I've been writing the crap out of some hubs lately (its alot of work inserting pictures, and all that.. I wish we had a html editor interface, this capsule thing is taxing! but I assume it is designed to force us to build our page to hit high traffic, I realized that maybe the right justified picture is frowned upon on googles crawlers or something? the capsule idea is a way of constantly forcing you to think about focused segments with headers, headers being a good way to get google crawlers to see more on your page thats relevant) and so on.. but thats not my realization..
I just realized that as I build my page the score changes as I update, refresh the page after adding or changing something.. in the end you could potentially write this thing until it hits 100 changing it until it gets that score (experiement and then you'll know its well written? anyone have any views on this? when I wrote the one I'm working on now it was at 49 now its at 70 2 hours and many tweaks/additions/ changes (like adding headers) later.. hmmm feels like the score is a mentor.. but not telling me what its mentoring.. like a monk training you to think better so your ready to take the cricket from his hand...
HAPPY 2008 THE YEAR OF PROSPERITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
also of all the hubs I've written the one thats the least focused (but packed with info anyway thats unique and such) because of its length and content is getting hundreds of hits more than the focused shorter ones.. I think length is important, my hits are coming from hub pages but equally from google and that decoding love article is not what I'd concider a master peice.. I'm anxious to see what will happen when I add the 10 hub version and replace it.. love is a high hit topic right now due to valentines day coming..
Somebody needs to wrestle the QUOTE tags from Jerrico and put it where he can't reach them.
whats that supposed to mean? arent we supposed to interact?
If you can avoid quoting large slabs of text. Just quote the bits that you're specifically replying to if it's very long.
Though when I saw you quote yourself I knew it was going to be a hard battle to get you to relinquish your QUOTE hostages
LOL I'm so sorry man, It never hit me that I could just remove all but what I was quoting, I just hit the quote and scanned to the bottom of the quote tag and wrote.. I'l be sure to update my education and edicate in this manner.. thanx for the heads up.. I'll send the hostages out..
In fact you don't have to quote at all if the reply to which you are responding is immediately above your post
I am starting to like Jerrico a lot, but he's no Hemingway.
lol, thanx, but your right, I'm Jerringco I wear a bat man tights suit helmet and all sitting at my computer slamming out fast food hubs to impatient readers all over the world.. but I'm getting better at focusing my content dont you think? do you not like my hubs mark? any suggestions that may help me improve? any feedback is graciousely accepted, always looking to do better.. I have no formal writing training, just hobby writing but hubs are helping me a bit..
That actually is discernable from your hubs, and if you're serious about writing on the web, it's something you may wish to address.
I agree with relache - the best training I had was in what you'd call grad school - I had an old school prof who wouldn't let me put one extra, padding word in my thesis - he was vicious with the red pen - but I appreciated it - afterwards, long, long afterwards! You can learn to edit your own stuff to some extent - but at the beginning its very very useful to get someone else to destroy your work - and you need to leave your ego at the door - though I've got to say you are definitely going the right direction, but finding someone to edit you and tell you why would really improved you very quickly
Oh I see, but please forgive me.. when I got home 3 rats took my wallet 2 triped me and when I came to I was sitting on my compuer chair tied and gagged only fingertips protruding and the cat told me if I didnt "keep writing" he'd scratch my eyes out so I got skerd.. but no worries I'll get out of these ropes soon enough then I can write like I'm supposed to... *Smile* gotta go the cats coming back..
ouch two people say I'm no hemmingway, I cant imagine my writing is THAT bad? other than focusing the topic and size of the hub what am I doing so wrong?
I'm new and looking for all the information I can find. My only writing (real, online) has mostly been on Helium.com , (am I allowed to say that?). Meaning I'm not an experienced writer.
Mostly what I think I need to do is learn more about HubPages.
Some humor added to my insomnia, anyways.
Hemingway? Some okay. Mark Twain? Yes!
Bye for now. bjp
It's o.k. Jerrico, Charles Dickens was wordy and he did o.k.
I learned my writing skills in high school, college and grad school, not by reading books. Having someone assign writing to you, and then having group critiques afterwards were probably the most skill-building things I've done.
If you are interested, you can try these guys:
Aw, don't let them be too hard on you, Jerrico.
I haven't been to grad school. I do okay... more than okay.
If you're interested, check out the book "Steering The Craft" by Ursula K. Le Guin. It was given to me when I was 10-ish, I think, by a teacher of mine who was highly invested in myself and my writing, but it's written for adults. (Haven't looked at it in years. Perhaps I should.) As I recall, it's geared more towards fiction writing, but it contains a bunch of exercises that could be helpful for any sort of writing.
A lot of it is practice. And familiarity. The more you read (whatever you read) the more fluent you become in language... and I don't mean fluent as in mastering a foreign language... I mean learning the nuances, the ins and outs, the depth of your mother tongue.
I agree, this is an excellent book. William Zinsser has some great (and entertaining) books on the craft of writing. Most of his are about nonfiction writing. Something he wrote that has always stuck in my mind is that you should find a book on grammar that you like, then read it once a year.
"Bird by Bird" by Anne Lamott is another favorite of mine.
Jerrico: it is a lot of very simple things you could fix, like the difference between their and there. We all make typing mistakes, but I see you do this often on the forums. If I see you write like that on the forums, I'm not feeling encouraged to read your hubs because these kinds of grammatical errors turn me off (yes, I'm a grammar snob). In college (and I haven't been to grad school yet either), it was pounded into our English/Writing major heads that readers will lose interest if you have these simple errors. Don't be afraid to write something, and then walk away from it for a couple of hours, days, or months. Go back and edit. Weed it out. It is hard, but it helps.
My best training was experience.
relache I respect her she makes alot of sense. She doesnt slam or dump on people.
Practice and Constructive Criticism would be good!!
Once I wrote a sales letter once that netted me over 50,000 over the course of several months.
Selling a product I knew nothing about.
I would like you learn to write for $$$ If it helps someone along the way great.
I do not have any un realistic goals that I will write something that will make me famous or have a profound effect on this earth.
I would just like to feed my family and pay the bills with it.
I dont give a shit that much if I use what anyone thinks is proper grammar or any like that!
thanx everyone for all the advice and book ideas. as for how I type on the forums realize most people dont type here like they type in the hubs, I noticed alot of people dont worry about spelling errors or putting the ' in don't, im no different, I write for content then let the spell check handle the spelling, it simply slows me down to worry about spelling while I'm writing from inspiration, it kind of just flows out of me non stop but hub pages capsule formula helps me to edit I noticed (you should see it before I hub it lol) I've been watching my their and there in my hubs but in forums I dont really worry about grammer and such as this is my chance to be personal not business and to relax from the spell check and such.. you may not agree and I'm sorry you judge reading my hubs by grammer/spelling used in here, I can see if you read my hub and found these mistakes then that would make sense but here? however I respect to each their own.. different strokes different folks.. I think I'm becoming obsessed with hubbing however.. I've been on the computer 9 hours a day non stop writing, checking forum posts, reading hubs from others.. its getting rediculous lol, I've been even getting to the point where I go to bed and ideas pop into my head and I HAVE to get up and write..
I'm not complaining though I love that I have something exciting to look forward to, writing is my freedom, my passion.. I love interacting with all of you guys.. you teach me much in our talks.. and I appreciate your help.. my ego gets the better of me sometimes when I hear criticism but as you can see lately I've learned not to express that frustration, instead I think about what you say and realize that yoru right.. writing is alot of fun and I'm motivated to learn to write better, so thank you all for your book and idea suggestions.. have a great day!
I'm not judging. I'm simply making the choice NOT to read your hubs because of how turned off I am by your writing style on the forums. That is just me. Everyone is different.
The only exposure I have had to your hubs is your use of the forums. I haven't found a link to any of your hubs from any other source, as of yet. I don't read the hubs of every hubber I encounter in the forums. If I do, it is probably because I like the way they write in the forums, so I am encouraged to read what else they have written.
Do you see what I mean? This is how you are representing yourself.
Uh oh. I better start capitalizing again.
I hear what your saying but in here I'm not filtering my grammer, sentence structure, spelling etc.. its my moment to not worry about that.. I respect your choice not to read them, no biggie.. I also reserve the right to not agree with you about someone representing themself with grammer mistakes in a forum, honestly I believe its rediculous to judge people in this way (and yes it is judging, not a bad thing though just your way) so I dont do it, I just hope I dont offend you with my lax forum posts with no spell check or grammer etc.. I mean no offense but I'm also not going to change my routine because you dont like it.. (thats not meant to sound mean).. Your cool peoples (I love that line lol) anyway.. I appreciate your honesty.. its shows integrity..
I did join your fan club so as for a link you can click it in the box on your log in page, or in here you could click the picture and see it.. But you have me curious as to what you would think of my hub, possibly its the same irritation to you as the forum posts even though I use spell check etc.. because of my windedness of my writing.. I'm not offended that someone wont read my stuff, I write for fun and income.. fun first.. if someone reads it and likes it that feels good.. if not, that feels neutral.. I havent read your hubs either, I just read your smokeless (that was you right?) cigerette hub which was well written..
I will admit, that I, too, agree with Stacie, in that by not watching your grammar and such on a forum, it may hurt your traffic from other forum participants. As, I find that poor grammar is hard to read and understand, and if it takes me too long to figure out what is trying to be said, I give up. Same, with wordiness...
Words are your power, use them wisely. Too much and you create chaos; too little and you create nothing.
I don't believe I've thoroughly read any one of your hubs, not because of the topics but as they are so long. I do agree that long hubs tend to bring more search engine traffic, but sometimes they are harder to sit on a computer and read. Just my opinion.
I get what your saying, and I'm not disagreeing with you but I find it personally limiting to worry so much about grammar that you can't function if someone spells a few words wrong or uses their instead of there.. its like when you read your superman and bad grammar is your kryptonite, and to me its sad that you can't get past this judgment mindset, and yes it is a judgment no matter how you want to coin it (no offense)
I understand the world views of this and the "image" I do.. but to me its a weakness (not that your weak but if for example it were my hang up personally I'd feel it was a weakness I'd have to fix by adjusting my judgment filters) as dr. Phil states in life law number something.. their is no reality, their is only perception, my perception is that i don’t see grammar as something that I judge in a forum environment, now on your hubs that would be different, for then I have my professional hat on and expect more out of public writing.. but here I could care less if you don’t spell check, I just snicker at the error a bit as I pass it and read on.. I know what you meant even if you spell it wrong.. like my name for example, most of the time I just see it, and pass it to read the message, for the spelling wasn’t your true focus,
not to be able to surpass this and read the context.. personally I can read anyone’s misspelled strangely worded, or over/under worded rant and sure I notice the errors but they don’t stop me from pursuing the authors point, I find that in being able to persevere through someone’s text despite their errors a strength.. and being caught up or distracted a weakness.. possibly a spelling/grammar obsession that should be limited to your hubs, sure expect more out of others in the hub arena but you miss so much when you limit yourself by making such a big deal of grammar.. distracting? teach yourself to skim past it for the bigger picture..
Again I get the image thing, but honestly how hard is it to put your judgment mind in the drawer on a forum to enjoy the context and the character of the writer.. not by his/her laxed writing but by their consistencies (not errors but their context consistencies).. just my opinion...
that said I will work on my grammar and spelling as the other good point is, presentation and respect and common courtesy of others who have chosen to read your words.. and so I will take the initiative to try harder, even in here because that’s just the kind of guy I am.. *smile*
and to take your side, what is written in this forum is here forever, new hubers look to the forum specifically this section for advice and insight, and when they see your advice never having seen your hub pages at all they have but nothing else to percieve you by and so it behoothes me and everyone else to present ourselves in here with pride, good grammer and spelling and to set a good example for future hubbers of the world..
In everyone who posted about my grammer and spelling's defense, You were all right, and taught me a valuable lesson. allow me to endulge you: I wrote my explanation here then thought hmm what a unique idea for a hub
I'm writing a hub in your honor about this to hopefully help others realize their actions especially in a forum have consequences (google search anyone?) anyone mind if I use your forum posts in my hub if needbe with credit next to your name? as an example of my ignorance.. and your enlightenment.
You may want to double check your hubs, I've seen the same there as well. They're full of smelling pistakes.
And anyway, double checking what you're about to post in a forum thread so you're not missing out some important words that change the whole meaning of a sentence as well as not repeating yourself results in clear and concise communication.
Jerrico - better still is simply to go back and be born Scottish
What I suggest and what I am going to do from now on is write my hubs in Word and then transfer them after grammar and spelling are checked to add pics and capsules. Spelling, grammar and sentence construction, in my opinion, as a writer, is extremely important. It makes you appear more credible as an author. Who wants to read a bunch of words that are lumped together, misspelled, with improper use of the English language and the like........I never went to grad school, but I am an undergrad and wrote alot in college with that same professor who had the same exact red pen as I think Lizzie mentioned....anyways, you all get my point....I like Word because it has better spell check, a thesaurus (don't know if I spelled that right! ) and it does alert you that your sentences may not be gramatically correct and such....just my humble opinion, Jerricho.....no one is trying to insult you, just help....I am sure I could use some as well and maybe others too, so I will try the above things mentioned as well, links, books, whatever it is I think I need to improve my writing.....that is what I am here for and I think you are too, so just take it in stride and don't get offended....
I must say I agree. I teach adult literacy and I'm quite happy helping individuals to improve their grammar/punctuation/spelling etc. as part of my job. However, when I read for pleasure (or for information), I find basic English errors distracting and annoying and I tend not to want to read any more.
Of course, everyone makes mistakes from time to time. Typos and such like don't bother me in forums where thoughts are jotted down quickly, but I think when you're writing a hub for public consumption it should be as good as you can possibly make it. It's a good idea to proof read it yourself and to get someone else to check it too if you can.
Just my two pennies' worth.
Ooh and I can't bear missing out apostrophes even when I'm sending a text message. Why doesn't predictive text put them in for you? Is it just teachers who feel this way?
first off my name is spelled J E R R I C O its right there on my picture why doesnt anyone spell it right? is it that hard? lol. I am mildly entertained that people mention my spelling mistakes and the same people spell my name wrong.. just something humorous, no insult intended.. I dont have spelling mistakes on my hubs their talking about IN HERE.
I write everything in word then chunk it off in hub pages add pictures and so forth.. with all the capsules that vanish when I hit the save button its dangerous to write anything in the capsule exclusively.. 1 out of 10 saves vanish and Im cyberyized to that ghost version of my page where my only recourse is to refresh and rebuild the capsule.. sigh..
Considering I've seen your name spelled correctly many times, I'm wondering who exactly this is directed to?
I'm pretty big on spelling names correctly too. Especially as mine is OFTEN misspelled.
Caspar, I'm totally with you on that and I'm not a teacher!
I am new to this group. It is great reading the comments and responses. While I am not a strong writer, I am hoping to strengthen my writing by observing and participating in these discussions. Our society, in my opinion, has lost the art of writing. Anything that can inspire and motivate me to write better, I am all for it. I guess I am confused about why some of us are on. Is it to show off the art of writing, to inform, to make friends, to earn money or to help others? I know that I am not as strong of a writer as others are on here but I do like giving my opinions and reading other people's opinions.
You are an inspiration dxdukes.. I love your attitude.. reading that post the movie (one of my absolute favorites) freedom writers came to mind.. it was a day later that I found this page.. I like to think were all freedom writers.. so you make a good point.. a piece of advice though.. don't say your not a strong writer even if you aren’t.. Thoughts become things (the secret dvd) instead say, I yearn to be a strong writer like some of you, saying "im not" anything is like sending the wrong subconscious signal to your universe (and subconscious through repetition and belief)
yes welcome Darlene, glad to have you aboard. I noticed that some times we get a bit heated, or opinionated in here about certain topics but then it hits me.. were writers! were all writing out opinion as professional hubs, our opinions in work suit's.. so getting offended is just silly (my part) opinions are what we (writers) do! and help one another is also what we do.. you'll find darlene that this forum is chalked full of wonderfully helpful chaps.. just don't get offended if they critique your work.. they mean only to help.. have a wonderful day.
Welcome dxdukes. I suspect it is a combination of all those things.
I agree that is is probably a combination.
....sometimes, it is because I'm at work and super bored!
Jerrico, my name gets spelled wrongly all the time. If you have a name that people are used to seeing spelled another way, you have to expect it IMO. Most people are accustomed to "Jericho" so that's what they're inclined to remember. It's human nature.
I'm dying of curiosity over the Scottish thing!
Finally, I agree with all the comments about the importance of good grammar, punctuation and spelling. I have definitely explored some Hubs purely because someone's writing in the forums has attracted my attention - good writing shows, even in a forum post. So Jerrico, I'd advise spending a few minutes editing your forum posts, too!
I know but I was just going with the flow in giving back what they were teaching me (it shows I'm listening and shows that they too need to take their own advice if nothing more than to show me through example that they speak of wisdom not just to speak opinions).. spelling of ones name is a very personal thing, when you say jericho your not talking to me, I'm Jerrico.. if I called you by a name I thought was cool (remember isabella getting irritated that I spelled her name wrong?) you'd feel that I wasnt giving you the respect your name entitles, a name you were given at birth and that is as old as you are, and as intimately connected as your personality.. whole books have been written on this topic..
it shows my uniqueness my personality, me.. you cant say spell right its a distraction to read it then not take the time to spell a name correct.. I'm not offended just want no hypocracy, I am not saying this out of irritation just showing people that it works both ways, I dont irritate you by writing better, spell checking my posts (an escrutiating extra step I hate doing in here as I have to do it on hubs every time I write) so I just ask you spell my name correctly to show some respect..
I can't help that they are accoustomed to spelling it jericho, the fact remains that it is a word with a definate spelling like any other word it should be their attention to pay attention to the spelling if nothing more than to respect me, its on my picture in big bold letters, one doesnt have to go far to see it even when replying as its also in the quote fields.. in short.. compromise. (D) *smiles* (D)
I'm on it sistah.. *gable smacks down* I now spell check and try to keep it focused.
Jerrico, remember what darkside said about quoting??
Between us, we'll get you wrestled into shape!
I'm kind of cracking up because Jerrico probably thinks we are all slapping him around!
slap away.. I got a hub out of this lesson you guys gave me.. trust me I'm not offended at all (although in the beginning of the heat of the moment I admit my initial impression is negitive but subsides when I start to question the validity of your information as being my best intrests) I'm almost done with the "ego" hub and this thread inspired me so its cool.. just keep it real but polite (no personal attacks)
I know, Stacie! Poor Jerrico, we give him a hard time!
Maybe Jerrico could take some comfort from this story (I seem to be in the mood for story-telling today!).
When I started ballet, I had a real martinet of a ballet teacher. She was the caricature - you know, the old lady with the walking stick and a stinging tongue. And I felt she was always picking on me. Eventually I started crying.
Of course I got no sympathy. She told me, tartly, that I had no reason to be upset - in fact I should feel complimented. She didn't waste her valuable time on correcting pupils unless they had talent - because the pupils without ability wouldn't be successful, no matter how hard they tried.
Personally I though that was rather a harsh judgment on the "non-talented", but it certainly made me feel a bit better!
Wow. Jerrico, that was long-winded, but so much easier to read!
I guess it is judgmental when I mishear something and ask someone to repeat what they said because they didn't speak clearly?
All we are asking is for you to write clearly. It is a million times easier to read.
well I start my second income stream today.. 9.00 a hit.. faster money and less work than a hub page.. score! (not get rich quick, more like royalties) just uplaod to their server make ad and if I never check back ever the money rolls in when they sell it.. ok over sharing..
In my opinion, it is simply common courtesy in communicating to do so as efficiently and correctly as possible. In conversation, for instance, we don't shout, we don't look away, we don't mumble. In writing, we try not to waste people's time with misspellings, poor grammar or rambling on. Every unnecessary word makes communicating more difficult. If we're not sure how to spell a word, it's thoughtful to look it up, and correct it, rather than to put that responsibility on the reader. Everyone makes mistakes, but it's incumbent upon us to make our best effort to be correct. It's thoughtful, it's polite, it's professional. Good writing makes for good reading.
If that didn't hit the nail on the head then I think it took out medium sized city.
That is profound. I wish I wrote that.
If I ever need to use it somewhere can I republish it? I will credit it to "William F. Torpey".
Darkside, you are welcome to use anything I write at any time.
Word for word that's EXACTLY what I was thinking when I read this:
Jerrico, step away from the keyboard. Slowly... slowly... turn around and stumble towards the closest bed or sofa.
you took that out of context.. said I thought (past tense) she was, but respect her now.. dont misquote me
I'm not quoting what you meant to say, but the way you've said it.
Yes Jerrico, you're sounding just a weeeeee bit tired! That bit about selling downloads didn't make any sense to me.
I'm glad we understand each other now. All writers have egos - we must have, to imagine anyone would want to read what we write So I know how you feel. I remember it was a shock, the first time I let other writers see my work and they kicked the cr*p out of it.
can't bro.. too much to do.. I got to finish these two hubs, and launch my line of CD's as download CD's need to get rent lol, or I'll be hooking this puter up to a starbucks lol.. I'm kinda excited, never did this before, its alot like how you post pictures and get paid when they sell em, only you get prob 9 bucks a sale, and its a download, nothing to create ship blah.. just free money.. they advertize.. sweet! if this works I can spend more time on hub pages writing (and staying out of the forum so dam much, such a distraction!!!) any download CD retailers know about how this works?
If you use a recent version of firefox it will automatically underline misspelled words in red when you're typing in a text area (such as when making a HubPages forum post). It won't catch grammar mistakes and the dictionary isn't perfect. Nevertheless, it should help eliminate most run of the mill typos and spelling errors without much effort on your part.
Anyone seen the secret dvd? one thing they said that I love is you think something and it becomes real, but thank god theirs a delay from thought to manifestation. That is our gift, our chance to change things before they manifest fully.. This forum vs a chat room is that ideal.. in a chat room all us opinionated writers (a good thing shows strong intellectual dispositions) would probably beat the hell out of one another, but in this forum even the tiffs or irritations have a delay, we write hit post then have apx 30 seconds to change our mind, delete the post and hope no one saw it (if its a waste of time).. Otherwise we have 12 hours to delete it if we make amends so it doesn’t fully manifest (cant change it or del it) right away.. Just thought I'd share that.. I'm a philosopher at heart.
Jerrico, did you read my post about my ballet instructor? Next time we pick on you, just think of me and darkside as your cranky teachers!
I love you guys no matter what you say, if it hurts to hear it I figure your probably right.. for what hurts usually is a tear in the matrix code so I appreciate your words especially the ones that hurt.all I ask is that you be patient with me, I'm not perfect but I do try, I may start off holding up the shield but I always let it down and think about it.. then come back telling you thank you for pointing that out.. I sometimes have a strong personality when my ego is hurt, but I thank god for you guys having incredible patience with a green writer chap like myself how else would I learn and grow so I can pick on a new guy someday too? hehe..
You and dark side have impressed me, you more so because at one point i not like you, think you be mean lady.. but I've since come to respect the hell otu of you and dark side too he tells it like it is, polite but stern.. good giy, mark too.. and others I can't remember (linkin park is blasting at 50 decibles
I'm sure that gem will be buried under possibly dozens of posts as this thread powers on, so I've added it to my Five Simple Steps To Becoming A Good Writer hub.
Jerrico. I like you a lot. Your heart is in the right place and that's important to me. Quote me all you like.
thank you (just dont quote in the forum too much right?) *smile/grin* hehe
So what do you guys think of Wal-Mart (ducks).. LOL I used to work at one and built a CD to inspire the employees (I was a manager) to like their job (I converted the sounds of everything from register beeps to that annoying self check out woman (computer) and the alarm at the door) and made them into a meditation CD with some really nice sounding music I created.. I wanted to re-anchor the sounds of this hell into a positive reframing to meditative states of bliss.. So they'd learn to love their work (so they’d stop complaining and stop polluting my environment with their negative energies)
(Not an easy place to do this) I wanted to publish these tracks with an article on the place (this place is high controversy too so it may make a high hit hub).. Does anyone know how to insert music into a Youtube console?
You can use Windows Movie Maker (in XP). Use an image (or 50, and fade in/fade out) and put the music track with it.
Produce it as an mpeg.
Upload to Youtube (I think it's got to be smaller than 100 meg and shorter than 10 minutes, which is easy if it's just an average length music track).
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