In the thread that I posted about a certain person that threatened me and got no retribution, but my thread was taken down, Miss Maddie Ruud posted this last response before she shut it down:
"This entire thread is turning into a personal attack. If another hubber is breaking our rules (regarding personal attacks or anything else), please send an email to team(at)hubpages(dot)com or simply flag the hub or post in question. If you have personal issues with another hubber, please do not air them in the forums"
So my question is---Where are we suppose to discuss these things if not on the hugs nor on the forums? I don't think that those of us who are being honest and what some sort of help dealing with these other kinds of peole who seem to get off scott free when they are the ones who are calling names, being childish and antagonizing others. There are plenty of hubs that these peoole have posted their aweful remarks on and yet all we are told is to ignore them. Sometimes that works and sometimes it doesn't. So in light of this we are the ones that are hushed, not them. That isn't fair to anyone.
Where are we to discuss these things amongst ourselves?
I'm with you in this. I'm fed up with 'religious disrespect !
Well, all I can say is, I have seen it happen to you since it began and it is really unfair to you. I can't remember how it started but I remember who it started with but that person is long gone now but apparently that person slandered you enough so that when you finally said something, the only thing it did was make it look like everything that person said about you was true.
And for sure, that is more frustrating than anything else I could think of. But no worries, I don't think hp has ever written me back when I have written to them. so... I can only assume they were in the process of doing something or did and there was nothing to discuss but I don't know.
may be through emails, or phone call, or letters, or fax, or mesenger. hey, am just suggesting. other wise am also against people who attack others. So my dear friend Lady Guinevere, you have to know i sincerly empathise with you. Let us hope every one will try to control them selves not to abuse others
I had the one person contact me thrugh e-mail and they were just as bad if not worse then they were on the hub that I wrote and I reported them and yet they are stil doing the same things. They got nothing--no reprimand at all and I was told just to ignore them.
No, e-mail or any personal contact is not a good idea. We need a place where the ones who are being treated this way by the Fundies to be able to state our sides. They can do their side all over the place and just by Maddie closing that thread gives them permission to do it anytime and to anyone they wish. It gives them kudos as they are doing the right thing and those that they persecute are doing the wrong things. Where is the Freedom of Speach?
Lady Guinevere I reckon hubbers will support you in wanting to stop flame throwers, (I may be one!) When usmanali was doing his hate Jews homosexuals and Freemason thing, I gave him some solid flack, and did not get banned for it. What would you like to do? Maybe we can do what the flamers do, start a new thread and run till it gets clobbered by Maddie. Can you point me at the thread or if it is gone, one that is similar so I can see first hand what you have copped? thanks LG, keep smilin, you are great, and I just went to one of your hubs and said so an hour ago and it's still true!
Does the word 'irony' suit this thread? Mark, where are you to help me out here?
If some is doing bad to you, ignore the person. I remember some one call me "shit" a number of times, i didnt reply and he gave up. May be its better to report that person again, you never know something may change
You didn't get it! I did report them several times and I did ignore them several times and sometimes that doesn't work. I even tried being nice and that didn't work.
The whole thing is as Tantrum states--why can't we discuss these things and they can and they do disrespect all over yet they get nothing in return. There has got to be non-bias here and it doesn't look like there is--at all. Just as they have their say and the way that they want to say it--we should also have that too.
They can't because they're too busy praying for us!
I suggest you learn how to filter emails so that unwanted correspondence goes right into the trash. It's really easy and it works.
Endlessly posting and complaining in the forums just going to make people grow cold to you and admin will keep locking or deleting threads that are inappropriate.
I think Maddie's advice is sound. If you have a problem with another hubber then take it up with the staff and don't try to get other hubbers to take sides. It's middle school drama that does not need to be brought out in the forums.
I hate that you feel you're being harrassed but it's going to take a real effort on your part not to respond to those that are taunting you and to not allow comments on your hubs that you disapprove of. It really does take two to argue so don't play that persons game.
If you want to post or reply to a controversial topic then expect controversy in return. I prefer to avoid the controversial topics on forums because I came here to make new aquaintances not new enemies.
Hope you can put this past you LG because you are a good writer with a lot of passion and you shouldn't have to stress over feelings of inequality.
If you post in a forum it's impossible not 2 make enemies. There is going to be people who will think what u post is rubbish.. and scorn u 4 that It happens in all forums !
I agree it's not perfect but you have a choice! You can add to the controversy or you can choose to ignore it and move on. Most people who use the forums are seeking advice and they will take advice from people they trust. How can people trust you (in general) if you're always caught up in a controversial topic?
I think we sometimes forget that HP is an international community representing many cultures and belief systems. The "us" against "them" topics do not help anyone and they contibute nothing of value to this site.
I don't understand why people cannot read. I did not say in the forums totally.
I think Rich has a point, LG, lets try to get friends and avoid enemies, Never post where they post and if they follow you, i will help you to draft a very serious letter to the team. Fron today, let pretend they dont exist and let you build your friendship empire on hubs.
I really hope all those who attack others can change themselves
Really and truly think that don't you. Ever read any of the comments to my hubs on religion?
Now you twist my words around and put the blame back on me. Why do people do that?!
Yes I did read some of the comments but I also seen many times that you stated it was your last reply to that person only to come back and reply again. You let her take over your hub and control of the discussion. You could have chosen not to allow her comments. Screw free speech it has no place in your own private works. Nobody has the RIGHT to leave a comment on anyones hub. The AUTHOR has the RIGHT to pick and choose which comments to allow.
I don't know why you think I'm attacking you or twisting your words, I wasn't accusing you of anything or placing blame anywhere. And I actually complimented you on your passion, unless you consider that the twist. I was mearly pointing out that it takes two for an arguement to continue.
My advice to let the HP staff settle disagreements was an effort to stemmy away from the "gang" mentality that happens on the forums. The "us" against "them" threads add no value to any conversation.
Gosh, I just hate that for you...that is awful and I wish you the best of luck in sorting this nonsense out.
What you're asking 4 ,is impossible in a forum
diversity < argument
It's not impossible it's a choice
diversity < discussion
disagreement < more discussion
argument < leave discussion
not everybody thinks like you...that's the whole point !
LOL you're right but then this world would suck if everyone did.
My whole point was its all about making a choice and you are in control to do that.
Okay so everyone missed my point altogether!!!
I am not complining about e-mails and forum posts that I have received. It spawn a thought as to a discussion from those who have been in my shoes, and there are quite a bit of them here. A place in which we can discuss what is happening to us and a way to get it off our chests. Likes seek those of like and would like to talk and discuss things like these with others who have been or going through the same things.
Good grief, it happens almost all the time with any of my forum posts---people just turn it all back as a whinning thing. I have defanned said person and also blocked their e-mails and that is not what I am asking.
I'm not sure how much more clearly I can say this:
1) If another hubber is harrassing or attacking you, or otherwise behaving in a way against HubPages rules, please email me about it. If you choose not to email me about it, you cannot complain that nothing gets done.
2) The forums are not a place for airing your private grievances with other hubbers. If you need to "get it off your chest" talk to your therapist, your spouse, your friends, your cat... whatever. Do not post in the forums, because it constitutes personal attacks. Two wrongs do not make a right. If you are being attacked, do not retaliate. See #1.
3) I was not giving permission to flamers, or anything of that sort by closing your original thread. I left it open, originally, until it was revived a few days ago (after weeks of dormancy), only to be turned into a long personal attack against another user. I point you again to above points #1 and #2 for appropriate behavior in the face of conflict with another hubber.
Maddie, I did as you stated in rule number 1.
Rule number 2--then why even have a forum or a comment section at all.
The forums are for sharing tips, supporting each other, and enjoying the community.
Then maybe you should put those same rules to the flamers, not the flamees. Now do we see the bias?
Sorry LG but have to agree with livewithrichard, even this Post is designed to bring them all flocking.
If you want controversy, way to go.
Its all there in black and white in the T.O.S.
Of course no one is going to agree all the time, so personally if I am that miffed with someone, I would nicely tell them to P....Off, or reverse argue that hacks them more. But frankly the best thing to do is ignore them as if they did not exist, by just replying to all their posts with a Rolling eye smiley, no wording. Keep doing that, no argumentative person wants to argue with silence. Make all responses to supportive people really nice. Bear in mind they are probably more than one character, so anyone with the same tact, just post the smiley.
In short don't give it a thought,myou are never likely to be their Besty friend so why care, what they think.
The other things, I don't know why people need to spillon the Religious threads, all religious people are fanatical, about their personal beliefs, WHY WE HAVE WARS, so they are never going to agree with another Cult.
Exactly why this thread is needed. We need a place for those who have or are on the flaming end of the deal to get together for some comraderrie and friendship.
Sandra is also correct and she has been a friend since day one and so has Easrnest and Mark and a few others. I do have a fan club and I consider every one of them my firends. So where can we all get together to discuss what is eating us. Those who throw the flames do and they use us to get their ways while we get more flames from everyone else.
The rules may be the same for all of the hubbers, but they are not enforced to all of the hubbers. Select hubbers get better treatment then others.
:)You have had sensible advise from everyone, so why not take it.
Many senior people have given you advice, I have tried, I'm only new but have tried. The answer lies with you it really does.You want people that just hang on to your word and agree, and you are on another of my Sites with the same problems, it isridiculous. You say you want peaceful debate, etc., but that is not the message I am getting.
The site rules, terms, conditions, agreements and all that apply to every single person here. Not one or another, not everyone but a select few, but each and every single Hubpages user.
I'd say we need a Programming Forum to discuss inequality.
C#, Java, and C++ use this operator to test for inequality: !=
Visual Basic uses <> to test for inequality
We are talking about relational expressions in software, right?
I'm sorry but that is BS. There is no favoratism.
If you want to talk about other hubbers, do it through email or pms. As Maddie said, the forum is not the place. The same as following a hubber onto Facebook and complaining about him deleting your comment on his hub is not the right thing to do either.
I'm sorry, I tried to stay out of this but you just won't let it go.
I too don't see any favoritism here LG. There are rules of the place, that need to be respected. By everybody. If you opponent came to the forums with a personal attack on you, she would have been dealt with in a same manner.
You definitely are getting attacked more than most hubbers, but this is because you are passionately posting on heated topics. This is to be expected LG. If you really want it to stop, stop doing your part. It is the only way I know. And you know that I am know what I am talking about, right? I think I am getting attacked at least not less than you.
Soooo I get it that everyone has their noses on my religious hubs. I don't write more on religion then any other hub and I was only talking about a few hubbers, not everyone. So with Candi's consensus and Misha's too and Univited Writer's I will take a leave of absence from Hub Pages. I take it that even my Home making and Gardening hubs are controversial as well. Whateva!
What I would do is just take off the comments section of particular hubs that you find to be more controversial. Also, I think all hubbers get weird emails from time to time, and I would just delete these. I even received an email about a hub where I had made a comment three weeks past, but I had no desire to argue with that person. I simply deleted the email, and found it very humorous they were still thinking about it.
Well for what its worth , I havent read any of your hubs yet ,now that doesnt look right either ,but my guess is you probably havent read mine either ,and thats ok!
But to give my opinion on your post, Im not following what you would really like to happen ? (that hasnt already been suggested)
What exactly would make you feel better?
Gosh Im sure Ive pissed people off , and felt the same way in return , in fact occassionally I step away from my computer muttering what the hells he/she on ....a few minutes, or another activity Ive forgotten all about it.
I chose for it to not let it effect me that much!
You must try n do that too.
Keep it in perspective, at the end of the day its still an Internet site, not your best friend.
p.s..I am a spiritual person ,and I have my views that are different to others. I think every person is different though , and I hate stereotypes and being put in a lil box, unless of course you want me to put you in one too.
Sad truth of the matter is, is that some people are more protected than others. The admins and mods will vehemently deny it up and down; but this happens in all forums or places of communication.
I'm not saying that those who are protected are right, it's just that they're crafty. They know how to make the system work to their advantage without ever being reprehended. It's sad, but true.
My suggestion, just make an e-mail group and discuss through there about these types of people. Hubpages can't search through your e-mail and tell you stop acting mean to other people.
Or, just take the apathetic approach.
Actually (and may I be corrected if I am wrong) I don't think that's what's wanted here. I believe what LG wants is equality.
*the following is a fictional story. Any similarity to anyone is purely coincidental.*
Person A: Hi! I'm so and so, and I'm going to say a lot of not really true things about you.
Person B: You're a liar, and I'm going to expose you as the fraud you are. *writes hub*
Person C: That is NOT nice! I'm telling on you! *hub gets unpublished*
Person B: *sighs*
Person A: You're *insert a bunch of untrue things here.*
Person B: No.
Person D: That wasn't nice.
Person A: I DON'T LIKE YOU!!!! I'M FLAGGING ALL YOUR HUBS BECAUSE I DISAGREE WITH YOU!
Person D: *tries to get Person A reprimanded with no avail* Person A is being a real jerk, saying things about my friends and I.
Person E: Just shrug it off.
Person D: *sighs*
Person A: La la la, I can say what I want, La la la la! I am so special awesome! LA LA LA LA!
No one is trying to chase you out. I understand if you feel picked upon. However, as Maddie has pointed out twice, the forum is not the place to discuss it.
It will be healthier for you if you just ignore these people and realize that not everyone will agree with you and that there are some jerks out there.
This calls for a facepalm.
Trying to reason with LG has failed in the past, folks. I'm not sure at all that it'll get through if you talk nice to her, Lord knows everyone and their brother (including myself) has tried. Some people just don't take differing viewpoints as simply that, but rather take it as an attack on their person.
Sanctus, we have not met so you are getting a pass this time.
DO NOT CRITICIZE THE CUPCAKES!!!!
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