Why do you derive joy in destroying peoples' writing ambition?

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   accofrancoposted 15 years ago

   Why do you derive joy in destroying peoples' writing ambition through discouraging comments, instead of encouraging them through polite corrections? Please if one feels that he or she is an expert, why not help the novice to learn, because a learner will one day become an expert, what do you think?

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      Lgaliposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      i totally agree in my view if can not encourge somebody do not say anything

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      lisafwg01posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      A wise person once told me that if you only want to hear positive comments and flattery, then spend your time talking to yourself in a mirror or writing in your own private journal; don't ever voice your oinions and thoughts in public because that invites others to form (and voice) their opinions in regard to you and your work. If you cannot take criticism you will never make it as a writer in any real capacity.

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         lbtraderposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         I absolutely agree with you on that one. I'd rather get no comments or sincere comments than just those 'phishing' comments by people who just want to see their name appear somewhere in the hope of getting clicks to their profile in order to get further clicks on their ads.

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         shibashakeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Not really sure about that. I am usually my own harshest critic

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         SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Not necessarily true.  Some of my best writing has been independent of any criticism, or at least my history professors told me so.  Some of my worst writing was when I took the word of other students to change my essay.
         
         If you are publishing a book it is one thing to have an editor, but I would not rely on the opinions of others overly much. Write for yourself and laugh at all the silly comments I say.

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            lisafwg01posted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Being able to handle criticism is not the same as blindly following/believing the criticism of others. A part of being able to take criticism is being able to discern what is worthwhile and what is not.
            
            Either way, a writer will always face critics; that is just a fact of the business.

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      Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Cannot say I have seen or would ever view the hub here in question.  Have you heard that indifference is actually a bigger insult than negative responses?
      
      If you have real writing ambition, then you also must have something you really want to write about.  When you locate that, your best writing will come.  Further, if you are really serious about your writing, I don't think you would post this kind of question on the forum--you might have written to the commenter directly.  Therefore, I don't think this is about writing at all...
      
      BTW, the Hubpage audience is very mild about criticism, compared to most writing programs, guaranteed--or real life, which will criticize by simply never saying a word about your stuff--will be indifferent.

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   Adam Bposted 15 years ago

   There are a lot of douchebags out there who just like to talk shit...shrug it off.  I have so many negative comments on my woodstock 09 hub it will make your head spin.

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   Mark Knowlesposted 15 years ago

   Probably doesn't help writing racist, sexist hubs entitled "How to get laid with an Indian or Nigerian girl."
   
   Just a thought.
   
   I hasten to add that I have not made any comments on Mr. accofrancos's hubs. DIscouraging or otherwise.

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      Lgaliposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Mark there are few here always blunt

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      darksideposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I take it that Acco's hissy fit here is fueled by me pointing out to him in said hub that his generalizations of "American women" was disgusting. This coming from a guy who is so pained by the generalization that Nigerians are scammers.
      
      I had noticed an absence of Acco on the forum and wondered what he had been up to. Checking in to see how he was going with his hubs. What he had published was completely inappropriate. It was worse than a mohamedmm forum thread full of gay hate.
      
      What's interesting is his hub has since been deleted or unpublished. I didn't report it, so I guess someone else did or he pulled it himself.

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   SweetiePieposted 15 years ago

   accofranco,
   
   I get weird and odd comments all the time, so just delete what you do not like.  No one can discourage you if you truly believe in what you are writing.

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   accofrancoposted 15 years ago

   Thanks for all your encouragements,i really appreciate. In the beginning of that hub how to get laid... i first appologized for offending anyone yet, people find it offensive please forgive me.

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      lisafwg01posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Apologizing in advance for writing or saying something that you know is offensive doesn't make the material any less offensive.
      
      The article in question was offensive on several levels and you knew that from the getgo or you would not have felt the need to apologize in advance in the first place.
      
      Personally, I find fake contriteness rather abhorrent. If you are going to be offensive at least own it.

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      BristolBoyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Personally I don't think apologising in advance for an article is good enough when it results in massively sweeping generalisations such as 'an American girl finds it pleasing to get laid with many guys', 'Every high school girl in America has a well-built site were she displays her beautiful provocative pictures and even videos' and 'This is what an Indian girl looks like, she is unique and outstanding but she lacks something, the ability to communicate well in English'.

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         sunstreeksposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Ditto...but
         
         
         
         Yep, cept some of us prefer to not have many guys at one time, it's easier with just a handful. If only because guys get jealous they aren't getting enough face time, and your like, "we'll I'll be with you in 5 minutes, you want on the train, get in line" and he's like, "well I don't want to wait in line" and  "that guy cut in front" Ugh. Frustrating.
         
         
         
         Actually.. if you take out the "every" part and change it to "many", this is actually pretty accurate. grown men everywhere are very thankful for Tom and his MYSPACE.

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      goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      quit crying acco and apologizing for your hub, it was entertaining for me. If anyone bothers you with their comments tell them to screw off. Don't back down from them. "Everyone needs to learn how to get laid",  that should be the title of your next hub. Get those hookers and cocaine ready for my visit to you yet?

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   Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago

   You know, you publish on a public site you have to expect these sorts of comments. It goes with the territory. If you were writing professionally they wouldn't take the time to give you advice. Being a writer means having to develop a thick skin. You can't expect every comment to be kind and fauning.

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   Anti-Valentineposted 15 years ago

   Still, even if you don't offend anyone, or at least you think you haven't, there will still be people who mock not only your writing, but you as a person as well.
   
   Especially fanboys...

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   Everyday Miraclesposted 15 years ago

   I'm not defending accofranco -- I'll get to the "not defending" in a minute -- but I wanted to point out that he was responding, with the hub in question, to a request. I don't know whether or not the request was deleted, but someone requested "how to get laid with Indian girls" or something of that nature. I thought it was utterly disgusting, but ignored it.
   
   I also want to point out that in several of my hubs I state at the beginning "I know that this is going to offend someone and I'm sorry if it does. This is just me." But I'm also not making sweeping generalizations about an entire culture.
   
   Here in the United States, we have the freedom of speech. We can express whatever opinions we may have about, well, anything. Hubpages doesn't particularly police the site. We are allowed to post opinions in our hubs without fear of being deleted (in most cases). But the fact is that this is a private site, and not a public (US) domain. What you write here is allowed by Hubpages and they can also remove it if they feel it is inappropriate (and racism and hate is generally thought to be inappropriate).
   
   What kind of feedback do you expect to get on hubs of this nature? I've been accused of only wanting comments that agree with me, but that has never been the case. I would immediately delete any comment that was insulting to another commenter as well. I absolutely will not comment on your hubs because of some of the nastiness you've allowed to get through!
   
   I just honestly think you need to choose your topics more wisely!

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   accofrancoposted 15 years ago

   @everyday miracles, your advice is one of the best i can count on since i can recall. Anyway thanks. @Goldentoad, thanks man, sure they are ready.

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    accofrancoposted 15 years ago

    @everyday miracles, your advice is one of the best i can count on since i can recall. Anyway thanks. @Goldentoad, thanks man, sure they are ready.

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       Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       And she said it so much more nicely than I did.
       
       You might want to also try and distinguish between negative comments about your opinions of women and "destroying people's writing ambition."
       
       I am sure there is a market for almost anything you wish to write about and developing your writing skills has very little to do with the subject matter.
       
       Look at it this way - at least you made your point clear. Which as far as I am concerned is one of the most important writing skills there is.

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    Mrvoodooposted 15 years ago

    Did somebody mention Hookers and Cocaine?  Room for one more?

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       goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I don't like to share myself, ask acco, maybe he's a bit more generous about it.

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    countrywomenposted 15 years ago

    Accofranco- My friend once we throw a stone in the water then the ripples are bound to happen. Now as far as the subject and treatment of  it is concerned if you write stuff that makes people come but makes them leave with disgust then it is a short term strategy (as in the long run some folks like me will avoid coming in the first place).
    Secondly, if I call you a "genius" do you become a genius and if I call you a "fool" do you become one? You are what you are (hopefully having positive self image). Please do consider all views and sometimes the most bitter words could be the moment of truth from which we learn in life. Have a good day.

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       BundleBoyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Country Women - Awesome reply!

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          countrywomenposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Good morning. Thanks BundleBoy for being the bundle of joy for me.

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    Teresa McGurkposted 15 years ago

    (Isn't Countrywomen just the sweetest soul on Hubpages?)

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       countrywomenposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I humbly bow down to such an exalted opinion (which I am sure I don't deserve).
       PS: If I  post a Cliff Richards song then it might change her opinion of me anytime

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          Teresa McGurkposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          NOOOOOoooooooooo!  not Cliff Richards!

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             countrywomenposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             I knew it

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             Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             I am with Teresa on this one. I once accidentally went to a Cliff Richards Gospel concert. It is one of the main reasons for my atheism. Uuuugh.

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                trooper22posted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  You are the Man Mark LOL!

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                LondonGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                How did you accidentally do that?!

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                   Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   My mum said, "Hey - Cliff Richard is here. Want to go to a concert guys?"
                   
                   Me and my 2 brothers "Oh yes please."
                   
                   Tickets arrive - say "Gospel."
                   
                   "I am not going to that."
                   
                   "Oh yes you are. I have paid for the tickets and you are damn well going."
                   
                   

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                      frogdroppingposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                      No excuses Mr Knowles. Absolutely none. You didn't have to listen - ever heard of teenage rebellion?

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                         Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                         * hangs his head in shame *

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                      LondonGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                      Fair enough, mothers have power.

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                         Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                         For a while, this is true. Once they reach a certain size, this ceases to be so. In my own dear mother's case, she developed what can only be described as Olympic quality passive/aggressive abilities to compensate,

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                            LondonGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                            Nah, it's just adapted power.

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       Lgaliposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       yes i agree too

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          countrywomenposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Thanks Lgali

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             Lgaliposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             you are always welcome how are you doing?

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                countrywomenposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                I am fine and hope everything is going well at your end too. Now time to get back to work. Have a great day my friend.
                
                

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                   Lgaliposted 15 years agoin reply to this

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       accofrancoposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       solidly behind that opinion. Thanks CW. How was your day?

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    tksenseiposted 15 years ago

    Wow, that hub really was offensive.

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    Everyday Miraclesposted 15 years ago

    He unpublished it, Glen. He posted another thread saying so. I read your comments and completely agree with you!

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       darksideposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I don't often post comments in hubs.
       
       I may post something if I disagree with a hubbers statement, for instance if they said something factually inaccurate, I'll point it out.
       
       For the most part if I disagree with a hubber opinion, I won't say anything. In fact I enjoy reading opinions that differ from mine if they deliver it with rapier like wit.

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    cindyvineposted 15 years ago

    Acco maybe next time rather stick to what you know, like the Top 10 Nigerian email scams.
    I never commented on your hub as the title was enough to put me off going there.

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    Everyday Miraclesposted 15 years ago

    I'm not much of a commenter either. I know this upsets some people, but sometimes I just don't have time. I tend to leave *long* comments. For example, here I am on the forums when my goal for today was to set up all of my hubs to break the 70 hubscore barrier before going out of town for the weekend. Go figure!

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       Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Well hubber it! lol have a great week-end EM!

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    Eaglekiwiposted 15 years ago

    Well assuming Hubpages allowed the question on in the first place let me be the first one to not throw stones..( but I can mutter ewww right?)
    
    anyway back to the question yea I prefer to say nothing if I cant be helpful,if they ask then sure but I figure we are all pretty much in the same boat ,classroom ,website at the end of the day ( just my opinion)

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       mandybeauposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       No acco would be thrown out of the Classroom sitting in the corridor, back to the wall hoping he didn't meet up with fierycj, hahahahaha freezing here today I need mittens, Hope you are in the sun. Well heat I have just realised the time thing. I always assume everyone is sitting in daylight if I am? I am not sure which I think is the bigger ..... acco or fierycj.

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          Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          my guess the small brain dictates to the big brain
          hot n muggy here kiwi sis ,kids playin , someone fixin there car
          faint smell of steak griling somewhere ,just might have to introduce myself lol
          hey you will never guess what I found growing wild here in the U.S. of A......PUHA!!!

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             mandybeauposted 15 years agoin reply to this

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    Mighty Momposted 15 years ago

    There is a famous saying by someone famous (duh) that goes something like: Be the change you want to see in the world. One could easily adapt that to Hub Pages. Be the hubber you want to read your hubs.
    If you write controversial shite you can hardly expect to get all sympathetic comments. If you write hubs that people enjoy reading, that share something of yourself, then you will get positive comments.
    But as to discouraging or destroying people's writing ambition?
    Anyone serious about improving his/her writing here on HP has a ready-made audience of helpful critics. All you have to do is ask for honest feedback. I don't even think that is necessarily reserved for newbies. If you want people to critique your writing so you can improve on it, put that out there.
    What I am trying to say is that it's unwise to confuse form and substance, or to assume that becomes someone disagrees with the substance of your hub they also disagree with the form or style in which it is written.
    Maybe your writing ambition could benefit from being stretched in a different direction content-wise (?).

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       Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       But how can we tell the experts from the wanna be experts?
       And I have seen helpful advice given and then opinion based on whether they liked the content or not?,isnt that just a personal opinion?
       My sister ( who isnt part of Hubpages) had a 20 min cruise and her first impressions were alot of people write about sex or lingerie ,or how to be sexy...I just replied well look at HB like a city and you sweetie were on THAT side of town lol

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    LondonGirlposted 15 years ago

    This isn't some mutual-masturbation, aren't-you-wonderful site. This is a site where people offer constructive criticism, as far as they can. In the case of random racist, sexist tirades, constructive may prove tricky.

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       mandybeauposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I have told him this in the past, but I haven't put it as eloqently as you lol, Read his comment on my Do you tell lies forum, shame of it is I think he is serious.

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    frogdroppingposted 15 years ago

    At least it was one time only. My Ma was born same day, same year. Had a horrible affection for Cliff. He was forever on the record player.
    
    And don't get me started about the day video players came on the scene ...
    
    I have things to say to Mr Richards.

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       Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I have met him and although he is incredibly annoying from a distance - he is one of those people whom it is impossible to say anything nasty to because he is soooo bloody nice.

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          frogdroppingposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          To be honest - I can believe that. I don't really dislike the guy, I don't know him.
          
          Saying that - her other thing was Demis Roussos and Nana Mouskouri.
          
          It was a difficult childhood.

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             Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             Add Johnny Mathis and it would appear we had the same childhood.
             
             Brother !

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       Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Sounds like my childhood too Cliff and Englebert...

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          Amanda Severnposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          And Val Doonican, and Morecambe and Wise on the telly!

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             Sufidreamerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             St Eric of Morecambe
             
             
             
             From: http://www.freefoto.com/preview/37-09-52?ffid=37-09-52

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                Amanda Severnposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                Nice one Sufi!

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    Lisa HWposted 15 years ago

    You folks had interesting parents, I'm thinking.  My mother listened to Nat King Cole and Perry Como.  I've only heard of two of the people you mentioned, and I don't know either of their music.  (Returning to the cave I've apparently been living in now...)   

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       Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I suspect we are both English

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          Lisa HWposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Ah, that explains it.  Now I don't have to wonder if I spent time in a coma and didn't know about it until now. 

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          frogdroppingposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Your thinking is correct Mr Knowles Through and through - to the marrow. And yes, Johny Mathis.
          
          Rolling Stones, The Who, John Denver, Beatles, Mike Oldfield etc etc. When my dad had charge of the record player, life was rocking, psychedelic, mellow - and Sundays was all about the Muppets
          
          Lisa - my parents weren't interesting. My dad was. My Ma was something altogether different ...

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             Sufidreamerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             So true - my dad liked The Who, The Kinks and Queen. My stepdad liked Led Zep, AC/DC and King Crimson.
             
             My mother........Cliff Richard, Lionel Richie and Stevie Wonder (when he had that horrible period in the 80's)

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    fierycjposted 15 years ago

    Did he really write a hub on that, Mark? I mean about laying a Nigerian chick and all? Did he really? I wouldn't wanna dignify him by checking it out for myself.

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       Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Yes. It is now unpublished though.

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    Lisa HWposted 15 years ago

    In fairness to anyone who writes the "out-of-line" Hub, I'll give someone the benefit of the doubt and assume they didn't realize some stuff doesn't fly well on some sites.  Some Hubbers have lost me on the forum here (when it comes to reading their Hubs), with a few too many remarks that are a "little too much".  I guess people can write what they want (???!!), but some are going to lose a lot of potential readers if they don't leave some remarks about women "at the door" when they write.  (As I write this I'm sitting here, laughing at how bizarre certain things are.    I know it isn't funny, but some stuff is just kind of amazing.     )

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    Sufidreamerposted 15 years ago

    The man was a legend - maybe a Hub at some point in the future!

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       Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       He was indeed a legend. I am kneeling and bowing as we speak.

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          Sufidreamerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          ....and I had you down as a Les Dennis worshipper

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             Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             Nah. Eric and Ernie and the two Ronnies. The good old days. 

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    Sufidreamerposted 15 years ago

    Ahh...the memories - Ronnie Barker = Comedy Genius. I loved Tommy Cooper and Spike Milligan as well.
    
    'Cannon and Ball' and 'Little and Large', on the other hand.....

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    Mark Knowlesposted 15 years ago

    You can keep them. Spike Milligan. Loved him and the rest of the goons. Before my time really, but see if you can find a recording of "the Red Fort."
    
    "Adolf Hitler - my part in his downfall" is to this day one of the funniest books I have ever read.

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       Sufidreamerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       The Goons - absolutely brilliant - my Grandad was a big fan, and had lots of their stuff, but I have a feeling that most of it went over my head.
       
       I have that book on my bookshelf - quality

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          Teresa McGurkposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          o-err-- 'e's fallen in the water!! is still squeaked out in our family for no particular reason -- that's from a Goon Show.
          AH: my part in his downfall is one of the few books that did, ever, make me laugh out loud (sorry to interrupt: just had to butt in).

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             Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             No worries - although we seem to have hijacked the thread away from the OP's destroyed writing ambitions.
             
             He's fallen in the......... whatah.

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                Teresa McGurkposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                well -- looking back through the thread, I can see we were raised with the same taste in comedy.

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                LondonGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                Good thing too (-:

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    Pearldiverposted 15 years ago

    Just to help prove the numerous points: That No One has Destroyed an ambition (In fact: the compliment has probably too subtle in a forum)..
    
    I would like to draw everyone's attention to Monty Python's skits on UTube: - Fish Slapper's Dance - Black Knight etc.
    
    And in this way I may contribute to the derivance of joy in destroying the subject matter perhaps.
    
    Seriously Enjoy

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    Mark Knowlesposted 15 years ago

    Monty Python. Now we are talking. My favorites are "The Cheese Shop," "the Dead Parrot" and "Is this the right room for an argument?"
    
    Plus the songs Spam and Lumberjacks. I could go on for ever.

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    Sufidreamerposted 15 years ago

    The films were great, too - The Life of Brian is so funny, but I like Monty Python and the Holy Grail - mainly for the Camelot song. T'is a silly place
    
    The mirth did not stop there - Fawlty Towers.......I have seen them all so many times, yet they are still funny.

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    Pearldiverposted 15 years ago

    You were referring to "The Lumberjack Song" in German or French Canadian?  My God, I'm a Kiwi... Our Modern day Jumberjacks (here) seem to have morphed between both working styles.

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    Pearldiverposted 15 years ago

    John Clease went on beyond Fawlty Towers (which is about to be released soon as a reunion series)... To produce a series of Sales & Marketing Training Videos.  They were amazing.  I used them as a training tool for my sales reps.
    
    Nice to meet you both - I'm Rob (Pearldiver) Bumble Town - NZ

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    Mark Knowlesposted 15 years ago

    Welcome
    
    I loved those training videos - I must have watched the 20 years ago.

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    Pearldiverposted 15 years ago

    Yep.. Fime tlys... I was hoping you wouldn't mention life in such periods... we only get 4 of them.

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    Sufidreamerposted 15 years ago

    Howdy, Rob,
    
    Sufi, an English exile living in Greece.
    
    I have met a few Kiwis, and appreciate the humour. I remember the training videos, although Rowan Atkinson did some funny ones a few years back - they seemed to be standard at the time

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    Pearldiverposted 15 years ago

    Sufi... I am in awe.. You Rock in the Craddle of Civilization.  Good On You mate.  Yep, Kiwis are Kiwis... You have another one as a fan ... I will tattoo 260 on my forehead and walk backwards.

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