Sept. 27, 1:58 a.m.
To Everyone who commented on the question that I asked about why some of my recently-published hubs are not receiving comments . . .
I Sincerely Apologize for any confusion, pressure, embarrassment or (pressuring to follow me) or anything else that might be seen as negative or ignorant.
I am talking to Marisa Wright; Jodah; threekeys; blessedp; The0NatureBoy and more that I cannot remember right now.
So now for the relief of these hubbers, and that is a play on words, I am going to take a short break and see what develops on HP with my hubs. I may show up on your hubs to read them and comment. At this point I cannot say.
So until I see you all again, thanks for the pointers and advice.
No hard feelings at all.
Kenneth, please see my latest reply on your other forum thread in regard to "success."
I did read your definition of "success," and I have to agree 110%.
I am going to rest for about a month and let you and Marisa do the writing and during this time, I will face a few tough decisions about my future on HP and materials, etc.
Thanks, man, for all of your nice comments.
You are welcome, Kenneth. I see no one answered your question on the other thread. Yes, Your own photos are fine and what HP likes best. With many of my early hubs I used any image I found on the Internet, now I know better. I use my own, Pixabay, or Shorpy (historical pics) mostly now.
By all means take a short break. I am sure when you return followers will flock back to read and comment on your hubs.
Apology accepted, Kenneth, although for me there was no need.
Kenneth, no need to apologize. And no need to take a break from HP. Just pace yourself. Pay attention to how often your favorite writers post and follow suit. You may see more earnings if you slow down a bit and let us savor your work.
" . . .I humbly disagree with you. I did need to apologize for asking that, (now I learned was a) ignorant question."
"I sensed an undertone from two of the hubbers that I should just leave HP and tried to disguise their real meanings in soft terms. I am not one to boast and you know that better than anyone. But I am NOT stupid." "I do know how to interpret people and their true spirit."
So in my time off, I shall think of you and all of the sweet comments you have given me and I will always know in my heart that you are one of my TRUE friends.
I can assure you 100%, Ken, that there was no undertone in what I said. I am an Australian, we are famous for saying what we mean, and not cushioning bad news in soft words. In fact I have told people HubPages is the wrong place for them in the past, so why would I hesitate to say so in your case, if I believed it to be true? Don't let your imagination run away with you!
We are trying to give you helpful advice and I hope you will take it. Even your friends are telling you that you're saturating them with too many Hubs too fast, and that one Hub a week is enough. If you write more articles and poems than that, then find some other communities to join and share them on, so the load is spread. That will have the added benefit of reaching a wider audience and making more friends (without risk of upsetting them).
Also by the way, GettyImages are not free to use. They are free to embed but not to copy. You can't use the embed feature on HubPages so that means they are not legal to use here - and GettyImages are one of the companies that are fiercest with their demand letters!
I first, thank you for being so sincere.
Secondly, would you "please," put yourself in my place?
I obviously have not been on HP and know as much as you. I already admitted that in front of all who were on this forum.
I checked with Editors at HP about using MY OWN digital photos and they said, "No problem," with our without credit line.
Plus, I also found at least 22 FREE for HUB USE photo sites that I did check and find out that I CAN use their stock for hubs.
So in ONE month when I return, I will hope to write ONE hub a month if I come back. That all depends on what the editor I chatted with on HP says to me in a reply I am awaiting tomorrow.
I must confess that you have a loyal following of good people and you are all very talented writers.
One question: Were you intentionally NOT even saying that I was a decent writer? I have nothing left of my own after this "discussion" and now you are reassuring me that you were only saying what you feel.
Sure I will comply with what my Friends say about saturating them with hubs.
But all in all, I said to you and the rest that I do get what you are saying.
And did not fight what you said. Just how you said it.
I may not be in your league as a writer. I won't compete for any price.
I was happy with my own style and way of presenting my topics. Happy. That was my goal, but second only to making my followers have a little time of peace and laughter.
I do enjoy my abstract/poetry (and I checked. This term is CORRECT.)
Like I said in a sentence or two above this one. I do not have much left so in my month off I am going to, well, I think I just may keep that information to myself.
I am not opening myself up for more of this type of discussion again.
You and your friends keep writing your own hubs and being successful.
And I guess what hurts the worst is that for five years, and even this editor remarked that "I" was one of their best, so that did make me feel better, is that I honestly thought that I was in the top tier of hubbers like you.
Obviously I was not.
But I am NOT leaving no matter what you or your friends say to me.
This is how I truly feel.
Thanks for listening.
Taking a break or doing different kinds of things can be just the panacea we need. Have a wonderful break Kenneth.
Ken, I still don't understand - where, in all my posts, have I uttered ONE WORD of criticism about your writing? Can you find one sentence? No.
I have not read your Hubs so I am not qualified to make any judgment at all about your writing. It may be wonderful, it may be awful, I do not know. ALL I have addressed is your frequency of publishing, and your use of photos. Nothing else. Please stop being so thin-skinned and imagining slights that do not exist.
If you haven't read any of my hubs, then how can you be qualified to tell me about my frequency of publishing? I would though, honestly speaking only as the lower class hubber than I am, be glad if you would have given me (threw me a bone as it were) ONE good comment about ONE thing I published. Not a GREAT comment. I gave up on that years ago.
I have already exhausted the phrase "I surrender." So now what else do you choose to advise me about?
And assuming, not documenting the proof that as you say, I am think-skinned is not, in my opinion, a very professional way to talk to a lower class hubber.
How would you like it if these same people who are with you in agreeing on my flaws and faults, were to say that to you?
I do hope that you have a good day and I do ask you one favor: If you are a praying person, please pray for me that one day I will be as knowledgeable and talented as you are. Not sarcasm. Just sincere truth. You have to admit that when I am beat. I admit it.
"A lower class hubber"? For goodness sake, Ken, you seem to be having a one-man pity party. This is a load of self-indulgent, masochistic codswallop.
It is clear to everyone else that Marissa was trying to help you, based on the information given in the thread. For you to take what she says and twist into some sort of put-down, or suggestion to leave HP, is beyond comprehension.
You are surely entitled to your opinion, but I humbly disagree with your description of the situation I am having.
Is Marisa an employee of HubPages?
Okay. Now to tell you, I get it. I have surrendered even defending my points to Marisa, Jodah, threekeys and anyone else who might have helped her help me.
And no. I am not as you say a one man pity party. I was merely telling the hard truth. I have NOT got a college education or a degree in journalism much less an IQ to write home about. I do not mind telling the world how lacking that I am. I had rather tell the truth and be finished with it than live in a cloud of false confidence which I was doing until all of this talk came up.
But no more.
When I do return, I will try to follow Marisa's advice or at least do my best to follow it to the letter. This is pretty much all that I can do.
Thanks for the input.
I will let you know, if you can quote me the posts where people are listing your flaws and faults. I can't think of any. All I can see is people advising you about two specific mistakes you are making - posting too often and using illegal photos.
Neither of those is a flaw or a fault in your character. They are honest mistakes which you made because you were not aware they could cause problems. We all make mistakes, it's only human. Why do you keep thinking it's some kind of reflection on you?
There's no need to take a break and there's no need to be offended. All you need to do is cut back to posting one Hub a week, make sure you comment on the Hubs of people who comment on yours, and use photos from the free photo sites or your own work. That's all. Easy. Why are you making it so hard?
I am not one to make excuses. So I suppose the bottom line is that I told MizBejabbers on one of these comments that I do love to write. But since Feb. 11, I do it and other activiites in my life to keep from going insane or even taking my life due to the death of my only daughter.
I am not a sob story man. Never was, but am honest with you. And I must conclude that THIS is the warmest comment you have given me.
Thank you sincerely.
I did read one of your hubs--one and did leave a comment on it. "How to Get Readers for Your Hubs," where you talked about back links.
I was severely impressed at your amount of followers versus your articles. Wow. 98 articles and almost 3000 followers.
And to think. One of the people that was at me the other day was making that I have so many hubs opposed to the amount of followers. Fact is, and I did try to tell her. I devote one day a week to choosing a list of my followers to just read and comment on their hubs to get to know them better.
This is not anyone's fault for not bringing it up but mine.
Why am I taking this hard? I can only give you this honest answer: I take pride in my hubs although they, and I do know, that they are not as interesting as yours, but I do take pride in them.
And yes, I am taking a month break to give my followers time to see what I have really published. Plus, I do not expect any one of them to leave a comment.
So I will call this my peace offering to you, Marisa as I would hope that even with my faults and flaws, you and I are still friends.
There is not one thing wrong about me telling you that your work is far better than mine. It is a gesture of humility. Yes, I am capable of that trait too.
But anyway. I do apologize for anything that offended you. I really do. I hate messing up. I hate mistakes..
And when I return, NO more illegal, as you say, photos.
Must ones I am going to ask for a written agreement from the site before I use their photos and let them know my name and reason.
And I will be using my own photos.
Peace is great. And peace and love to you, Marisa.
Did any of you condescending "helpers" that sound so superior know that Kenneth's only daughter died recently, leaving three children behind? Or that he has so many serious health issues, he writes so he feels the pain less? I believe that he is bedridden.
He was recently diagnosed with congestive heart failure and has been doing better. He considered suicide because his loss coupled with his physical pain hurt so much.But did any of you smug and superior ones stop for a moment to think maybe there is a reason a person tries to bury themselves in work or a hobby? No, you all were so nasty, I hope every one of you suffers as much as Kenneth has suffered. Marisa, you should be ashamed of yourself. You used to be kind and helpful, now you preach and sound like a bitter 90 year old schoolmarm. If you were in Kenneth's position, or your husband died, I doubt a lecture about correct photo usage would help you very much. Thankfully you are healthy enough to correct those of us who are not as perfect as you. And the directions on correct photo usage are vague, they still don't explain all the extra details the moderators get on the photos they put on our hubs, even though they are pics not related to our hubs in any way. It's not a two way street here at all anymore.
You also hurt my feelings very badly accusing me of putting my Astrology hubs in "Rich and Famous" categories, when the administration put all my hubs in the wrong categories before they began moving them to incorrect niches.. Buddhism is in "Paranormal" though many millions of people practice it everyday. Only a poorly educated person would put a religion practiced by millions of people in Paranormal. I didn't appreciate your lecture to me about something I didn't even do. You made me feel like a 5 year old. I used to think you were a nice person, maybe you should reread some of the demeaning comments or "help" as you seem to see it that you make to other people. I won't be asking for your help anymore. You owe Kenneth an apology, and so does the administration, they lied to me about the Amazon capsules and the 60 day hubs, but I guess they have the right to lie, apparently having such large egos or feeling they don't owe any kindness or answers to their writers. Or are so unintelligent they can't even get together a new set of rules. They owe all of their writers an apology, they make money from our talents, and treat us like garbage.
There used to another forum "helper" who paid her rent hubbing. She also insulted and was cruel to everyone she "advised." Many of you are getting just like her. I've spoken to people who have questions and are afraid to write in with them. Many contact me at home through HP. They don't need to be treated like the scum of the Earth. For shame.
I am without proper words to say "thank you," for these kind words of support and kindness. And for all of your nice comments you have left in my early days on HP. I promise you this: You will not be forgotten.
And although I am at peace (now) with all that was said and all that was NOT said. All in all, things are going to go a different way when I come back on October 27, exactly one month from when I said that I was taking one month to think about things and adjust some of the things I "thought" were okay.
I appreciate your standing with me about the passing of my only daughter. I talk to her every night and day while staring at her senior portrait that is hanging on my bedroom wall. She was wearing her electric smile that all of her friends loved. I can only wish that before I leave this world, I would have touched as many lives as she did.
Am I the only hubber with this type of loss? No.
Am I the only hubber who has made errors? No.
And the thing is, I am not now nor will I ever be anything to be admired or even close to being a role model. I make mistakes each day that I am given. I don't like them, but that is life.
So, Jean, thank you again for this surprise comment. I was not going to (at first) mention my daughter's passing afraid that others would think that I was hiding behind this tragedy in my life in order to garner sympathy.
That would not be very fair or honest with anyone.
So like I said. I have learned a lot and now it's time for me to rest, reflect, and re-tool my hub design and fixtures.
Love you, Jean.
And if I can be of help to you at any time, you know to get my attention.
Thanks Sweet Kenneth,
You said in your mail that you thought I divorced, but my husband died. We were together since we were both 19, and although it's been almost 3 years, it's been one thing after another and I feel like somebody cut me in half. Plus there's all the other stuff I told you. I know in my heart it will work out, but also understand how hard it is to grieve when you are experiencing scary health problems.
When Louie passed on, everyone here was so kind to me. It's a whole new crowd, and those here long have swelled heads. Don't let it get to you. They don't know what other problems there are that make you feel you can barely get out of bed. I do. Bless you and I would always speak up for a man of your kindness and caliber. Most of these people are very shallow and wouldn't know what to do if they had a serious problem. We are using hubpages as a way to get our attention off our lives for a little while, and now that's even getting to be hard.
I haven't been on here much lately but was shocked with what I was reading. Jean I agree with everything you said. Ken should put as many hubs as he wants on here that's what HP is for.
@ Jean and moonlake, thank you both so much. I am in the process of enjoying the first days of a month-long break, but do not worry, I shall return on Oct. 27.
All that started this was ME asking why a few new hubs had not received any comments and I was advised not only on that part of my question but my photos were illegally-used and number of hubs was exhausting my followers and on and on and on.
I learned that I am not thin-skinned, lazy, or have my own agenda.
I also learned that contrary to one hubber's opinion that I was into passive aggressive argumentation. No, sir. I just hate arguments laced with acid phrases and insinuations about the other person's character.
So with that. I do hope this is my closure for making an honest mistake like asking a question (such as mine) on this forum. Thank YOU, Jean and Moonlake and all of my followers who I will make it my quest to get to their works and read their hubs.
My love to you both. I am here for you both also.
Peace to all as well. I just couldn't see a group of people beating up on someone who was experiencing such devastating problems. Sometimes we don't realize how hurtful words can be. A person can be corrected or told how to do something in a kind way. I have often felt the way Kenneth feels when I asked an innocent question, people more computer literate than me answer in a way that's above my head. I don't want to argue, but don't want to keep seeing people hurt on these forums either.
One more thing - you mention that you can use photos from Pixabay and other sites because they say you're allowed to. Yes, that's what I told you!
To quote my original post on this subject:
Ken, the rule with photos online is that ALL photos on ALL sites are copyright. If the site is happy for people to use them, there will be a statement on the site saying so. If there is no statement it's illegal to use the photos""
So you've found those sites which are happy for people to use their photos and they have a statement on their site saying so. That doesn't contradict what I said, it confirms it.
One of the sites Ken mentioned in the other thread was Getty Images.
I copied out the first paragraph of the terms and conditions which indicates extremely clearly that not all images are free to use.
I think the advice you have received was never meant to hurt but rather to protect you from getting sued by someone for using their images.
I only use my own images and always take them specifically for my writing here. If I don't have the right images, I don't write about that subject.
I never worry if fellow writers don't read my work. I am much more concerned about google traffic and making sure that only people who read my work want to see it. For instance, I belong to a couple of felting sites on facebook but I don't mind if they don't comment either. My stats tell me if they are being read as do my earnings on HubPages.
I have an idea which might be helpful to you. If you think it is a bad one I won't be offended either. I think that sometimes we caught up in a rut and this might be the time for you to re-invent yourself:)
I know you make bird boxes and I bet they are great. Have you considered photographing your efforts and showing people how to make them? Write some woodworking Tutorials for a change or even a few on the birds which inhabit them? Branch out a little and have some fun doing it. You might be glad you did:}
You might even find that you are might be more successful doing so.
No need to take any of this personally but sometimes a change is as good as a holiday.
Thank you sincerely for your kind words. I appreciate you and how you commented to me in such an understanding tone.
Thanks and be safe.
One more thing. Your idea about my birdhouses was nice and very good. In fact, I am putting together a hub with digital photos of my own making that will show you and others on HP what I do when I am not on here.
Maybe in hubs in the future, I might show some of the shortcuts that I have discovered that has helped me turn out a lot more work.
Thank you, sweet friend.
I am pleased that you thought it a good idea. I know that birdhouses are much enjoyed by everyone, so too are tricks of the trade. Check out Pinterest for loads of inspiration. I know I love it. I hope you do too.
Jean I feel for your experience! Whats so beautiful about you is how you share your heart here , many may not say what is ailing them , but I am sure you have spoken for many. HP is more then just a business for writing , you meet the real people behind HP and their hubs sure like Clint Eastwood, you have the good , the bad, the ugly, then you just have some one above that that we can be upbuilt from, even have a good laugh ! Kenneth is appreciated that he is good therapy for many.
I hope your health gets better and I truly hope to keep seeing your name on HP just like kenneth.
I'd like to make it clear that in no way was I attacking Kenneth as a person, only the tone and content of his post. In particular, the part about calling himself a 'lower class hubber'. He's been here a long time and the volume of work he produces puts me to shame. He has no need to adopt a stance of inferiority. However, Marissa is completely right about the mis-use of images, and her advice to Ken should be something he takes to heart and puts into practice - both with new and existing hubs. Getting landed with a legitimate bill for using photos without permission would come as a shock, I'm sure.
Thank you, raggededge. That's exactly what I was trying to do and I am very upset that people seem convinced I've been telling Ken he should leave, or calling him stupid or having a low IQ - I challenge anyone to find anything like that in any of my posts.
To get an award as most helpful Hubber one minute and then get told I'm a bitter 90 year old schoolmarm the next is a shock.
This was uncomfortable to read. Hang in there, Kenneth. There comes a time for us as hubbers to let things go. The need to have the last word, the need to be "right," takes away from acknowledging each other's positions and feelings and leaving it there. Let empathy, compassion, and acceptance dictate how we relate to each other in our HP community. Peace to all.
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