Are republicans being unreasonable about the budget approval?
One thing people need to realize: This is all a show. It is no more real than big time wrestling. Know those fans everyone laughs at? Well, those in the know laugh at those fully committed to their political party.
In regions of the nation where demographics poll "conservative", the media prints and airs one slant on the news.
In regions with liberal demographics, the very same network, even the very same channel, shows different news.
All of it is designed to front load you into interpreting what you see. They teach what everything means. Not the truth, just what they want you to think. Psychologists call it frontloading. The average citizen would call this mind control- IF he/she could see it.
In business text books, control of the television, newspapers and SCHOOLS is called "socialization control." Those who run things pay close attention to this. They tell you what to think. But, they do it subtly, so you won't realize what's happening.
There is an interesting article: 'Classical Conditioning in Movies: Mind Control.' Everyone calling themselves Democrat or Republican should read it and consider the overwhelming evidence given.
The Republicans are a minority party. Not in the house but in the totality of the government. Forgetting about who is who and the specifics of this situation, just for a second think about the notion of a minority party shutting down the government because they didn't get their way on something. That is no way to run a democratic government. The only reason I think it has happened now is because there is a large faction in the house who quite literally don't want there to be a government.
I don't know about unreasonable, but it is undemocratic. part of Democracy is that some people lose. that's just the way it is, but in the overall balance of things, everyone loses once in awhile. Unless someone has a better alternative to Democracy, this is a terrible precedent.
Try thinking about the unreasonable part of continuing to pass budgets that do not try to lower a National debt, that is growing by alarming bounds. Common sense says to lower their spending and the Republicans are trying to. The Democrats said no.
We must remember that the House of Representatives is the "Peoples House". They are the leadership for the people. They represent the pulse of America. But some continue to believe that the President and Reid own the USA. OH how wrong they are.
Becky Katz, common sense should be used for common problems, not large complex ones that require deep sense.
tbHistorian, well, they're the pulse of gerrymandered America. Even so, they are only a single component of the system for a reason.
Common sense should be used in all things. Unfortunately, people do not use common sense any more. This is becoming a non-thinking country.
Non-thinking, I'll agree with you on that. Like people who treat exceptionally complex systems as mundane, such as those who say running a government is like running a house. If that's common sense than no thanks.
I do not think they believe that they are being unreasonable. I believe that they think the Democrats are being unreasonable and blind. The Democrats are taking this county deeper and deeper in debt and just keep adding more to the 'Social' programs.
The Republicans believe that you do not spend more money than you have. If you don't have enough money to have a new 'Social'program, then you wait until you do have enough money.
I personally think that the health care program is a good idea, whose time is not now. We need something, but not while we are so much in debt. I also think this one is very poorly planned and written. It has a lot of extras in it that have nothing to do with health. I believe that is what the Republicans see also.
Also. if you look at the way other things are working out that the government is in charge of, they are not doing well at all. The Postal Service is going bankrupt, Social Security is going bankrupt, and the IRS and the NSA are both in trouble for breaking the laws of this country. If the government is involved, there is graft involved. They need to get the things we have under control and obeying the laws we have, before they try to implement new ones.
If you get offended at this, I am sorry. You asked what I think and I have told you. I do not want this country to be in the shape that Greece is, I want this country to continue to grow and be prosperous. I am highly disappointed at some of the things that the government considers its business anymore.
No, they are being brave. The Dems and the President are being unreasonable by refusing to negotiate. The Republicans may be the minority party now, but wait until after the next election when they control the Senate.
P.S. Try Fox News if you want to know what's going on.
No. Obama is being childish and stubborn. He is the president, and its his responsibility to come to an agreement. Its outrageous for him to say "its not working and its all their fault." This kind of thing has happened before. It happened to GB during his second term when he had a democratic majority and he didn't act like a spoiled child over it. I am very disappointed in how unprofessional Obama is and how he has absolutely divided us.
What the democrats are doing is trying to create a cushy atmosphere for Obama's next four years and I am glad that the GOP is exercising all it can to prevent it. We have suffered enough damage over the first four years and I would much rather come to a real solution.
Everyone is unreasonable. Also, continually raising a debt ceiling is STUPID. It does not solve anything, it brings a nation further and further into debt. The USA has the largest debt in the world (Over 17 trillion) and is steadily growing. It is time for all sides to say , "enough is enough!", and tie to work on real solutions.
You hit the nail on the head with your answer
You're right. It's time for Reps and Dems to become Americans and do the job they were elected to do. For once they need to drop the politics.
The Republicans are approaching near-political suicidal behavior and it makes no sense at all IF one tries to understand it in terms of rational, political issues.
Republican conduct only makes sense if understood for what it increasingly appears to be: The Republican Party has been hijacked by the Tea Party---at least in the House of Representatives and Tea Party darling Ted Cruz's posturing (and Cruz is doing nothing more than posturing) has boxed the Republican Party leadership into a corner from which the leadership has no idea how to escape.
Former Republican Party chairman, Michael Steele, wrote an op-ed earlier this year in which he seemed to get to the core of this problem: The GOP is at a crossroads and has "lost its voice" or is in the process of giving up its voice of fiscal conservatism and reason for one that will do just about anything to get attention.
It should be obvious that Ted Cruz's action are not about America or Americans, but about Ted Cruz. It should be equally obvious that Rand Paul's actions are not about America or Americans, but about Ran Paul. These self-interested politicians are in a battle NOT for the future of America and Americans, but for their own political futures.
Remember, each of them wants desperately to be president and each of them is in the other's way of on their presumed path to the White House. Cruz and Paul will do anything to draw attention to themselves---including shutting down the government, and if needed---again in terms of their own ambition for personal political gain, destroying the American economy.
What neither Cruz nor Paul understands, however, is that the majority of the American people---at least at the end of the day, are not stupid and they will eventually understand that the games the Tea Party is playing right now (political games of self-interested, self-promotion) are not only wrong, but dangerous.
After all, once upon a time, an American public that was firmly behind a senator named Joe McCarthy and firmly behind his witch hunts for communists. But, once upon a time the American people got it. They woke up, proved they were not stupid, understood McCarthy's game and got off the bandwagon.
The Republicans have an astonishingly large set of blinders on, which I don't really understand. It was bizarre around election time watching people talk about Romney winning big. Seriously, what the heck are these people looking at.
In that election, the majority did not vote for Obama to beat Romney. They voted for Obama to beat the Republican Party. They lost that election and are continuing the childish behavior. No one likes whiners.
As the old saying goes my friend "Do not believe anything you hear and only half of what you see."
The republicans are expressing the desires of the people from the "peoples" house. They have introduced many budgets that have been rejected by the Senate and President (democrats).
Independent budgets have been submitted by the republicans for many of the departments so that the government workers can engage in the tasks assigned to them.
It is difficult to charge republicans for being unreasonable based on the democrats defending a law that was "passed by partisan politics - so it could be read", has resulted in a multitude of exemptions for partisan democratic organizations, was modified to exempt the elected officials and many in the government workforce, and even received a one-year delay for some.
Those who are being unreasonable are those who refuse to negotiate.
In my view I feel the Republicans are being irresponsible by failing to approve the budget.Their demand to delay the Obamacare is counterproductive.The Obamacare Bill was passed in 2010 so for the Republicans to try and delay its implementation it's like they are doing it to discredit the achievement of the sitting government.In my view if the Republicans continue with this shut down of the government they might lose touch with the voters,arguably most of the American people favour this health care bill which the Republicans are trying to discredit .
For some reason Michele Bachmann is making me angry. Probably because of the interview she gave. At this point in time 25% of children in the United Stated go to bed hungry. They go to school hungry. That means that 17 million children in the United States suffer from being under fed. Their brains do not develop as well as they need to. So, they do not learn well, obviously they do not go to college. 17 million children suffer. I wonder how Michele Bachmann would feel if she had to live just even a month like a poor American, whose children did not have enough to eat. She has no idea what it is like being a poor American. She does not care about poor children. For her, it is ok to let them suffer, and it is ok, for their parents to watch them suffer.
That makes me feel sick.
I don't think they are. They are making a statement based on principle and although it may not end in their favor the statement has to be made.
Depends on how you look at it.
The law has been passed. Obama Care is a real thing now.
Look at prohibition. That was ridiculous people realized so it later got repealed.
In this sense people believe that because Obama Care is so "unreasonable" that it should be repealed.
Personally I am no fan of Obama Care. Look at it like this. It is faults on both sides. Republicans should acknowledge Obama Care as a law. However, the maneuver is technically legal. Republicans genuinely believe Obama Care will be a disaster for America, and I'm inclined to believe them. So in not passing the budget, they believe they are saving America.
Republicans refuse ot pass a budget with Obama Care, but are willing to pass a budget to keep the Federal Government. The Democrats now won't pass anything unless Obama Care is included. So who's fault is it now?
As I said, faults on both sides. Part of our freedom is being able to do this, in a legal manner. So although Obama Care is law, this is legal.
No. If the government spending is not curtailed we will never be able to make it. Government needs to return to the dictates of the Constitution and start thinking about how the public views this runaway spending. The spending patterns have to change. Think about personal finance and compare Government to your own. Do you go to your employer every six months and ask for a raise because you can't manage your credit card debt. This is what they are doing.
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