New Hubs Not Being Crawled By Google:

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   davenmidtownposted 11 years ago

   Staff@hubpages.com:
   
   So I published my second hub in a very long time. The last hub publised was not crawled by google for days on end. I ended up having to manually submit it. Fine! 
   
   A few days ago, I published a new hub... http://davenmidtown.hubpages.com/hub/En … ving-money This hub also has not been crawled by google. I have done nothing different than I have with any of the other 200+ hubs that were published here and crawled.
   
   1) The hub WAS crawled by yahoo.com
   2) What is the problem?
   3) Why does this keep happening?
   4) What can be done about it?
   
   Thanks dmt!

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      The Dirt Farmerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Hi! I've been following your forum, hoping that an improvement in traffic will occur as the issue is addressed by HP. For whatever reason, traffic to my hubs from Google has dramatically decreased--from over 300 per day to under 50 per day. It's very discouraging as I been trying to do what I'm pretty sure that I'm supposed to in order to get noticed--write evergreen content with original photos. At this rate, just about all of my hubs will soon be "idle," which will only exacerbate my no-traffic problem. I need a hug!

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         davenmidtownposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         HUG! It is very frustrating. They have really just done some things that detract from all of us. It irritates me to no end that there are "hubs your might like to read" between my hub and my comment section.  I don't want people to leave my hub to read someones hubs. I want them to stay on my page and leave a comment. I don't want them to wade through distraction garbage so that HP can gain more ad views.  It is not helping me to have that crap there. I am further irritated beyond reason... that they have listed other authors on MY profile. I don't know these people... I don't want them there.  I did not recommend them. I have not even read their work. Not helping me if I attract someone to my profile and they are presented with a choice of who to read..... All this does is increase revenue for HP.  They say it is about the reader... F the reader and pay attention to your writers... without writers... you wont have any readers.

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            The Dirt Farmerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Sounds like you need a hug, too, Dave!  OMG, even when I type in the exact title of my new hubs AND my profile name, they don't appear in Google searches. Hubs I've updated show up with the word "next" in front of the title. What's that about? I hope this changes soon. If there's no audience, there's not much reason to write, but ... I'll keep at it for a bit more in hope! (:

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   Daughter Of Maatposted 11 years ago

   I wonder if it has anything to do with the delay the idle hubs thing causes? Our hubs aren't seen by Google for 24 hours after we publish it. I don't know if it has anything to do with it or not, but it's just a thought.
   
   I wonder if them not crawling our hubs has anything to do with the huge plummet in traffic?

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      davenmidtownposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      My inside source stated that it has been placed on idle for not receiving enough traffic... odd because I really don't receive much if any traffic from hubpages... I receive almost all of my traffic from google.com, google, ca, google.uk, bing, and yahoo.

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         Daughter Of Maatposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Actually none of my hubs are idle at the moment (knock on wood) but all of our hubs are put on hold for the first 24 hours. I think that's part of why Google isn't indexing them. While their on hold they get a no index tag...
         
         GGrrr

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   JKennyposted 11 years ago

   I've had the same problem, it seems to me that the idle hubs feature is having some sort of effect on our hubs being indexed by Google. I've recently copied and pasted six of my newest hubs into Google, and none of them came up. So, like Dave I've had to manually submit via Webmaster tools; I don't mind doing that, but I think the delay may discourage a lot of new hubbers from writing anything- just a thought.

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      davenmidtownposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      JKenny:  I mind having to do that because I never had to do that before... It really pisses me off... and I am fairly calm as a person.

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   honeybee2uposted 11 years ago

   Thank you for posting this thread.  My hubs published in the last two weeks are yet to be crawled by Google.  I'm wondering why this is happening.  Any help on how to submit our hubs manually would be appreciated.  Otherwise, it is discouraging.

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      davenmidtownposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Here is the link to manually submit your hubs to google: 
      https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools … &pli=1

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         Marcy Goodfleischposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Thanks for posting this, Dave - is there any benefit (or not?) in running our profiles through that, or just our hubs?  Still learning here!

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            davenmidtownposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            if you copy and past your profile link into google search... your profile should come up... if it doesnt than submit it via the manual link.... since our profiles are not view related... they should be indexed automatically...

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         KrisLposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I used your URL above & submitted my new hub to Google yesterday and it worked by this morning..

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   Marketing Meritposted 11 years ago

   Do you ping your hubs once you've published them?
   
   Just quickly checked on Google and a hub on automatic WordPress updates, that I published on 29 September, is already indexed.

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      davenmidtownposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I don't ping my work... I used to include my name as a tag... and then I could j ust search for my name on google and find all of my work. Not sure what they have done but they have changed that so now I get all the other crap associated with my name... I did not want to have to do one more chore in an already NOT PASSIVE line of work.

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         Marketing Meritposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I truly get where you're coming from with this Davenmidtown but honestly, pinging takes less than a minute and the advantages far outweigh the disadvantages in my humble opinion.
         Why not test it out on your next hub albeit for experimental purposes, to see if it works? I use Pingler.com to ping my hubs.
         Also, now that we have subdomains on HP it's easy to see what is indexed by typing  the query "site:" followed by your domain name.
         In case that's not clear, I type into Google....
         site:marketingmerit.hubpages.com
         Hope this helps

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            davenmidtownposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Thanks all helpful tips...

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   WryLiltposted 11 years ago

   I've found that hubs aren't indexed since idle mode was introduced. I just ping and/or tweet them and they're indexed pretty fast.

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      davenmidtownposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      This was supposed to be a passive line of income... it now take more work then turly it is worth...

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      Danette Wattposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      How do you "ping" your own hub?

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         Marketing Meritposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Go to Pingler.com and enter the url.
         
         They are many other pinging sites out there Danette. This just happens to be the one I use for my hubs.

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            Danette Wattposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            thanks!

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   Greekgeekposted 11 years ago

   I tried manually submitting my last new hub to WMT a few days ago. No luck. Today it's eleven days old and still not indexed. It got about 40 visits from Hubpages followers and another 60 or so social traffic from places where I shared the link, then zero, zero, zero, zero, zero visits. The hub is now effectively dead to the world.  I have not seen this happen in years.
   
   Meanwhile, the 10-day-old test lens on the same news item has a modest 184 visitors from Google Search (and a handful from Bing and Yahoo). It's is continuing to get 10-15 visits a day now that the buzz from the space shuttle story has died down.
   
   It's hard not to guess the reason why Google hasn't indexed the hub: Google saw the noindex tag put on it during the three and a half days when Hubpages marked it as "Pending." (I edited it the morning after first publish, but it took two more days for "Pending" to wear off).  Google crawled several places where I'd shared the link and has those pages indexed for the hubs' title, but the hub itself is still not in Google's index.
   
   I think the only thing we can do is make sure we don't advertise a hub ANYWHERE until "Pending" status has come off.
   
   Unfortunately, I'm so put off by this SEO handicap that I've been publishing on alternate sites, instead. I'm really surprised that Hubpages doesn't consider this a bug.

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      davenmidtownposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Greekgeek:  It is just effing sad. If I were writing news items this would seriously destroy the purpose of writing. As it stands now... I find it extremely disrespectful of hubpages to even consider something I have published as idle or not... I don't really see how it is any of their business. Sure, I understand if I were publishing pornography or articles about how to buy guns illegally... that they would say no thank you... They have said this is about protecting me and my account from google... I don't need to be protected from google... I don't make any adsense money from google. It seems like the entire IDLE/NOTIDLE is NOT working....

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         Nesbyteposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Can we all just agree that this idle/pending hubs thing is crippling Hubpages? The weird thing is, HP is always telling us to write for Google, yet now they're making it impossible to get views from there!

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   Marketing Meritposted 11 years ago

   I also wonder if the Hub Hopper is potentially devaluing our hubs.
   
   If someone is not interested in your topic, then they will skip it in a split second.
   
   This reduces the amount of time spent on your page and also leads to an increased bounce rate as they hop on to the next hub and not another page on your site (subdomain).
   
   Only recently installed Google Analytics for my hubs but I am horrified by the bounce rate that I am achieving. This is sending a signal to Google that my hubs are sub standard and not worthy of ranking!
   
   Just started a separate thread about this, if anybody is interested in contributing. Does The Classic Hub Hopper Devalue our Hubs?

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      davenmidtownposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      It seems likely... though honestly I can not say. I can say that most of my traffic comes from google and not hubpages... Even when many people were complaining about falling traffic mine was rising... It seems like too much help is doing us all in.

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      Daughter Of Maatposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      OMG that is such a good point! My bounce rate is extremely high and I've never been able to bring it down no matter what I do. That would definitely explain why.

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         davenmidtownposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         bouce rate is a measurement of how long a view is before the browser is changed. That may be related to hubpages or not.  If you look at all your traffic sources and you see that most come from hubpages than maybe your hypothesis is true...but if the majority of your views come from elsewhere, which is true in my case, than I can not blame hubpages for a high bounce rate.. I can only blame my writing and myself... use adsense logically.

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            GA Andersonposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            hmmm. Are you sure about that bounce rate thing?
            
            To Google the bounce rate applies to the percentage of times a visitor leaves by the same page as they entered. Inferring the content did not induce the reader to check for more stuff on other .
            pages
            
            The "time on page" stat you  attributed to "Bounce Rate" is probably much more important to a hubber than the bounce rate. After all, a hub isn't a site of itself - with more related pages to link to. So a high bounce rate would not be too unusual or too bad
            
            A bad "time on page" stat would be bad - it would mean the content wasn't what the searcher was looking for.
            
            ps. you are correct that a browser refresh will affect the bounce rate - because it is counted as another exit and entry - but it also affects the time on page stat too.
            
            GA

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               davenmidtownposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               I am never sure when it comes to google!

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      GA Andersonposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Looked at your hubs list - and you write on a wide variety of subjects, like most hubbers. It's not a bad thing but it is pertinent to your concern about bounce rates.
      
      If you did a series of hubs on a single topic/niche, and properly enticed your readers to "see related articles" or text linked to another hub with deeper data, then the bounce rate would be a useful indicator for you. As it would be for a website with multiple pages on a niche
      
      But, if someone came to your page for info on "tin" ear, they probably won't be interested in clicking to "How I lost my man" - not picking - just an example.
      
      Bounce rate only indicates whether or not the visitor left by the same page they entered.
      
      I would think that for HP accounts the "time on page" state would be more useful. Not that bounce rate isn't. Just that a hubber should expect high bounce rates.
      
      mine typically run 80% or so here, but my camping site is usually less than 10% on most landing pages - it's just different animals
      
      GA

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   SmartAndFunposted 11 years ago

   GreekGeek and Marketing Merit,
   
   If I ping a brand new hub while it is pending does that mean I'm simply telling Google that hub is no-indexed and not to bother with it? Should I wait until it is out of pending status to ping or submit to webmaster tools?
   
   Thanks for all the advice on this thread everybody, by the way.

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      WryLiltposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Well the crawler's job is to index new content. You're essentially saying, here's new content but you can't have it, go away.
      
      So yes, wait till it is featured till trying to get it indexed.

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         SmartAndFunposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Thank you, Wrylilt. I'm a plain vanilla hubber and have never bothered pinging or submitting to webmaster tools before, so thanks.

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      Marketing Meritposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      WryLilt is correct.
      However, it depends how quickly you believe Google is going to crawl your site.
      I instinctively 'ping.'
      Safer to wait until the hub is moved out of pending and the 'no-index' tag is removed.

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         davenmidtownposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Google has always crawled my articles within two hours... except for the last two hubs which are separated by a month or so of time... Both I had to post to google myself. It is just another thing that I have to do... and I have enough to do as it is.... I will move my articles someplace else and let another site have the revenue from the ads... no longer amused! in fact Im pretty PO'd

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    GA Andersonposted 11 years ago

    I checked a dozen or so hubs using the cache operator, check out this forum thread
    
    http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/104307
    
    to share results and see if you can offer any input

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       davenmidtownposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I have just decided to remove my hubs and publish them elsewhere... or not at all...

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          Xenonlitposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          Same here. I did not sign on for the site to handicap my articles through an artificial method that makes no sense at all. Get rid of the idle feature or explain why it makes any sense other than to be a self destructive view killer.

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             SmartAndFunposted 11 years agoin reply to this

             I understand what their motive is with the idle feature. Hoever, it appears the feature has put in motion some unintended negative consequenses as far as google goes. I wish HP would/could fix them, and then would do away with the pending feature for proven writers, which also seems to have unintended negative consequenses on our google traffic.

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    livewithrichardposted 11 years ago

    
    
    Not sure how or why but there is a problem with the Robot.txt as it is not allowing Google to access my account.  I don't think it is just Google that is being blocked as I have done several "exact" searches on my hub titles on Google, Bing, and Yahoo.  What I get back is other hubbers hubs with my title in bold in  "related hubs"  This would only happen if a nofollow or noindex was placed on my hubs... the related hubs section does not have a nofollow so the internal linking is working fine.

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       Pearldiverposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Ditto with me! 
       
       Plus EVERY hub that I have ever submitted into HP 'Writing' Comps have been sand-boxed and effectively have gained no traffic and thus now are in this Idle Mode!  They have been manipulated from the first moment they were published here... and I suggest That Is Why the idle red herring process was implemented in the first place.... I would very much like to view Exactly What was linked to them previously!

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          Daughter Of Maatposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          I have the same problem. I have no idea what it means but I know it can't be good. What the Frak is going on??

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             aa liteposted 11 years agoin reply to this

             Have you just undergone the forced transfer to the new profile?  This is a wild guess but I changed to the new profile a few weeks ago, and it seemed to cause my hubs to fall out of Google's index.  I lost all traffic for a week, but then it sorted itself out, although I did ask Google to crawl me again.

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    honeybee2uposted 11 years ago

    Livewithrichard, you are right.  That is exactly what is happening.  I have pinged my hubs, social bookmarked and submitted to Google but access to crawl the hubs is denied.  I have also noticed content for one of my hubs has been changed.  I hope Hub Pages fix the problem soom.

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    livewithrichardposted 11 years ago

    
    
    The above screenshot is an "exact" search for one of my hub titles.  The SERP returned my title in 7 of the top 10 results but none for my hub.  Results showed one of my social mentions, a couple sites that linked to my hub, and the "related hub" as it is shown on 2 other hubbers. 
    
    Even on those other hubber,s it did not return a result directly to their hub but through the category for which it was published.
    
    Something is wrong with either the Sitemap or the Robot.txt which grants the permissions for the search engines and the paths they can crawl.

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       IzzyMposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I got this type of results in the SERPS for over a year, and staff knew about it.
       
       If it turns out to have been a robots.text issue after all, I will be very annoyed.

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          Pearldiverposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          It's My Pleasure to comment for all those who would love to, but think better for it! 
          
          I think maybe not too deep down that many of us are intelligent enough know what the problem is and identify that it is simply masked by yet another problem, a bit of spin, a bit of smoke and mirrors, a bit of ignorance, a bit of arrogance and a whole lot of BS! 

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             davenmidtownposted 11 years agoin reply to this

             is this site audited for discrepencies in page views, CPC, etc or is it all just their word?

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       Marketing Meritposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       The robots.txt file can be seen here...
       http://hubpages.com/robots.txt
       Nothing untoward jumps out at me.
       
       The one thing I did notice, however,  was that in one of my recently idled hubs, the following meta tag appears in the page source...
       
       <meta name="robots" content="NOINDEX"/>
       
       That's fine and as I would expect.
       
       However, I can't find an equivalent "robots index" instruction for those hubs that are not idle.  i.e.
       
       <meta name="robots" content="index, follow">
       
       I appreciate that this is not strictly needed for your hubs to be indexed, but isn't it good/best practice to have a "robots index" meta tag?
       
       Anyone comment on this?

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          livewithrichardposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          I have no idea but could this trigger a nofollow in our xml sitemaps?
          
          Disallow: /xml/
          
          This is in the Robot.txt  link posted above.

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             jacharlessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

             The sitemaps are not located in that directory, /xml/ so no.
             The main feeds are located:
             
             Sitemap: hubpages.com/sitemaps/hub/current/sitemap_index.xml
             Sitemap: hubpages.com/sitemaps/category/current/sitemap_index.xml
             Sitemap: hubpages.com/sitemaps/question/current/sitemap_index.xml
             Sitemap: hubpages.com/sitemaps/forum/current/sitemap_index.xml

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                livewithrichardposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                Thanks James... I just can't think of anything else that would cause this.  As I mentioned in another thread, the results are nearly the same in Google, Bing, and Yahoo... SERP's are returning content linked to my content, but can't find my content directly.  I know it's there... Googlebot shows that it has indexed 182 of 191 url's.  I fetched 50 of my URL's that I cannot find anywhere in the SERP's 2 days ago, have to wait a week to fetch more but I'm patient... thankfully I have  been building my blogs since the first Panda and they have steadily grown without a single hiccup.
                
                In my webmaster account, and Crawl Errors for this site, there is a message on the Robots.txt that says it has timed out or the Robot.txt is not accessible.  I'm thinking that it is trying to access the Robots.txt through the urls that were returned in error.  Those url's have never existed on HP or they were deleted months ago. 
                
                I have to let HP sort it out, I can't spend too much time without getting results.  I can't go on a massive overhaul of my hubs, which only a handful are Zzzzz'd, only to find out later I'd have to do it again.

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       jacharlessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Well, if HP is going to restructure their SiteMap for compliance with the new PageMap // Microdata format, which works with their Taxonomy through data-vocabulary.org, then hopefully, they will take my suggestion seriously and build smaller, private SiteMaps for Hubbers, based on Article Groups.
       
       I saw the robot.txt through my webmaster account, and have not seen anything significant that would block indexing of hubs. The only thing that comes to mind is the Hub itself is not being released as published, outside of the domain. The META system has become depreciated by Google, and replaced with Structured Data. This might -might be- part of the problem why some hubs are getting indexed and others not. The No-Index meta could be getting extracted. But, the Hubbers feed // sitemap is still showing the published article. That would certainly confuse the robot // spider. I just submitted my feed as ../latest?rss and all but one hub was accepted for indexing {the feed is limited to ten hubs}.
       
       James.

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          Marketing Meritposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          Thank you for your reply James.
          Better do some research on "structured data" I think!!

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          livewithrichardposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          The problem with submitting your feed like that is it only picks up your "latest" hubs which may be fine for you having so few  but those that have 50, 100, or more are pretty much left to wonder.  HP provides hubbers a sitemap of their subdomain if they have more than 10 published hubs... there may be other parameters to meet but I didn't really look for them.

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             jacharlessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

             To my knowledge, the max or limit for sitemap submissions is 100 Urls. This includes removed URLS. Hence, my suggestion to create smaller, custom PageMap sitemaps, defined by the Hubbers "Group" of published articles. Even if a Hubber has 1,000 published articles, they can be grouped into sets of 15 or 20, allowing selective submission to the Engines. This would also allow Hubbers to see, easily, where errors exist amid larger volumes of publications. And since Hubs are built on an HTML5 / XML schema, adding the aforementioned feature is proactive, imo.
             
             James.

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    brakel2posted 11 years ago

    My hub pending two days indexed today  third day on page 1 Google. Thanks to whoever. created this miracle!

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       Marketing Meritposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Fab news for you BrakeI2!
       Don't wish to rain on your parade, but was this for a high or low competition keyword?

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    MyWebsposted 11 years ago

    What is really sad is that so many hubbers are saying in this thread how the idle feature is having very negative consequences and no staff is bothering to respond. I think HP has seen it's best days and it's all downhill from here if they continue on the course they are currently on. Very doubtful I'll ever publish here again. I used to love HP, not anymore.

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       Marketing Meritposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I'm surprised and rather disappointed at the apparent apathy shown by staff in this regard.
       
       If this site were my main source of income I would be apoplectic by now!!
       
       Some feedback from HP tech guys would be much appreciated for all concerned...

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       davenmidtownposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       HP does not typically respond... I think they prefer to allow us to wallow around in the muck cursing at them... Then they may announce some minor bug or something and hope it all goes away...

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    brakel2posted 11 years ago

    I now believe that staff is fixing something   They said it would take three days. I think this is third day.

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    brakel2posted 11 years ago

    I have had trouble since I switched profile over a month ago. This is first successful thing for me. Now I know from James Google will not be using our summaries. My keywords were searched pretty well and not too many results.  I spent time on SEO.

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    Daughter Of Maatposted 11 years ago

    I just tried to fetch one of my most successful pages that has lost a ton of traffic with google webmaster tools and each time I did, it came back as an unreachable page....
    
    WHY??? This is so frustrating...
    
    I've never seen this pop up before.... "unreachable page"
    
    What the heck does that mean? If you click on the link it works fine. Does that just mean the google bot can crawl it? If so wouldn't that be kind of a problem??

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       jacharlessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       The link works, because it points to that page.
       It is unreachable, because the bot cannot find it in the crawl space of your sub-domain.
       If the Hub is not Zzz then it should find it. If not, then the issue is bigger than I anticipated. The entire schema has changed, and this new integration of pending~Zzz has altered the bots directives/crawl-ability.
       Definitely not good. I just checked my index for several hubs, since resubmitting the /latest?rss and they are all coming back above slot five, page one.
       
       But again, Google is one of many. So control + esc is my vote.
       James

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          Daughter Of Maatposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          nope it's not a zzz hub, it was my best performing hub!!

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             davenmidtownposted 11 years agoin reply to this

             we should all just start unpublishing hubs and let HP know we are sick of this shit.

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    Backwater Sageposted 11 years ago

    I have always said you can't trust companies with goofy, oddball names like Google, Yahoo, Squido, or Washington DC.

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       The Dirt Farmerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       (:

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