

        6. mariexotoni profile image91
          mariexotoniposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          if you really want to say something like that, then who made your creator? hm?


          and you can't try to explain consciousness with religion. We have yet to come close to bridging the gap between the brain and consciousness. You can't just explain away things that you don't know the explanation for with religion. That's just plain terrible.

        7. schoolgirlforreal profile image77
          schoolgirlforrealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          so, do you want or not want a creator?

          I think it's more humble to say we had one, don't you?

          saying we don't have one makes us gods.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image93
            Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            So?  If we are gods why should we be so humble about it?  I don't really believe if there's no god that we fill an empty niche, though.  I see no need for such entities at any rate.  smile


                                                 http://s4.hubimg.com/u/6812619.jpg

            1. schoolgirlforreal profile image77
              schoolgirlforrealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Well it seems to me that humility itself is the source of good actions. Look at Cagsil, he's writes about good character traits, including humility.

              1. Cagsil profile image83
                Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Yes Humility is a human character trait. However, I have not written anything about it, specifically. wink

                1. schoolgirlforreal profile image77
                  schoolgirlforrealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Yes it seems humility is important smile wink So I would opt for that (and a creator )

          2. Felixedet2000 profile image60
            Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Visible things are created, therefore there is a creator of all things.

            1. MelissaBarrett profile image61
              MelissaBarrettposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Yep... rocks create sand.  Trees create leaves.  Cow crap creates stink.

              I have a lot of temples to build.  Anybody know how to build a temple out of cow crap?

      2. MelissaBarrett profile image61
        MelissaBarrettposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I don't get it...

        If someone doesn't believe in God then why would they care about what the bible says about not believing in God?

        Wouldn't that be akin to "My invisible friend thinks you are a bad influence?"

        So with that in mind this entire thread was just created to insult atheists and those of other faiths...

        Gotcha.

        But yeah... those poor Christians are being oppressed.

        1. Cagsil profile image83
          Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          lol

        2. autumn18 profile image68
          autumn18posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I couldn't have said it any better. Lol.

          1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
            Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            because you have nothing to say against the truth. Good you kept quite.

        3. Felixedet2000 profile image60
          Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Mellissa, why would someone choose not to believe in God? Can you tell the reason why?
          If you can't i will write a hub to educate you, why someone will willing-fully choose not to believe in God. It's not ordinary, it's a force that's greater and larger than your thoughts and reasoning. Accept it or not, the truth stands.

          1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
            Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            You may have the whole world, Christians have the whole heaven, and there is nothing you guys can do to Christians. The Romans tried and fail woefully, can you fight against God?

            Anyways, you don't understand what you are talking about. Don't be too emotional when you are hard hit with the truth, You guys insult Christians at will with numerous rantings as though you know anything at all.

          2. Randy Godwin profile image93
            Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            For the same reason YOU probably do not believe in the Easter Bunny.  Can you prove it doesn't exist?  lol

            http://s1.hubimg.com/u/6186572.jpg

          3. MelissaBarrett profile image61
            MelissaBarrettposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I seriously doubt that you could educate me on anything.

            Belief is either something you have or you don't.  It is nothing more nefarious than "This rings true to me" vs.  "What utter horse bung!"

            If someone doesn't believe what you do it is likely because they think it is silly buggers.

            1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
              Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Say whatever you like Melissa...It's a free and stupid world meant for junks.

              1. MelissaBarrett profile image61
                MelissaBarrettposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Obviously.

          4. nightwork4 profile image59
            nightwork4posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            it's not that we choose not to believe in god, it's that we know that god doesn't exist. big difference.

            1. autumn18 profile image68
              autumn18posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Right. I dislike the assumption that atheists or non-Christians are choosing to turn away from God like it's a known truth and that we choose not to believe because we want to be bad or disobedient.

          5. Hollie Thomas profile image60
            Hollie Thomasposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I'd work on your grammar and punctuation before attempting to educate others through your writing.

        4. wilmiers77 profile image60
          wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Everyone encounters an idiot or two during their lives. By recognizing such proves that THERE IS A GOD. LOLOL!!!!!

          1. MelissaBarrett profile image61
            MelissaBarrettposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Did you just call me an idiot?

        5. mariexotoni profile image91
          mariexotoniposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          oh boy. this was gutsy of you!

          Gonna make those believers attack you!! Funny how uh.. heavenly they become, huh? Posting these kinds of questions just to get in a verbal brawl with non-believers.

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        jah1zposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        When I first read that word when reading about Sodom and Gomorrah and I thought reprobate was meant to allow gays/lesbians.

        1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
          Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Reprobate is a state of the mind or mindset whereby an individual go against natural principles of life. Because such a person or fellow has chosen not to believe in God or have God in his/her heart.
          The resultant effect is a situation whereby God who is the owner of everyone, allow such a person to reprobate mind. Unable to identify between right and wrong, good and evil by believing that everything is permissible in life while it is not in reality.

          Such people are always arrogant, vile, filled with insult and hate, because they hate God. It is a pathetic state of the mind, where Satan is lord.

          1. mariexotoni profile image91
            mariexotoniposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            LOL YOU are arrogant. Is this a joke? Seriously?

            Why don't you try doing some reading and research outside of your little box, "Christianity", and maybe try to understand why atheists believe what they do.  You'll find that their state of mind isn't "pathetic".

            Not only are you trying to start a thread for attacking atheists, but you're also making your own faith look terrible. Why would ANYBODY wanna be apart of something with people like you involved in it?

            I'm sorry. But this wasn't very smart of you.

            1. wilmiers77 profile image60
              wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              mariexotoni, begin looking below the surface of your life and you will see that the joke is on you. LOL!! There is spiritual warfare being fought in the deep recesses of your mind. Involuntarily, all scenarios in the scriptures are being played out in your mind NOW.

              To know God is to know yourself.

              1. mariexotoni profile image91
                mariexotoniposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Really? Too bad chances are god doesn't exist.

                Sorry sir

                1. wilmiers77 profile image60
                  wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Your shallow opinion.

                  1. mariexotoni profile image91
                    mariexotoniposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    you're one to talk.. really. go back and read your response to me after a week and see how you came across.

                    1. wilmiers77 profile image60
                      wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      Speculation? God is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

              2. mariexotoni profile image91
                mariexotoniposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                People like you is why I know I chose what I did. Thanks for furthering my beliefs hehe

                1. wilmiers77 profile image60
                  wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  mariexotoni, God is not going to judge you on what you think of me; He is going to judge you by His Standard, His Son, Jesus.

                  1. mariexotoni profile image91
                    mariexotoniposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    well.. there is one flaw with that statement.

                    There isn't a god. or anything supernatural. The world is beautiful and works perfectly without it.

                    But I'm done typing to a one-sided, typical Christian. Good day.

                    1. wilmiers77 profile image60
                      wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      What planet have you been living on? It can't be planet Earth. "...beautiful and works perfectly...??????" Madamn, we live in a fallen world.

      4. Trish_M profile image87
        Trish_Mposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        According to the Oxford Dictionary, reprobate can mean unprincipled or predestined to damnation.

        As far as I can tell, God may exist. Or he may not. How can we know? Where is the evidence?

        By saying this, according to this post, I seem to be proving that I am a repribate ~ unprincipled or predestined to damnation ~ but in whose opinion?

        Paul's! ~ Or whoever wrote to the Romans.

        Why should I, or anyone else, assume that a man, who wrote 2000 years ago, knew anything about me, who I am, what I am like and what I deserve?

        Assuming that there is a God, why should we assume that Paul knew his thoughts and opinions?

        1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
          Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          What you assume now is what generation of people 2000 years from now will say about this write up. The knowledge of God is natural in the heart of man. When you have made a personal decision not to believe in history but only in the presents, the choice is yours all the way.

          What you don’t know or fully understand, may be due to orientations may be accepted by you after you might have taken time to do a personal research, God is 100% practical. If you pray to him the best you can, he will prove to you personal that he exists for real. Try it and God will shock you wonderfully, do it to prove yourself right or wrong, because right now, you are not sure whether he exists or not; what about if he truly exists, how will you know?
          Do you want him to come physically into your living room right?

        2. mariexotoni profile image91
          mariexotoniposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I would like your response if I could. smile Well-worded. Can't get my thoughts across like this.

      5. nightwork4 profile image59
        nightwork4posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        wow. need i say more. this religious mumbo-jumbo is getting to be a bit too much. plants grow upwards because they are reacting to the sun bud. check and mate.

      6. Titen-Sxull profile image93
        Titen-Sxullposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        The Bible ALSO says that human beings are allowed to be your property (even Paul says slaves obey your masters), that worshiping a God other than Yahweh should be punishable by death, that working on a Saturday should get you executed, that shellfish are an abomination and that murdering children is okay as long as you do it on God's command.

        In other words the Bible is full of crap, one might say that it's a reprobate book.

        Also, my creators do exist, they're called my parents (and there parents before them, and so on and so forth until we get to the first single-celled self-replicating organism, and even before that the accretion of the Earth after stardust from a massive exploded sun coalesced to form our solar system).

      7. pennyofheaven profile image80
        pennyofheavenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Samuel would seem to contradict that verse. The outward characteristics of man is not what God looks at, it is what is in the heart according to samuel. We can give lip service to anything we want but at the end of the day it is what is in the heart that counts. There are those that might 'say' God does not exist yet have a heart that is pure.

        It is man that tends to focus on the surface and God that focuses on the depth.

      8. Living Well Now profile image79
        Living Well Nowposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Which god?

        If I deny the existence of Thor do I have a reprobate mind?

        If you deny the existence of Thor do you have a reprobate mind?

        I exist because of my parents. They exist because of their parents ... and so on. It's turtles all the way down. Or Atlas. Not sure which...does this mean I have a reprobate mind if I deny both?

        1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
          Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Living, it does mean you are living without actually understanding the essence of your living.

    2. getitrite profile image79
      getitriteposted 4 years ago

      What a profoundly silly, thoughtless, and unnatural world view.

      The reason that humans have survived is their need to question things, thereby taking advantage of things conducive to survival, while discarding nonsense.  Your view is so psychotic, that it suggest that man has no need to survive. 

      If you are against survival, then you are an unprincipled person, thereby making YOU a reprobate.

      1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
        Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks so much for your contribution, at least i know better than all what you have ranted. What you sow is what you reap, suit yourself with your mentality.

        1. getitrite profile image79
          getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          It appears that all you know is how to be a rigid blind follower...And how to start childish insulting threads, based upon nothing but a psychotic view of the world.



          Since your view is nothing more than mind-numbing nonsense, I have much more confidence in my mentality.

          How absurd!

          1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
            Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            that's you opinion, suit yourself more, this is not enough at all.

            1. nightwork4 profile image59
              nightwork4posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              my opinion too and probably many others. seriously, you need to open your mind and let your brain truly think for you. religion is great for people who can't handle life on their own but for the strong minded, it's sort of like , well funny.

              1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
                Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                your personal opinion matters to you not me, i understand your mindset better than you know.

                1. Paul Wingert profile image79
                  Paul Wingertposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Are you a mind reader?

        2. psycheskinner profile image79
          psycheskinnerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Whereas your mentality is that people who don't believe in god have no conscience.  That is: close-minded, judgmental and contrary to obvious facts.

          1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
            Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            You said so personally.

          2. kirstenblog profile image77
            kirstenblogposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            This is spot on! I don't believe in God yet do a job where I have come within an inch of being hit by a car safeguarding children. I donate to charity even tho I live pay check and look for any chance to do something to make a positive difference. I personally would much prefer to live in a world where most people looked for practical ways to improve their communities then to live in a world of the 'faithful'. I think this thread re-difines reprobate to make it out as a good thing. If having a reprobate mind means wanting to do good because of a deep understanding of the importance of doing good, instead of because some God said so then I got me a reprobate mind with pride!

            1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
              Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              You don't understand the main focus of this thread. What has doing good got to do with this thread?
              By the way are you better in doing good than the writer of this thread?

              That response sounds very childish and mortal filled?   you don't believe you are a spirit, that's why you use carnal example when spiritual understanding is in view (talking about the thread)

              1. kirstenblog profile image77
                kirstenblogposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                The main focus of this thread seems to be to insult anyone who doesn't believe in god.
                Everything if you know the meaning of the word reprobate. Try looking it up.
                I think it could be said that it takes a 'reprobate mind' to say anyone who doesn't believe in God has a reprobate mind.

                What is spirit if not the quality of your actions?
                I would prefer to be 'carnal' and decent, then spiritual and dishonourable.

                1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
                  Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  You can choose to satisfy the void in your mind anyway you want, suit yourself.
                  Reprobate mindset is as a result of a person's refusal to acknowledge God.
                  That's from the Bible read this thread well once again before you make your next comment.

                  What has God done to you that you hate him so much?

                  1. kirstenblog profile image77
                    kirstenblogposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Nothing, I don't hate God, don't believe in God so cannot hate him any more then I can hate my twin sister (don't have one). What I hate is the hypocrisy of supposed christians as well as that of supposed muslims, jews and any other who claim to believe in a godly message of love but act in such a way as to show their claim is nothing but a lie. At least be honest and say you don't give a damn about anyone other then yourself when you are more then happy to discount actions in favour of claimed beliefs (which could easily be lied about when not backed up by actions). They say even the devil can quote scripture when it suits his purpose, so you being able to quote scripture means nothing to me, only your actions can give you any credibility to be listened to and your actions make of you a lier since they do NOT tally with your claims for belief.

                    I would much prefer the atheist who says, I see no evidence for God so don't believe but see evidence for good acts making the world a better place so believe in doing good in this world, then someone who claims a belief in a good and loving god but acts without any evidence of goodness or love in their actions, by say starting insulting threads on forums. Your behaviour here may not be the same as you would have in real life but here, your behaviour does not reflect the sentiment of the christian myth of a loving god.

                    The quality of your character can only be measured by your actions, if you wish swap the word character for soul but it makes no difference, you are not a good person and as such do not have a good 'soul'/character.

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                      Bits 'N Piecesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      "The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today
                      Is Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips
                      Then walk out the door and deny him by their lifestyle.
                      That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable.  (DC Talk, "What if I Stumble")
                      Aside the fact that God exists, as a Christian, most of what you have written I sadly agree with.

              2. Randy Godwin profile image93
                Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Did god give you a signed permission slip to speak in his name or something?  I mean, here you are an anonymous, faceless person claiming to know all sorts of stuff about what your god wants despite the fact we don't know anything about you at all.  Why should we take anything you say seriously.  Your type are a nickle a dozen on these forums, all claiming to know the truth from their invisible pretend gods.  Who are you to tell us anything?  What magnificent accomplishments do you claim?    roll

                http://s1.hubimg.com/u/6186572.jpg

                1. kirstenblog profile image77
                  kirstenblogposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  I doubt this concept of needing some sort of recognisable authority to speak on behalf of an otherwise silent god is going to be understood. I don't think fanatical believers understand that the only authority likely to be recognised by outsiders is given through ones actions, many don't seem to think how you live matters one bit, only what god you claim to believe in.

                2. Felixedet2000 profile image60
                  Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Do you live better than Christians?  Do atheists have morals more than Christian
                  What are you trying to insinuate here?

                  Don't shy away from the subject of this thread....none of you guys has said anything meaningful yet....stay focus and let face the truth if you can.

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                    nonto21posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Would you cast your own child into a fire, if he/she didn't conform to your ways?

                    1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
                      Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      Have you been cast  into that fire yet? Assuming i have the power to do just that?

                  2. getitrite profile image79
                    getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Apparently you are the only one not able to deal with the truth.  You've done nothing but run from it since you began this thread. 

                    You are merely a blind follower, drinking the Kool-Aid.  And you're angry at us because you are not a good enough liar to convince us to drink...for we can see the psychotic delusion for what it is worth.

                    These assertions are pure GARBAGE,  and this grammar seems atrociously unintelligent.

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                      nonto21posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      Another +1 for the atheists.

                    2. Felixedet2000 profile image60
                      Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      getitrite....as your name suggest, but you seem to be getting everything from the onset wrong and clustered.....Wake up from your slumber ans face the reality of your life.
                      you can't run away from your source. Even though you don't understand, others will do.

                      Garbage comes from the mouth of those that have a lot of garb-ages in their heart, because out of the abundant of the heart the mouth speaks.

                  3. Randy Godwin profile image93
                    Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Why didn't you simply answer the questions instead of ignoring them?  You have no credibility here at all.  You've given no indication of being competent to judge anyone's actions, much less hold yourself up to a higher standard.  As I asked earlier, "who the heck are you to be putting yourself up as a role model for anyone?"  This time, try answering the questions if you want to be taken seriously.  cool

                    http://s1.hubimg.com/u/6186572.jpg

                    1. schoolgirlforreal profile image77
                      schoolgirlforrealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      btw, do you really need a "signature" ? lol

                  4. mariexotoni profile image91
                    mariexotoniposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    oh my.. now you're saying atheists don't have morals.


                    lol.

                    i was offended with this post before, but now I just think you're plain, ol' dumb and close-minded. But hey- it's probably a lot easier to conform to what most of the country believes, than trying to come up with your own conclusions. Yes, go ahead, just mimic what you're told. Act like a leech. Shows that you're a very intelligent human being.

          3. Felixedet2000 profile image60
            Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            No, that's not true psycheskinner....you are wrong about my mindset all the way....you are lost in it.

            1. psycheskinner profile image79
              psycheskinnerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              You said people who don't believe in God have no conscience.  I think that can be characterized as a closed position of mind.

    3. Ron Montgomery profile image60
      Ron Montgomeryposted 4 years ago

      Yes, but I have a fully functional penis, so I'm still happy with the deal.

      1. Paul Wingert profile image79
        Paul Wingertposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        So does a male hamster.

    4. Cagsil profile image83
      Cagsilposted 4 years ago

      Yet another completely meaningless and useless religious thread.

      Good show of the OP's inability to learn tolerance. What a joke. hmm

      1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
        Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        If it affect you the way it is, why not admit it in all honesty? Why are you guys always so quick to cast stones?

        You post more useless thread cagsil.

        1. Cagsil profile image83
          Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I just admitted that you have no tolerance.
          Cast stones? Not happening. Didn't cast any stone. Good show on your level of character and inability to deal with reality.
          Blatant lie.

          Since I called your statement a lie, now prove it's not.

          1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
            Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I will prove nothing to a mere mortal like you, not at all in this life or in the life next if you believe in it anyway, may be your world start and stop in this earth. I am not an earth man for you information cagsil. I know who i am and where i am going, i am not like some folks who don’t know anything about life itself.

            1. Cagsil profile image83
              Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              roll
              You want to deceive yourself, be my guest. But, like I said many times before, it's your belief and you have no right to include anyone else in your belief.
              Apparently you've too much ego, to understand anything properly or even in it's proper context.

              1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
                Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Cagsil, i will forever continue to pray for you until you are converted through the love of God. You don't have to tell me to stop preaching to you, because i will never ever stop. How i wish you understand this resolve, because it is not going to be by my power but by the power of that God you refuse to acknowledge. He will prove to you that if a mortal like you knows anything about existence, how much more the creator.....that's my message to you for real. Call me whatever you want, after all you atheists have call me names until you run out of some.
                We are not done and we will never be until Jesus come, this world will be saturated with the message of the kingdom of God whether Satan and his agents like it or not.

                1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
                  Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  About the fact that i have no right to include anyone else, who told you that?
                  The earth and everything and everyone belongs to the Lord. I understand your orientation that's why thread like this will never ever cease.

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                    nonto21posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    It won't ever cease because theists refuse to see the blatant truth of it. You believe there was a creator, we don't. Pretty simple.

                    The complications come when either side fails to provide a reasonable argument. The only side in which I see any amount confusion, is your's.

                    1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
                      Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      nonto Hold your brake a second. Look at yourself from head to toe. Are you not wonderfully and fearfully made?

                      Are you a coincidence life-wise?
                      Good, thread like this will never cease, you have to learn to live with it; reason being that theists are real atheists are UN-real every way you look at it.
                      People only response quick to things that affect them, this thread affect atheists and it's for them to learn the path of life, to avoid everlasting damnation in hell fire.

                2. Cagsil profile image83
                  Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  You know, your actions prove that they are not of love, right? roll So much for following in the advice of your said G/god.
                  You can preach till your hearts content, sooner of later, the world will rid itself of you and be done with you. And you won't be aware of it.
                  BS.
                  And, you seem to think I care about something which you believe? I don't care for your actions. That is my duty as a citizen of the human species. And, if you don't like it, then too bad. You speak about a G/god which you have not a mind to fathom. It's a shame.
                  I don't need to call you names and I am not an Atheist.
                  Yes, stupidity in motion will continue forever, and ever, and ever, to infinity. Too bad you've no clue.

                  1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
                    Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Don't talk about clue as though you know any Cagsil...i talk with you about God, not g.
                    You have no clue to that right?

                    How absurd?
                    I will go away from this evil and sinful world that you love so much when it's God's time for me to come back home to Heaven,
                    because I am not of this evil world OK? This world will never ever do away with me; it’s my God that will call me back home right
                    But the word of God (Jesus) remains forever and ever and ever.
                    If i die, he'll take my soul OK.

                    Him you have not but him i have...because you are not his. You will never understand this truth for eternity.

                    1. Cagsil profile image83
                      Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      Yeah, I know what you're talking about. You're talking about the mythical entity derived through fear of century old dead people.
                      But, you are of this world. Duh!
                      You will die and that's how the world will do away with you.
                      I'm sure no such thing will happen, but that's okay. Because it doesn't need to happen. Which is what you have no clue about.
                      Now, ask me if I care? Not one bit and I don't fear your pathetic definition of a G/god.
                      You cannot even fathom that the thought. I have no need for eternity. You however are the one that needs the crutch.

            2. mariexotoni profile image91
              mariexotoniposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              just started reading this "mere mortal like you"..
              oh come on.. LOL

              1. wilmiers77 profile image60
                wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                mariexotoni,

                You are running light and shallow.

        2. Nouveau Skeptic profile image78
          Nouveau Skepticposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          And who cast the first one?

          1. Cagsil profile image83
            Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            His awareness isn't high enough for him to see that. lol lol

          2. Felixedet2000 profile image60
            Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            His awareness is more than you can ever get to understand throughout eternity. He knows what he is talking about, if you are not like him you will never know.

      2. schoolgirlforreal profile image77
        schoolgirlforrealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        oh well, guess we have nothing better to do than participate in it?

    5. Randy Godwin profile image93
      Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago

      This thread wasn't meant to be serious, was it?  Reprobates are those who choose to think for themselves?  lollollollollol  Must be a baptist OP!  roll

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      1. wilderness profile image96
        wildernessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        From Mirriam-Webster:

        Reprobate:

        1: to condemn strongly as unworthy, unacceptable, or evil <reprobating the laxity of the age>
        2: to foreordain to damnation
        3: to refuse to accept : reject

        You are unacceptable and evil.  Unworthy and foreordained by the OP to damnation.  You are rejected.

        You're right - must be a Baptist.  Or Mormon.  Or Islamic, perhaps.  Whatever, I DO get the idea (s)he's religious...

        1. Cagsil profile image83
          Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Felixedet2000 is male from what I have learned. And Christian, solely based on Christianity. lol

          1. wilderness profile image96
            wildernessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Male I would not have known and have less interest.

            Christian - well, as one with a reprobate mind I suppose I'm pretty worthless at discerning such things.  I might have never guessed that startling fact.  lol

            1. Cagsil profile image83
              Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Hey Wilderness. smile lol

              1. wilderness profile image96
                wildernessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Hey yourself, you old reprobate, you.  How are things way out East?

                1. Cagsil profile image83
                  Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Things are well. And I hope you can say the same. smile

                  1. wilderness profile image96
                    wildernessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    In general, yes.  Family is around and doing well, semi-retirement is just around the corner and life is looking good.

                    1. Cagsil profile image83
                      Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      Cool! smile cool Glad to hear it. smile

            2. Felixedet2000 profile image60
              Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              You are not worthless wilderness, never will you be. Come out of yourself and see far beyond your capacity; there in the horizon your creator will reveal himself to you. You will never be the same again when you have a single encounter with God i promise you that.

              1. getitrite profile image79
                getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Yeah, your God revealed himself to me...as a piece of waste.



                If becoming like you will be the end result of an encounter with God, why on earth would anyone want that?  Your worldview seems that of a MADMAN.  Sorry I think I will take reprobate over totally insane.

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                  nonto21posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  lol

          2. Felixedet2000 profile image60
            Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Cagsil. We have been in this road before and you know that for sure. God will have you one day whether you accept it or not. You will gladly propagate the gospel of Christ even more than what Apostle Paul did. I see you spend so much energy going against your creator ignorantly every now and then, he loves you all these while and he wants you to come to him willingly, will you?

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              nonto21posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              If your friend or brother or father, should ever disuade you from your faith and you should be amongst the accusers, then you shall be the one to throw the first blow, to cast the first stone.

              The only part of the bible I truly understand. It means that if you throw stones, you are just as guilty as the rest of the mob.

        2. Felixedet2000 profile image60
          Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Wildrness, reprobate is define by one thing in life and that one thing is nature. Read this thread well, i don't think you get it right.

      2. Felixedet2000 profile image60
        Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Randy, Reprobate is as a result of a punishment from God. People here are already classifying themselves into that group voluntarily the same way they choose not to accept or acknowledge God in their heart and mind willing fully. It's always a matter of choice.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image93
          Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Yes, the same way children believe in Santa Claus until they grow up.  Some never do, though.  Grow up, that is.  Baptist are you?

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      nonto21posted 4 years ago

      I found that the bible, is God's way of saying we were his broken condom. According to the christian text; we're disgusting, vial, unworthy, hateful and sinful creatures. If God hated us so much, why did he defeat the purpose of his hate with a saccrifice?

      1. Ron Montgomery profile image60
        Ron Montgomeryposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        So Jesus is the reservoir tip keeping the sins from swimming up the holy channel?

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          nonto21posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Christians, in particular. Are told that anyone that contests their doctrine is a false prophet and therefore a bad person. They in turn, avoid every frame of refference and any form of contact, physical and otherwise. They don't bother to learn about their way of thinking, they just reject the notion all together and lose out on learning anything new or interesting about the other person. They make the assumption that their equally ill informed religious leader is right, this is wrong.

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            nonto21posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Which brings me back to the broken condom line. Why would any parent tell their kids they sucked that bad?

            1. getitrite profile image79
              getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Then hating them so badly that He made a special place, of burning sulfer and nashing of teeth, for those who don't believe...to suffer, miserably...for eternity.

              What a uber-controlling and eternally spiteful, insecure psychotic parent.

              HE SHOULD HAVE USED A CONDOM!!!  Or better yet, been...STERILIZED!

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                nonto21posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                I think a penitentiary is more suiting, maybe a death sentence. Murdering psycho killed the entire planet except for his friend Noah and his family. So he's biased and lives by double standards too?

                Why follow him then? Why would anyone see that as normal?

                1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
                  Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Great, are you ready to learn or have made up your mind to see only one side of the coin?
                  If i get your response nonto, i will write a hub detailing why there was that flood in case you don't know.

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                    nonto21posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    I've heard and read every argument you can possibly come up with. I used to be a Christian too and I used to come up with all sorts of far flung arguments. Thank God, no wait, thank whoever, I saw the error of my uneducated ways.

                    1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
                      Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      I don't discuss with a carnal mindset for your information, if i want to i can do better than you. These thread is for those who can have a rethink on their life generally.
                      This world of ours is organize beyond our understanding, What is that you know that make you say there is no God?

        2. Felixedet2000 profile image60
          Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Jesus' blood wash away sin from an earthly mortal, these are spiritual mysteries.

      2. Felixedet2000 profile image60
        Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        nonto, your understanding is way out of it. Your twisting things up. May be you are joking. God does not hate his creation in anyway OK?

        1. getitrite profile image79
          getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          At this point you have lost ALL credibility.  So you owe everyone here an apology...and please admit that you were leading us down a deceitful path, unless, God forbid, you have a reprobate mind, and refuse to admit your dishonesty.  In other words, you can try having some integrity...you know...morals.

          Leviticus 20:23 - "And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them."

          Leviticus 26:30 - "And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you."

          Deuteronomy 32:19 - "And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters."

          Psalm 5:5 - "The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity."

          Psalm 5:6 - "Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man."

          Psalm 10:3 - "For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the LORD abhorreth."

          Psalm 11:5 - "The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth."

          Psalm 53:5 - "There were they in great fear, where no fear was: for God hath scattered the bones of him that encampeth against thee: thou hast put them to shame, because God hath despised them."

          Psalm 73:20 - "As a dream when one awaketh; so, O Lord, when thou awakest, thou shalt despise their image."

          Psalm 78:59 - "When God heard this, he was wroth, and greatly abhorred Israel:"

          Psalm 106:40 - "Therefore was the wrath of the LORD kindled against his people, insomuch that he abhorred his own inheritance."

          Proverbs 6:16-19 - "These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:  A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren."

          Proverbs 22:14 - "The mouth of strange women is a deep pit: he that is abhorred of the LORD shall fall therein."

          1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
            Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Bravo, the devil did worse or may be better in your own page. Quoting the word of God to support your delusion is ignorance of the highest order.
            Read the temptation of Jesus as you keep on thumbing up the Bible instead of reading the Holy book and asking the spirit of God to interpret same to you.
            How absurd....

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              nonto21posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I was like you once. I rejected what was obvious and instead relied on what others told me. If you want to truly know something, forget that you know anything at all. Empty your cup and stop listening with your answer running.

              1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
                Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                You were never ever like me nonto, stop exciting yourself.  I am very different from what you can ever think of....Do you imagine i will empty God consciousness for satanic consciousness?

                1. kirstenblog profile image77
                  kirstenblogposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Looks to me like you already have mate.

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                    nonto21posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    His/her answer hasn't stopped, a problem of which he/she may never become aware,

            2. getitrite profile image79
              getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              No, I actually used The Word of God to prove you are a liar.  The proof is irrefutable.  And you have been found guilty of LYING.(see prior verses)  Now if you had any morals you would own up to your sins.  Of course, since you have a REPROBATE MIND, you can't decipher RIGHT from WRONG.



              Just as I thought...no decency whatsoever.  And you think that someone would want to fellowship with someone like you?  You have proven to be dishonest, immature, unjust, unintelligent, illogical, spiteful, insulting, dismissive, and a downright hater of the TRUTH.

              You have held yourself accountable to proving none of the silly assertions that you have made, and you have been thoroughly debunked, yet you go right on spouting more silly garbage.

              Completely INSANE.  Please make an appointment to see a professional.  Seriously, buddy.

              1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
                Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                You claim to use the word of God, yet you refuse to acknowledge him, a hypocrite calling someone else hypocrite....stop beguiling  people the way the serpent did to eve in Eden, if you see and know the way, don't ever try to stop innocent souls from following God Ok?
                For a note....You don't in any way know exactly what you claim to know, because that's nothingness.
                I will not in anyway pity someone who is proud and remorseless...God-wise. You are acting the way Satan does with Jesus…falsely trying to use the word of God (scripture) which was  all written about the very same person(Jesus) to even deceive Christ during the temptation……try and say something meaningful, this make no reasonable sense even to a child Ok?

                1. getitrite profile image79
                  getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Have you recently experienced some type of traumatic head injury?  Do you know if you have a chemical imbalance?  Is there something stressing you?  Is your thinking just fine, until you start talking about religion?

                  If so you could be experiencing psychosis, as you seem to be struggling with reality.  In fact, you have a complete lack of understanding of the real word.

                  Probably the most common thing that happens during a psychotic episode is that you have a lot of trouble talking straight. Your words and sentences get garbled -- all mixed up like a "word salad." Some individual phrases or sentences may make sense, but they are out of order, and you never ever address the point.

    7. Randy Godwin profile image93
      Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago

      Not me!!  I consider myself a retrobait.  cool  Git it?  yikes

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      1. Cagsil profile image83
        Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        roll

        1. schoolgirlforreal profile image77
          schoolgirlforrealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          lol

      2. Felixedet2000 profile image60
        Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        For being honest Randy, if you truly need help God will you

    8. paradigmsearch profile image90
      paradigmsearchposted 4 years ago

      "If you say there is no God, you have a reprobate mind"

      I do not.

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        nonto21posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        If I say there's no God, then I have a critical mind.

        I'm a cynic, not a reprobate.

        1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
          Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Looking for ways to cut corners in other to give false hope to those who think that way too?
          nonto, God made you to be who you are today and the breath and wisdom you are employing in this argument against who you truly are would have been better utilize for something that will forever add more values to humanity than what you are presently doing.....I will inform you of what you ought to know, because right now even the best truth regarding your entire life will be misconstrued by you in a bit to win this useless argument.

          I will do that when you least expect, and the spirit of God will minister to you, because what you truly need is an encounter(personal) with your creator;he will do that for sure.

      2. Felixedet2000 profile image60
        Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Paradigm, there is nothing that can alter the truth, life and the way to salvation of humans soul except you know and follow Jesus, who created you and everyone else. You can argue your entire latent energy out but that will not in any way alter this truth forever.

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      Bits 'N Piecesposted 4 years ago

      Just throwing it out there...The theory of evolution suggests that we evolved and survied based on the attributes that benefited our survival.  Those that did not benefit mankind were (or will be) eventually eliminated from the gene pool. 

      It is a fact that humans have the capacity for abstract thought, which includes faith and belief in things unseen.  Regardless of your viewpoint on religion most would agree that humans are unique in our capacity for advanced reasoning, abstract thought, creativity, etc.  Some animals exhibit these skills but debate still exists if it is innate or learned.  But less suppose we are if not the only, one of the select few with this capacity.

      What evolutionary purpose is there to a belief in something that does not exist?  That causes conflicts, wars, disagreeements?  That can bring hope, peace, and tolerance?  I'm not talking about just a belief in an opinion but the capacity to fathom the idea that a greater entity or being exists.  Or several entities for that matter.

      Forgive me...just a question/comment to which I personally have no answer.

      1. Trish_M profile image87
        Trish_Mposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I think that it is more a case of humans seeking answers.

        What causes thunder, lightning, volcanoes, rainbows, eclipses, tsumanis, etc, etc, etc?

        What is the explanation for dreams, nightmares, 'ghosts', 'near death experiences', spooky noises in the night, etc, etc?

        In the absence of any other explanations, the supernatural ~ gods ~ must have appeared to have been the only answer.

        In the past, when there was little education, and when the world was a more mysterious and dangerous place, with no electric lights, and with wild animals roaming around, people probably looked to 'wishes' (prayers) and 'good luck charms' and, in case of illness and injury, they probably took magical potions (they didn't know that one day they would be called medicines).

        If people found that 'God' had answered a prayer with a cure, or responded to 'bad behaviour' with a disaster, then they would fear and praise him. They would tell their children to do likewise. People would be afraid not to believe and praise.

        That's how it must have happened ~ and it continues!

        1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
          Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Trish, the answer is because these people are perverse and they act like a drowning people in a merciless ocean, seeking for the worse floating leaf to stake their life in....that's who they are.

          1. Trish_M profile image87
            Trish_Mposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Sorry, but I don't understand how your response fits with my post.

            Who are 'these people' that you speak of?

      2. Felixedet2000 profile image60
        Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Bits, is the theory of evolution your God? or the standard that dictate your being?
        Who are those mortals that wrote or state the theory of evolution? are the God?
        Why should i follow them instead of God?

        1. Randy Godwin profile image93
          Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          These "mortals" are highly educated men.  Too bad those "mortals" who made up the bible stories were ignorant goat herders, but you choose to believe them over those with much more knowledge of the world.  roll

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            nonto21posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Or have a higher understanding of science, even if it's limited.

            Just because one has a limited opinion on God, does not entail evil. It just means they don't have the evidence they need to move forward with the idea.

          2. Felixedet2000 profile image60
            Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Randy, these mortals are not educated in any wise....i appreciate their effort, because i too i am their student.

            What i am arguing with you can not be predicated on the premise of mortals words  and opinion OK?
            You are drawing me to mundane things, while i am standing on spiritual realities, far above the knowledge of any known mortal....Can't you get it?

            1. Randy Godwin profile image93
              Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              "Spiritual realities?"  lol  On oxymoron if I've heard one!  You trust science enough use it to get your message out on these forums, and perhaps you would trust scientific research for medical needs over simply prayer in time of sickness of yourself or loved ones.  In fact, I'd wager science has made your life much easier than that which would result from the knowledge of ancient ignorant mortals.  Otherwise you would still be living in a hovel with no electricity to power your scientifically based evil computer you use for lambasting the scientific community when you don't agree with their findings.

              But then, I'm positive you cherry-pick biblical scripture in the same manner unless you agree with every verse of the goat herders tales.  Do you take literally every word of the bible as truth?  lol

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              1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
                Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                What's your personal understanding of the universe and the various diversities in life in a nutshell?...let's begin from there randy instead of jabbing our cheek as though we in a boxing ring...

                1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                  Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  HA!  First you must assume you are a worthy opponent, Felix.  You've yet to respond to my assertion concerning your cherry-picking both science and the bible for what you wish them to be.  You seem to ignore questions you do not care to address.  You distrust scientists when they dare to contradict your old novel, but use the results of their work to rail against their findings.  There's a word for someone who does this.  Do you know what it is?  yikes

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                  1. Cagsil profile image83
                    Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    runs around the room with hand raised....screaming...PICK ME PICK ME I know the answer. lol

                    1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                      Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      Of course YOU do, Ray.  But does he, that's the question. smile

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                    2. Felixedet2000 profile image60
                      Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      Cagsil,don't be so void.

                  2. Felixedet2000 profile image60
                    Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Randy can we answer the question?

                    1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                      Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      Sure, I can answer questions.  You however, simply support my previous assertion of ignoring queries put to you.  You don't answer me, I do the same for you.  Touche! smile


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                  3. Felixedet2000 profile image60
                    Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Randy i believe scientist more than you do, because they don't go against the principles of God like you do OK?
                    They only discover the principles of God, the don't create any.

          3. Claire Evans profile image88
            Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Goat herders don't have occult knowledge as it is in the Old Testament and I'm sure Goat herders were not consulted when the Gospels were written.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image93
              Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Why are you sure, Claire?  Were you there?  lol  The authors of the books you hold so dear are unknown to us.  Besides this, many other writers who claimed to speak for your god had their messages thrown out of the biblical compilation because common people like you disagreed with them. 

              You are immersed in a man-made religion based on man-made writings with nothing to show any deity had a hand in it.  No different than the Book of Mormon with all of its nonsense written by a mere con man.  But as you can see, many fell for it as you've fell for YOUR favored novel.

              But feel free to show your god inspired any of the anonymous writers if you can.

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              1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
                Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                If Christians are immersed in a man made religion what are you in?
                Running around here and making comments that suit those like you is not interesting at all?

              2. Claire Evans profile image88
                Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                 

                Lol, how are you so sure goat herders made up these stories? They sure could not be authors! LMAO! As you know, goat herders back then weren't educated.  So can you really believe they made up OT stories with all the numbers involved? Do you think they had e-mail back then? Because the Bible mirrors the Sumerian Texts very closely as of texts around the world from Central America to India. 

                I think those Gospels were rejected because they could not be corroborated or were blatantly false.  For example, the Gospel of Judas has been dismissed because it cannot be authenticated.




                Oh, I have nothing to show to you but plenty has been shown to me!



                Why would the gospel writers write about a Jew who died on the cross like a common criminal and expected the Jews to accept Him as the son of God? What was their purpose? And why convert to Christianity when persecution awaited you and a horrible death? If someone said Elvis rose from the dead, I'm not going to die defending that belief.

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          Bits 'N Piecesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Felix, I am sorry, but I believe you misread my previous post...I did not say that I believed or did not believe in evolution.  Nor did I say that I believe or did not believe in God.  I merely proposed a question for BOTH believers and nonbelievers.

          Belief in things unseen and greater than ourselves is either God-given or evolutionary or possibly both, or none of the above.  REGARDLESS....what purpose does belief serve, ESPECIALLY if one doesn't believe in God...

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            Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Bits, i will tell you why i wrote this thread.....its base on one thing which is the fate of humanity.

            This subject is far above us all....we all claim to be who we are yet we don't really know who we are.

            Whether you are a Christians, pagan, voo-doo worshipper, atheist, Buddhist, Indus or whatever you can think of Faith and faithless wise.....It's all because there is a void in our understanding and knowledge about creation and our existence.
            That we have no answer to them (universally) is because we have all chosen to go our own way by becoming our own god individually.....
            The response you get is that Felix wrote this thread to insult Atheists as if atheists are the only one that questions the existence of God?

            I am a realist and a very spiritual persona at the same time....
            I love atheists resolve to challenge the unseen and the unknown, which can not be explain with physical reality(ies)…although I don’t know if they(Atheists) believe in witch crafty or may be some of them are witchcraft already.
            ....but, they do it ignorantly, i don't mean to offend them as if i know it all....

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              Bits 'N Piecesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I totally agree..."there is a void in our understanding and knowledge about creation and our existence".  Any un/organized faith and religion will say as much.

              And you're right, Atheists don't hold the title for being the only ones that questions God or his existence.  They just shout the loudest.

              I don't remember reading this verse before you posted it, but I have given it some thought.  My own opinion: the verse discusses accepting God in one's heart.  I think the deeper (and much profoundly sadder) problem is that many people have not even gotten this far out of fear.  All this intellectual breakdown of what is and what isn't doesn't really touch the heart.  God is love and just from what I see with crime, divorce, addictions, there is short supply of love going around; for ourselves, our families, and each other.  I guess the side effects of a "probate mind".

      3. Felixedet2000 profile image60
        Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Bits, be humble enough to learn if you guys truly believe you are humble, and willing to empty yourself for something new....Will you?

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          Bits 'N Piecesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Felix, For the record, I am a Christian.

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            Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Sorry about that bits...

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              Bits 'N Piecesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              No worries.  In your previous post you stated in so many words that you are a spiritual realist.  I sympathize.  Not an easy stance.

    10. recommend1 profile image71
      recommend1posted 4 years ago

      I have rarely read such a littany of blabbering claptrap.  The pathetic arrogance of being unable to understand how life works and having to replace it with a father-figure is childish and retarded.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Oh come on. Reco1!  A "litany of blabbering claptrap" is the standard fare of believers on these forums.  lol

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          Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Make no sense at all Randy....it's so cloudy.

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        Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        What do you mean recommend?

    11. cocoandcrys profile image61
      cocoandcrysposted 4 years ago

      As a devout Christian this threads greatly saddens me.  Perhaps the saddest thing of all is it is the words of the one
      claiming to be a Christian which sadden me just as much as the words of the professed atheists.  Felixdet2000, what did you
      hope to gain by making this thread? I ask because I understand your view to an extent.  Yes, God has given those who are willfully
      disobedient over to the desires of their flesh. However, by simply posting this on the forum, what exactly were you hoping to accomplish? Yes, our faith should cause us to exhort others, especially in order they might come to the knowledge of the true faith. Unfortunately, it seems you have forgotten the most important part of exhortation, which is to speak the truth in love.

      Since you have chosen to use the words of Paul to convey your point, I'll use the words of the same author to remind you of how you seem to have strayed from your intentions.

      If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. (1 Corinthians 13:1 ESV)

      To the others who have lambasted Felixdet2000 and all of Christianity, I urge you to remember just as it is inconsiderate and judgmental for Christians to refer to the characteristics and actions of all nonbelievers as one group, it is in the same way inconsiderate and judgmental for any of you to refer to the characteristics and actions of any one Christian as the reflective of these same things in every Christian who exists.

      Kyrie Elaison

      1. Cagsil profile image83
        Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Judging a person actions is something which is always going to happen. To deny that is to deny human nature. To deny human nature is to deny being human. hmm

      2. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I promise you Kyrie, if you guys will stop spreading nonsense about your faith, we won't criticize those spouting it.  Straight facts are welcome here if those of your belief can merely stick to them.  Superstition has always drawn criticism from those who knew better.  Hopefully this will always be the case, because if not, we will be overrun by so many imaginary god cults on these forums it will be even worse than it is now.  smile

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        1. cocoandcrys profile image61
          cocoandcrysposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          My name is Cory. Kyrie Elaison is latin for Lord have mercy.

          Cagsil, I didn't ask you not judge the actions of people in considering how you view them, I asked that you would not judge an entire group of people based on the actions of individuals who claim to be members of that group. 

          Randy, I always seek not to spread nonsense about my faith. However, I will not stop speaking of what the Lord has done in my life. In the same way, I would not expect you to quit speaking about your belief that my God does not exist.  I know that the things which I have experienced in my life have proven to me that the God which I say exists truly does. I pray that others who proclaim his name would not drive you farther from him.

          1. Cagsil profile image83
            Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            And I don't judge a whole group or all it's members. Just the ones I interact with who seem to fail to understand Jesus' teachings.

            I don't deal in the irrationality of the bible. The books of religion are just stories, laden with a bit of history, but locked in to old world mysticism and dishonest.

            When people use the bible to validate itself, they show how much they don't understand how "truth" or "facts" are determined. Thus, they are irrational in thinking.

            I enjoy pointing out the actions of people to those people. And, I thoroughly enjoy doing in the forums, because not only what I say to that person is seen by that person, but it is also seen by thousands of others.

            So, when I respond to a post, it create a huge impact on others, even if it doesn't do anything for the person I have responded to to start off.

            My actions of pointing out the actions of others is based on honesty. Most people don't like it when they run into someone who is more honest than them, because they see something they are not accustom to seeing from the average person. Why not? Because, nowadays, the average person isn't honest. There are more dishonest people in the world than there are honest people.

            The irony is that 95% of the world religious based in thinking. sad And, those who are religious seem to think that 5% of the world is causing all the problems. And that would be completely untrue.

            1. cocoandcrys profile image61
              cocoandcrysposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              You are correct, I hate running into dishonest people. Glad to see we could find some common ground.

              1. Cagsil profile image83
                Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                And, can you determine which of your actions are ego driven and which are not?

                I would say not because of your post is in conflict, but that's not the only thing I see from your post. I also see a person who is attempting to be compassionate and tolerant.

                But, if you are unable to provide a specific answer to my initial question, then will be cause me to understand something completely different about you.

                However, I have faith in humanity and I believe in humanity, so hope is always present. wink

                1. cocoandcrys profile image61
                  cocoandcrysposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  What do you mean by ego driven? As someone who strives to be honest, I will tell you that of course some of my actions are ego driven, because I am a broken, sinful person in need of the grace of God.  I always seek to be compassionate, because it is not my desire for others to be persecuted by Christians, but that God would speak to them through other Christians.

                  I have no faith in humanity, but I have much faith in my God.

                  1. Cagsil profile image83
                    Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    There are always some actions which are ego driven and some actions which are conscience driven.
                    I figured you would say this. To me, you're either honest in everything you do or you are not. That's the standard I hold people I talk to accountable to. If you're unable to determine which of your actions are ego driven and which are conscience driven, then you are only deceiving yourself about being honest.
                    Persecution? Yeah, I get that a lot.
                    And, you most likely attribute the problems in the world today to the people who don't do what G/god wants, right?

                    The problem in the world is people like you who have no faith in humanity, because it shows that you have no love for humanity. Which shows you don't love yourself and that you don't follow Jesus' teachings.

                    But, thank you for the conversation.

                    1. cocoandcrys profile image61
                      cocoandcrysposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      I have no faith in humanity's ability to save itself no you are right. I attribute the problems of today to the sinful nature of the world. My belief humanity cannot save itself has nothing to do with not loving humanity.

                      I am having this conversation with y'all on this thread because it breaks my heart to see people who are slowly dying and yet they do not realize it. It is my love for people which has led me to continue having these conversations with you who wholesale dismiss what I believe, rather than washing my hands of you as the creator of this thread seems to have done.

                      No one is honest in everything they do. Everyone commits action for their own selfish benefit. That is true human nature that everyone is sinful, broken, and selfish.

                      Thank you for the conversation, I pray God would reveal himself to you. I genuinely hope that for you. I'll await your witty mocking of my genuine statements of concern for you.

          2. Randy Godwin profile image93
            Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Well crappy deim to you too, Cory.  lol  I'm agnostic, so I've yet to see any facts supporting your position on the god or gods exisitng at this time.  And didn't your old novel tell your ilk to expect to be persecuted for spreading the superstitions of your cult?  I suppose WE are here to fulfill the prophecies ina manner of speaking. 

            This was a pretty smart ruse by the anonymous writers of the old myth book as it makes the "spreaders of delusion" feel they are truly doing their god's work as instructed.  Anyone who disagrees with them are merely persecutors and makes them feel embolden to continue the ruse.  "See there, Jesus was right!  But it's not because I'm wrong at all, no, no. It was foretold to be so."  lol  Standard god fare, no matter the deity.  lol

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      3. getitrite profile image79
        getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Yet there are some things that are consistent in all believers, and one of those things is the fact that they ALL suffer from paranoid delusion.

        Another thing, that is consistent in All believers, is that at some point in a debate, they will inevitably become dishonest.

      4. Felixedet2000 profile image60
        Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        cocandcrys  please for goodness sake...atheist in hubpages abuses your God and mocked him every now and then and you claim to be a Christian?...and all you can do is simply to keep quiet ...that's good for you but not for me...i will not keep quiet in a bit to pretend that i love them because that's hypocrisy....you do not love them more than i do whatsoever...stop trying to look good in their page because you and them are not of the same page....whether you believe this or not is left for you alone, I will not compromise Christ just to make cheap friend in an online pool…what a pity for a Christian like you, so lukewarm and cold.
        I have to be hard with you, in case anyone misunderstand my tone, because you are not a fervent Christian base on what you quote……you want to look good in their eyes, are you sold out?

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          jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Why, your Christ is so impotent to answer for himself?

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            Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Impotency is a disease that Satan's is suffering and all those who do not recognize Jesus as Lord of their life...You don' have to believe it or understand it for it to be true...Jesus is not here physically the Holy spirit is and i am a tool of my God.....you are not, unless yo surrender your life to him willing-fully .
            Has Satan ever reveal him-self to you?

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              jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              So it is the holy spirit who is impotent? Why this thing need silly, irrational, illogical and sometimes idiotic humans to convey its response?

              Sorry, I'm not yet on any hallucinogens.

        2. pennyofheaven profile image80
          pennyofheavenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Oh wow you don't love? Love your enemies must mean something entirely different to you then? I actually found a lot of love and humility in his posts.

          1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
            Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Penny, what's your definition of love, if not to save a lost soul from perversity and nothingness that is baseless?
            Jesus did not preach a weak message, he preach a message of power and authority by the power of the Holy spirit...he did not compromise the message he came to deliver....as his servant, he has commanded me to preach the gospel undiluted and i fear no foes...especially those hypocrite that claim to be Christians, i call them wolf in sheep's clothing...they are worse than atheists.

            1. Cagsil profile image83
              Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              That's the problem Felixedet2000, you're preaching a diluted perversion of Jesus' teachings and fail to realize it. roll

              1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
                Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                cag you know nothing about Jesus teachings.....tell me you do?

                And i will expose the hypocrisy in you.....Your statement only confirms the void in all you have been saying.

                When you know Christ you will understand who you truly are.

                1. Cagsil profile image83
                  Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Okay, I do.
                  Really? Please do try.
                  Actually, I have been speaking about your actions and your belief's irrational nature. So, my statement confirms you cannot see past yourself long enough to have a decent conversation without letting your ego which would do the talking. When you can, please look me up.
                  I already understand who I truly am.

                  1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
                    Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Glad for you though, lead other right then.

            2. pennyofheaven profile image80
              pennyofheavenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              No problems with preaching whatever you believe. Jesus messages were delivered with love. Love is not weak it is one of the most powerful forces known to man. Perhaps Jesus understood this. Love unites it does not divide. Love is forgiveness, compassion, humility, tolerance and understanding and more. This is why it is such a powerful force.

              1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
                Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                When you preach love to those who don't know love and yet refuse to acknowledge that they don't know love, what you get is insult, mockery and abuses.

                Whatever you say or belief; even if they believe the same thing or share the same sentiment; for the fact that you said it...it will amount to nothing anymore in their mind and heart.
                It is important fro every Christian to understand Atheist from this perspective….Because many times they openly deny the simplest reality or truth about life, just because a Christian said so.

                Why?

                It's because they have made a choice or informed decision not to listen to you....or whatever you have to say.

                Good...but that will not hinder Christians from preaching the word or be ashamed of the gospel of Christ at all.

                This is the confirmation of Jesus statement towards Peter....On this Rock(Peter) i will build my church and the gate of hell shall not prevail against it......Christians discusses spiritual things with spiritual undertones...while these people only understands carnal things.

                This is a statement of fact.

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                  Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Reading through your response....somehow I don't think you understand penny's point. There is no love evident in your opinion of  those holding opposing views. Don't the gospels point to the fact that God loved man first? If he had needed to get love, before he gave love...would the gospels have been written?

                  I'm as guilty as the next person of thinking you are OK, only if you  first agree that I'm OK. But, isn't that the  root of the problem? Judging by our perception of the judgement of others? Reacting always...but never following through  by taking the actions that will testify to our belief that love is the ultimate goal.

                  1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
                    Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Emile, you are very correct...it is not me who is in contention here, and Cag talk about my character as though i am the main point here....God forbid, who I'm i.

                    Response has a way of wavering our opinion and sending out the wrong signal at times. This threat is a Biblical passage, quoted within context....
                    My response might not be entirely what i mean all the time, a closer or second look might make sense a bit.
                    this argument is very logical, especially with people of different faith or no faith at all, that's what going on here; I'm sure you know. Thanks so much.

                    1. Cagsil profile image83
                      Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      Yes I did. I'm looking directly at your actions and attempting to point them out. Yes it is understood, don't shoot the messenger. However, you still have to look at the messenger and see if they are honest. If they are not honest, then anything they say isn't worthy of listening to. Character is all about honesty.

                2. Randy Godwin profile image93
                  Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  You see, this is the problem setting yourself up as the arbiter of who knows love or who doesn't, and whether they are acknowledging things they've seen no evidence of.  Who do you think you are, Dude?  You are assuming godly powers yourself, aren't you? 

                  Give us some reason, some magnificent accomplishments, anything at all which could possibly inform us as to why we should believe anything at all posted by an anonymous, judgmental, self-proclaimed preacher?  Certainly you can list a few wonderful feats, especially with you apparent ESP ability.  cool

                  PS. Love how you manged to get in the old "persecution complex" thing in just in case.

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                  1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
                    Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    RG, i am not a god, i am Felix Ok?
                    I am not assuming anything but using the Bible as a refuge, you have yours to use.

                    What else do you want that isn't in the Bible, get a copy and suite yourself well dude.

                    I am not anonymous for your information, i am as real as you are. By the way, you also have an avatar not your real pix, why throw stone, glass house man?
                    i recognize that serpent, was wondering if that's the one that deceive Adam and Eve..lol.
                    you are a great comedian G.

    12. cocoandcrys profile image61
      cocoandcrysposted 4 years ago

      getitrite, what would you like me to be honest about? I have no problems being completely honest with you.

      This is the issue which I am writing against and which seems to be lacking here. Universal statements do not work, because every person is an individual. There is no one universal which covers all true believers, except for the statement that all true believers believe in God. Universal statements about the character of people are funadamentally flawed because every person is a unique individual.

      1. getitrite profile image79
        getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        You could start by stating that your religion is nonsense, as it has been proven to be numerous times.  Also, tell me how it is that you just KNOW that the bible is the inerrant word of God... and if you don't know, why do you still insist on believing?



        And since there is no evidence for the existence of a God, whatsoever, there will be implication that affect everyone who believes such nonsense.  At some point during the course of a debate, ALL believers will, inevitably, become dishonest.  It is inherent... if you insist on steadfastly believing in a false proposition, you will have to, and must, at some point, become dishonest.



        Yet I only stated the behavior that is universal among Christians, and other believers in false propositions.  Of course every person is a unique individual.

        1. cocoandcrys profile image61
          cocoandcrysposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          As I stated earlier in this post, I insist on believing because God has proven himself true to me.  There is too much which has occurred in my life which is spoken of in scripture and which has been promised by God for me to consider it anything but proof of his existence.

          I will not state that my religion is nonsense, because that would not be a truthful statement from me.  There is all the evidence which I myself need for the existence of God in what I see around me and what I have experienced in my life.  It's called faith. Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things unseen. Hebrews 11:1

        2. getitrite profile image79
          getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Yet that was your personal experience, which you can't even PROVE to me.  You are basically asking me to accept your vivid imagination as credible evidence of the existence of God... because since you can't even prove it to me...it must be just your imagination.



          I understand...because even if your religion makes no sense to even you...you would still go on believing it.  Hypnotism?!

           

          Faith is not a substitute for evidence, my friend.  Sometimes what we have faith in only exists in our imagination...as I once believed in Santa...I had faith.



          Even if those things are imaginary?  I think that verse means REAL things hoped for.
          And the evidence of things unseen?  I don't think that means imaginary things, but things that are just out of vision at the time.  You know! Real things.

        3. Felixedet2000 profile image60
          Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Get it right....''And since there is no evidence for the existence of a God, whatsoever, there will be implication that affect everyone who believes such nonsense''

          If a mere mortal like you exist.Who are you to state that God does not exist or it has been proven? Proven by whom? and for who because of what exactly?
          Do you know what will happen to humanity in the next 1000 years? Mr. proven to be..You are not making any reasonable sense at all…..what a pity.

          God knows everything and he has stated them in the Bible which is his own word...

          Don't call what you don't know nonsense, because atheism is nothingness and nothingness means...void, null and hollow.

          Christianity is just more than you can ever fathom with your mortal brain OK? Better you keep quite than embarrass yourself openly.

          1. getitrite profile image79
            getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            And who do you think you are to assert that God does exist?  You, too, are a mere mortal.



            Are you really that messed up that you would ask such an egregiously ignorant question?



            No sir!  I would have to say that you are the only pathetic figure in this exchange.  I sympathize to the point that I urge you to seek counseling, PLEASE!



            Any TODDLER could recite such worthless nonsense.  This is profoundly disturbing that it is coming from the mind of an adult.



            Then I guess since I don't know if Thor or the Flying Spaghetti Monster is real, I should not call them nonsense.  Do you see just how hopeless your worldview is?  You have nothing but psychotic babble.



            OK, that's fair.  Now show me the evidence for your beliefs.  Show me that your religion is NOT nothingness, void and hollow.  You can't do that can you? You should now understand that you are suffering from a serious disconnect from reality.



            So what is your IQ Felix?  And tell me why it is that you believe that you possess the ability to fathom what most of the people with IQ's in the top percentile can't?



            You are the one that has acted in a completely  uncivilized, unintelligent and childish fashion, yet you think it is me who should be embarrassed?  Get real! lol

            You have evaded every question that I, and everyone else, has asked you.  You have rambled on with childish nonsensical drivel...totally devoid of meaning, never stopping to reflect upon what the other person is actually asking. 

            psychosis
            Pronunciation (sī-kō′sis, -sēz)

            A mental and behavioral disorder causing gross distortion or disorganization of a person's mental capacity, affective response, and capacity to recognize reality, communicate, and relate to others to the degree of interfering with that person's capacity to cope with the ordinary demands of everyday life.

      2. Felixedet2000 profile image60
        Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Cocoandcrys....are you really a Christian?
        Do you read your Bible with understanding of the Holy Spirit?
        I don't wish to be mean, but i have to ask you this question because what you are saying are flawed.....wake up friend...this world is compromise, the gospel is not, Christians can never be friends with this world so says the Bible (We are not of this world just as Jesus was not of this world….it takes understanding to understand this mystery dude)....because we are not of the same make---faith-wise. Diluted Christianity is atheism in disguise….
        You are either hot for Christ or cold for the world to manipulate you in a bit to look good to them.
        I love Jesus and will follow him till I die.

        1. pennyofheaven profile image80
          pennyofheavenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Do not conform to this world... does not mean you are not of this world...It means do not be as others are conditioned to be. The rest of the verse tells you how..

          Here is the whole verse if you like.

          And be not conformed to this world: but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

          1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
            Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            The standard of this world is not the standard of God...we are required to be in conformity with the standard of God...by the way i am not of this world.....i am not at all. Read my comment well...because that does not mean i am not breathing fresh air OK?

            1. Cagsil profile image83
              Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Really? Isn't the standard of G/god you're supposedly to live up to? If not, then what's the point.
              You mean, YOU are required. The fact that you continue to include ALL people is the most ridiculous part of your belief.
              Actually, you are. You were born. Duh! roll
              Yeah, it just means you're confused and conflicted.

              1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
                Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Cag, come down from your ego altitude and be humble for a second

                If you are of this world i am not, God's standard is not of this world...why don't you want to learn the simplest thing you ought to know Cag? I talk with you about God not g. there are gods no doubt and I know about them just so much, and those are the ones you know, I am very sure of that...i am not talking about them...if you want us to talk about them then come out straight man....

                1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
                  Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  The fact that i am required to conform to God's standard is simply because we all are born into sin naturally...this i am sure you don't understand, because in your page..there is no sin.

                  1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
                    Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    I use we because as long as you are mortal..the same universal spiritual principle applies......What do you know?

                2. Cagsil profile image83
                  Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  You know, you say that, but it's your own reflection. So, go look into a mirror. You're certainly not talking about me. That's obvious, not only to me, but a whole lot of people who do know me. And you're only making yourself look foolish.
                  Hey Felix, take your irrational(garbage) and try to think rationally. The bible, supposedly written by the holy spirit of a G/god, sets the standard and people are to follow it to a T.

                  If the standard of a G/god is not of this world, then the book you read is 100% meaningless, useless and nothing more the a piece of junk.
                  I have a complete understanding of life. It's YOU who do not. I have a completely rational approach to World Peace and Peace of Mind for every individual walking the planet.

                  Do you? If you're preaching something which you cannot explain or don't investigate then, you preach lies.
                  G/god? That's if you believe.
                  I would rather you didn't talk about pathetic mystic ideologies, as if they are part of reality.

                  Life itself does not require any knowledge of any G/god to be understood or lived.

                  I've written enough hubs which PROVE beyond a shadow of doubt that live can be completely lived, enjoyed, and understood without any G/god being required.

                  Don't like it? Too bad.

                  1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
                    Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    I will not pity you but you need to be pitied with all due respect. Don’t draw me into conflicts with your followers, because that’s quite cheap because it shows you are shallow the way you argue…looking for cheap support and re-enforcement in other to gain confidence?
                    I can help you out if you required any help from me; you don’t know much about life. Realistically, I have your hubs, and it’s made up of human logic..i speak to you about God’s words…Ok?
                    So absurd…I thought you can stand your ground individually?
                    What has others gotten to do with this?
                    You are in a spiritual wilderness but remorselessness will make you remain there for eternity except you change you orientation.

                    1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
                      Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      i have a whole lot of human logic like yours, but threat like this are to make our sins evidence to us, in other for us to repent and seek his forgiveness.
                      it's a threat to bring humanity back into God's standard...all you care is to stand on your ego and condemned the living word of your creator whether you accept it or not is irrelevant...God created you and made you to be who you are....don't insult him if you are humble enough...

                    2. Cagsil profile image83
                      Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      Pitied? Why in the world would I need your pity? You really don't understand what it means to live. That's a damn shame.
                      WOW! Do you think I am the only person reading your posts? And I didn't mention anything about those who follow me. I said people who know me. The fact you call me shallow because I point out that other people are reading what you say, which shows your actions, which is our conversation, is beyond all comprehension.
                      What a joke statement.
                      So you lie? No one human being on this entire planet can without any doubt know what is in a G/god's mind. So you make up things to suit yourself or you take other people's words for it? Sad you don't realize you're lying.
                      I can stand my ground. It's you who fails to realize that you're conversation and point of view is formed from a weakened position to begin with.
                      If I have to explain it to you, then boy are you screwed up.
                      Yet, another statement which directly points to your own reflection.

                      Too bad you cannot tell the difference.

            2. pennyofheaven profile image80
              pennyofheavenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              If you are required to be in conformity with the standard of God does it not make sense to you that love, compassion, humility, forgiveness and tolerance, just to name a few, that are taught are part of Gods standard.

              Renewing the mind to reveal these makes pure sense in relation to the passage.

              What part of you is not of this world?

              1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
                Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                God bless you for this question penny...not that i am going to write to please you or falsely believing we are on the same page...because as far as i am concern, I'll rather state what is written in the Bible than use my limited human logic knowledge-wise to please anyone.
                The part of me that is not of this world is my spirit....gets it? My flesh is simply earth (sand) and when i die, it'll rot away quickly.
                But the real Felix’s soul will ascend back to his creator. This is the part that i speak about, that part of me is not of this world, and that is the real me.

                My flesh will not live more than 120 years at most, but my spirit which is the image of God will never ever die forever…..do you have this understanding?

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                  jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Thank god for that honest admission!

                  1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
                    Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Jomine all i have been saying ever since i join hubpages are predicated on this premise.....God is above us all.
                    As long as people continue to gamble and manipulate those with gullible mind consciousness-wise...threads like this will never ever cease. Call it a thread from a radical Christian and you are not far from the truth.

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                      jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      God is just a concept, you took from others who came before you, to explain the world around you. The only problem is it lacks reason and logic. Belligerence and nonsense is more applicable than radical. Belligerence cause neither you think nor you like anybody who think, nonsense because what you says does not make sense to anybody else other than those who share your 'faith' and for them it makes sense not because it has sense but because they accept it without questioning.

                2. pennyofheaven profile image80
                  pennyofheavenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Yes makes sense to me.

                  1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
                    Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    stop scaring me penny....i know so many atheists don't like me for real and it's understandable...i understand their frustrations...i am not against them or anyone, but against Satan; this most of them don’t get....i love everyone the same way i love myself...and i hate it when people say i am not preaching love. Love in my page is not devoid of hard truth.
                    Truth is always bitter, it happens to me so many times; I’ll ponder and meditate about hard truth, especially the kind that is against what I think or assume.
                    I don’t call anyone name or names, or use garbage language; because I know what I say most of the time will never ever go down well with everyone. If you live in a glass house as they say ‘’don’t throw stones’’
                    This thread is not meant to insult or embarrass any group of people, but willingly you see some people openly admitting that it is against them. Is this my making or theirs?

                    1. pennyofheaven profile image80
                      pennyofheavenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      I sometimes have that effect on people. In answer to your question. I don't know, you would need to ask those who you perceive might be insulted, embarrassed or against?

    13. pisean282311 profile image57
      pisean282311posted 4 years ago

      @ts bible was written by humans and they expressed their opinion...if u ask those who dont belief in bible , authors of bible had reprobate mind...

      1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
        Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Yes, humans wrote the Bible...If you refuse to acknowledge your creator, there is no way on earth you will accept his own personal writing...the Israelite rejected God's law by being disobedient, because some of them go against the laws God gave them...the same way we do in our time, i inclusive.

        That does not in any way invalidate this authentic word of God(Bible)in any way...he gave you that freewill to choose between him and the world...and you have made your personal choice.

        I can understand your shortcomings very well and the reason you speak  the way you do.....Get this clear friend...The Bible is more than you can ever get to understanding.

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      3cardmonteposted 4 years ago

      A reprobate is defined as a scoundrel or a villain. i am neither of those things.

      1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
        Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Reprobate is going against naturally laws...decisively.

    15. MJ Dean profile image60
      MJ Deanposted 4 years ago

      You say that "a reprobate mind always gives excuses for every action that is contrary to the acceptable norms laid down by God, etc." Yet wouldn't blindly accepting the existence of a deity whose existence you are not one hundred percent sure about be another example of a "reprobate" mind?

      1. wilmiers77 profile image60
        wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        M.J., God laid down absolutes; not norms.

        God proves Himself to me daily. Why should I doubt. God has saved my life more than once. Why should I doubt?

        God allows social norms because we are under His grace thereby His permissive will. There is no neutral grounds for agnostics, and no excuse for atheist in the given of eternal life thru Lord Jesus.

        1. Jerami profile image77
          Jeramiposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          But if you wanted to think about it ??

             A person can live by every word of Christs teachings (passionately!)
          And if they do not accept "The churches" definition of what is the definition of who Jesus is;   doesn't mean that they have rejected the "Word" and Jesus
          is said to be the Word so`?  what's Up With That ?

          1. wilmiers77 profile image60
            wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            jeremi, we are pass church definition and into a personal relationship with God. We started in the mid 16th century with German Theologian Martin Luther. You must pray to God for His interpretation of a scripture for YOU. It's a sorry christian that attends church and give word service to God only. YOU must continue your journey in the Lord Jesus. Why do we still have Jesus as a mediator? He was God on Earth in human form and He goes to the Father! THE WORD IS JESUS.

            1. MJ Dean profile image60
              MJ Deanposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Wilmiers, when did I deny the existence of God?

              1. wilmiers77 profile image60
                wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                M.J., what are you talking about? I don't recall posting any comment about you denying God? Enlighten me.

                1. MJ Dean profile image60
                  MJ Deanposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  "M.J., God laid down absolutes; not norms.

                  God proves Himself to me daily. Why should I doubt. God has saved my life more than once. Why should I doubt?

                  God allows social norms because we are under His grace thereby His permissive will. There is no neutral grounds for agnostics, and no excuse for atheist in the given of eternal life thru Lord Jesus."

                  -You

                  I never suggested you should doubt. And I am not an atheist/agnostic, if you were wondering.

                  1. wilmiers77 profile image60
                    wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    I love butterflies.

                    1. MJ Dean profile image60
                      MJ Deanposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      haha me too

      2. Felixedet2000 profile image60
        Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        MJ..when you get to a pedestrian crossing while driving what do you do?

        I am responding to your top post.....that i blindly accept the existence of a deity with no 100% prove.

        Will you get offended if i tell you that you don't exist?

        I can choose to believe that there is no one like you and that will be reprobate indeed......do you believe this?

        What makes you think you exist at all, if you believe in the theory of existence?

        If you exist who made you>?

        Are you sure you are a product of your parents?

        Does this questions sound silly to you or funny?

        that's exactly how you look in the eyes of your creator with your little brain...Mine too is little when God is in view...so this is not an insult.

        All of us atheists and theists have limited knowledge of existence and life....We can expand that knowledge by going to the source of all knowledge, as long as you keep on being an accuser of the brethren, enemy of God, then this world you love so much will deny you in a very short time.
        Take this a loving message from a concern individual.

        1. getitrite profile image79
          getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          lol

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          jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Divine comédie! roll

        3. Cagsil profile image83
          Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Lie. Your actions show otherwise. Too bad you cannot tell the difference.

        4. MJ Dean profile image60
          MJ Deanposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Felixedet, almost nothing is one hundred percent. What I was referring to was blind faith; just accepting God exists because a preacher tells you so. Doing this is very different from knowing He exists because he saved your life, introduced you to your spouse, etc. Knowing and diving headfirst into a belief whose contents you know not of are very different things. Part of true faith is understanding it, as well. Too many "Christians", lots of whom I know, talk the talk but don't walk the walk.

          And no, I am not offended by you telling me I don't exist. I have often wondered if any of us do. Those questions do not sound silly OR funny; they sound philosophical.

          By informing me that I am "an accuser of the brethren, an enemy of God," you are putting much more power in my hands than any human is capable of holding. God's only true enemy is Satan, the fallen angel. I am just someone who believes in research and thought before deciding what beliefs I subscribe to.

    16. wilmiers77 profile image60
      wilmiers77posted 4 years ago

      Without acknowledging God there is nothing remaining but a reprobate mind to various degree.

      1. Cagsil profile image83
        Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        roll

      2. getitrite profile image79
        getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt90/Wes878/prayer-jesus-god-stupid-atheist-rel.jpg

        1. wilmiers77 profile image60
          wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          "I shall plant seed on stony ground, and they shall grow and prosper thereof." GOD.

      3. pennyofheaven profile image80
        pennyofheavenposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Sometimes I have a reprobate mind.

    17. MJ Dean profile image60
      MJ Deanposted 4 years ago

      There is no point in acknowledging something (or someone) you are not sure of.

      1. wilmiers77 profile image60
        wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        M.J., please pray for salvation so that you can know 100%, forever, eternally,...ect,ect.

        1. MJ Dean profile image60
          MJ Deanposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I do pray, but I don't need to be saved; someone already died so that I could be.

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      RudyRedposted 4 years ago via iphone

      Belief in god in a choice, not a social experiment. When you put those religious pressures on people and ostracize those that don't believe the same as you it creates social divisions. These divisions are unnecessary and jeopardize human progress. Beliefs should be just that, they should not dictate your place in society. That, my friend, is ignorance in its most transparent form.

      1. Rik Ravado profile image93
        Rik Ravadoposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Well said. God loves those who believe and those that don't.  Love the title of this thread by the way - I think I have a REPROBATE mind but I still believe! smile

        1. MJ Dean profile image60
          MJ Deanposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          EXACTLY! I was under the impression that God loved EVERYONE, even those who deny him. God will never deny us, even if we deny Him. I feel the same way you do.

      2. wilmiers77 profile image60
        wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        These divisions are necessary due to the fallen nature of the world. We all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Jesus said I come and bring a sword that shall divide mother and daughter, son and father. The Word of God must be fulfilled. God is a respecter of no person.

        For Christians to attack other beliefs are not right, but other beliefs attack our beliefs as Christians. I am sure that atheist won't be satisfied until all bibles are burned and church buildings sold in auctions.

        I shall continue to spread the goodnews as I am commissioned to do so by the Son of God, God among us. Human progress IS the coming into the knowledge of God.

        1. getitrite profile image79
          getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          No sir!  Unless progress means that humans go back to the ignorance of the Bronze Age, as that is the mindset of the authors of the bible.  A good lie from the "Liars for Jesus" though.

          1. wilmiers77 profile image60
            wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Yes sir! Your god is too small, and doesn't encompass all of human endeavors, neither intangibles and tangibles. My God created all things and how they work. God established all of the  principals that you know. You and your god who is probably yourself only discovered some of what and how God made things to work including us.

            Us so-called bible thumpers can see that nature is in harmony with the Word of God. We have an overall view of life and nature. You only give me incompletes; what you have observed from a lesser vantage point. You are in the woods and can't see the forest.

            God's Holy Spirit tells of things to come. God blinds the nonbelievers to His Truth.

            1. getitrite profile image79
              getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              What on earth prompts you to say such silly childish nonsense.  I DON"T HAVE ANY GOD!



              Sorry, but you don't have any God either! lol



              AHAHAHAHA!!!! lol  Do you realize just how crazy this sounds.



              I guess you see that the earth is flat then.   I guess you ARE special.



              Who would have thought that a Bronze Age book of worthless nonsense could give you such a huge advantage?  I guess God works in mysteriously foolish ways.



              That's because His Truth is a lie, spouted by clueless, weak-minded, cowardly sheep, unable to even trust their own common sense.

              1. wilmiers77 profile image60
                wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                I am very disappointed that you are so blind to God Truth. Did you make yourself? Do you know of anyone else who created themself? If you don't, than you have made the most jackass comments that I have ever heard.

                You have a long ways to go because you don't see the Truth Who is standing next to you.

                1. mariexotoni profile image91
                  mariexotoniposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  I'm sorry but you're sort of an idiot and a huge bigot.  I'm embarrassed for you..

                  1. wilmiers77 profile image60
                    wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    You are speaking from the peanut gallery. No, you can't have it your way when it comes to God.

                2. getitrite profile image79
                  getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Your logic is radically absurd. There is no reason to draw such a silly conclusion...at all!  BTW, the only one making jackass commnents on here is YOU.  Trust me!



                  There is nothing standing next to me.

                  1. wilmiers77 profile image60
                    wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    I don't trust you! Anyone who can not see the Truth standing next to them is dangerous.

                    1. Cagsil profile image83
                      Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      Must be that reflection thing. You know, the thing you apparently cannot see past and always must project onto other people. roll

                    2. getitrite profile image79
                      getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      If you were actually fit to make such a statement, I would take you seriously, but...

                      http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr75/starrman60/StraightJacket01.jpg

                    3. Randy Godwin profile image93
                      Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      What does the one standing next to you look like?  Describe his looks for us, if you don't mind.  I want to see what you imagine the one "standing next to you" looks like.  Be specific if you please! 

                                                            http://s4.hubimg.com/u/6812619.jpg

                3. Randy Godwin profile image93
                  Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Apparently your god must have created himself going by your reasoning--or lack of. yikes


                                                                 http://s4.hubimg.com/u/6812619.jpg

                  1. wilmiers77 profile image60
                    wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Lets not pull the donkey's tail on a hill. Who created God is another later subject. Question is "who created you?"

              2. mariexotoni profile image91
                mariexotoniposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                doesn't it feel weird spending so long trying to talk to people on a matter that ISN'T EVEN REAL. It only exists in their small little heads. Culture is crazy. Wilmiers77 is driving me nuts.. lol capitalizing the "t" in truth. Oh the colorful words that want to leave my hand right now..

                1. getitrite profile image79
                  getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  mariexotoni,

                  Wilmiers and I have had several debates, in which I have totally destroyed the nonsensical premises that he asserts every time, yet he persistently comes back for more...to be completely humiliated and thoroughly debunked each time.

                  This just proves the rigidness of psychosis, which is a serious condition.

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                    Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Jesus told him he would be persecuted, and darn it, he' going to make sure of it!  lol  Another self-fulfilling prophecy?   smile


                                                             http://s4.hubimg.com/u/6812619.jpg

                  2. mariexotoni profile image91
                    mariexotoniposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    lol. I really like when people like him throw out "arrogant" or "ignorance".. Drives me crazy! Can you really even call this a debate? A lot of people on here (mostly believers, whatever denomination they are, who cares) are terrible to debate with. It's absolutely no fun, when they're so subjective/one-sided, and make themselves look like a jackass. Then I start to look like an ass with the kinds of comments that I'll write.

                    I'd tell them to go to hell.. but uh.. 0=]

                    1. getitrite profile image79
                      getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      If you have ever dealt with someone suffering from psychosis, you will understand the mindset that these absurd statements come from.

                      I have a relative who believes that he talks to the dead.  I have tried, in vain, to reason with him, that his assertion is completely improbable, and that there is probably some other reason that he thinks that he talks to the dead...such as a chemical imbalance, a post-hypnotic suggestion, narcotics, sleep paralysis, etc.  But his only goal is to get me to see that he is telling the TRUTH.  He has already established a conclusion, and hates it when you keep talking about facts.  Instead of listening to reason, he has decided to HATE me.

                  3. wilmiers77 profile image60
                    wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Ha! Ha! You have given me a great complement if you mean that I have unwaivering faith.  You are shouting from the peanut gallery.

                    For real, psychosis and FAITH doesn't work in the same realm. Lets stay real and leave psychosis in the cementary of life.

    19. getitrite profile image79
      getitriteposted 4 years ago

      Yep, God through His son Jesus Christ, is the reason for the wonders of the universe...including black holes, super nova, dark matter, galaxies, gravity, subatomic particles, anti-matter, etc.

      Makes perfect sense to me.

      Now if you will excuse me, I have to go back to the home now.  lol

      1. MJ Dean profile image60
        MJ Deanposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Why can't God and science coexist?

        1. Uninvited Writer profile image84
          Uninvited Writerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I know, it did for decades and decades...

          1. MJ Dean profile image60
            MJ Deanposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            It is possible... people just need to talk things through.

        2. getitrite profile image79
          getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          First and foremost, which God?  I am just trying to make a point that there are an infinite amount of possible Gods, as well as an infinite amount of nonreligious possibilities that's the real reason for our existence.  The fact that anyone would accept this out of the myriad of possibilities is completely nonsensical.

          Of course, if there is such a being as God, He could coexist with science, but, SCIENTIFICALLY, there is no need for a god.

          1. MJ Dean profile image60
            MJ Deanposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            The God this entire thread is in debate about.

            1. getitrite profile image79
              getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              If you mean the God of the bible.  Well that God is pretty absurd.  There is no real definition of the God in the bible, as He is omniscient and not, at the same time--omnipresent and not.  Omnipotent and powerless at the same time?!

              How can something, this undefined, coexist with science?

              1. MJ Dean profile image60
                MJ Deanposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                I don't mean the God of the bible. I agree, that God is pretty absurd. Malicious, homicidal, homophobic, and psychotic, the God of the bible is more of a monster than an all-loving Father. I, however, meant the God that shows His existence by saving lives, healing hurts, and yes, sometimes taking people when it is their time to go.

                And as far as coexisting with science goes, not all science is perfectly defined. What about the theory of parallel universes? Where is the proof of the Big Bang? Of evolution? What about the speculation about tesseracts? Not all science is concrete, either, and yet we are certain it exists. No, I do not disbelieve science; I very much believe in science.

                1. getitrite profile image79
                  getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  There is no PROOF that such a god...that you have described, exists.



                  Yet the belief in any god seems to be pure conjecture, brought on by desire.

                  If it is logical that there is no god required for the creation and maintenance of the universe, why invent one?

                  1. MJ Dean profile image60
                    MJ Deanposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    There is no proof that such a God does not exist, either. You demand proof from believers, and we have none to give you. Yet where is your proof that such a God does not exist?

                    1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                      Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      The same place where you can prove Paul Bunyan, Tinkerbell, and Santa Claus don't exist either.  Can you prove they are all non-existent? Have a go at it, will ya.  lol

                                                     http://s4.hubimg.com/u/6812619.jpg

                    2. getitrite profile image79
                      getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      I fail to see how this adds any validity to the existence of imaginary things.

                      You are obligated to prove the veracity of any assertions that you make.  To ask me to disprove your assertions, is a blatant cop-out.

                      You need to show proof, or you need to withdraw your assertion.  I'm required to do nothing but observe, and judge your evidence.

                    3. wilmiers77 profile image60
                      wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      Once again, the OP stated "circumstantial".

    20. getitrite profile image79
      getitriteposted 4 years ago

      Such is the nature of psychosis.

    21. mariexotoni profile image91
      mariexotoniposted 4 years ago

      wow. Wish I could have said something as simple as Uninvited Write
      :p

    22. Druid Dude profile image60
      Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago

      But, Cag...Jesus believed in God. I also don't agree that God rested in one mortal soul. It is also clear that Jesus believed the same thing.

      1. Cagsil profile image83
        Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Actually, it isn't really clear what Jesus knew or believed.
        I would have to believe there's a G/god before I could believe it/him/her rested in one mortal soul(person).
        No it's not. The bible isn't clear about it because the bible is an incomplete book, arranged by untrustworthy people. Yes, dishonest people put the book together.

      2. wilmiers77 profile image60
        wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Jesus is God among us. Jesus has God's Holy Spirit in Him, not all of God. God is omnipresent. God predestined Man to possess His Spirit Who is in His Son. Lump it and chunk it! That's the way it is. No joke.

    23. Druid Dude profile image60
      Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago

      That is, that I DO agree with you on that last point.

    24. Druid Dude profile image60
      Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago

      Actually, I think it is clear what Jesus believed. I think that it just wasn't understood and so, was left fairly well intact. First point: If you are going to form a religion based on one fellow, wouldn't it be wise to make his teachings and those of his claimed followers more in line with each other? Point two: There is so much which Jesus said which can be consrtued in different fashions, much that is between the lines and much that is overlooked which appears to have been the intention of Jesus himself.

    25. Uninvited Writer profile image84
      Uninvited Writerposted 4 years ago

      Bicker, bicker, bicker

    26. Druid Dude profile image60
      Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago

      Carefully putting the horse before the cart. There is no PROOF that such a God doesn't exist. That is why people are still arguing about it. If you have PROOF that God doesn't exist, tell us what that might be. Please.

      1. getitrite profile image79
        getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I guess the total absence of ANY evidence, whatsoever, just won't stop the deluded mind from believing, will it?  Asserting a nonsensical concept, then demanding that the audience disprove it is absurd...and shows that you are only looking for an excuse to believe in nonsense.

        By this same logic, anything that can be fathomed, has to be given the same benefit, no matter how ludicrous(as Elvis lives in my freezer, but you can't see him). Therefore your assertion is, hereby, debunked, and the concept of a god is still denied.

    27. wilmiers77 profile image60
      wilmiers77posted 4 years ago

      mr. w., you are correct; I was once a nonbeliever, but discovered later that my atheistic views were pinhead size, and that there were actually overwhelming evidence of God and Son, Jesus. My stomach sunk when no one recognized that circumstantial evidence is an element of inductive reasoning. Development of our world, research & development, came mostly from inductive reasoning, not deductive. Mr. w, you struck fear in me with ur respond to "...dead sentence" analogy. What are you  thinking about?

      1. getitrite profile image79
        getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Funny you should say that, because I actually see overwhelming evidence of Thor.



        But your ridiculous propositions suggest no truth at all.  You should at least propose a premise based upon reality.

        1. wilmiers77 profile image60
          wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          You mean to tell me that you are not aware that the universe is overwhelming circumstantial evidence? Geez! Please don't express this around the most knowledgeable people.

          1. Cagsil profile image83
            Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            You implying it is is just more assumption based BS.

            1. wilmiers77 profile image60
              wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Cagsil, as usually, you are totally unaware of being trumped by higher education. But, I don't hold you responsible; you just haven't been exposed.

              1. Cagsil profile image83
                Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                If being trumped by higher education means that I do not have to turn myself into a talking head, then you can keep it. : lol:
                Isn't that why you exist? To make mockery of those who are aren't like you? If so, then you do a very good job, showing how limited you are in understanding of your own life, EVEN with your so-called "higher education".

                lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

                I touch people's life every day and when I do, they actually realize what I say is truth. I know because I see the smile on their face and I also see the satisfaction in their eyes.

                If you can say the same, then good on you. If not, then it's YOU who has things to learn, which apparently your higher education hasn't been able to provide you.

                1. wilmiers77 profile image60
                  wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  People get a kick out of me!!!!

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                    Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    The same results may be obtained from any jackass if you stand behind him long enough. yikes


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                    1. wilmiers77 profile image60
                      wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      You do have the ability to recognize something!

                  2. mariexotoni profile image91
                    mariexotoniposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    nobody gets a kick out of anything you say.

                    they may want to kick you though 0:]

            2. wilmiers77 profile image60
              wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Please, don't bet your life on it; just await higher eduction.

              1. Cagsil profile image83
                Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Higher education = Being like you?

                Don't waste my effort or time. I can only be me. And, I'm sorry to say this, but from what I've been told(thus NOT ME saying it)...you're likely to be out of your depth, even with your higher education.

                1. wilmiers77 profile image60
                  wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  One can not recognize being trumped by higher education. As a matter of fact, the trumped person always thinks that the Trumper is crazy.

                  1. MelissaBarrett profile image61
                    MelissaBarrettposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Obviously.

                  2. Cagsil profile image83
                    Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Really? So much for what you gained from higher education. The truth is that anyone can recognize anything depending on level of awareness.

                    I think you need to get off the computer and work on your inability to think.
                    Untrue. Again, here is some more truth for you- if one understands themselves, then they will actually have a high enough awareness to realize several things and one of those things is recognizing ego driven actions and conscience actions, and when each is happening.

                    Crazy isn't a bad thing, it can be used for good. It's only a bad thing when specific actions are taken and other people are harmed from them.

                    1. wilmiers77 profile image60
                      wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      Keep waiting; just be patience; higher education is coming.

          2. getitrite profile image79
            getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            In your worldview, you have drawn a conclusion, then gathered "facts" to prove that your conclusion was, in fact, true.  You should represent yourself in a court of law. lol

            Is this what you mean by deductive reasoning?

        2. wilmiers77 profile image60
          wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Perception of reality is hailed one day, and considered ignorant the next as things rapidly changes.

          1. getitrite profile image79
            getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Are you really this BLIND to your own awareness?

            You are aware of the mistakes that one makes when following outdated practices, yet you have completely fallen victim...to the trap...that you can actually see clearly...but can't see yourself immersed in it.

        3. wilmiers77 profile image60
          wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Thor is dead; so are you.

          1. Cagsil profile image83
            Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I would so love to see you PROVE that.

            1. wilmiers77 profile image60
              wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Sure!! If you can prove that God is dead?

              1. Cagsil profile image83
                Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Sure, if I can prove that God is dead.

                First off, I don't need to prove anything to begin with. You're the one that made the assertion Thor is dead and Thor is considered a G/god.

                So, I've nothing to prove because I didn't make the assertion. And, I know you have no way to prove it. Therefore, it makes you a liar.

                Secondly, I would have no reason to prove the G/god you believe exist is dead. I don't try to prove imaginary things are real. I'm not that stupid. I grew out of it.

                1. wilmiers77 profile image60
                  wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  That's my FAITH in God in whom I testify.

                  1. Cagsil profile image83
                    Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    I call it stupidity in motion. Why? Because, you're filled so much with ego that you've deluded yourself into thinking you know what's best for every other person in existence.

                    That would make your actions just as dangerous that the mythic god you have faith in.

                    And, that is purely nothing more than sad.

                    1. wilmiers77 profile image60
                      wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      Be still; remain patience; higher education is nearer than what you think.

                2. wilmiers77 profile image60
                  wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  primi fasie, Thor is dead. You are dead. Niche is dead. God has never winked one eye nor slumber.

                  1. Cagsil profile image83
                    Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    roll

                3. wilmiers77 profile image60
                  wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  But, you have been opposing any word of faith that I have posted during the pass year. You don't care??????????

                  1. Cagsil profile image83
                    Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    And, apparently you are so filled with your ego, as I have stated for the past year, and you've yet to realize it, while you also fail to realize what your actions say and represent.

                    Nothing like a little self-delusion solely based on ego. If for once you looked beyond yourself, you might find an even higher calling.
                    Do I care about your religious faith, yes. I care because you don't see the damage you do. I care because I have a deeper love for humanity than apparently you do.

                    You put your faith in something you can never prove to yourself exists and if you do make the claim that it's faith you believe in a G/god, then you only prove the simple fact that you cannot tell the difference between the egotistical delusion you continue to feed yourself, just so you can feel better about yourself.

                    Good luck going forward.

                    1. wilmiers77 profile image60
                      wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      Oh, I shall continue to spread the Gospel.

                      You mean to tell me that after showing some sense the pass year on hubs, you haven't learned that people must have something more than legal laws; that attitudes and emotions, and all other intangibles control our lives more than the legal laws; especially, our future actions?? What people have faith in.

                      Believe me, if one is to mature to the level of feeling some responsibility for the humanity, than he shall need God. You are still in the peanut gallery. Fellow, you are taking to much for granted, and obviously don't know. Please grow pass the thought that just leave people alone and lovely things shall happen. Please think seriously about this.

                    2. Felixedet2000 profile image60
                      Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      So Cagsil, God is illusion in your page for you care?

    28. wilmiers77 profile image60
      wilmiers77posted 4 years ago

      Ah Ha! You are running out of sufficient responses. Making broad conjectures from a typo. LOLOL!!!

      1. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Feel free to prove me wrong, Wilmiers.  What great education and accomplishments can you boast of.  I cannot imagine someone of your obvious lack of communication being in charge of anything remotely important, or someone reading your words taking you seriously as being astute.  Prove me wrong if you care to, or simply continue with your gibberish.  I predict the latter.  And if you think it's exhausting dealing with inanity, then try and think again.  lol

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    29. Felixedet2000 profile image60
      Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago

      What do you exactly mean Cag?

      1. Cagsil profile image83
        Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        What are you talking about? You responded to the thread itself, which means you are talking to yourself, yet you're attempting to ask me a question?

        If you picked a post to respond to, then I would have at least some clue as to what you are talking about?

        But, I see you failed to learn how to properly use the forums, so please do answer my question so I can answer yours.

        1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
          Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Thanks for that compliment...or correction the mistake is mind Cag. I responded to your conversation with wilmiers
          ''You put your faith in something you can never prove to yourself exists and if you do make the claim that it's faith you believe in a G/god, then you only prove the simple fact that you cannot tell the difference between the egotistical delusion you continue to feed yourself, just so you can feel better about yourself.''

          is it wrong to have faith or right to have no faith?

          1. Cagsil profile image83
            Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Hey Felix,

            Is it wrong to have faith? No.

            Is it right to have no faith? No.

            I have two faiths- I have faith in myself and I have faith in humanity.

            To have faith in anything else is ridiculous.

            1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
              Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Really? how  is that ridiculous?

              1. Cagsil profile image83
                Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Because there's no need to do so, nor is there any logical reason to apply faith in any other manner.

                If you happen to run across an Alien, you might actually save your life with any other kind of faith other than religious faith.

                Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. Knowledge is power!

                Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man religion and he'll pray for fish and starve to death.

                1. Paul Wingert profile image79
                  Paul Wingertposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  LOL It's been my experience where if you give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll just want to borrow your boat every weekend.

                  1. Cagsil profile image83
                    Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Then teach him how to get the boat. hmm

                    1. Paul Wingert profile image79
                      Paul Wingertposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      Or if you teach the man religion and he prays for fish, and actually goes to a lake loaded with fish and catches one, it's a miracle from God. If he's tought religion, prays for fish, goes to a fishless lake and ends up starving to death, well that's God's will.

    30. calynbana profile image86
      calynbanaposted 4 years ago

      I don't really understand the original post...it seems to be worded in a very offensive manner, and I do not know if it really conveys what you want it to convey. Would you mind clarifying?

      From what I understood you were saying that God gave people over to their reprobative minds and as a result they lost all sense of morality, as well as their consciences.

      I would say that the verse meant he allowed them to think what they want to think, whether it was principled or not (the whole free choice thing :p) however, the word of God is written on the hearts of every man. Meaning every healthy functioning man and woman has a conscience, and to a degree some sort of moral code.

      1. MelissaBarrett profile image61
        MelissaBarrettposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        This verse is part of the whole Sodom thing.  It's basically saying that since they didn't know God he took away the Sodomite's ability to judge right from wrong...  Then he destroyed their city because they didn't know right from wrong.

        No where does it say he took away the ability to judge right from wrong for all men... just the ones he apparently decided to make worse so he was justified in killing them.

        Sorry guys...  This is one of those Biblical horror stories you have to make amends with to be a Christian.  If taken literally and as the breath of God then it really does imply lack of free will from a sadistic God.  I laughed when he first posted the verse and wondered if he truly understood the implications.  No one called him on it though.

        1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
          Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Mellisa, that is not correct at all. Don't mix things up by confusing many people. God;giving people up to reprobate mind is talking about the fact that in life, there can not be a vacuum. When you don't have God's knowledge and wisdom you will definitely have the reverse.
          Stop confusing people please...this is not about Sodom and Gomorrah.

          1. MelissaBarrett profile image61
            MelissaBarrettposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Really?  Because there are no online bibles in which anyone who chooses to research for themselves can look it up. 

            "... because they..."  Who was the They Felix?  You poor thing... you seriously didn't know did you?  You randomly picked a verse with no more knowledge of what it was about as if you would have picked a sentence in Spanish out of a text and ran it through a translator to start an argument.

            It wasn't a threat.  God removed the ability to judge ONLY from the Sodomites.  So  unless we are decendend from the children that Lot (The "innocent" one God saved) fathered upon his daughters when drunk then we all still have the ability to judge right or wrong.  The sodomites were the ones with the "reprobate" minds.  They had them only because GOD chose to remove their morals then kill them for not having morals.  He purposely created a city of sociopaths so he could destroy them.

            Now for the love of God please read your Bible.  You are embarrassing Christians.

          2. getitrite profile image79
            getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            You should substitute the words ignorance & foolishness for 'knowledge & wisdom' then your statement will be correct.

            Because you seem to have, by far, the lowest level of knowledge and wisdom of any of the hubbers opposing you on this forum.

            What a remarkably silly worldview...

        2. Felixedet2000 profile image60
          Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Melissa, you are wrong. Romans 1:28 is the verse in context.  Why will you want to willing-fully make a mockery of your personality here?
          Read from verse 18 of Romans chapter 1...i am not surprise that you have gone through it without understanding what you read...it's simply because you want to speak against Felix...this is the word of God, not that of Felix Ok?

          It's all about God's wrath against godlessness..For your information, you think you talking against me, no dear; it's not against me, because those are not my words or writing.
          It’s God’s judgments against those who are against him. The best thing to do is to take a new leaf and make your way right with God, had it been you read it with a heart to learn God’s word.

          1. DoubleScorpion profile image85
            DoubleScorpionposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Melissa is correct...Paul is refering back to Sodom in this part of his letter.

        3. calynbana profile image86
          calynbanaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Thanks for the clarification, I need to go back an reread the Sodom story now :p Always interesting what comes up on these forums.

      2. Felixedet2000 profile image60
        Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Glad you ask....What the bible is talking about is the fact that when someone willfully refuse to accept acknowledge God in his/her heart and or mind(mentality) the repercussion is a state of reprobate.

        Reprobate is a state of being in conflict with anything divine or Godly, whether it be ideals, teachings, orientations etc about God.

        That's what we are talking about here.

        1. MelissaBarrett profile image61
          MelissaBarrettposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Nope... it isn't.  It helps when quoting verses from the bible to read the passages before and after rather than just searching on Google.

          You didn't even know who "they" was... nor did you question why a God would choose to make those who didn't believe in him MORE evil.

        2. Randy Godwin profile image93
          Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          the "fact" that..?  You see, you have a problem knowing what a "fact" is.  Facts can be proven by evidence.  Don't worry though, not many believers deal in facts, so from now on simply say, "the faith that....." instead and we'll get the message and not confuse it with being something scientifically proven.  This will help clarify things immensely and besides, your cult likes to use the faith word to explain everything anyway.  smile


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          1. MelissaBarrett profile image61
            MelissaBarrettposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Well besides the whole cult, not recognizing facts and using faith to explain everything things (Which I can't agree with for obvious reasons) I actually think that's a damn good suggestion.

            1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
              Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              You are way off Mellisa, read the letters to the Romans again with a clear heart Ok?

              1. Cagsil profile image83
                Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Why you didn't. lol

                1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
                  Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Cag, she is not telling the truth...not funny at all. You can laugh yourself out.
                  That's not what the Bible is saying at all....where she got that from only God knows...i see how you can be easily deceive....wow. Good to know that after all.

                  1. Cagsil profile image83
                    Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    No, what's funny is that you seem to think you are telling the truth, when someone with a HIGHER EDUCATION than you, just corrected you.

                    1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
                      Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      Higher education indeed? Wow, what a funny statement i have come across today.

                      By the way i don't expect you to know what she is talking about anyway....pointless, arguing that passage with you. That’s not your concern at all. We are talking about God here as I earlier made it clear to her.
                      It’s not about my person or personality, it is about the word of God who created you, you fail to know who created you and you dare talk about education with me?
                      How absurd….

                      Jesus was not educated in any school brother, do you know that fact?
                      But he is an epoch making man OK?
                      What i speak with you can not be decipher with educational accolades and accomplishments

                      Mellissa might be the most educated person in this whole world, I care less, she does not understand God in any way. That’s not education in my page; it may be just that in yours.
                      She is wiser than you for acknowledging her distorted version of the Bible ignorantly.

                    2. wilmiers77 profile image60
                      wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      Cagsil, you mean a pin head who see no farther than pass his nose can claim higher eduction?

          2. Felixedet2000 profile image60
            Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Randy Felix has no problem.....stop teasing yourself man.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image93
              Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Right.  Everyone is wrong but you.  And another thing, aren't those witnessing for Jesus supposed to do so openly without hiding their identity?  Aren't you ashamed to hide behind behind a wall and shout out through a window with your message?  Were those who preached for Jesus hiding behind anonymity while spreading the word?  Are you afraid to let those who you wish to follow your faith see you for who you are?  lol 

              Where's your faith your god will protect you for serving him?  Who would dare risk their soul for an unknown persons word?  Think about it.  For all we know you could be a criminal of some sort.  Show your faith by identifying yourself openly before preaching anything requiring faith.  Geeze Louise!!

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              1. getitrite profile image79
                getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                He could be another Jim Jones, trying to condition us, before convincing us to drink the toxic Kool-Aid.

              2. Randy Godwin profile image93
                Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Somehow you missed this question, Feelix.  I'm sure it was merely an oversight as a true christian would not ever purposely do so.  So I though I'd help you out by reposting it, so you can answer it now.  Thanks!  cool


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                1. wilmiers77 profile image60
                  wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Proof for God? We have been telling you from jump street that we have Faith. The Faith reveals the truth and proof to the one believer who have the FAITH. So, it's like the atheist doesn't even see the mountain from which we call, bound to live in the crap on the valley floor.

    31. merry88 profile image60
      merry88posted 4 years ago

      Have you tried asking Jehovah's Witnesses. trust me, most relligious leaders today are nothing but fanatics. I really got a better explanation from the witnesses. The bible you see today takes devine intervention to understand. So my friend, do not give up hope in looking for God. if your heart is true and laong with sincere prayer you will find him. There are supernatural forces guiding our lives, where do you think these forces come from? The truth is that supernatural biengs do exsit, they are the forces of evil and good. If one is called satan, then the other is called Jehovah.

      1. getitrite profile image79
        getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Jehovah's Witnesses are fanatics just like the rest of the deluded minds.

        1. merry88 profile image60
          merry88posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          you never know until you try

          1. MelissaBarrett profile image61
            MelissaBarrettposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            He's right.  I mean I didn't KNOW before I tried peeing standing up that it would just run down my legs and puddle around my feet.  I mean I realized the laws of physics said that it would.  I had heard from other women who tried it (while drunk) that it would happen. I also knew that when my water broke with my children that happened...

            But for some reason I thought it MIGHT be different with pee.  I just had to try it because despite all reason and evidence to the contrary I thought I could write my name in the snow.

            It would have worked too... If my name was "."

            1. Randy Godwin profile image93
              Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              lollollol  Melissa...I.....you.....never mind!  lol


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          2. getitrite profile image79
            getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            What makes you think I haven't tried it?

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            Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            As a person fascinated by the break away sects I can assure you. I've given the Witnesses ample room to present their views. I have found them to be some of the most delusional among the religious I've encountered.

    32. paradigmsearch profile image90
      paradigmsearchposted 4 years ago

      If you say there is no God, you have a reprobate mind
      This is another title that needs to come to an end...

      1. paradigmsearch profile image90
        paradigmsearchposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Wandering...

        1. Randy Godwin profile image93
          Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Wondering...




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      2. Felixedet2000 profile image60
        Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        paradigm...Simply because you have exhausted all you have to defend yourself with?
        I thought you guys said i was defending my God?
        Wow, the earth and everything in it belongs to our God.

        Randy is wondering,...That's what has been assign to the viper(serpent)..always crawling on its belly...The anonymous eagle(Felix) is souring higher and can see every demonic serpent.

        No mortal in this world can stand against the word of God for eternity.
        What logic and scientific proof is there to substantiate the non existence of God....Perversity is worse than death.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image93
          Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Yes, an eagle soaring high over everything.  lol  Eagles are also carrion eaters, Feelix.  Merely buzzards which occasionally kill their own prey.  I watched a bald eagle run off a deer carcass the other day by a couple of crows.  lol 

          Can you prove any of the ancients gods don't exist, Feelix?  If you cannot prove they are imaginary then does it mean they are real?  This is the same logic you are pathetically using to back up your argument for your imaginary god.  So, have at it. Either prove those other gods are imaginary or stop using this inane logic as an excuse for why yours isn't.  yikes  Don't run off and hide now before offering your proof!  lol

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          1. wilmiers77 profile image60
            wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            You have not the view that Felix of which speaks, and never have, and with your belief of opposing God never shall.

            The Greek-Roman gods lived in the minds of the people as spirits. God, "Commander of all gods", lives in our minds as a Spirit, and materialized as Christ Jesus.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image93
              Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Who cares what you think, Wilmiers?  You are worst spokesman any god could choose to represent it.  lol

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              1. wilmiers77 profile image60
                wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                This means that I am pleasing God since a dead head atheist made your comments.

                1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                  Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  What is it with thee "head" comments, Willy?  It's always "pin head," "dead head," or something similar.  I don't recall Jesus using those insulting names to describe anyone in the Bible.  Does this make Jesus proud of you, Willy?  Is this how your old book teaches you to spread the word?  Yes, you are a shining example of true christian love and tolerance.  Perhaps you can answer the questions for Feelix.  He's frightened now and needs some support.  Help him get out of this mess if you can.  lol


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                  1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
                    Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Randy my pal...and my very good pal, i love your resiliency, but you can do better than Paul who turn out to be the Apostle of the gentiles for that Jesus he oppose the most ignorantly until he was blinded with a strike from Heaven........
                    God will save you whether you admit it or not...in his time he will definitely do that which he has for you.
                    I am very convinced about this truth.....You will preach his word more than any one you can think of.
                    i am not preaching to you, God is.

                    Jesus will strike you more than he did Paul on this mission of opposing  him that you love so much on earth...this is not a threat because Jesus is Love brother...it is a prophesy of God about who you truly are......so wise and knowledgeable yet using it to oppose your true personality?
                    Why will any one choose to do that?
                    You are wiser than where you choose to domicile Randy….Try looking up to Jesus, the author and finisher of your faith…in him you will have life abundantly. Taste and see that the Lord is really good, at least for once…please pal.

                    1. Nouveau Skeptic profile image78
                      Nouveau Skepticposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      No, *you* are preaching.  And that is why this cycle continues.  Ad naseum.

                    2. Randy Godwin profile image93
                      Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      Try sticking it, Feelix.  I've given you ample opportunity to back up your lies to no avail.  I[ve asked you to prove your silly claims and you die behind your silly little beliefs.  No, if there were such a Jesus as you proclaim he would want you to be proud of your faith, not afraid to reveal your true identity like a thief in the night.

                      My identity is here for anyone to see and to find me if they are so willing.  I can back my words with deeds and truth while you scurry around boasting of a god you are afraid to represent.  No, you've been given a chance to show how honorable you are and have failed miserably as a spokesman for any deity, real or imagined. 

                      No, you are no different than Wilmiers with his embarrassing. childish name-calling.  Enjoy your idea of heaven.  With people like your and others going there, it is my idea of pure hell.  Carry on with your frightened rantings.  Hide yourself well so you won't be so scared.  lol 

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            2. Felixedet2000 profile image60
              Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Wilmiers, the spirit of  God is indeed in you.....what you just said is a mystery that can not be fathom with a carnal mind.

              In his love always.

          2. Felixedet2000 profile image60
            Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Randy my pal, do you mine if i call you that for a start?


            i will talk with you heart to heart if you care...can we?

            To answer your question....i can prove that those ancient god/s were not imaginary. but a little more than what you and i know may want to accept.

            firstly gods are real, God is real....that's my stand.

            God is the God above all other gods....there are gods and principalities. There are powers in the heavenly realms....you don't believe there are, while i do.....It is quite understandable, diversities and varieties makes life meaningful all the way.

            I view the universe spiritually, you may not be on that page....If you refute what i say, it doesn't prove you right in any way.

            I am 100% convince of what i know...i don't know if you have any personal experience ..have you randy?

            1. Randy Godwin profile image93
              Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              No, pal is better than "pinhead" which Willy seems to enjoy calling those who disagree with him. lol  And sure, if a heart to heart talk means answering questions when they are out to you.  I'll do the same with no problem.  You say you can prove the ancient gods were not imaginary.  If so, then you are world's first to do so.  So i can't wait to see your proof.



              I hope this isn't your idea of proof, because i can make the same statement about the Easter Bunny.



              Simply a statement anyone can make about anything with nothing substantial in the entire paragraph.  You get nowhere with such baseless statements.  Try again.



              In other words, logic, knowledge, common sense and, education are all lost on you.  Why would anyone wish to be so ignorant to be favored by a god of any sort?  So why do you hide while spreading the word?  Is this what Jesus taught you to do? 

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              1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
                Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Randy i will be philosophical with you henceforth....you know me and i know you real good.

                I am not hiding, because the viper can strike at the slightest opportunity. I am always awake my pal.
                The serpent is a subtle animal, you are indeed a genius, don't forget the fact that i am hovering above you avatar-wise…..As long as you are anonymous, I will be…..hear the word, not the person who deliver the word.
                We are talking about mystery pal.
                Not like the devil seeking whom to devour, but as a servant of God seeking whom to save by the power of the most high.

                Can i prove that i exist?...the answer is no, can you prove that you don't exist?
                The answer is still no....do we all exist? And the answer is yes....Quite easy to digest.

                If God does not exist, how come the English and every other tribes and tongue have a name for him...distinctively worldwide?

                If Satan and gods do not exist, that means the whole human race is in a wilderness of foolishness and ignorance; according a non existing entity/ies names ....how did they come about that?
                May be atheism is the new religion, are you religious? If you are, I am available to be carried along..

                We were born into this world, and we are not responsible for the name ‘’God’’, ’’Satan’’, ‘’Evil’’, ‘’Good ‘’and ‘’Bad’’.
                Are you wiser than every one else, including those that were before you?


                This is more than a prove......it  will be foolish to prove otherwise.

              2. wilmiers77 profile image60
                wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Man's knowledge, logic, and reasoning shall always be too short to argue with the Living Word of God Who manifested as Christ Jesus.

                "Science is Blind without religion.", Albert Einstein.

                1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                  Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  As if you knew anything about knowledge, logic and reasoning, Wee Willy!  lol

                  "There's a sucker born every minute."

                                               P.T. Barnum




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                  1. wilmiers77 profile image60
                    wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Randy, appears that you are not only blind spiritually, but also physically blind. I won't start bragging on my achieved credits because I take a back seat to Jesus Who paid my sin debt. I will drop one hint; call the National Physics Honor Society in Richmond, VA, and ask who was inducted for life in 1992, and Inductees can submit papers to be presented at national and regional meetings. This is all pure physics with mucho logic and reasoning.

                    But, this is nothing compared to Christ Jesus as master of my life.

                    1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                      Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      Oh No, please do brag, Willy!  I do find it hard to believe anyone with your disability at spelling and reasoning would be honored at anything.  I suppose some groups don't really care too much for literacy though.  But please, if you are such a physics scholar, explain to Feelix how anti-matter can cause something to form from nothing.  Any physics major should be able to do this and it eliminates a god as needed for the creation of the universe.  Of course, you already knew this if you are what you claim to be.  I'll be waiting for your concise explanation.  lol

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                  2. Insane Mundane profile image59
                    Insane Mundaneposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Yep, but most suckers are also ignorantly blinded by the "Powers That Be."   Oh, my, don't we have a huge mesh of those...  In all directions, of course.  hmm

                    1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                      Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      Your username is quite precise.


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    33. paradigmsearch profile image90
      paradigmsearchposted 4 years ago

      knock.

      1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
        Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        That's a technical knockout for atheism ideologies.

        It is completely meaningless, you will never have a clue of this non-belief..and even if you have, it's due to conspiracy you have willingly aspire to propagate...

        It is either you acknowledge God and live a life filled with love and compassion...or you have the reverse...you know what i am talking about.

        I don't hate atheists,don't get me wrong dude. I hate Satan who is the father of this brainwashing ideology.

        It has failed even before it started....get that?
        There is no force, no power, no principality in high places that can stand against Jehovah(God).
        We talk about him, we don't talk about educational qualification; be it higher or lower...these are mundane issues.
        When God is in view, mundane is nothing.

        Too bad, many people have been lured into the wilderness of spiritual darkness by Satanic ideologies.
        Does Satan love?
        Does he have passion and compassion?

        God is love if you must know....i am not against any creature created by God, as long as you are human; you are a son and daughter of God..because you have his breath.

        Acknowledge him for that is the wisdom that is above all other earthly understanding and knowledge; This is my message to everyone.

        You guys can run away now.......Or choose to continue with empty messages.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image93
          Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          See my last 2 posts.  Your response will tell much about you, if you dare answer the questions.  smile

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          1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
            Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Take it easy Randy...i will never run away from any mortal...never in this life or the life next brother.

            Questions answered.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image93
              Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              No, you didn't explain why you hide your real name while attempting to spread god's word.  Is this how Jesus told you to do it?  Aren't you supposed to expose yourself to the sinners to show your faith in your god?  Who wants to risk their soul on the words of an unknown stranger?  And you haven't disproved or proved the existence of any of the ancient gods, including the one you anonymously vouch for.  Not even close.  smile


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              1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
                Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Jesus did not hide, and he was caught and kill in other for me to have life....don't forget the Bible advices me to be wiser than the serpent.....
                Are you surprise pal? The work and the deal has been done at Calvary...The rest is victory songs endlessly.

                That venom of the viper is what i have been trampling upon because it is powerless when i am in view, i am filled with the spirit of God......
                You know what i mean don't you?

                I bet you will not say no.

                1. getitrite profile image79
                  getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  NO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN.  JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!  ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!
                  Just how long will you keep evading the question?

                  How completely dishonest can one person be.

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                    Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Liars for Jesus!  Another one bites the dust.  No different than any of the other religious trolls who show up here.  I'm through with this guy.  He knows even less than most.


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                    1. getitrite profile image79
                      getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      I'm certain this is someone corresponding deep from inside an institution.

    34. paradigmsearch profile image90
      paradigmsearchposted 4 years ago

      Ya know... HP is missing out on a fortune in advertising revenue here...

      1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
        Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Good to insight...paradigm....How did you know that?

      2. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Not really.  Same old claims and same old excuses for not backing them up by the same old anonymous bible thumpers.  They hurt their cult way more than help it.  None of these guys have anything to offer but self-proclaimed, judgmental opinions.  Sad but true.  smile

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        1. Felixedet2000 profile image60
          Felixedet2000posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          That's because you choose to blind your reasoning...open it up pal.

          Between myself and yourself.....who know more about  spirituality and mundane issues?

          I care for the former, you care for the later...I'm i correct?

    35. Randy Godwin profile image93
      Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago

      No one gave their life for anyone, Wilmiers. According to the myth book, dad simply brought junior right back.  No sacrifice at all for the big guy or his boy.  Gods do not sacrifice anything because they can replace anything at will, just as yours did.  Big deal sacrifice.  Aren't you glad you don't have to burn a cow now?  lol

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      1. wilmiers77 profile image60
        wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Jesus died as a man on Earth, and rose in His glorified body, and accented into heaven after 42 days. God, Jesus, and I and Felix are planing to place Jesus' persona in YOU. Happy days for YOU!!! Resurrection for YOU from the spiritually dead!!!

        Than, you shall call your old self a dead pinhead, and we all (including you) shall laugh with joy.

        1. getitrite profile image79
          getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          ...then I'll huff and I'll puff and I'll blo-o-o-w your house down...whoops, sorry, wrong fairytale.  But do continue with yours.  Then grow up and live as an adult.

        2. Randy Godwin profile image93
          Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Heaven forbid!!  The very last thing I ever want is to be like you and Feelix, Willy!  I'd rather remain literate and knowledgeable.  I have no desire to appear so dead to the world of reality.  No thanks, keep your silly beliefs to yourself, Willy. 


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          1. wilmiers77 profile image60
            wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I shall continue to pray for YOU to find your true self in the Lord Jesus against your request not too because I know the Spirit. Seeds have been planted. "The Word of God does not return void; for it goes exactly where God wants it to go; it accomplishes exactly what God wants it too, and it prospers thereof."

            1. wilmiers77 profile image60
              wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Don't belike Felix and I; be like Jesus.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Jesus was technically a bastard, Willy.  No thanks. smile If you are an example of a christian--and from my experience you are--I want no part of the shameful nature. 


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                1. wilmiers77 profile image60
                  wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Randy, favorite son, you popped up like a kernel of corn that pops if compared to cosmic time. Prior to your popping up, millions and millions have received the Holy Spirit, the Spirit in Christ Jesus, and have testified almost identically about the experience. Have lived their lives thanking God that they had the experience.

                  AND, YOU call Jesus a liar??? He is the Son of God, not a bastard at All.

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                    Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    I suppose you have a copy of his birth certificate, eh Willy?  Actually, there is nothing to show he ever existed and probably didn't.  No contemporary historians mentioned him at all in their writings and all of the info concerning him was written long after his supposed death.  Some of it hundreds of years later.  Why was that?  Where is all of the facts wrote during his lifetime if he was such a marvelous being.

                    Nope, it's simple to create a legend long after the main character is long gone, as well as, those who possibly could vouch for or disparage him.  Very convenient for those making up the tale, isn't it?  Yes, lots of coincidences in the old novel.  lol

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                    1. wilmiers77 profile image60
                      wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      The same reason people don't or do believe in UFO's and stories of kidnappings by aliens, genuis. Paralell this, genius!

            2. Randy Godwin profile image93
              Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              So I suppose god wanted you to appear ignorant? 


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    36. Insane Mundane profile image59
      Insane Mundaneposted 4 years ago

      Sort of like Randy Godwin, who decides to get all fussy if you decide to mention anything like quantum entanglement, a cosmic unity, the fabric of the universe, or anything else that the Powers That Be doesn't allow his poor mind to think about; pull your head out of the sand Randy, and quit acting like you need constant approval by the masses...or a cookie from the jar, for that matter; dang!  Where do you people come from?

      1. Cagsil profile image83
        Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        And look who's talking. lol

        1. Insane Mundane profile image59
          Insane Mundaneposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Oh, no, if I get fussy it will be obvious, trust me.  I hardly call being polite, as being fussy, but having an inferiority complex along with senseless baby babble in response, is another situation.  Perhaps ya know all about it?  LOL!

          1. Cagsil profile image83
            Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I'm not so sure of that, but if you say so.
            Inferiority complex? WOW! Is that what you perceive Randy's posts as? Interesting perception, even as skewed as it is.
            Yes, I am aware it happens more often than not. I tend to get it more often from the religious than I do from any other thinking person.

            Most of the time, Randy simply points out the irrationality of religion and it's bogus books. I just went through your hub "God Is From Another Dimension" and found it interesting. However, you don't make any description for "what God" you are talking about, which I can understand why you have very few comments on it.

            Your hub is nothing more than a rant against others. Good job.

            1. Insane Mundane profile image59
              Insane Mundaneposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              If you have any comments about the few Hubs I have written here, there is a 'comment field,' as I welcome any different ideas or types of responses that anyone may want to offer and/or provide.

              Yes, I do consider some things as an inferiority complex when people constantly bring up negative things about another's intelligence.

              Why?

              I don't go around calling everbody stupid, yet I quite often get accused of being condescending or trying to act as a God.
              I've even seen people accuse you of such, which is why I said that last part.

              It seems that the more I try to permeate deeper thinking, the more I get resistance.

              Maybe I'm Insane, but whatever happened to trying to seek greater awareness and, at the very least, using your brain!

              1. Cagsil profile image83
                Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                I would have to be truly interested in leaving a comment. However, I didn't read all of your hub. You started out the hub claiming that it was going to be short? I can just imagine what you would consider medium or long. roll
                The negative things you're claiming are an inferiority complex were the result of the religious in this thread tell people they are pin heads or need a higher education. It's a good thing I don't have a reflection problem like most.
                Because, your action are compounding the stupidity of others, yet you are failing to see it.

                1. Insane Mundane profile image59
                  Insane Mundaneposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  The Hub you are referring to is not long; dang, I'd hate to see what you call short!  Yeah, whatever excuse floats ya boat...

                  Oh, now you're blaming other people's actions on other people; great!

                  Yet again, you are blaming others for the lack of response to my statements; okay, uh, I guess...  roll

                2. Insane Mundane profile image59
                  Insane Mundaneposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Okay, whatever excuse floats your bloat...
                  The Hub you are referring to is not long, by any means, as I'd hate to see what you consider short.

                  Oh, now you are blaming others for being the reason why I received the low-grade responses...  Uh, yeah, whatever ya say; LOL!

                  [Edit:  My original reply didn't go through, but it now appears, which is why the last two seem similar.]

      2. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Your opinion means nothing to me, sweetheart.  Willy claims to be on your level of education, I now believe he is correct.   I'm out to impress no one, especially another anonymous windbag.  I've wasted enough time with those today. Go find your own cookies!  lol  So long! tongue

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        1. Insane Mundane profile image59
          Insane Mundaneposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Yep, such a typical response from somebody that believes they came from a magical mound of nothingness...  Ha!

        2. wilmiers77 profile image60
          wilmiers77posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          We leave you with your robotical friends of logic and technology, and show me, I can't see it, and no intangibles. Machines are going to continue to take over. I sure there is a place for Randy and Cag.

          1. Cagsil profile image83
            Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            lol lol

          2. Randy Godwin profile image93
            Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Just as long as you leave. 


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    37. MelissaBarrett profile image61
      MelissaBarrettposted 4 years ago

      This is how I feel right now...


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      Except for some reason I want to throw down a twister board for y'all and cook up some lime jello...

      1. Insane Mundane profile image59
        Insane Mundaneposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        ...My hand slowly raises for the popcorn; LOL!

    38. Cagsil profile image83
      Cagsilposted 4 years ago

      I'm placing blame on the initial individual who started it, instigated others.

      I'm not saying Randy is right in his action. His actions are a response to the action of others initial action.

      It is helpful to know where to place blame instead of placing blame on everyone.

      1. Insane Mundane profile image59
        Insane Mundaneposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Oh, but forums are known for their beloved tendencies for people to interject, eh?  All in good fun, of course... Ha!

    39. Norah Casey profile image80
      Norah Caseyposted 4 years ago

      This thread is now closed due to a large number of accurate personal attack flags.

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