Upcoming Changes to HubPages Sites

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   theraggededgeposted 7 weeks ago

   Hubber score crashed again after all my articles were moved.

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      Patty Inglish, MSposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

      Mine too; lowest since my first year here.

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         quotationsposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

         Hubber score does not matter for much. The problem is that this will kill traffic and any remaining revenue. I doubt that discover.hubpages gets much organic traffic especially with the quantity of spam from India. I would not be surprised if Google just deindexed the site.

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            Cloverleafposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

            I agree with you, Robert; hubber score is useless! It’s only an internal measure that is inaccurate anyway. Matt has been saying they are working on fixing this metric for a long time now. I’ve given up on it being improved and just ignore it.
            
            The issue is exactly as you put it…our organic traffic will suffer and also revenue.
            
            The initial idea for the niche moves was to capitalize on Discover’s high Domain Authority (which is how Lisa Winter put it here: https://hubpages.com/community/forum/36 … r-hubpages) but they didn’t take into consideration that Google also ranks content on relevancy of the domain to its audience, which is why niche sites do better than content farms like Discover.
            
            If Discover had more reader engagement (comments, voting up etc. like Reddit and Quora do), Google would see Discover’s content as being more valuable and therefore rank it higher.
            
            Integrating reader engagement is the only solution to gaining any chance of being loved again by Google. Without it, Discover, even with its high DA, will continue to fall down in SERPS.
            
            But alas, we’ve been asking for comments etc, to be restored for a long time and it just falls on deaf ears…

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      bravewarriorposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

      Same here.

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         Patty Inglish, MSposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

         Woe is us.

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      Kenna McHughposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

      Yes! It's a tragedy!

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   melbelposted 7 weeks ago

   I requested to have all my stuff moved. I'd rather delete my hubs then let TAG just take them.

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      Patty Inglish, MSposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

      Agreed.

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         PaulGoodman67posted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

         There's no case in favor of not moving hubs. Like I said earlier, it's not pros and cons, it's Hobson's choice.
         
         I suspect that it's being done this way so that retrospectively, TAG can say, well everyone had an option.

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      DurhamStokieposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

      I have done exactly the same. Everything is now unpublished

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         bravewarriorposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

         Why on earth did you do that? Now you have no chance of earning revenue on this site.

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            DurhamStokieposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

            The amount of time it would take for money to trickle up to the point of payout is ridiculous. This format no longer works. AI has killed creative writing online.

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   Anne Ryefieldposted 7 weeks ago

   I'll be honest. This is the final straw for me. I am going to delete my articles from HP altogether. I never made much here, but now I'm making less than $0.30 a month. I am worth more than that, and my articles are worth more than that. My best article was number one for its topic for years until this past October.
   
   Now my biggest complaint is that I'm betting there will be absolutely no way to withdraw the $12-13 to PayPal. And I'm not happy about it. Twelve dollars isn't a lot of money, but it is my money. I earned it. And I don't like eating money I earned like this.
   
   I'll keep my account open to see if things improve, but the trust is so broken that I'm beginning to mistake HubPages for a family member.

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      viryaboposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

      My exact thoughts too.
      How on earth will we reach payout now?
      It will take several years to get any of my earnings from HP to reach payout. And they know that.
      I'm really upset about this!

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         Ben716posted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

         I suggest the minimum payout be reduced from $50 to about $25. It's taking me close to 6 months to reach the minimum threshold

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            bravewarriorposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

            That will never happen, Ben. The minimum payout has always been $50. HP has made many changes, but I highly doubt reducing the minimum payout will ever be one they'd consider.

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   DurhamStokieposted 6 weeks ago

   Personally, I don't fully understand what they are doing.
   
   It feels like they are trying to make it more difficult for authors to get paid out and possibly stealing the more profitable articles. I have therefore requested all of my articles to be moved away from the hubs they are published on (Owlcation etc) and to be paid up on the monies made prior to the changes take place (short of the original threshold).
   
   Why?
   
   Because that are altering the terms and conditions from which the articles were first submitted (as far as I can tell) and therefore, going forward, they should settle up with authors on articles submitted before the changes.
   
   Since I received a negative reply to my email about being paid up, I have now unpublished every article, including the more popular ones.
   
   I suggest others do the same as this feels like they are ripping off authors

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      bravewarriorposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

      In so doing, you now have forfeited any possibility of earning revenue on HP. You should have asked to have your niche site articles moved to Discover as Haley stated in the announcement.
      
      "Settling up" only happens once you've reached the $50 payout threshold. Deleting articles doesn't change that fact but prevents you from earning down the road. Have you made the $50 threshold? Check your Earnings Balance page to find out.

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         DurhamStokieposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

         I know exactly what I have done, and I explained in my original reply that I asked for articles to be moved.
         
         After subsequently reading this forum, I decided that it was better to unpublish them completely.
         
         I see my articles as MY intellectual property, but Hubpages and/or their paymasters at TAG seem to think otherwise.

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            Solarasposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

            I expect they have copies and will rewrite them regardless of whether you have the original published or not. you have 24 hours to republish, and find a new home for them which will earn something.  In fact, if the original is not published anywhere, they will have little reason to not publish your original with little adjustment. Expect yours moved to discover to lose at least 75% after the move.  Then the decline will continue.

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   viryaboposted 6 weeks ago

   Surely if they are in the process of shutting down, they will pay all our outstandings that will never reach payout!

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      Anne Ryefieldposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

      They're under no obligation to do that. Unless it's in the TOS.

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         viryaboposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

         If it’s not in the TOS, that’s sneaky. We keep earning for HP then?
         
         Meanwhile, because I'll now earn less than a nickel each day, I may never reach payout before shut-down. I know I won’t be the one smiling to the bank. 

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            bravewarriorposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

            Matt keeps telling us HP and Discover are not going to shut down. Have y'all heard something I haven't?

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      Matt Wellsposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

      HubPages is not shutting down. We are just moving away from the Network Site model.

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         viryaboposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

         Thank you Matt.
         That's good to know,

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   Miebakagh57posted 6 weeks ago

   In such scenario, who dare to publish a new article? HubPages has sold it's soul to the Devil!

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   littlethingposted 6 weeks ago

   Do our names stay on the articles? Also, if we pitch an article after the move, is it as though we are pitching as a first-time author to TAG or as an established author with them?

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      Shesabutterflyposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

      Yes. The articles left on the niche sites still have the author's name, profile picture, and HP bio attached to them.

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   Venkatachari Mposted 6 weeks ago

   Me too, requested for my stuff to be moved back to Discover.

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   carnyposted 6 weeks ago

   If I request a move from a niche site to Discover, will an automatic redirect from the old URL to the new one be implemented?
   
   This didn't happen with TurboFuture, so I lost all the Google traffic I was getting for those articles. There are some links pointing to the niche site too. If there are no redirects they're all lost.

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    ControlledChaos1posted 6 weeks ago

    I would be very careful about believing Hubpages being around for a long time to come. I know some want to believe it, and it may happen, but I like to look at actions over words. Everything being done seems to point to a sad outcome. I hope I'm wrong.

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    dredcuanposted 5 weeks ago

    Same, from 95 down to 72. Most of my contents came from Delishably.

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       Robert Sacchiposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       That may be par for the course.  I know everytime I post an article my score takes a hit.  They may be starting from a relatvely low initial score as they do with new posts.  I see you're up a point.

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    Nell Roseposted 4 weeks ago

    I haven't received an email saying they have moved our articles back. Has anyone else? I'd like to know if mine are safely back together there? thanks.

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       Kenna McHughposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       Neil, I think they sent me an email when I did it. However, you can check your filter and see as well. If it just shows Discover and Hubpages, then they moved them over.

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          bravewarriorposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          Ditto.

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          Nell Roseposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          Thank you

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             Kenna McHughposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

             Okay, Nell. I need better glasses.

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                Nell Roseposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                LOL! That's okay!

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    Nell Roseposted 4 weeks ago

    I have less readers now than ever! Only 200 a day. By the time I get paid I will be 80! lol! really gone down hill these days. I admit that I don't write on here very often these days, but I do promote my hubs. Never mind.

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       bravewarriorposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

       It's become more and more pointless, Nell.

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          Miebakagh57posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          Ditto.

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          Nell Roseposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          Definitely gone down hill hasn't it?

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             bravewarriorposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

             In a handbasket!

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                Nell Roseposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

                Not only a handbasket but a picnic hamper!

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    Carb Divaposted 3 weeks ago

    My daily reads were 800-900. Now it's down to just barely 100. Nell Rose, it's not a picnic hamper. It's a shopping cart.

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       Miebakagh57posted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

       It's a pity rather than laughing out loud!

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       Robert Sacchiposted 3 weeks agoin reply to this

       It seems the high hit getters are getting hurt.  Do you think they are more interested in small payouts than large audiences.

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    VirginiaLynneposted 2 weeks ago

    While my earnings have gone in half after having all my articles moved to HubPages, I'm delighted to see that the format is so clean and free from lots of ads.  I'm very pleased that people can read my content more easily and that it looks much more professional.

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    Carb Divaposted 2 weeks ago

    Abd now views are down to 50 per day. Doing the limbo. How low can it go? At this rate, I'll never get another payout in my lifetime.

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       Robert Sacchiposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

       Keep us posted.  Maybe your hits will pick up in time.

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       Miebakagh57posted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

       Same for all of us here?

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          bravewarriorposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

          Yep. This is a sinking ship, in my opinion.

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    theraggededgeposted 2 weeks ago

    Missed May's payout by 11 cents First time in donkey's years.

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       bravewarriorposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

       Damn, Bev! That sucks donkeys ears!

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    Rupert Taylorposted 2 weeks ago

    Seems to me that if Bev missed payout for April, then nobody made payout. I certainly didn't by a far wider margin than 11 cents.
    
    I wonder how this enterprise can keep limping along with no income unless, that is, they are skimming a whopping great percentage of earnings. Just a thought.

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       bravewarriorposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

       I won't make payout for another six months at the rate my pennies have been (not) adding up. My last payout was five months ago and I'm just shy of halfway to payout as of now.

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       chef-de-jourposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

       I wish to buck the trend! I have made payout for April and will hopefully continue to bottom feed for the next month or so. If the decline continues, which is highly likely, I'll delete all 450 articles and set sail for my own website.
       In poetic terms three titles spring to mind neatly summing up the last couple of years for a HP writer:
       
       Travelling Through the Dark....Stafford
       Since There's No Help....Drayton
       I felt a funeral, in my brain.....Dickinson

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          theraggededgeposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

          Oh, that's good news and offers hope to the rest of us.
          
          Mind you, it used to pay for the month's groceries and dog food. Now it barely covers the cost of a takeaway.

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    Linda S Grimesposted 2 weeks ago

    I am wondering for whom the recent change in strategy was made.  It certainly was not for us the writers.  Wondering also how it is working out for whomever it was made.

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       Miebakagh57posted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

       The change is made for  HUBPAGES alone.

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          Robert Sacchiposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

          Good question, but I doubt if HubPages would give a straight answer.

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             Miebakagh57posted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

             Exactly.

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    Carb Divaposted 6 days ago

    So, where is Delishably now? It's not showing up under the Arena group banner?

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       bravewarriorposted 6 days agoin reply to this

       The former niche sites are now Parade magazines. Here's the one for food:
       
       https://parade.com/food/

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       Shesabutterflyposted 6 days agoin reply to this

       Delishably along with the other niches mentioned in this post are where they have always been. The only difference is they removed the write for us button from Delishably & WeHaveKids. The other niches still have ones linking to HP. They have not changed the platforms yet, despite this post saying it would have been done already.
       
       Delishably and WeHaveKids have new content being posted to them.
       
       I'm assuming they are suppose to look like the new Dengarden/Pethelpful sites which have been changed to look like Parade's platform. The site/articles are the same, it's simply the earnings and eventually the platform(style) that changes.
       
       It's likely not posted to the Arena page yet, because most of them are still linked to HP and not fully switched over.

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