I must have missed an announcement, but I have noticed a section down the right side of my hubs (as well as other hubs) and along the bottom called "related ads". I haven't clicked on them as that is a no-no, but am curious what they bring up. There also seem to be a lot more google ads on the bottom of the page as well. Did this start recently?
It seemed to happen about the same time as the suggest related links tool was removed.
I dunno, I've seen them mention several times over the past few weeks they're trying new things with the ad layouts. I just noticed the change myself after publishing my latest and was a bit thrown off, but it doesn't seem like a huge deal.
edit: actually I also just noticed that there aren't any slideshow ads anymore. Hmm. Kinda too bad about that one. Always appreciated the extra views there.
Right you are, Len Cannon!
We're testing new ad configurations, but haven't made a huge fuss about it beyond mentioning it here and there in the Forums, as we're just testing things and have not come to a final new configuration.
Alas, slideshow ads didn't go away because we wanted them to- we were in on a test provided by Google, and they haven't yet released the final version after retiring that test version. We hope we can get ads back on slideshows soon!
Can you please let us know whether we get 60% of the views on the ads on those pages when people reach them through our hubs? I think you may have forgotten to respond to that part. Thanks.
I noticed it as well, just today, Len Cannon, on my newest hub. I don't recall an announcement. Might this be a good thing in terms of more ads for readers to click on? Woohoo! I think it's done well, doesn't look too crowded.
I saw them yesterday complete with misspellings like 'Loose belly-Fat' and 'Loose Weight now'.
I really wish whoever wrote them could spell. I hate spelling errors, especially on my own hubs. The Layout makes them stand out and I think could be pretty off-putting to visitors when the spelling is wrong.
I'm going to have to go back and check. I did not notice any spelling errors on the ads, but I did not look too closely.
I hate to see spelling errors, its/it's and lose/loose being two of my pet hates.
You and me both then, Lawrence. And the number of people who can't distinguish between 'there', 'their' and 'they're' is frightening.
Yet there they are, writing hubs on Hubpages and proudly calling themselves 'writers'.
I really don't like seeing them on adverts, especially not on HP generated ads. I didn't click through, but the address of the ads seems to suggest they came from HP categories.
Can I ask US hubbers, when did 'a lot' become 'alot'? Is this another Americanism? I know there are differences between US English and English English, but 'alot' is not something UK spellers would use.
The Alot is not a American spelling of the UK "a lot", it is an imaginary creature, large and furry that is native to the internet. I believe this is the definitive study of its lifecycle and habitat, it describes it as " a cross between a bear, a yak and a pug".
http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.co.uk … thing.html
I noticed that misspelling, too. It's off-puting.
I noticed those ads a few days ago while checking a hub. I just looked at a few more of mine to see how they look, and I like the related ads. They are unobtrusive and relate well to the topic. Those are the kind of ads I would be more likely to click on. I'm so curious to see what is there, but I know we can't click on them here. I guess we'll see how they perform!
It didn't. If you see it that way, it's misspelled. Many people misspell a lot.
OMG. I hope a lot of people read your reply! It's such a common error then, that I thought it couldn't have been an error at all.
A lot is a two word phrase. I think it sounds better to use the proper words, like; I enjoy listening to music often or very much. (instead of saying a lot)
Americans have a way of shortening words even when we speak.
I found this list of the most misspelled words in English. Surprisingly, a lot is not on the list.
Are hubbers really this stupid now? So stupid that they can't see when they are being literally bummed?
Those 'related ads' are not themselves adsense units, when one clicks on the related ads they are taken to another hubpages page containing nothing but ads (go ahead, click on one, it isn't an adsense ad and therefore there is no terms of service breach).
If you visit one of those related ads via a hub on an account which is not in the hubpages ad program and view the source code you will notice that there are two adsense ID's being presented. Unfortunately neither of them will be yours.
The Hubpages ad program itself is of course non-transparent, but the signs don't look good, do they? So the related links serve as nothing other than a massive page leak designed to take visitors off of your hubpage and onto a page in which hubpages are serving 100% of their own ads.
Yay dudes! Aren't the hubpages staff just simply awesome! Kowabunga dudes!
Wow, you are right, this leads to just a large (Hubpages) page of Adsense adverts (which I assume HP get the revenue from but am not sure how to check as I am on the HP Ad Program). There is no reason not to click to the 'Related Adverts' links to check for yourselves because they are not Adsense Ads in themselves and only lead to HP pages full of Adsense Ads. This is scary as it looks like it takes revenue away from us without us earning anything from those pages or adverts clicked on within those pages.
Seriously need to know HP staff!!!
Do we know how they track the HPads accounts? I'm.. concerned but holding my tongue for the time.
When you visit those pages via a hub which is not in the hubpages ad program you will not find the respective writers adsense ID in the source code, so why would members of the hubpages ad program be treated any differently?
@yeahyeahyo It looks like you joined HubPages today. How do you know all this info?
Are you claiming the information to be incorrect? I believe that I have provided sufficient insight to enable one to ascertain themselves whether or not the claims are accurate.
Certainly it checks out Brakel2 if you click into the 'Related Ads' links on your hubs. I suspect the post is written by a hubber who wishes to remain anonymous so is posting under an alternative profile.
I'm fairly new to HubPages.
So, if someone finds our hub, through Google, and they click on those "related ads", the hubber who actually wrote the hub doesn't earn anything if an ad on the next page is clicked?
The whole page is nothing but ads....
Do I understand this correctly?
No one knows - and all we will get is speculation and the usual "Hubpages is stealing your money" - personally I'll sit back and wait and see. When HP try something new they won't say anything about it until they are sure it will be implemented full time.
Thank you Simone. We certainly do not need a negative person in this forum trying to put everyone down. Let's have a good day.
@yeahyeahyo.) What, your attitude? Look, you need a hobby, and not one that includes trying to convert people to your hate filled negative mentality. Your a conspiracy theorist at best. Now do us all a favor including yourself and start by opening the curtains in your mothers basement and then kindly open the door and get some vitamin D because you are a HUGE Debbie Downer.
I have shared only conspiracy facts and no conspiracy theories, a staff member has failed to refute or address the allegations. That will be because my claims are correct. I am sorry if you don't have the technical knowledge to verify the accuracy of those claims and bare witness yourself. I have done my best to explain how one can see this for themselves, I can do no more.
Hubpages are under no obligation to revenue share on anything but hubs, they are not breaking their terms of service agreement by diverting traffic to their own pages. I'm not claiming illegality, I'm just informing fellow hubpages users of the change in this sites structure and I'd expect them to have the intuition to reach their own conclusions in respect of what may or may not happen to their own earnings.
Yeah, um, I'm not a big fan of the attitude, but it is worth being concerned about. I don't know why we would immediately turn on each other if something untoward was happening.
I went and checked two well known hubbers with high volume traffic and found the same adsense id in both of their related pages adsense links: 6958755572607374. Same for myself. So that's three.
I went and checked the top ads on each page and found they had the same number. The bottom ads, with our personal adsense numbers, had what should be the correct ID.
It leads me to believe it has something to do with how ads are served with the HP Ad program because the ones we DO get credit for in the HPAds program have the same ID as the ones in the related links bar. If someone is Adsense-only, they SHOULD be receiving adsense views for these instead. If they're not, it is worth looking into. Maybe it is a coding error because it is new. But if someone, Ad program or not, is serving these ads they should be receiving their 60% of the views.
I think it would be of GREAT benefit for HubPages staff to quickly and concisely explain how each ad unit is tracked. Transparency goes a long way.
Many of the adsense features we have access to are not available to individuals (custom js ads, AdX etc). The custom JS ads can't be served with any ID other than the HubPages ID. It's always been that way.
One thing to add, you can always switch out of the HP Ad program and compare the results.
Confirmation that those not in the hubpages ad program, at very least, are not generating revenue from the ads served on the new related ads pages. Those that are in the hubpages ad program will never have any way of knowing whether they are benefiting. So a conclusion can be reached that at least some hubpages users, possibly all hubpages users, will be losing money as a result of this change in site structure. I have nothing further to add to the debate.
Ah well, a further reason, in addition to the disgusting idling policy, for me not to bother to generate any more content for this site.
I just did a YTD Ad program report.
As far as I'm concerned, all appears well.
As far as I could tell this was mainly going to cause a loss of earnings to people who were relying on 'Adsense' only, not people using the HP Ad program (unless I misunderstood an early post in this thread). Quote:
"If you visit one of those related ads via a hub on an account which is not in the hubpages ad program and view the source code you will notice that there are two adsense ID's being presented. Unfortunately neither of them will be yours."
Right now I am not much the wiser based on either Simone's or Paul's responses as no-one has actually said who earns what from those 'related ad' blocks, and if any hubbers are earning anything from them at all.
It is not clear, and HP staff did not offer an explanation.
That is the main problem. We are not given the information with which to reach a considered decision. In my view, this is showing an incredible degree of contempt vis a vis the people who provide the content, which ultimately this site needs in order to exist.
Did anyone read the just-posted HubPages blog post about how these new ads from Google come with built-in lower revenue per click rates?
http://blog.hubpages.com/2013/03/upcomi … atted-ads/
Really not surprised. I suggested a while back that there were problems with Adsense, they've been offering out free Ads like a desperate shop assistant in a brand new sweet shop. Suppose this is what happens when you're losing your market share.
Looks like I'm not going back to AdSense anytime soon...
PDS, you are the eternal optimist. Remember, in order to benefit from HP ads your hubs have to stay featured and you must not be subjected to a G slap because G can't make their mind up, exactly, what it is that they want from HP. It's Google, they will shaft us all in the long run.
As far as click-through goes, my blogs can't possibly do worse. Who knows? If the new critters work, could be happy days!
If they work that's good news. Perhaps I'm just being cynical, but didn't Google lead HP to believe that subs were they way forward, not so long ago? Personally, and I do work for myself, I would never credit Google with good intelligence. How can we, when they can't even work out what searchers really want? They can't even please their advertisers.
Well, the purdy, new, arrow-ads are all over one of my revamped blogs. Here's hoping those new critters do indeed work...
Can anyone from hubpages staff confirm that our tracking ID's are carried across to the related ads pages?
This is in prime ad real estate, and seems to be incredibly bad monetization, Sincerely hope its just a test.
I think this is answered in Paul E's answer:
"Many of the adsense features we have access to are not available to individuals (custom js ads, AdX etc). The custom JS ads can't be served with any ID other than the HubPages ID. It's always been that way."
So I'm taking this to mean no....
Sounds like incredibly bad monetization for us, good monetization for HP. I guess they need the money for the QAP program........
So... no. But no one wants to come right out and say it.
I don't like 'em.
They look spammy, linky, "come this way and give us some money".
The sort of thing that puts me off web pages.
Does anyone on the internet ever think "less is more?".
Maybe less just is less.
I still don't like 'em.
Read my stuff and then realise that the only reason it is there is to serve some ads up.
Nah. I haven't quite finished. First of all HP's site and they are doing their best etc. to keep the damn thing afloat. It is not my call what they do with the web pages. If I don't like it... easy enough to see what to do.
It's not a deal breaker for me - just a disappointment.
I would quite like to have been informed before noticing them. A simple announcement - thsi is what we're doing, this is how it works. No need for a vote on it.
One of my current main bugbears about HP is trying to keep my search visitors in my subdomain. When there are masses of ads and links to other people's stuff - it makes it hard. Does Google notice how few people read more than a page? Do they care?
I have no idea. It just seems that I get a bounce rate above 90% on HP and 50%... ish... elsewhere. I suspect that could be a problem.
I read Paul's recent message about lay-offs with a heavy heart. This is a hobby for me. It's a living for them. So I am not trying to rock the boat - just felt like a self-centred splurge. I hope it turns out right.
I checked Paul E.'s activity, the HP blog, and did a Google search. I couldn't anything about HP lay-offs. I know I'll feel like an idiot when someone posts the link, but, hey, I can't be the fastest bunny in the forest everyday...
It was in the interview he did the other day. There's a forum thread giving a link to it.
I've read that. I missed or forgot that tidbit of info. Back to read it again.
That's OK - sometimes the tortoise wins, too.
Found it. I was thinking Mark meant something in March because of Google's further machinations.
And I thought of it as something a little after Panda. Not real specific, was he?
Oh for goodness sakes! Yes it was in Paul's interview, I guess sometime after Panda hit and not in the last few weeks, but the interview was recent and it has been on my mind a little.
I complain when they change the font size. But I didn't lose my job as a result of Google's changes / HubPages spam - delete as appropriate and argue for evermore.
Although your other post has caused life to end as we know it, you are still one of the good guys.
I think that was the layoff of Jason and Micki. I read his post but can't remember if he was talking past or future layoffs.
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