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   PirateGirlposted 15 years ago

   I have read both Mark Knowles and Atomswifey being owed an apology, jeeez this is a Forum. I always thought a Forum was a place for public debate, if you don't want anyones views stay off the Forums.
   
   Same applies to a Hub, once you post something on the internet you leave yourself open to both good and bad comments. Sorry but the internet is like life and I think some people think it should be Disneyland, it's not and if you don't like that well just don't bother posting.
   
   I personally blame the Hubstaff for imposing bans over silly things, this is the real world, not Disney World. ! I sometimes wonder if half you people venture out the front door !

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      James Agbogunposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Silly things? Blame? Silly things attracts silly people. Rules and laws are essential for community living. And where is this apology thing coming from? By now Mark knowles must have realised his status on Hubpages. If he does not come back after all these reaction, then.....

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         Pearldiverposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Then.... WHAT? 
         To the best of my knowledge Mark apologised to Atomshubby.
         I really don't think any 'Junior' Hubbers should assume that they are best to judge 'Senior' Hubbers in any instance.
         These guys and gals helped build this site and laid the foundations for what it is today. Let's face it.. it's slipped in the last few months, because Fruitcakes, Spammers and Non Writers are able to post in a writer's forum.
         
         If some jumped up 'junior' hubber thinks that trying to 'make their bones' with total disrespect towards more senior hubbers.... then.... Expect to get shot down for the effort.
         
         I believe this is Mark's appology....
         
         http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/22132

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      nicompposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I agree. I started the second "apology owed" thread to point out the silliness of the first. If an atheist can't take a little semi-anonymous criticism, he needs to get himself to church.

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   torimariposted 15 years ago

   I concur indeed.

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      PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you !

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   Luciendaskyposted 15 years ago

   I don't know PG, I think I am owed an apology for having my WOW thread deleted

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      torimariposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      As in World Of Warcraft? If so, I missed it but I totally would have participated in it.

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         Luciendaskyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         no, not is world of warcraft - I was excited about a goal I had reached

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            torimariposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Haha, I'm sorry! My inner dork...anywayyy

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            Luciendaskyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            no problem Dorks, nerds and geeks are all allowed

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      PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I would like to know why that thread was deleted, any answers to that HP staff ?

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         WaffleCheeseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Totally!
         
         In fact, on all my hubs I always approve both the negative and the positive. It really helps in making the hub better and, in a way, me.
         
         I appreciate debate and I love doing it. Opinions, unfortunately, are many time conclusions, and I find that is sad.
         
         Opinions should not be conclusions, but they should be a means to an ever changing end.
         
         I believe that once we have found truth it doesn't mean we have completed our search. Knowledge can be added upon and truth can be clarified. The phrase 'I know' should be preceded by 'so far', as well as continued investigation of all evidence.

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            PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Well said, hey yer cute, you free tonight

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               Luciendaskyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               CG, I must say, I am a little hurt

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                  PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  Don't be BadCo fancies the pants of you

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            WaffleCheeseposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            I'm flattered, Pirategirl, but taken. Otherwise . . . haha

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         Luciendaskyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         I think it is a little funny

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         chucky12posted 15 years agoin reply to this

         When I first came on.. to this place, it was a breeze. People all over the Globe being real and sayin it like it was.
         Well their version anyway.
         As ya can see havent been here for a while, never wrote a bloody Hub, half wrote them, but decided that most would be criticised.
         I noticed that the Forums that had been a little bit wild and well kewl, were suddenly full of rules, so gave them away as well.
         Well today back to have a see out and, it is still the same.
         Debate is Debate as ya say, How the Hell can ya debate, if half your mind is on the blasted TOS and the other bit on being nice to people or debating in a nice sorta way.
         Ya right ya argue debate in real life with no rulz so How come on the Internet, where anything goes are all these ninnies runnin around saying No to this and No to that.
         Probley the biggest Power trip most of them would ever get.
         I say get a life, and I would maybe write a Hub.

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      mtsi1098posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      why was the thread deleted?

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         hubtivistposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Wasn't deleted, only lost. And found.

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   Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago

   I think you owe me an apology for this thread
   
   Just kidding, I think all these threads are silly myself too.

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   rebekahELLEposted 15 years ago

   it's an open forum. nobody should be telling anybody else to apologize to someone. everyone has to deal with their own karma.
   it you throw it out there, it's coming back.

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   A Texanposted 15 years ago

   "I personally blame the Hubstaff for imposing bans over silly things, this is the real world, not Disney World."
   
   It sure ain't Disney World, too many sensitive people attacking others but can't stand it when it happens to them!

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      PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Ohhhh booo hooo for them, they should be thankful they aint living in a warzone or a third world country where you have to walk 10 miles to get water. Get to hell over yourselves !

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      tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Brother, you said it!

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         Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         The ban is on personal attacks. Which shouldn't be an issue because we're all adults. If someone is immature enough to name call they should be banned. You're right this is "the real world" and in the real world do you call a perfect stranger a curse word? Nope.

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            tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            But if you 'express' the exact same sentiments in passive-aggressive comments that are so ridiculously thinly veiled they could be an SNL skit it's ok. You can then boast of 'forcing' hubpages to do your bidding while being as petty and spiteful as you like.
            
            Childish on many levels.

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   Luciendaskyposted 15 years ago

   Hey CG I found my thread, it was actually called WOO HOO and not WOW - so it is still out there is nowhere world

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      BadCoposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Glad to hear it, so how is my fav girl

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   Luciendaskyposted 15 years ago

   Not sure how CG is doing, but I a little sick

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      PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Awwww what's wrong with you ?

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         Luciendaskyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         I have the flu, my bf's nephew gave it to me

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            cosetteposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            oh noes. i hope you feel better.

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         Luciendaskyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         how are you guys?

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            PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Awww poor babes, we are good the Captain is writing his new hub " Top 10 things that annoy me " and I am almost finished my new poem but it's all calm at sea today

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               Luciendaskyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               I am glad things are calm for you I can't wait to read your new poem and the good, I mean BAD captain's new hub!

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                  BadCoposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  It's just so hard finding 10 things that annoy me lol !

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                     Luciendaskyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     lol nevertheless I am excited to read it,
                     
                     Thank you Cosette, I am feeling better than I did yesterday, so I should be good to go soon!

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                        PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                        Hey btw we saw you on the main page today sitting on the top 3 hubbers, you deserved that we love you x

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                           Luciendaskyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                           me???

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                              PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                              Yes you were sitting at number 2 at the time !

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                     Sufidreamerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     Ol' Beetroot Face, slow referee's watches and Michael Owen
                     
                     There's three for you

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                        BadCoposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                        Lol don't start me off again, just getting over that !

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   Ladybird33posted 15 years ago

   I agree with you...more than you know.

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      PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you x

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    frogdroppingposted 15 years ago

    I am owed a HUGE one from my mother and her silly sons PG. Perhaps we can start a new thread, asking her to apologise. I know whe never would, even if she read it. But I'm an eternal optimist
    
    You're looking good by the way. I used a gratuitous picture of you on my blog. You had far too many clothes on unfortunately

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       PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Really, I am looking for a more erotic Avatar

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          frogdroppingposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          I suggest no clothes, back to camera, looking over your shoulder ... looking through a spyglass or perhaps at something - huge - in the distance

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             PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             I think I have a friend who is a wizard at photoshop who may just get that

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                frogdroppingposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                I'm waiting

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                   LiamBeanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   Yup Me Too. Truth be told, I can't find a better graphic for the avatar than the one you have now. At least...that's my opinion.

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    Jane Dee Summersposted 15 years ago

    What happened? What did I miss.

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    Colebabieposted 15 years ago

    It has to do with the level of sensitivity of the person being offended. If it was an SNL skit type comment meant to be funny but the person got offended, it doesn't matter the intention it was still a personal attack. The point of the banning is to protect the people who have been attacked while teaching a lesson to those who have done the attacking. You can't be mad at being banned if you did something that wasn't allowed, regardless of your intention. It'll make you be a little more careful next time.

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       LiamBeanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Absotively! Posilutely!
       
       
       
       Not so sure about that. One can be too "thin skinned."
       
       
       
       Fortunately bans are typically three days. Most live through that.

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    Mighty Momposted 15 years ago

    Um, at the risk of being called anti-Disney, may I point out that the behavior being described:
    
    "It sure ain't Disney World, too many sensitive people attacking others but can't stand it when it happens to them!"
    
    is actually quite Disney-esque. Think of every Disney villian you've ever seen. May not appear sensitive on the outside but bullying behavior covers up intense personal insecurity. Case in point, the evil queen in Snow White "Mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the fairest one of all?" (can we say, poor self-esteem?)
    Look at the evil stepmother and stepsisters in Cinderella. Man, they can dish it out, but in the end they cannot take it, can they?
    
    So really, this kind of attack/retreat/sensitivity/rebuff/attack is kinda universal...

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       tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       LOL! That sure does remind me of someone!!!

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    Colebabieposted 15 years ago

    Yes one can be too thin skinned (I'm not one of them). There will always be people like that. But you learn just to not deal with those people. Its not even worth having a conversation with them. And it isn't hard to avoid people here, I've done it (the ones who have called me names ). There are the bullies, then there are the tattle tales. Most of us are in between. I talk to those who are in between

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       tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       There sure will, unfortunately.

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    Leta Sposted 15 years ago

    Sorry, no.  I see cases of defamation and libel in some instances.  Period.  Especially against those who use real names and have a professional reputation to uphold.
    
    This isn't Disneyland or grade school.

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       Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I wish it was. Except Disneyworld, its better than Disneyland.

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       PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I have to hold my hand up to your comment being true Lita so I retract my orginal comment.

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       tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       See, there it is.
       
       
       Translation: Don't say anything I don't like or I will sue you. Oh, and by the way, I'm wonderful.
       
       
       
       
       This attitude does not breed good discussions.

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          PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          A translating dog, I could make a fortune with you

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             tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             Family Guy beat you to it.

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                mtsi1098posted 15 years agoin reply to this

                does this mean you drink martini's?

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                   tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   Not a fan. I mostly drink sake.

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                      mtsi1098posted 15 years agoin reply to this

                      warm or cold?

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                         tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                         I prefer warm. How 'bout you?

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                            mtsi1098posted 15 years agoin reply to this

                            same...tried cold once and did not like it

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                               tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                               Well, the higher quality sake is best served cold, but I guess I'm a slave to tradition.

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                PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                I don't watch cartoons, only leave comments to them

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                   tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   You should, some of them are pretty good.

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       Daniel Carterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Disney Land is purportedly "the happiest place on earth."
       I think the religion forum rivals it, based on volume of blood rush and exhilaration. (And is perhaps as real-world as Disney Land.) I think responding in such blood-pumping ways can be a really weird happiness for some who don't know how to get themselves out of there. It is addicting, if you like to philosophize.
       
       All that being said, there's a lot of middle school mentality and ego going on by way of comments and retorts. But it is what it is. It won't go away until we as individuals are ready to respond differently than we have. The change has to occur from the inside, not by forcing rules and policies from the outside.
       
       And, yes, there are those who enjoy argument for the sake of argument. It's certainly not all bad. Challenging viewpoints is what makes us stretch and grow in many cases. But causing damage shouldn't be the intent.

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          PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          DC that is the best reply so far on this thread, well said !

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             Daniel Carterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             Thanks, love!
             I like your points. You are thinking much further beyond adolescent mentality, as are so many others here. On the whole, I think we have a great community. We just forget that we are adults at times.
             LOL

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    Jane Dee Summersposted 15 years ago

    Debates are healthy, opinions are subjective.
    
    If a person is prepared to apologise, try and accept it!
    
    We're all in it together. Let's kiss and make up!
    
    xxx

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       mtsi1098posted 15 years agoin reply to this

       someone kissing someone...I must be in the wrong thread

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    Jane Dee Summersposted 15 years ago

    Froggy's waiting for a kiss.

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       Paradise7posted 15 years agoin reply to this

       She turned out to be a beautiful woman.  If Froggy ws a beautiful man, I wouldn't mind obligin'.

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    Colebabieposted 15 years ago

    I don't see that TK. She was just making a statement.

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       PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Damn obvious to anyone Cole !

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    Jane Dee Summersposted 15 years ago

    Ooopps. It keeps happening, who let the dogs out?

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    Jane Dee Summersposted 15 years ago

    Down boy!

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    Pr0metheusposted 15 years ago

    To me it seems like certain people feed off others disliking them.  That's why they continue to poke, prod, be condescending, and irritating.
    
    Nobody is owed an apology - and people should let those threads drop.  They're just adding fuel to the fire.

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    Jane Dee Summersposted 15 years ago

    Darling P, your age please.

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    Jane Dee Summersposted 15 years ago

    Maybe some warm milk would be more soothing for the moment!

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       mtsi1098posted 15 years agoin reply to this

       that would put me to sleep...not ready yet

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    Colebabieposted 15 years ago

    I had a sake bomb once. I think I threw up that night. I'll have to try it the right way next time.

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       tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       That kind of waste of good sake is tragic.

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       mtsi1098posted 15 years agoin reply to this

       what is a sake bomb?

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          Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          "Sake...sake...sake...BOMB!"
          You drop a shot glass of warm sake into a glass of beer or Red Bull and chug it.

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             mtsi1098posted 15 years agoin reply to this

             sounds like it would knock me over...I did try an oyster dropped into a glass of beer...then chugged the beer...it was ok but I never tried it again

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    Jane Dee Summersposted 15 years ago

    No mtsi the warm milk is not for you!

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    Paradise7posted 15 years ago

    You know what else?  Compelling someone to apologize is like compelling someone to recant.  They can't possibly be sincere, under compulsion, so it's a waste of time.  And not Disneyland, but grade school.
    
    Other than that thing with the Forums which put the Hub People Administration folks at a loss, I'm sure, for what to do?  Things were getting a little too hostile, a little too personal, a little too far out of hand...a lot of people complained and were getting uncomfortable at the tone doncha see?  What else could the Hub People Administrators do?
    
    So they tried, they did their best, and I guess it all worked out ok.  I'm more comfortable now visiting forums (like this one), but then, I supppose the point of view which says if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen, is valid, too.
    
    Whatever.  Peace.  Love.  All good stuff.
    
    

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       chucky12posted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Ya right, I always say to myself when forced to apologise. I mean it anyway ya silly bugger. (under my breath odf course.)

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    Jane Dee Summersposted 15 years ago

    Well said chucky. I have aplogised on hub, the attack was totally uncalled for, but what the hell.
    
    The complaints always seem to come from the same people. (the unofficial hub police.)

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    Eaglekiwiposted 15 years ago

    Well just in case it all a huge 'Pimp my Profile marketing opportunity I would sincerely like to opologise to all I have offended in launguage, threat or attack on ones interity
    
    No animals have been hurt in the making of this post-signed@Ekiwi
    
    

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    Jane Dee Summersposted 15 years ago

    He might just apologise!

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    \Brenda Scullyposted 15 years ago

    strong words there Pearl diver, strong words, i am wondering if all this falling out is over and done with now.....

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    PirateGirlposted 15 years ago

    Well said PD  !

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    Jane Dee Summersposted 15 years ago

    Was that one for me PD. I was just stirring the pot again.
    
    I don't really know what the rub a dub dub was all about? If I'm a junior on hub, well hon I'm delighted. Must be the colour I use to hide the grey.
    
    Good on you BS for calming the waters once again.

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    Pearldiverposted 15 years ago

    This is going to flare up time and time again until the storm has blown itself out. If that means I fly a kite in those winds; so be it.  No JDS it wasn't.

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    \Brenda Scullyposted 15 years ago

    i am just wondering if we are getting anywhere, or are we just going round and round in circles..... and do you think some people just need to argue about something, anything would do...... i have no idea myself, but when you read these threads from start to finish, you could almost lose respect for people as really and truly a lot of it does not really matter, and it must be a waste of people's time and energy...
    
              could be wrong of course......

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       rednckwmnposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I have "real life" friends, that truly need to argue. well, ok, its my sister in law. Her, and my husband, fight like you would not belive. They say the most awful things to each other. And because I love them both, and hate fighting, it usally makes me cry. Then they laugh and say "what are you so upset about?" They are not bothered, in the slightest. I have finaly learned after 15 years or so, that when they start, I leave the room. To me, forums aer simalar. Once, I said some things that were out of character for me, things I did not truly mean, and I felt bad about it. So I apologized. since then, Ive tried to stay out of the religious forum. Wether or not anyone needs to apologize for anything else, is none of my business.

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    Jane Dee Summersposted 15 years ago

    Thanks hon, was about to apologise. That face is far too cute for such an outburst.

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    Jane Dee Summersposted 15 years ago

    Too right BS.
    Wow, everyone was Kang Fu Fighting!

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       \Brenda Scullyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       such a waste of time and energy

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    Pearldiverposted 15 years ago

    Yes Brenda some people do just want to argue for the sake of it, however I tend to see (from reading these threads) that it tends to be more one of antagonising others based on religious beliefs, until they bite back and do so from sheer frustration.
    
    Take Non Writers out of a Writer's Forum and that will reduce the problem by 30%, although most of those parties are secondary entities.
    
    Personally; I believe you treat people the way you wish to be treated yourself!
    But as INXS said "Sometimes you Kick - Sometimes you get Kicked!"
    I guess Mark's reply above is in his veiw a well deserved "KicK"

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       rhamsonposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Or, somedays' you're the bug and somedays' you're the windsheild.

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    \Brenda Scullyposted 15 years ago

    I just wonder if these people were ignored would they eventually go away.... it is so annoying as to me what goes on in here is little to do with religion, don't ya think

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       Pearldiverposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       NO the objectives are not that positive. It is exposure and attention that they could not get in person (face - face).

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          \Brenda Scullyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          OH RIGHT, WELL nobody seems to listen to their message do they????

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    Jane Dee Summersposted 15 years ago

    That's ok Redn. I think we all feel the same about it.
    
    The best way to calm one's soul is to try and see the funny side and stir the pot a little more, so we can all see how silly it is !

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       rednckwmnposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       HA HA HA HA stir the pot!! It is all so funny and fake at times? isnt it? I mean...TURN YOUR DAMN COUMPUTER OFF!! Really, why get all worked up, you can just .....go outside? I do think I would feel bad if I hurt someone's feelings though. ONCE I got all mad, but it really wasnt AW's fault. I already felt bad, and took it out on her. SO, I apologized. Its wrong to blame someone else for your own bad mood. "that being said"    I know this is online and all, I would never demand an apology from someone. I simply turn my comoputer off, or push delete...no biggy...

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    Jane Dee Summersposted 15 years ago

    Where did you come from RHAMSON, well noted and welcome. It's not always like this....but we are having fun.
    
    BS don't stress, your roses are simply beautiful.

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    Jane Dee Summersposted 15 years ago

    No DC, I think it's all about having the last say! It's human nature.

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       Daniel Carterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       

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       rednckwmnposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       NO!! Wait, I want the last say....
       Disney land is too expensive for me.

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       Pearldiverposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Yip Daniel's on to it in more than one way He neglected to include the rushing of blood in his '97 Almost 100 fans' Thread Yip that was also a growing experiece DC

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          Daniel Carterposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Hey I never exempted myself from self promotion and usury!!!
          LOL
          
          You nailed me, dude.

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             Pearldiverposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             Well Now You Are Earning Them

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    PirateGirlposted 15 years ago

    Yeah but that is ok and can be fun if it's good natured banter but when it get's personal as in religion or personal then that is different. Personally I think the Forums would be dead if we were all serious, I think  that's why we were blessed with a sense of humor, well most of us !

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    Jane Dee Summersposted 15 years ago

    Hub would be out of business if we all just turned our comps off.
    You are still young and angry! Could be a distructive combo, dear girl.

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       rednckwmnposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       who, me? young and angry?
       Maybe I misunderstood....
       ummmm, I meant, instead of getting all mad when someone types something you dont like, take a walk. Fresh air and all. Im not mad in the slightest, nor so young. I was trying to say, I apologize, when I feel I have done somethign wrong.

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       PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       You talking to me ?

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          rednckwmnposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          are YOU talkin' to me?
          are you TALKIN' to me?
          are you tlakin' to ME?
          
          Hi pirate girl. good thread. how are ya?

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    Jane Dee Summersposted 15 years ago

    Now you're using that cute smile DC.

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    Luciendaskyposted 15 years ago

    Pretty sure their talking to me, though that may be unlikely since I have not posted on this thread since yesterday.... hmmmmm

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       rednckwmnposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       paranoid much? I really think its me, cuz I said the thing about turning off the computer...
       type is so hard sometiems, becuase you cant see the body language and you dont know the other person, and you filter into what they said, your own life and what you think...
       but hten agian, maye it was you. Im not young. 

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          Pearldiverposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Body Language huh? Ummmmm So you don't always express yourself with your hands on your hips?

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             PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             She has hands, my eyes didn't reach below the top

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                Pearldiverposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                

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    Jane Dee Summersposted 15 years ago

    No PG, you're far too smart.

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       PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Loves ya JD

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    Luciendaskyposted 15 years ago

    ah man! I was hoping y'all were talking about me
    
    tee hee

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       rednckwmnposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I'll talk about you. Oh, wait, nevermind, I got no goodies...what kind of camera is that?

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    Jane Dee Summersposted 15 years ago

    Sorry hon, we could if you like! Howvever, you could get more clicks from the guys.

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       Luciendaskyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       lol ... i just being silly

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    Luciendaskyposted 15 years ago

    lol. Thanks rednckwrm, I feel "special" now... it is a nikon, but it is currently at the warranty center being "fixed"... who knows how long they will keep it!

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