Upcoming Changes to HubPages Sites

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   Haley Davisposted 4 weeks ago

   Thank you for being a part of HubPages over the years. Last October, we moved PetHelpful and Dengarden to a new content management system, where they exist as standalone sites within The Arena Group and no longer receive HubPages author submissions. We have now decided to move Delishably, Hobbylark, Owlcation, WanderWisdom, LetterPile, and WeHaveKids as well.
   
   On April 14th, 2025, we will begin to operate Delishably, Hobbylark, Owlcation, WanderWisdom, LetterPile, and WeHaveKids as standalone sites within The Arena Group.
   
   As we endeavor to grow our remaining HubPages brands alongside our Parade brand, we have made the strategic decision to pivot away from the user-generated content model used by our HubPages system.  Moving forward, the content on Delishably, Hobbylark, Owlcation, WanderWisdom, LetterPile, and WeHaveKids will be managed on a separate content management system. Content will be scheduled/pitched, written, edited, and updated using editorial practices shown to provide growth for the other successful properties owned by The Arena Group.
   
   Please be aware that as of April 14th, 2025, The Arena Group will no longer be able to share revenue on content that remains on Delishably, Hobbylark, Owlcation, WanderWisdom, LetterPile, and WeHaveKids. Content that lives on Discover.HubPages will continue to earn revenue through your HubPages account.
   
   If you want to request that your content move back to Discover.HubPages, please email hdavis@thearenagroup.net by April 11th, 2025, to ensure a smooth transition.

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      Kyler J Falkposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      What are the long-term plans for HubPages/Discover itself?
      
      If TAG is going to appropriate everything profitable from here and exclude the majority of the community, does this mean HubPages/Discover can go back to a more social media-like site?
      
      It'd be nice to get comments back so we can play a final concerto together as the proverbial Titanic sinks.

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         Matt Wellsposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

         HubPages and Discover are here to stay. We are just moving away from the Network Site model and returning to something more like how it was at HubPages' beginnings.
         
         You can request to move your content from Network Sites to Discover at any time, but we would appreciate it if you did it before 4/11/25.
         
         I understand comments are missed, we will revisit this to see what we can do.

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            PegCole17posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

            Thanks for this, Matt. It is somewhat reassuring to know we are returning to the way it was at HubPages' beginnings.

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            Kenna McHughposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

            Matt, with all due respect, TAG/HP is violating natural law and stealing these articles because the authors are unaware. Sure, we may be going back to the original beginnings, so to speak, but not really. The trust is not there anymore.

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               Matt Wellsposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

               I understand it's not ideal. Authors can request their content be moved to Discover at any time.

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                  Dean Traylorposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Just curious. I've requested, via email, to have all my articles in niche sites to be moved to Discover. When can we expect these moves to happen?

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                     bravewarriorposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                     Dean, the last time we were asked to move articles to Discover from the niche sites that were transforming to standalones, mine were moved within a day or two of my request to the editors. They won't notify you when they're moved so keep an eye on your articles page and check the applicable filters to see if they've been moved.

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                     Matt Wellsposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                     Yes, those moves will happen. They will take a little time. We have had a lot of move requests, and we have to do them manually.

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                        ChitrangadaSharanposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                        All my niche site articles have been moved back to Discover.
                        Thank you Haley Davis.
                        Thank you Matt.

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                  Kenna McHughposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Matt, I hear you.

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                  That Grrlposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Can HubPages/ Discover/ TAG make it easy for people to download copies of all their articles? Something to import them into a WordPress site, for example, would be very helpful. Some people here have a lot of articles which they currently need to move manually, one by one with images to download as well. That is very time consuming. It would not be a big chore for HubPages to have something in place to let people export their articles. This could have been available ages ago. But, now, as it seems the site is shutting down, why not help your loyal writers export their articles before they are all gone?

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            bravewarriorposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

            Matt, with all due respect, we were told that years ago. Comments kept this site alive and provided motivation for the authors. I'd love to see HP return to the way it was when I joined in 2011!

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               eugbugposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

               Is there a technical reason or otherwise why the old format webpage look, which supported comments can't be resurrected? From what what I can remember, the reason given for the new look was to give a consistent appearance across all TAG sites, and also so that there was more flexibility in the ads that could be shown.

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            daydreamsposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

            Is there actually a plan to revive Hubpages/Discover? Is there any investment planned in the site? I assumed not from the announcement - it makes it sound like the decision is that this method doesn't work anymore (perhaps killed by AI?) so will no longer be invested in - I assume its worth keeping site live while it's still making some money but is there anything more than keeping it ticking planned?

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               Matt Wellsposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

               HubPages is here to stay. We are just moving away from the Network Site model. Right now we are focusing on move requests.

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            Jeremy Gillposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

            Is there a benefit to not moving them back to Discover if they won't earn revenue anymore? Thanks.

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               bravewarriorposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

               Jeremy, they have the chance to earn revenue once moved to Discover. You'll lose any possible revenue if you leave them on the current soon-to-be-defunct niche sites.

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               Matt Wellsposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

               No. If you leave your articles on HobbyLark (or other Network Sites mentioned) where you have articles published, you will not earn. If you want to earn you should request that your articles be moved to Discover. Send an email to hdavis@thearenagroup.net to make the request.

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               That Grrlposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

               Likely your author name/ credit will be removed. So there would be no good reason to leave your articles there.

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                  Shesabutterflyposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

                  They do not remove anything. Our names, profile picture, and biography (if there is one) all remain. They take whatever articles are left on the site and migrate them as is to the new platform. There is absolutely zero benefit for us to leave articles on the sites come migration day.

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      ChitrangadaSharanposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      Thank you for the information Haley.
      Have sent a request to move my affected articles back to Discover as suggested, at the above mentioned email.

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         Nell Roseposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

         Thanks Chitrangada for letting me know!

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            ChitrangadaSharanposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

            My pleasure Nell.

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      OldRosesposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      I suggest that everyone back up all of their hubs to another location.  I don't think that HubPages will be around much longer and you don't want to lose all of your hard work. 
      
      I also suggest that you start looking for a new home for your hubs.  I have been publishing my hubs on Substack as newsletters but also have my profile page set up to make search easy.  If you are interested, you can take a look at how I do it at howtogrowit dot substack dot com.

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         That Grrlposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

         Seems very likely to me as well. I've got an old WordPress site which I would like to port my articles to. Including those from a second account here from the days of Squidoo. I haven't done it before because its so time consuming and fiddly. There should have been a simple way to import and/or export articles all these years.
         
         One way or another, please everyone download your articles. Don't regret not doing it later.

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      Kenna McHughposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      I feel like the writer in Robert Altman's "The Player." He gets killed, no respect, and is not valued at all. TAG takes our hard work and lines us up at the firing squad and fires. Do I sense a class action lawsuit? Or is there recourse in writers' associations? I agree with Caren. Handwriting has been on the wall for some time. Let's go!!

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      Kenna McHughposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      I sent my email request. My heart is heavy.

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         dredcuanposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

         Hi! May I know where I can send an email request? I have plenty of articles published on Delishably. That’s my problem now.

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            theraggededgeposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

            It's in the message at the top of the thread.

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            bravewarriorposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

            The email address is in Haley's announcement at the top of this page.

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            Matt Wellsposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

            Send the request to: hdavis@thearenagroup.net

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         Patty Inglish, MSposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

         I had a few other niche sites that were not scheduled to be made stand-alones and those articles were also moved to Discover. I didn't ask for that.

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      Kenna McHughposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      I don't blame Google. I blame TAG/HP because they have been passive. Now they are cannibalizing, thinking it will save them.

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         bravewarriorposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

         Amen, Kenna!

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         That Grrlposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

         They probably don't really care. Giving you the option and notice to have your articles is covering them from claims about not giving the option later when it is done. Your/ my articles are just more files to them. The new way is AI written material which costs them almost nothing. Networks like TAG are all using AI now. Real people cost more. Think about that next time you're using any kind of AI technology, including your cell phone. AI will be creating information while you're washing your dishes, and not getting paid.

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      CYong74posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      Have emailed you, Haley, for my content to be returned to Discover. Hope there wouldn't be delays and confusion per what happened the last round.

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      Ansel Pereiraposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      Have sent you an email for my articles to be moved back to Discover.
      
      I'm clinging onto hope and staying optimistic.

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      Linda S Grimesposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      Hello, Haley,
      
      Please move all of my content to Discover.HubPages that is currently located on Owlcation, LetterPile, and Delishably.
      
      Thank you,
      Linda Sue Grimes
      (Linda S. Grimes)

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         Lovelli Fuadposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

         Can you please do the same for mine, too? Thanks a bunch.

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            bravewarriorposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

            You have to send Haley an email. Requesting the move via this thread is a futile attempt.

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            Matt Wellsposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

            Send an email to hdavis@thearenagroup.net to request your content be moved to Discover.

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         Linda S Grimesposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

         I have also sent this message by email as requested in Haley's message.
         LSG

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         Matt Wellsposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

         You need to send the request to: hdavis@thearenagroup.net

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            Linda S Grimesposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

            I did that.  Thanks, Matt.

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       Kenna McHughposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       Reading these comments is bittersweet, such talented writers!

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       Kenna McHughposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       Transfer is done. All my articles are moved over to Discover.

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          bravewarriorposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          Same here.

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          Titiaposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          Same here.

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       quotationsposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       This is quite sad. I have not posted new content in a while but always intended to come back when time permitted. Even so I was proud of the articles that had been accepted to network sites and I enjoyed the coffee money it gave me once in a while.
       
       I wish they would reconsider and do not see why it would not be possible to have a combination of both user generated content and staff writers.
       
       I foresee a dim future for all of the sites as they become little more than AI generated clickbait and eventually get de-indexed by Google.
       
       Hubpages was a great site when I first joined and I enjoyed learning new things and interacting with other writers.

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       Miebakagh57posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       This doesn't make much sense to the current writers on hubpages.

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       Robert Sacchiposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       Does this mean authors of articles in these standalone sites will not receive compensation for these writings?

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          melbelposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          Correct.

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             Robert Sacchiposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

             Thank you.  I thought I might have missed something.

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          Ken Burgessposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          Exactly.

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       Taufique islamposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

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          Kenna McHughposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

          Shameful and covert spamming, she's only been a member for 10 days. Terrible! She has no idea what we've experienced.

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             bravewarriorposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

             I've reported her, Kenna.

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                Kenna McHughposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                Same here.

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   Rupert Taylorposted 4 weeks ago

   I suppose we knew this was coming, although it's interesting to note I had an article moved from Discover to Owlcation just this morning.
   
   I assume the short notice allowed for moving articles to Discover is so they can trap content belonging to people who aren't paying attention.
   
   I have not received a personal email about this and I assume others have been likewise ignored. If writers don't check this forum they'll be in for nasty surprise.

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      Patty Inglish, MSposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      Agreed. I received nothing. We'll see if Discover will produce any income.

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      PaulGoodman67posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      This is one reason why I was reluctant to celebrate my articles being moved from Discover to niches. I agree that the short transfer time means that many writers will be caught out. It's pretty ugly though perhaps not a surprise, given the way things have been going.

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      wshillingtonposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      I did receive an email.

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         JerryFisherposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

         So did I, directly from Haley.

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      Matt Wellsposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      We had a slight issue with the emails rolling out. All authors will receive the email. We apologize for the inconvenience.

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   Titiaposted 4 weeks ago

   So it is really happening. The end of HP as we knew it. I didn't receive an email either.
   All of that in such a short time. I already send my request to move all my stuff to Discover.
   It's a shame, it really is. I pity those who are on a vacation, or are sick or something, only to find their stuff stolen when they come back.

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      Matt Wellsposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      It's not the end of HubPages. Discover and HubPages will continue to operate. Authors can request that their Network Site content be moved to Discover at any time.

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         Titiaposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

         I know Matt and mine are already moved back to Discover, but it is not the same anymore as it used to be. I so miss the interaction with our readers.

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   Brenda Arledgeposted 4 weeks ago

   I just had a couple of articles moved to LeterPile last week and this week.
   I had hoped Hubpages was getting better, but now my dreams are fading away.

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   Jodahposted 4 weeks ago

   No email here either. Anyone who doesn't check the forums is in for a shock. I have requested all my articles from those sites moved back to Discover.

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   theraggededgeposted 4 weeks ago

   Shall we take bets on how long before they appropriate Discover?

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      bravewarriorposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      I hear you, Bev. I don't think bets are necessary; it's more than likely a sure thing.
      
      I didn't receive an email, but luckily I stay current with the forums or I'd have been in for a rude awakening.
      
      Just requested the move. We should probably hold a memorial service for HP since it's clear the dear elder is on its death bed and rapidly heading for wherever human-driven sites go when they take their last breath.

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      PaulGoodman67posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      Yup! They've now stated that they're no longer interested in the user-generated/earnings sharing model so it seems like only a matter of time.

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         Matt Wellsposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

         The user-generated content model will remain on Discover and HubPages.

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            Kenna McHughposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

            Matt, I live in Florida and have swamp land for sale.

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               Matt Wellsposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

               Spam is not permitted in the forums

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   eugbugposted 4 weeks ago

   Email sent. I presume our backlinks will be used to point to new or alternative versions of our articles on these sites, just like they are on the other standalone TAG sites,  so we need to edit these links.

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   viryaboposted 4 weeks ago

   Bold-faced robbery!!
   How wonderfully implemented! No emails received yet, and I have 4 accounts here!

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      Patty Inglish, MSposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      I detest this development. As Rupert says, not very ethical imo.

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         viryaboposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

         Precisely.

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   Genna Eastposted 4 weeks ago

   The majority of my publications are all on LetterPile.  So I have to request that they all be moved back to Discover.Hubpages by April 11th.  If this was the case and "in the works", then why did LetterPile scoop up my recent publication (The Whistler), knowing that this would become managed (cough) by Arena? And Discover does not allow for comments, whereas LetterPile does. Here we go again.

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    ControlledChaos1posted 4 weeks ago

    Email sent. I am officially requesting any of my articles in these categories be sent to back to Discover, as being paid something is better than being paid nothing. Putting this here as well, just in case email gets "lost". Thank you.

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       Pollyanna Jonesposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       I have also emailed to request that all of my articles be moved to Discover HubPages. I had hoped it wouldn't come to this, but with the advance of AI it just isn't viable any more to write and publish articles here. I've enjoyed being part of HubPages, but going forward I shall be looking for other ways of creating content.

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    Rupert Taylorposted 4 weeks ago

    For reasons that are beyond me, I'm unable to use the link to Haley Davis highlighted in red in the posting. Lots of stuff about Microsoft apps I don't have and seem unable to up/download (I never know which is which).
    
    So I have emailed from my personal gmail account and to the team via "Help" to get date stamps on my requests. I will do so frequently until action is taken, because I just don't trust these people. They seem to be adopting the business ethics of the scoundrel in the White House.
    
    Remember the euphoria when Paul Edmondson was appointed CEO of TAG just three weeks ago? That evaporated fast. (Can euphoria evaporate? Hmmm).

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       Patty Inglish, MSposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       I just requested my content on those niche sites be moved to Discover. Probably should find someplace else for my articles. I don't like being used.

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       ControlledChaos1posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       I also emailed from my personal email account. I shouldn't think that would make a difference unless they were nitpicking about stuff.

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    Carb Divaposted 4 weeks ago

    So ... will new content be accepted for Delishably (and the others) or will they eliminate the human element all together and  use AI to create content?

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       bravewarriorposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       Linda, you'll have to pitch your idea to the editorial staff. My question to Haley is: how much does TAG pay per accepted/printed article?

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    Drew Agravanteposted 4 weeks ago

    This is painful to read. I somehow know deep inside me that this was coming. RIP Hubpages.

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    Joanne Hayleposted 4 weeks ago

    Oh dear. I liked the option of Owlcation etc. so I fear it'll be bye bye from me soon. I am not waiting for Discover content to be TAGged too.
    Sad day at the office!

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    Rupert Taylorposted 4 weeks ago

    Bev. Far be it for me to correct you in matters pertaining to the English language, but surely instead of "appropriate" surely you mean "steal."

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       PaulGoodman67posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       The warning periods are getting shorter. One wonders how long we'll have to claim our own work when Discover goes...

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       theraggededgeposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       That's exactly what I mean.
       
       The thing is, we forum regulars know about it. But they didn't post it on the topical forum (I did) and those writers who may not check their email address linked to HP won't know about it at all.

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    Victoria Lynnposted 4 weeks ago

    I got the email this morning. Maybe y'all did, too? This is concerning.

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       bravewarriorposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       I just received mine from Haley. It's exactly as written in this forum and, might I add, long after several of us have reacted with our displeasure to the news.

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       Patty Inglish, MSposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       I got it 1pm today 3/25/25.

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       Dean Traylorposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       Got the email at 9:50 PST. It came after I already emailed them to move my stuff from those niche sites.

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    Venkatachari Mposted 4 weeks ago

    I hope we can access the content as an author and share, copy, etc. Though we may not get paid

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       theraggededgeposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       You won't be able to access your work unless you get it moved to Discover. It'll probably disappear from your stats page.

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       Matt Wellsposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       You can request to move all your Network site content to Discover so you will still earn. Just send an email to hdavis@thearenagroup.net .

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    Cloverleafposted 4 weeks ago

    Well I guess we had this coming. Since I lost about $50 a day from the PetHelpful to Discover move, I suspect my well-performing Delishably articles will be similarly squashed in the Google ranks and fed to the lions when they land on Discover. I’ll just wave bye-bye to the pittance of earnings that remain. This platform is dead…

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    Joseph Mordenteposted 4 weeks ago

    This is really unfortunate. I had been hesitant to move away from Hubpages after the last round of changes, but this solidifies it for me. It was enjoyable while it lasted.

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       Dean Traylorposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       Same here. The question is where do we go from here? I'm reading that Medium is having troubles, too.

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          Joseph Mordenteposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          I tried Medium for a while, and it wasn't all that bad writing things on their platform. That being said, I didn't see any traffic on any of my articles. I am curious to try out Substack though.

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    PaulGoodman67posted 4 weeks ago

    The turning point for HP came after they employed a bunch of editors and spent months mass-editing in an effort to reverse the damage that the Google algo was doing. When that failed, we were doomed.
    
    People want to blame TAG, and for sure they've made some mistakes, but ultimately it's Google that's made the HP model untenable.
    
    Paul E as TAG CEO was never going to save the day. Paul E understood some time ago that Google was always liable to move the goalposts by altering its algo, rendering the situation virtually impossible for a business of HP's type, which relies on search traffic.
    
    It's all very sad, though. The internet 15 years ago was a world of opportunities and start-ups, many of them non-profits or earnings-sharing. The internet now is dominated by big corporations and profit margins. It's a tough world for the little guy.

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    Gianella Labradorposted 4 weeks ago

    Email sent. Requesting all my affected articles be moved back to Discover.

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    Abby Slutskyposted 4 weeks ago

    Is it my understanding that we can request to have content on those pages moved back to discover.hubpages to continue earning revenue? Alternately, if we delete the content, does preclude arena from using our content for their own profit without sharing with the writer?

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       Matt Wellsposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       Yes, you may request to move all your Network Site content to Discover so you will still earn. You can also choose to delete your articles if you like.

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          VirginiaLynneposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          Thanks for this information.  I enjoyed meeting Paul and others at Whistler in 2018 or so.  I've enjoyed this platform very much but have suspected it wouldn't last.  I've requested my articles be moved back and will stick around if it remains viable.  However, I am going to be copying my articles to put elsewhere if HubPages isn't able to continue.  I have appreciated the opportunity to have my articles read so widely and to make a bit of money.

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             Matt Wellsposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

             HubPages is not going away. We are just moving away from the Network Site model. You can still publish and earn. Articles are first published to hubpages.com, and once they are featured and generate some traffic, they will be moved to discover.hubpages.com.

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    Solarasposted 4 weeks ago

    Content will be scheduled/pitched, stolen, edited, and updated using editorial practices shown to provide growth for the other successful properties owned by The Arena Group.
    
    Don't even, rerouting our links to rewritten Parade assets.

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       Joseph Mordenteposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       I am inclined to believe this. I unpublished all my HobbyLark articles yesterday, but they are still showing to be published.

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          Matt Wellsposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          All of your articles are on Discover. None of them are on HobbyLark. If you want to unpublish your articles on Discover.HubPages you'll have to close your account.

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             Joseph Mordenteposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

             You're saying that if I unpublish one of my articles it doesn't actually unpublish it? That makes no sense.

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                Matt Wellsposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                I see what you mean now. You had articles on both HobbyLark and Discover. Instead of deleting your HobbyLark articles, you can request to move them to Discover where they will still earn money. If you want to do this click edit on the deleted article and then click undelete. You have 24 hours to restore deleted articles.

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                   Cloverleafposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                   Matt, I think it’s important to clarify to authors that when you say “they will still earn money”, that does not translate to meaning “they will still earn the same amount of money”.
                   
                   From my experience with moving PetHelpful to Discover, authors can expect a decline of approximately 80-90% of income in moving their articles from niche sites to Discover.
                   
                   It is important to be transparent about the expectations.

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    eugbugposted 4 weeks ago

    What's annoying also is we've built all the backlinks for these new standalone TAG sites and they're going to be cashing in on them without rewarding us. It's not practical to contact everyone who has backlinked and request they delete the links.

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    Venkatachari Mposted 4 weeks ago

    Hi, all. How to download my content from Hubpages? I got two of my articles downloaded some months back. But, I forgot how to do it.

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    CYong74posted 4 weeks ago

    I finally took a look at the new Pethelpful. It's nowhere near attractive and again, there's no proper site identity. But it is easy to read, it's neat, and without ad spamming.
    
    Going by Haley's email, this property is managed in a way that's shown to provide growth.
    
    I wonder why the same couldn't be done earlier for the other sites, despite years of us begging for it. Why we couldn't be included in any transfer, too. Oh wait, we are excluded but our content will be absorbed. Unless we request otherwise before TAG'S deadline.
    
    It's truly a wonderful way to end a relationship, you think? But I suppose we were always on the sacrificial board for TAG'S missteps. After all, every major decision involving us over the last few years has either been rubbish or profoundly misguided.

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    viryaboposted 4 weeks ago

    Now that, after the move to Discover, we’ll be earning nothing more than a cent a day, how will we ever get our accumulated earnings in all our accounts?
    It may take at least 10 years for me to reach payout in (for example) one of my accounts with $28+ earnings.
    
    They must be grinning happily, rubbing their palms gleefully … knowing we may never get there.

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    viryaboposted 4 weeks ago

    And yes, I got their email too late!

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    theraggededgeposted 4 weeks ago

    I just finished capturing 229 articles. It took me three days - it didn't help that my laptop suffered a cat+water incident so have had to use a Chromebook.
    
    Already had all the text-only & html versions saved but wanted to get the full versions. I used an app that I pay for but recommend people use something like the free versions of X-tiles, Evernote, Google Docs, or OneNote.
    
    All the tarot articles will go to my own site as they are. I really don't care now that they will be duplicated as it's only a matter of time till HP closes or steals the material on Discover.

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       Kenna McHughposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       Bev, Chromebook? Hang in there.

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    ControlledChaos1posted 4 weeks ago

    My heart goes out to everyone who was doing that as a main source of income. I've said this before, but AI will quickly take over article writing, and if it's half way decent, it probably won't be unseated.
    
    The only avenue I see for people who want to try and make a living from their creativity is to develop some kind of property and trademark and copyright it and hope it isn't stolen by large companies or AI.
    
    AI is going to hurt the creative field more than anyone else. A real double edged sword, it seems.

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    Rupert Taylorposted 4 weeks ago

    There's an old truism in the news business of which I was a part for many years: "Nothing is true until it has been officially denied."

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    FatFreddysCatposted 4 weeks ago

    Suddenly I'm very glad I unpublished all my s**t months ago.

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       Lissa Clasonposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

       I took all my gaming content off Levelskip and created my own site last year. Now I'm looking and I don't even see Levelskip anywhere. When did that happen? Did they just nuke it off the face of the planet?

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          Shesabutterflyposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

          There was a mass move of niche sites to Discover almost a year ago. Claiming they were trying to capitalize on Discover's site authority, because the niches were not performing well.

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    Venkatachari Mposted 4 weeks ago

    How to save my articles? Is there any shortcut to save my articles on HP to my Files? Please, let me know.

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       theraggededgeposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       The fastest way is to right click on 'author view' on your stats page and then click on 'save as web page' (or whatever your browser gives as an option) and choose a location on your computer.
       
       However, it may save it 'ugly'. Try saving one to your desktop and then opening it to see what it looks like. It should open in your browser.
       
       You can save loads of them like that really quickly if you have space.

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       Dean Traylorposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       Copy and paste. Usually, I write my drafts on a word processor (Microsoft Word or Google Doc) before transferring it onto Hubpages' templates. At least, this assures that I have a copy of the article's draft. Still, I do a lot of editing on the hubs. As a result, I now copy and paste the hubs and the pics (since I'm now using my own pics) onto a word processor, re-edit (a lot of excess ads or stuff not important to the article that existed on hub page has to be removed) it and save it as a pdf. In addition, I've been copying the copyright at the bottom of the article in case it's needed.

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    Rupert Taylorposted 4 weeks ago

    Matt says we are "returning to something more like how it was at HubPages' beginnings."
    
    So, no doubt, we can expect transparency about the revenue-sharing model?

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    john000posted 4 weeks ago

    I have requested that all of my articles in two accounts on Wanderwisdom, Hobbylark, PatientsLounge, Owlcation, Letterpile, and Delishably be transferred to DiscoverHubpages.

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       Linda S Grimesposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       John, you still have articles on Owlcation and LetterPile.  You have to email Haley Davis -- hdavis@thearenagroup.net -- by April 11th, 2025, to have them moved.

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    CYong74posted 4 weeks ago

    Transfer done for all of mine.

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    Gianella Labradorposted 4 weeks ago

    all my articles have been moved back to discover thank you Haley and team.

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    Thomas Swanposted 4 weeks ago

    Is there any good reason to leave our articles on these sites? Like an offer for them? Or a promise of greater visibility? Or invitations to write more? If not, I guess the only option is Discover.

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       bravewarriorposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       Thomas, as Haley stated in the announcement, the new standalone sites to which the current niche sites are being moved will require pitching to the editors if you want to write for those sites. If you want to continue to earn as they stand today, you'll need to request that they be moved to Discover.

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    Sue Adamsposted 4 weeks ago

    I'm confused. Does this mean that none of the articles published on the Niche site earn any Money?

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       bravewarriorposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       They will no longer earn when TAG moves them to standalone sites, Sue. For now, Discover is the only way HP authors will earn revenue share. TAG does not offer revenue share. They pay for the articles that are published, but first the author must pitch their idea. If accepted, said articles will be scheduled for publication and the author will be paid for the content. That said, I have no idea what compensation is offered. I looked at ParadePet.com but there is absolutely no information regarding compensation or even to whom to pitch article ideas.

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    Sue Adamsposted 4 weeks ago

    I'm confused. Does this mean that none of the articles published on any of the niche sites earn money, or only those mentioned in this thread?

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       Shesabutterflyposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       They all earn money, however we will not be able to earn from our own content left on the sites listed in this thread after April 14th. The only beneficiary is TAG. The few remaining niche sites are still on the HP network and connected to the earnings program.
       
       If we want to keep earning from the listed sites we need to ask for our content to be moved back to Discover.
       
       There are very few niche sites left though and based on the last two official announcements, I'd be surprised if the medical niche sites make it much longer.
       
       PatientsLounge, RemedyGrove, & HealthProAdvice will be the last remaining niches after April 14th.

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    Bede le Venerableposted 4 weeks ago

    I'm not concerned about losing revenue as I removed all ads from my articles about a year ago. I am worried about not having access to articles and having no control over obnoxious ads. Will this be the case if I keep the articles on Owlcation or Letterpile?

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       theraggededgeposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       You won't have any access to your articles if you don't have them moved to Discover. You won't be able to edit or unpublish them. You won't own them.

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       Shesabutterflyposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       As Bev said, you will not have any access or control over your content left on the niche sites come April 14th. Articles left on the niche sites no longer belong to the author who wrote them, they belong to TAG.
       
       You can see how the new standalone sites will look by searching pethelpful or dengarden. They were switched a while back.
       
       They steal your profile picture, and hp bio along with your articles. TAG takes control of the content and earnings.

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          Bede le Venerableposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          Bev and Shesabutterfly--thanks for the info. I've sent in my request to move everything.

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          Linda S Grimesposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          "They steal your profile picture, and hp bio along with your articles. TAG takes control of the content and earnings."
          
          How can TAG do that?  Aren't they leaving themselves open to lawsuits?

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             theraggededgeposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

             It's all probably in the Terms of Use. I seem to remember a bit of furore a while back because it says that anything published here can be used in any way HP/TAG wants.
             
             So, we are lucky that they are letting us move/unpublish/delete our work tbh.
             
             Here you go. Couldn't copy and paste it but took a screenshot.
             
             

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             Matt Wellsposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

             You can request to move your content to Discover at any time.

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                Linda S Grimesposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                Matt, Could you respond to the claim "They steal your profile picture, and hp bio along with your articles. TAG takes control of the content and earnings”?

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                   Matt Wellsposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                   You have control over your content. You just have to request to move your content to Discover. If you don't request the move then it will remain on the Network Sites and you will not earn.

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                      bravewarriorposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                      Matt, can you explain the revenue model/percentage to us?
                      
                      Thanks.

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                         Matt Wellsposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                         That hasn't changed. We cannot share any more details than are supplied in the Terms of Use and the FAQ.
                         
                         https://thearenagroup.net/terms-of-use/
                         https://hubpages.com/faq/#royalties

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                            bravewarriorposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                            Neither link reveals what the percentage ratio is between HP and the authors.

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                               Shesabutterflyposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                               That is because there is no guarantee nor is the percentage the same across the board. Hasn't been for years. This is the link referenced 2 years ago.
                               
                               https://thearenagroup.net/author-submis … -addendum/
                               
                               Or you can find the same type of wording under #9 Earning Money Through Hubpages. This was last updated in 2019
                               
                               https://hubpages.com/help/user-agreement-2019-10-02

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                   Shesabutterflyposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                   Most of the articles they took are from authors who are no longer active on HP. They have no idea their content/images/bio are published elsewhere.
                   
                   I'm not seeing the profile pictures on Pethelpful, but I think there are some glitches over there because the search function is also gone.
                   
                   Dengarden is functioning properly. A quick search will show you what I'm talking about. Some of the bios specifically mention Hubpages by name, because they took all the content left as is, and plopped them on the new platform. It's clear the content wasn't created for the webpage it's currently on.
                   
                   Like Bev said, they are allowed to do it per the ToS. I doubt a lawsuit would go anywhere.
                   
                   In Haley's initial post she tells us we can no longer earn from articles left on the niches once they transfer to the new platform. They are using author's content to earn money for themselves without giving the author any kind of compensation. It is right there in black and white.
                   
                   This is the first time I'm seeing anyone claim we can have content moved back once it's on the new platform. Perhaps they can get their content back if they ask, but that wasn't told to us back in October.
                   
                   However, considering these authors have been gone for years, it's unlikely they will come back to HP. Claiming we can get content moved back after, does not change the fact they are profiting off others work without their knowledge. Even if they do come back, the vast majority never were active in the forums. They might not even realize their articles are not able to be edited nor are they earning any money.
                   
                   TAG protected themselves with the way they wrote their ToS.

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    PaulGoodman67posted 4 weeks ago

    I’m not sure what there is to discuss, regarding whether to request moving hubs. It’s not a pros and cons situation, it’s Hobson’s Choice!
    
    All my articles are now in hp.com/Discover.
    
    There they will sit until eventually the monthly payments stop completely…

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    Kyler J Falkposted 4 weeks ago

    So HubPages/Discover is, "here to stay," until like the niche sites it is decided they will be appropriated due to their potential for reshaping and profit. I'll admit, I no longer trust anything I'm told, but I do trust in the temporary nature of it all. I suppose that provides some form of relief even if it is obtuse and morbid.
    
    I'd love to request a feature to be added to Author View: "Convert Article to Editable PDF"
    
    As of now, there is no way to easily save our articles via HubPages tools, at least not that I can find. It seems like the least that could be done for us is give us a way to protect our hard work from the mysterious inner workings at TAG/HubPages. 
    
    As for everyone else discussing the compensation and ability to post to TAG sites, my understanding from everything I've gathered from HP staff is that you must work for TAG to receive delegation of accepted pitches from editors, and you are relegated to three five-hundred-word articles per hour minimum for $18/hr. You will also clock-in, be monitored, use TAG's dashboard system, and work on their schedule, Mon-Fri.
    
    It would be cool to be able to work for TAG if LevelSkip was still around, that was my highest earner. However, I'd rather own the ad revenue for my articles than get paid a rate.

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    Glenn Stokposted 4 weeks ago

    An interesting thing just happened to me today. I requested that all my hubs in the niche sites mentioned in the post be moved to Discover.
    
    Two days later, they were all moved as requested. However, they also moved all my hubs from PatientsLounge and RemedyGrove. So now ALL my hubs are on Discover!
    
    I wonder if that was a mistake or if they were doing me a favor in case TAG also intends to take possession of PatientsLounge and RemedyGrove.

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       PaulGoodman67posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       That is interesting, Glenn. I don't think I've got any articles that were published in PatientsLounge and RemedyGrove, so I wouldn't see that.
       
       What's happening with me is that I'm now getting deluged with emails telling me that articles have been rejected from being published in the niches!

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          Shesabutterflyposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          I received an email like that as well. I thought it odd as the article had been on Owlcation since 2019. All I asked was for my articles to be returned to Discover. Now I'm getting rejection emails for the niche sites.
          
          At least all my articles were moved.

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             PaulGoodman67posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

             Yeah, all my articles were moved, which was the main thing.
             
             The rejection emails are irritating, though, as I have a lot of material spread across ten accounts, so I'm receiving a large amount of rejection mail.
             
             Hopefully, it will stop at some point.

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    jansharesposted 4 weeks ago

    I received the email about this earlier this afternoon, was just able to read it after a very long day of clients. I'm too exhausted to react. But it appears that there is still life at HubPages. I sent my email request to the Arena Group to stay alive.

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    Solarasposted 4 weeks ago

    Indeed. I would like to know what the figures on our dashboards represent.  Is that pageview numbers at 40% or 60% of the single pageview we are entitled to, while TAG takes the revenue for the other 30 ad impressions?
    
    Just what is the current breakdown of our "60% chance of earning revenue from advertising?" What does that even mean?
    
    My move had a 50% decrease on day one - while the articles still maintained 2-3 position in SERPs with the new Discover address displayed in SERPs. So what up with that?
    
    I recall the quote "TAG knows what they are doing" - and I understand what they are doing. And I understood very well what they were doing when I got a 3 month ban from this forum, that ended with the last day of the PetHelpful Dengarden conversion, for my comments then.  I am copying this post, because I expect it to be deleted as others were, and to be banned again.
    
    Shame on Paul.

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       Cloverleafposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       I would also appreciate more transparency about what the figures on our dashboards represent. Solaras is correct; the number of page views does not correlate with revenue in the same way for niche sites as it does for Discover.
       
       Are we to simply accept this, or at least, can Matt please clarify the revenue model so that we know what to expect? Not just personally, but for all authors across HubPages who deserve to know the truth.

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          bravewarriorposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          Yes, clarification of the revenue model would be beneficial to all of us.

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    RyanCThomasposted 4 weeks ago

    When asking for one's articles to be moved back to Discover, does one list them, or just email and tell your account name and say that you would like your articles to be moved en bloc?

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       Matt Wellsposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       You don't need to list them. Email hdavis@thearenagroup.net and request you want your articles moved to Discover.

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    Genna Eastposted 4 weeks ago

    Hi Matt and Haley...
    
    After my email request to have my content items returned/moved to Discover from LetterPile, I received a quick response from Haley the following morning stating that my content has been moved to Discover, and to ler her know if this did not take place within 24 hours.
    
    "LetterPile" no longer appears above the list of my publications.  When you pull them up, it indicates Hubpages in the header and not LetterPile.  Nevertheless, they still show up on LetterPile along with my other creative work that appears directly below on the LetterPile site.  Why??

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       eugbugposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       Probably cached content in your device's browser, or cached content that a search engine uses. Try clearing your cache and reload the articles.

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          Genna Eastposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          Thank you, but that's not the issue.  (I clear my cache files regularly.)  The heading (+) is LetterPile, not Discover - Hubpages for a couple of them I pulled up under the LetterPile listing.  And it states directly below the publication "Error - Duplicate" along with a coding error as well.  I have not yet had the opportunity to retrieve all of them as there are quite a few on the LetterPile listing.

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             Shesabutterflyposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

             Perhaps Letterpile is taking a little longer than expected. I don't see anything by you or myself on Letterpile when I search our names. However the search engine link for my article still took me to Letterpile not Discover 20mins ago. Odd that I can't find it searching the site, but it still seems live via search engines. The article link from my account takes me to Discover.
             
             I checked again before submitting this comment and the search engine link now goes to Discover.
             
             However, my WeHaveKids articles are still being directed to the niche site (from search engines), despite not being able to find it via the search bar and my article titles in my account link to Discover.

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                Genna Eastposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                Hi.  I only see a couple of content items when searching by my name, but I do see more when searching by the title of the publications.  Here is the error code that pops up which I referred to in my previous comment:
                
                "An error has occurred; Trace ID (a long number code follows); Message; DUPLICATE_STORY_ID."
                
                Haley did indicate in her email that if I found my content pubs had not been "moved" by this morning, to let her know.
                
                Another thing I've noticed is that LetterPile publications which did not have comments are now showing the original comments before the content was originally moved from HP to LP.  Interesting.

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                   Genna Eastposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                   Just an Update:  I emailed Haley about the error issue a few days ago and received an email from her today.  I searched/tested three of my former LetterPile pubs by title, and they do show up twice under Google: Once for LetterPile and once for Hubpages.  When I pull up them up via the LetterPile link, it opens the content, but under Discover with no error message.  I did not receive the infamous 404 error -- thank goodness.  That would only turn potential viewers away since they don't know what's happening.  Kudos to Haley for helping,  Thank you!

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                DurhamStokieposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                I have the same issue. I have unpublished all of my articles, yet they still appear on Owlcation, etc. if I search Google for them.
                
                Surely this is theft of intellectual property when we have asked for them to be removed (and unpublished them!)?

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                   Cloverleafposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                   If you click on them you should get a 404 error because they are unpublished. It takes a while for Google to de-index from SERPS; that’s nothing HP has control of.

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                      eugbugposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                      But not all. Most of our backlinks are routed to either the category they were in or very similar articles.

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                      Genna Eastposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                      Unfortunately, that's not what I exprienced, Clover.  When I clicked on them, they opened up to the LetterPile publications, with the error messge directly below the publication:
                      
                      "An error has occurred; Trace ID (a long number code follows); Message; DUPLICATE_STORY_ID."
                      
                      I am not the only one who has experienced this.

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       Matt Wellsposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

       Are you referring to Google searches of your articles? It can take some time for Google to update their search engines. Email team@hubpages.com if you have any questions.

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    theraggededgeposted 4 weeks ago

    At least I got paid. And will get paid next month too. How long that will last is anyone's guess.

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       bravewarriorposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       That's good, Bev. I haven't received, nor earned, payment since December 2024.

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    eugbugposted 4 weeks ago

    I got paid too and will do next month. However I'm expecting views to plummet once Google recrawls. What's annoying is one Owlcation article has a Google featured snippet at the moment which it will lose. The Dengarden ones articles that had featured snippets and hundreds ir thousands of views per day are now down to 2 or three views per day.

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       Solarasposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       I dont see how this benefited them to lose all those views to avoid paying for 1 in 30 ad revenues. I guess they expect that the copied, reworked article will make them rich beyond imagination. Good luck with that the sites will have taken massive hits for loss of content and broken links they are just getting around to fixing. Pethelpful and dengarden have been seriously damaged. I'll be surprised if they can recover in a year, especially if writers assiduously kill those pinterest and fb links. More damage to the sites' reputations.

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