Why do you derive joy in destroying peoples' writing ambition through discouraging comments, instead of encouraging them through polite corrections? Please if one feels that he or she is an expert, why not help the novice to learn, because a learner will one day become an expert, what do you think?
A wise person once told me that if you only want to hear positive comments and flattery, then spend your time talking to yourself in a mirror or writing in your own private journal; don't ever voice your oinions and thoughts in public because that invites others to form (and voice) their opinions in regard to you and your work. If you cannot take criticism you will never make it as a writer in any real capacity.
I absolutely agree with you on that one. I'd rather get no comments or sincere comments than just those 'phishing' comments by people who just want to see their name appear somewhere in the hope of getting clicks to their profile in order to get further clicks on their ads.
Not necessarily true. Some of my best writing has been independent of any criticism, or at least my history professors told me so. Some of my worst writing was when I took the word of other students to change my essay.
If you are publishing a book it is one thing to have an editor, but I would not rely on the opinions of others overly much. Write for yourself and laugh at all the silly comments I say.
Being able to handle criticism is not the same as blindly following/believing the criticism of others. A part of being able to take criticism is being able to discern what is worthwhile and what is not.
Either way, a writer will always face critics; that is just a fact of the business.
Cannot say I have seen or would ever view the hub here in question. Have you heard that indifference is actually a bigger insult than negative responses?
If you have real writing ambition, then you also must have something you really want to write about. When you locate that, your best writing will come. Further, if you are really serious about your writing, I don't think you would post this kind of question on the forum--you might have written to the commenter directly. Therefore, I don't think this is about writing at all...
BTW, the Hubpage audience is very mild about criticism, compared to most writing programs, guaranteed--or real life, which will criticize by simply never saying a word about your stuff--will be indifferent.
I take it that Acco's hissy fit here is fueled by me pointing out to him in said hub that his generalizations of "American women" was disgusting. This coming from a guy who is so pained by the generalization that Nigerians are scammers.
I had noticed an absence of Acco on the forum and wondered what he had been up to. Checking in to see how he was going with his hubs. What he had published was completely inappropriate. It was worse than a mohamedmm forum thread full of gay hate.
What's interesting is his hub has since been deleted or unpublished. I didn't report it, so I guess someone else did or he pulled it himself.
Personally I don't think apologising in advance for an article is good enough when it results in massively sweeping generalisations such as 'an American girl finds it pleasing to get laid with many guys', 'Every high school girl in America has a well-built site were she displays her beautiful provocative pictures and even videos' and 'This is what an Indian girl looks like, she is unique and outstanding but she lacks something, the ability to communicate well in English'.
Yep, cept some of us prefer to not have many guys at one time, it's easier with just a handful. If only because guys get jealous they aren't getting enough face time, and your like, "we'll I'll be with you in 5 minutes, you want on the train, get in line" and he's like, "well I don't want to wait in line" and "that guy cut in front" Ugh. Frustrating.
Actually.. if you take out the "every" part and change it to "many", this is actually pretty accurate. grown men everywhere are very thankful for Tom and his MYSPACE.
quit crying acco and apologizing for your hub, it was entertaining for me. If anyone bothers you with their comments tell them to screw off. Don't back down from them. "Everyone needs to learn how to get laid", that should be the title of your next hub. Get those hookers and cocaine ready for my visit to you yet?
You know, you publish on a public site you have to expect these sorts of comments. It goes with the territory. If you were writing professionally they wouldn't take the time to give you advice. Being a writer means having to develop a thick skin. You can't expect every comment to be kind and fauning.
I'm not defending accofranco -- I'll get to the "not defending" in a minute -- but I wanted to point out that he was responding, with the hub in question, to a request. I don't know whether or not the request was deleted, but someone requested "how to get laid with Indian girls" or something of that nature. I thought it was utterly disgusting, but ignored it.
I also want to point out that in several of my hubs I state at the beginning "I know that this is going to offend someone and I'm sorry if it does. This is just me." But I'm also not making sweeping generalizations about an entire culture.
Here in the United States, we have the freedom of speech. We can express whatever opinions we may have about, well, anything. Hubpages doesn't particularly police the site. We are allowed to post opinions in our hubs without fear of being deleted (in most cases). But the fact is that this is a private site, and not a public (US) domain. What you write here is allowed by Hubpages and they can also remove it if they feel it is inappropriate (and racism and hate is generally thought to be inappropriate).
What kind of feedback do you expect to get on hubs of this nature? I've been accused of only wanting comments that agree with me, but that has never been the case. I would immediately delete any comment that was insulting to another commenter as well. I absolutely will not comment on your hubs because of some of the nastiness you've allowed to get through!
I just honestly think you need to choose your topics more wisely!
Accofranco- My friend once we throw a stone in the water then the ripples are bound to happen. Now as far as the subject and treatment of it is concerned if you write stuff that makes people come but makes them leave with disgust then it is a short term strategy (as in the long run some folks like me will avoid coming in the first place). Secondly, if I call you a "genius" do you become a genius and if I call you a "fool" do you become one? You are what you are (hopefully having positive self image). Please do consider all views and sometimes the most bitter words could be the moment of truth from which we learn in life. Have a good day.
For a while, this is true. Once they reach a certain size, this ceases to be so. In my own dear mother's case, she developed what can only be described as Olympic quality passive/aggressive abilities to compensate,
I'm not much of a commenter either. I know this upsets some people, but sometimes I just don't have time. I tend to leave *long* comments. For example, here I am on the forums when my goal for today was to set up all of my hubs to break the 70 hubscore barrier before going out of town for the weekend. Go figure!
Well assuming Hubpages allowed the question on in the first place let me be the first one to not throw stones..( but I can mutter ewww right?)
anyway back to the question yea I prefer to say nothing if I cant be helpful,if they ask then sure but I figure we are all pretty much in the same boat ,classroom ,website at the end of the day ( just my opinion)
No acco would be thrown out of the Classroom sitting in the corridor, back to the wall hoping he didn't meet up with fierycj, hahahahaha freezing here today I need mittens, Hope you are in the sun. Well heat I have just realised the time thing. I always assume everyone is sitting in daylight if I am? I am not sure which I think is the bigger ..... acco or fierycj.
my guess the small brain dictates to the big brain hot n muggy here kiwi sis ,kids playin , someone fixin there car faint smell of steak griling somewhere ,just might have to introduce myself lol hey you will never guess what I found growing wild here in the U.S. of A......PUHA!!!
There is a famous saying by someone famous (duh) that goes something like: Be the change you want to see in the world. One could easily adapt that to Hub Pages. Be the hubber you want to read your hubs. If you write controversial shite you can hardly expect to get all sympathetic comments. If you write hubs that people enjoy reading, that share something of yourself, then you will get positive comments. But as to discouraging or destroying people's writing ambition? Anyone serious about improving his/her writing here on HP has a ready-made audience of helpful critics. All you have to do is ask for honest feedback. I don't even think that is necessarily reserved for newbies. If you want people to critique your writing so you can improve on it, put that out there. What I am trying to say is that it's unwise to confuse form and substance, or to assume that becomes someone disagrees with the substance of your hub they also disagree with the form or style in which it is written. Maybe your writing ambition could benefit from being stretched in a different direction content-wise (?).
But how can we tell the experts from the wanna be experts? And I have seen helpful advice given and then opinion based on whether they liked the content or not?,isnt that just a personal opinion? My sister ( who isnt part of Hubpages) had a 20 min cruise and her first impressions were alot of people write about sex or lingerie ,or how to be sexy...I just replied well look at HB like a city and you sweetie were on THAT side of town lol
This isn't some mutual-masturbation, aren't-you-wonderful site. This is a site where people offer constructive criticism, as far as they can. In the case of random racist, sexist tirades, constructive may prove tricky.
You folks had interesting parents, I'm thinking. My mother listened to Nat King Cole and Perry Como. I've only heard of two of the people you mentioned, and I don't know either of their music. (Returning to the cave I've apparently been living in now...)
In fairness to anyone who writes the "out-of-line" Hub, I'll give someone the benefit of the doubt and assume they didn't realize some stuff doesn't fly well on some sites. Some Hubbers have lost me on the forum here (when it comes to reading their Hubs), with a few too many remarks that are a "little too much". I guess people can write what they want (???!!), but some are going to lose a lot of potential readers if they don't leave some remarks about women "at the door" when they write. (As I write this I'm sitting here, laughing at how bizarre certain things are. I know it isn't funny, but some stuff is just kind of amazing. )
o-err-- 'e's fallen in the water!! is still squeaked out in our family for no particular reason -- that's from a Goon Show. AH: my part in his downfall is one of the few books that did, ever, make me laugh out loud (sorry to interrupt: just had to butt in).
John Clease went on beyond Fawlty Towers (which is about to be released soon as a reunion series)... To produce a series of Sales & Marketing Training Videos. They were amazing. I used them as a training tool for my sales reps.
Nice to meet you both - I'm Rob (Pearldiver) Bumble Town - NZ
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